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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: bmx on 17 April 2007, 17:35
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does anyone know if the oettinger remap is vw warrantee freindly ?
also its £1000 :shocked: is that much extra really worth it?
what are you paying for ? nearly twice the price of everyone else
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No idea if it's worth it but I know they're very highly reputed. Also, safe to say that if your remap blows the turbo or buggers the engine VW won't be paying for it!
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awesome gti seem to think that it maybe a warrantee freindly remap. aproved by vw, cant see it myself :undecided:
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Does TT know about these guys as he has mentioned them before?
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Try and ask VW!
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the sales guy at awesome is trying to find out from vw at the moment. saying that if he didnt know for sure,and its taking some time to find out, then i would guess that the answer is no.
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The relatively high cost may have something to do with oettinger's new technology which allows different settings - It's all in the current (2nd) issue of "Performance Tuner" magazine in the feature about the oettinger Audi A3 Sportback.
Don't I 'know' you from somewhere? :wink:
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The relatively high cost may have something to do with oettinger's new technology which allows different settings - It's all in the current (2nd) issue of "Performance Tuner" magazine in the feature about the oettinger Audi A3 Sportback.
Don't I 'know' you from somewhere? :wink:
hey up RR :smiley:
havnt seen that mag before, i will have a look for it.
no word back from dean at awesome, so i think hes drawn a blank.
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Hey bmx! It's a good mag - Not 'max power/chavvy' but more focussed and realistic tuning with well written features and contributors....So far at least.
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Yep,
I've had both mags and they are a cut above the "max power" brigade. :wink:
1st issue had a good item on aftermarket tuned cars including the Morego GTI 250 conversion.
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Mind you I think that in this issue it compares the ED30 to the Renault Megane R32.
In the text it describes the ED30 as just a remap and an exhaust tweak! :sick: Also I think there was something wrong with the description of the suspension settings.
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hey up tagnut, we up for a meet soon? maybe hurdy too? and a few more maybe? :wink:
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DSG all the way mate - hold out for the R36 / RSI thingy :wink:
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RSI thingy?
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RSI thingy?
VW's name for the Golf R36.
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Short for Repetetive Strain Injury - for all the W"nking people will do when they've seen one :grin:
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awesome gti seem to think that it maybe a warrantee freindly remap. aproved by vw, cant see it myself :undecided:
Awesome GTI - a fecking insult to the hallowed "GTI" badge! :sick: Just think, while they are attempting to remap your finely engineered, German quality GTI, with a US originated APR map, which isn't enabled for homogenised fuel burn - in the very next bay in their workshop, they could be working on a true product of engineering excellence - that is - a KIA PRIDE - ffs!
EDIT: Oh dear, just looking at their web site. Selected Audi B6 A4 range, and they throw in a picture of a B5 RS4 - muppets!
I certainly doubt that Awesome would actually know, nor care if the VW warranty was still honoured, particularly as the APR chip is from the US, where completely different consumer regulations apply.
At least with Oettinger, you will be entitled to a 2-year pan european warranty, on both the actual parts supplied, the workmanship, and any knock-on effects their product may cause.
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its awesome that want to sell me an oettinger remap.
i am 50/50 as to go with aps or jbs now anyway
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its awesome that want to sell me an oettinger remap.
It's not Oettinger I have the problem with - it is the competency, and general dedication of Awesome!
If you are set on Oettinger, why don't you speak to the "engine driver, and not the oily rag" - RSD are the "official" UK importer and distributor - http://www.rsdcars-uk.co.uk/Oettinger.htm
i am 50/50 as to go with aps or jbs now anyway
Who are aps or jbs?
The only realistic VAG specialists would be REVO, Oettinger, MTM, and Abt. I personally wouldn't touch anyone else!
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Hi Sean,
I hope RSD are good as the remap alone is £1,175. I'm awaiting confirmation by e-mail on some questions I have before I commit to "extra's".
330bhp and 317lb ft in a car weighing less than 1400kg = 235bhp/ton(admittedly front wheel drive and not 4 like your lush little baby :drool:) +DSG launch control
V's
414bhp and 317lb ft in a car weighing around 1650kg = 251bhp/ton + 4WD
How's about a 1/4mile shootout at inters? :rolleyes:
If you accept I just hope its bl00dy dry :shocked:
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Who are aps or jbs?
http://www.autops.co.uk/ (http://www.autops.co.uk/)
http://www.jbsautodesigns.co.uk/conversions.htm (http://www.jbsautodesigns.co.uk/conversions.htm)
both companies doing great things with VAG cars
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Who are aps or jbs?
http://www.autops.co.uk/ (http://www.autops.co.uk/)
http://www.jbsautodesigns.co.uk/conversions.htm (http://www.jbsautodesigns.co.uk/conversions.htm)
both companies doing great things with VAG cars
JBS refer to the mark 5 golf as a 1.8T!!
Hang on, maybe they put a 1.8t in a Mark 5. odd??
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Who are aps or jbs?
http://www.autops.co.uk/ (http://www.autops.co.uk/)
http://www.jbsautodesigns.co.uk/conversions.htm (http://www.jbsautodesigns.co.uk/conversions.htm)
both companies doing great things with VAG cars
JBS refer to the mark 5 golf as a 1.8T!!
the black one is a 1.8t golf
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Hi Sean,
I hope RSD are good as the remap alone is £1,175. I'm awaiting confirmation by e-mail on some questions I have before I commit to "extra's".
Well, it is the products they use. RSD do seem to have a good reputation though, and I think that merely stems from using tried and tested VAG specific products. I just hope they don't have a "bad day", when you let them tinker with yours! :wink:
330bhp and 317lb ft in a car weighing less than 1400kg = 235bhp/ton(admittedly front wheel drive and not 4 like your lush little baby :drool:) +DSG launch control
You'll never get all those horses to grip from rest, unless you get a transmission modified map too!!! :shocked:
V's
414bhp and 317lb ft in a car weighing around 1650kg = 251bhp/ton + 4WD
How's about a 1/4mile shootout at inters? :rolleyes:
Nah, anyone can get a car to go fast in a straight line (with enough practice) - it's the twisties which interest me!
If you accept I just hope its bl00dy dry :shocked:
Wuss, I'll just start praying to the rain gods!!! :grin: :grin:
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Who are aps or jbs?
http://www.autops.co.uk/ (http://www.autops.co.uk/)
http://www.jbsautodesigns.co.uk/conversions.htm (http://www.jbsautodesigns.co.uk/conversions.htm)
both companies doing great things with VAG cars
Where is their "history" - fcuk all !!!
Of AutoPS - who the heck are PCM Tuning, or Gary Hamilton ??? What kind of "back-up" do these offer?
And JBS - they don't even mention the 2.0T FSI, or the Bosch MED9 . . . .
You've certainly found a pair of "wannabees" there!
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Who are aps or jbs?
http://www.autops.co.uk/ (http://www.autops.co.uk/)
http://www.jbsautodesigns.co.uk/conversions.htm (http://www.jbsautodesigns.co.uk/conversions.htm)
both companies doing great things with VAG cars
JBS refer to the mark 5 golf as a 1.8T!!
Hang on, maybe they put a 1.8t in a Mark 5. odd??
Worrying . . . an old skool engine into a Mk5 !!! :shocked: :sick:
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i think the guys at aps are the former members of amd, ie ed and the guy that writes the software. and jbs have done loads of conversions , engine swaps and big turbo upgrades, famous for there skoda gt28rs turbo's. cant beleive you guys havnt heard of them. check out a few golf mags. and both are in the new tuner mag iirc
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i think the guys at aps are the former members of amd, ie ed and the guy that writes the software.
At least two things smack me with a wet fish regarding that sentance:
AMD - American (no homogenised injection, so not suitable for European ECUs)
Former members - hmm, pushed or walked? Whilst I personally don't rate AMD, over the pond, they are extremely highly rated!
The guy that writes the software - get real, it takes teams of many to do this kind of stuff!
and jbs have done loads of conversions , engine swaps and big turbo upgrades, famous for there skoda gt28rs turbo's. cant beleive you guys havnt heard of them. check out a few golf mags. and both are in the new tuner mag iirc
But I'll say it again - these have no experience of either the FSI turbo engine, nor the Bosch MED9.
I really can't get my head around why you are even considering these two!
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AMD are a long established UK based VAG, and now Porsche & BMW business - no connection with the USA
http://www.amdtechnik.com/about.cfm
They have since been bought out by BigBoysToys and Mega4
http://www.amdtechnik.com/news.read.cfm?articleid=35
I don't know much about APS and JBS so I can't comment on their skills or quality.
Also, as I understood it, the GTI 2.0 TFSI engine has never operated with a stratified mode, either here or in the USA (correct me if I'm wrong) - I understood it operates under a permanent "homogenised" directly injected air/fuel mix, rather than a variable "stratified/homogenised" directly injected mix..so why would an American tuner be at a disadvantage to a European tuner, other than ensuring that the generally lower fuel quality over in North America is taken into account when building a map???
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Actually many of the the most complex pieces of software are written by one "guy". There are some problems you simply can't subdivide.
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APS have done some excellent work on modifying the Mk5 R32 by all accounts and they are also very customer service orientated. But being new, perhaps they need to be particularly 'friendly'. Personally I'm not impressed by Superchips' history, who APS seems to use. Also, AmD doesn't impress in recent years either. As for BigBoysToys, it's sell, sell, sell....Whether you need it or not.
Just my opinion, but I have far more trust in Revo and oettinger as offering well written codes which are fully tested and are stable.
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APS have done some excellent work on modifying the Mk5 R32 by all accounts and they are also very customer service orientated. But being new, perhaps they need to be particularly 'friendly'. Personally I'm not impressed by Superchips' history, who APS seems to use. Also, AmD doesn't impress in recent years either. As for BigBoysToys, it's sell, sell, sell....Whether you need it or not.
Just my opinion, but I have far more trust in Revo and oettinger as offering well written codes which are fully tested and are stable.
who would you recomend for revo ?
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who would you recomend for revo ?
....Just my opinion but I have no hesitation in recommending Jim of JKM, Portsmouth. A small family business of genuine car enthusiasts who truly care. Revo themselves rate them highly as well - Describing them as their ideal agents. Not the nearest Revo dealer to where I live, but the ones I trust the most.
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who would you recomend for revo ?
....Just my opinion but I have no hesitation in recommending Jim of JKM, Portsmouth. A small family business of genuine car enthusiasts who truly care. Revo themselves rate them highly as well - Describing them as their ideal agents. Not the nearest Revo dealer to where I live, but the ones I trust the most.
ok cheers RR , just called revo main office in northampton. they say that they are going to be 3 to 4 weeks before they have a map for the ed30 :cry:
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DONT TRUST ANYTHING FROM PORTSMOUTH! :angry: sh!t HOLE!
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DONT TRUST ANYTHING FROM PORTSMOUTH! :angry: sh!t HOLE!
whats your problem? :rolleyes:
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its a hampshire thing BMX , them and us dont get on! :wink:, southampton and Portsmouth
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ah ok :wink:
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AMD are a long established UK based VAG, and now Porsche & BMW business - no connection with the USA
http://www.amdtechnik.com/about.cfm
Bolloc&s - my mistake, sorry. I was getting them confused with APR - a senior moment! :huh:
They have since been bought out by BigBoysToys and Mega4
http://www.amdtechnik.com/news.read.cfm?articleid=35
Now that is bad. BigBoysToys are - well - like extended warrantys are to Dixons Stores Group (Dixons, Currys, PC World). They have a pretty poor reputation, especially with "hard selling". I just hope they don't drag AMD down. Do I take it that Mega4 are also part of BBT ?
I don't know much about APS and JBS so I can't comment on their skills or quality.
But it is their lack of feedback, either positive or negative, which should ring alarm bells. Afterall, the VAG 20VT has been around for a long time, and many many companies have good success with that, so why no feedback on the 20VT ??? :undecided:
Also, as I understood it, the GTI 2.0 TFSI engine has never operated with a stratified mode, either here or in the USA (correct me if I'm wrong) - I understood it operates under a permanent "homogenised" directly injected air/fuel mix, rather than a variable "stratified/homogenised" directly injected mix..so why would an American tuner be at a disadvantage to a European tuner, other than ensuring that the generally lower fuel quality over in North America is taken into account when building a map???
Wrong. All FSI engines, turbo or n/a, in the EU markets, operate in both homogenised AND stratified modes. In the US/Canada markets, the stratified mode is ECU disabled (due to their lack of ultra low sulphur petrols). If the stratified mode is not visible on their map, then how can they "re-map" it, and satisfy European mapping modes?
Also, don't forget, there are many different "operations" which can be altered on a re-map. Those include turbo boost, turbo venting, fuel volume, fuel pressure, fuel pulse (multi pulsing), ignition timing (standard advance and retard, and octane upper threshold increase), variable intake manifold, variable inlet cam timing, WOT air-con disable, electronic coolant pump - and I'm sure I've missed some more.
Many of the "lesser" chip tuners simply increase turbo boost, and little else!
On the GTI, you are dealing with the Bosch MED9, and not the older, easier to crack Bosch ME systems.
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Who are aps or jbs?
Where is their "history" - fcuk all !!!
Of AutoPS - who the heck are PCM Tuning, or Gary Hamilton ??? What kind of "back-up" do these offer?
And JBS - they don't even mention the 2.0T FSI, or the Bosch MED9 . . . .
You've certainly found a pair of "wannabees" there!
Love this attitude. So to be anybody you need to have been around since time itself began? Just picturing you there when the mk1 GTI was being 'invented'..... :grin:
Damn those BBT's chaps and winning the VW Cup!
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one guys opinion....... it dont mean alot :grin:
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APS have done some excellent work on modifying the Mk5 R32
But to be frank, the VR6 is a relatively old engine design, without the much more complex MED9, and its' associated enhanced systems.
by all accounts and they are also very customer service orientated. But being new, perhaps they need to be particularly 'friendly'.
Well, it's good that they are customer "focussed". But, because they are new, and lack experience or technical know-how with the MED9, then that customer service could actually be without any "substance" - not good when things go Pete Tong. :wink:
Personally I'm not impressed by Superchips' history, who APS seems to use.
Thank-you !!!! I've been bashing on here about how crap Superchips are, but have been getting a hard time over my stance!
Also, AmD doesn't impress in recent years either.
Ohh - perhaps it was their "drop-off" which attracted them to BBT. :undecided:
As for BigBoysToys, it's sell, sell, sell....Whether you need it or not.
Agreed.
Just my opinion, but I have far more trust in Revo and oettinger as offering well written codes which are fully tested and are stable.
Exactly - again, just what I've been stating! :smiley:
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Who are aps or jbs?
Where is their "history" - fcuk all !!!
Of AutoPS - who the heck are PCM Tuning, or Gary Hamilton ??? What kind of "back-up" do these offer?
And JBS - they don't even mention the 2.0T FSI, or the Bosch MED9 . . . .
You've certainly found a pair of "wannabees" there!
So to be anybody you need to have been around since time itself began? Just picturing you there when the mk1 GTI was being 'invented'..... :grin:
Not at all!
And being as you brought in the Mk1, thirty years ago, engines were considerably easier to "tune". There was a group of companies which had specialised in unique areas, relying on years of R&D and engineering excellence, and were nigh-on guaranteed to give results. From one extreme, like Cosworth who would completely rebuild an engine, from blueprint specs, to the bolt-on component suppliers, such as Kent cams, Janspeed exhausts, Webber or Delorto carbs.
But, we were specifically talking about the Mk5 GTI FSI engine - a completely different beast to those engines of 30 years ago, and with very different demands from the "tuner".
Damn those BBT's chaps and winning the VW Cup!
Ahh, but the VW Cup is a controlled series, with the cars effectively being equal. It is more down to driver ability, rather than the actual car. :wink: :smiley:
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one guys opinion....... it dont mean alot :grin:
But it isn't just my opinion !!! There seems to be others who agree. :smiley:
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Damn those BBT's chaps and winning the VW Cup!
....Just because (for example) a Superchips tuned car beats a Revo tuned car, doesn't mean that the Superchips product is superior to the Revo product (for example). There is much more to a full-on track car than the ECU, including the driver!
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Wrong. All FSI engines, turbo or n/a, in the EU markets, operate in both homogenised AND stratified modes. In the US/Canada markets, the stratified mode is ECU disabled (due to their lack of ultra low sulphur petrols). If the stratified mode is not visible on their map, then how can they "re-map" it, and satisfy European mapping modes?
ah, my mistake then...I got my info (for the Edition 30 at least) straight from VW technical...ErWin Online
Edition 30 seems to do without stratified mode completely
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/phope1/DSC01539Medium.jpg)
*apologies...copy protection on the file means you can't screen dump it or transfer it from machine to machine*
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Damn those BBT's chaps and winning the VW Cup!
....Just because (for example) a Superchips tuned car beats a Revo tuned car, doesn't mean that the Superchips product is superior to the Revo product (for example). There is much more to a full-on track car than the ECU, including the driver!
Exactly my sentiments too, RR.
I suppose those same people also happen to think that because Michael Shumacher had Marlboro painted on his 2006 Ferrari F1 tool, then he also smoked 40 Marlboro (Lights, because Shumy was a fitness freak) ciggys every race! :evil: :evil:
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Wrong. All FSI engines, turbo or n/a, in the EU markets, operate in both homogenised AND stratified modes. In the US/Canada markets, the stratified mode is ECU disabled (due to their lack of ultra low sulphur petrols). If the stratified mode is not visible on their map, then how can they "re-map" it, and satisfy European mapping modes?
ah, my mistake then...I got my info (for the Edition 30 at least) straight from VW technical...ErWin Online
Edition 30 seems to do without stratified mode completely
That screen shot makes no mention of specifically excluding the stratified mode! :undecided:
Incidentally, when the FSI was initially launched (for the European markets), it specifcally stated that the FSI would provide increased power (due to the more efficient cylinder direct injection) AND economy (due to the stratified, or lean burn mode). There was a clear disclaimer that the stratified mode would NOT be enabled for the North American markets, down to their crap quality fuels. To back this up, on the standard 200PS GTI engine, the European ones have different engine codes to the North American ones.
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....Interesting. I didn't know about the European and American engine differences - Does this mean that what a tuner creates for an American Mk5 GTI isn't necessarily good for a European one, and vica versa ?
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....Interesting. I didn't know about the European and American engine differences
I'm surprised - I thought it was common knowledge!
Does this mean that what a tuner creates for an American Mk5 GTI isn't necessarily good for a European one, and vica versa ?
Yup, egzakerley. All the hard work that Wolfsburg did to create the "economy" part of the ECU map will be completely wiped, should you have an American based chip code. Additionally, the US/Cdn engines have much more stringent emmissions regs, with particlular regard to crankcase ventilation, and fuel tank venting. There are many differences between EU and North American emmissions control systems, which are all "driven" by the engine ECU. :nerd:
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So, on the basis of that important information I would hope that APR's remap is suitable for the UK cars and consequently is different for APR in America. Likewise GIAC.
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emailed revo, they said i had to contact my nearest dealer and maybe have my ecu read. so called the revo main office in northampton, the guy said they are taking an edition 30 over to the states to work on a remap, and would be 3 to 4 weeks before they would have the map. does that sound right??? :undecided: :undecided:
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So, on the basis of that important information I would hope that APR's remap is suitable for the UK cars and consequently is different for APR in America. Likewise GIAC.
I can't comment on the GIAC, but when I questioned the APR suppliers on that very issue, I never got a satisfactory answer!
So I doubt that there will be a specific UK map, and a specific US map - which is why I recommend peeps in the UK/EU to avoid the US orginated chip-tuners.
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went with the superchips bluefin in the end, absolutely stunning performance. power delivery is spot on. god its fast now :grin:
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Hi bmx,
I'd love to know what Diverter Valve VW had used on your Ed30 and I imagine that you would be concerned because of the boost levels you're GTI is now running.
Cheers and Safe Journeys,
Robin
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went with the superchips bluefin in the end, absolutely stunning performance. power delivery is spot on. god its fast now :grin:
Enjoy! I've been out in mine most of the day today, even more addictive with the bluefin!! :laugh: By the way, how many miles you put on yours before installing bluefin BMX?
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went with the superchips bluefin in the end, absolutely stunning performance. power delivery is spot on. god its fast now :grin:
Enjoy! I've been out in mine most of the day today, even more addictive with the bluefin!! :laugh: By the way, how many miles you put on yours before installing bluefin BMX?
mines done 2000 miles still gonna go steady with her for a couple more thousand though. with occaisional blast now and then :evil:
when i went for a blast yesterday i was amazed how quiick it got to 100mph, and whenever i looked at the speedo it was always around that mark. but didnt feel like it should have got there so soon, if you know what i mean :shocked: kind of reminded me me of my motorbiking days
gonna fill up with some propper fuel today and see what shes like then, been using bp ultimate and not shell, so hopefully slightly better :smug:
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mines done 2000 miles still gonna go steady with her for a couple more thousand though. with occaisional blast now and then :evil:
when i went for a blast yesterday i was amazed how quiick it got to 100mph, and whenever i looked at the speedo it was always around that mark. but didnt feel like it should have got there so soon, if you know what i mean :shocked: kind of reminded me me of my motorbiking days
gonna fill up with some propper fuel today and see what shes like then, been using bp ultimate and not shell, so hopefully slightly better :smug:
....You can start to 'open her up' from 1,000 miles if you want. VW engines are well known for loosening up over time - You may feel subtle differences at around 5 and 10,000 miles. Bear in mind that 100 mph on your speedo will be less in reality and also watch that 100 threshold re license losing. It's a bummer I know but even 94 could land you with a court summons.
I found a slight difference between BP Ultimate and Sheel Optimax (now V-Power) best described as 'an edge' but not everyone else has thought this. It's Shell's additives which promote longevity which I find very attractive.
Safe Journeys
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Can anyone tell me if there'd be any issues having an E30 with DSG remapped?
James
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See below on UKMKIV's thread - Last few posts from Dave Rogers :smiley:
http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/2/879577/ShowThread.aspx#879577
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See below on UKMKIV's thread - Last few posts from Dave Rogers :smiley:
http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/2/879577/ShowThread.aspx#879577
Cheers for that. :smiley:
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So the Bluefin/Superchips remap obviously works with the DSG version of the Ed30, but if the DSG box is the same as in the 'normal' Mk5 GTI it should be limited to about 300 ft lb or else you could kiss goodbye to durability/clutches.
Can anyone confirm the torque on a DSG Superchipped Ed30 ?
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Well on their site, the remap for the manual Edition 30 results in peak torque of 391Nm (288lb-ft).
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RedRobin,
Don't you remember Illyun's post about DSG tuning limits on a previous thread below.
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=58397.0
It mentioned the ability of the DSG to handle higher limits. I haven't yet seen anyone in the UK who "re-tune" the DSG box, but with a bit of luck who knows :wink:
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Hi Hurdy,
Yes I remember that thread and post now. But I still wondered if the Ed30 DSG box had been 'modified' by VW - It seems not, and the post you refer to suggests that the DSG setup is far more capable than people realise.
Thanks :smiley:
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what a funny, and interesting thread with some "strange" opinions/views.
Hmmm
:rolleyes:
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what a funny, and interesting thread with some "strange" opinions/views.
Hmmm
:rolleyes:
...."Strange" opinions/views, but not from strangers, chungster :wink:
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See below on UKMKIV's thread - Last few posts from Dave Rogers :smiley:
http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/2/879577/ShowThread.aspx#879577
Hmmmm, if anyone thinks that is good service, then I hate to think just how low you need to go for it to be classed as crap service!!! No wonder this country has gone to the dogs! :rolleyes:
I say again - it seems blatantly clear to me that the Superchips product is CLEARLY UNDERDEVELOPED. Superchips are using paying customers as beta testers. OK, there was the odd occurance on an earlier thread, when someone had probs, they let him have it for free - but I doubt had he not have made such a noise on public forums, then it would have been a different story. I said it before, Superchips had problems remapping the much earlier Bosch "ME" ECUs, and it would still seem that they are still out of their depths with the Bosch "MED"s.
The ONLY reason why they are able to offer increased performance on the 2 litre FSI turbo engine is . . . . gentlemen - I give you more turbo boost. Much more turbo boost! There is no evidence, from examining their dyno curves, and also listening to testimonies from other users that they have done any else.
One final point, what "quality" accreditation does Superchips have? Answer - none! Oettinger products have TüV accreditation - and I doubt few would question the robustness and status of TüV approvals!