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General => Site news and bright ideas => Topic started by: Mr Blue on 27 March 2007, 21:05
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hi
possible to have a breakers section.
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I think this might be a good idea. Breaker must post location though!
It's a good way to avoid 'scene' tax buying bits off a car being broken.
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sub-forum in the classifieds maybe, can always delete it if it doesnt get used. will have a word with the bossman.
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Thanks Topher
I miss out on parts because the ''breaking golf...'' gets jumbled up in the for sale adds.
Also a certain vw breaker on here wont give me a contact number or location. :rolleyes:
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:grin: good idea! might work well alongside wanted section!
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Ah you do know now it is now illegal to break a car for profit i.e. a car bought solely for parts or a car you haven’t owned for 6 months, with out a ELV (end of life Vehicle) licences or an exemption certificate.
We are in the process of these hence our ebay actuivity is greatly reduced atm and we are selling everyday cars, clios tigra's even rovers and fords!
The environment agency is watching eBay and there are going to be a lot of changes
but basically shortly only parts for our beloved VW's will come from licensed scrap yards
a few of the rules are
before any part is removed from a car to be dismantled it must be decontaminated even if the car has valid tax and MOT!
if a car is collected taken to be decontaminated, when it is collected you must have a waste carrying licences and this is before parts have even been removed!
you must have documented proof of disposal of all waste for batteries tyres (£2.20 each to get rid of them!) even washer fluid is hazardous waste??
breaking of these laws can lead to £50,000.00 fine and or 12 months imprisonment.
The current government hates old cars they are supposedly the biggest cause of pollution, lol more like an easy target.
so please if you are breaking cars be very very careful as ebay is being monitored as this is the biggest source of illegally broken cars.
a clamp down is going to happen sooner or later and the already approved ELV Breakers are the ones reporting the ones with out.
Even though an elv breaker can apply for the contract with the council to remove unwanted cars or abandoned cars for scrap.
so you guessed it your taxes are paid to the breaker to remove a car they can sell on in parts or for the scrap metal value alone!
don’t you just love the nanny state we live in!
So yes a breaking section would be a good idea but if condonned by ther forum could you be liable for providing a forum for people to knowingly or unknowingly break the law I would check your position as I know Ebay are at present.
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Sounds like a nightmare, gonna make parts for older vehicles even harder to come by.
Just out of interest Robin, is this likely to affect the autojumble side of VW shows???
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surely those kinda of regulations will only exist for people doin it for a living , not people just doing it for a few extra quid and to get rid of a car they need shifting
flaming goverment persicuiting car enthusiasts once again
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No as parts are removed from cars allready, but as time goes on it will be less and less as the new stock ie cars to break will only be delt with by ELV breakers and alot value an old VW as scrap and crush them straight away rather than taking up valuable space in there specially treated yard, (forgot to mention must be treated hard standing with filtering for rain water)
so long run parts will be harder to source and cost alot more plus the dreaded VAT we currently use global accounting so our vat is included in the price quoted
luckily we still have a huge workshop full of stuff and being a fan its the boxes of clips and trim we have carefully removed that will keep the older VW's going
but stuff like three dooor 90 spec side trim is getting rarer by the day
single pin clocks especially metometre
so may advice is if your scrapping a MK2 gut it of anything useful first as these parts in the future will be a god send to fellow and future forum users
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to be blunt stu a few extra quid in the goverments eyes is income ie profit ie business
this should be declared and tax and national insurance paid on it
The only exception is if you paid for the car used it as a car ie tax and MOT and you then choose to remove parts from it to recover your costs
example
paid £1000 a yr ago for your car drove it for a yr now the engine has say seized so rather than fix it you can break it as a private person and all is fine if the value of the parts sold doesnt exceed the purchase price of the car.
however enviroment laws still apply so say you are caught draining the oil directly into the ground you can expect a hefty fine plus costs to clean up the contaminated land.
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I never knew about this. :shocked: It sounds like a nightmare. Some car parts are going to rocket in price now and there could also be a rise in car related crime as people pinch some of the rarer stuff of other people's cars. :angry: I know this does happen, but there will be a lot more rare parts that people are after, if you see what I mean.
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to name a few...
bbs centre caps, side trims etc going to have to get them all micro dotted
but your right parts will go up
and up
and up
although from speaking to ebay re breaking cars they are looking at only allowing people with an ELV licence to sell used parts on ebay, which should limit the appeal of the low life scum nicking bits from peoples cars
and that might stop the huge amount of you are bidding for a wheel nut rubbish on ebay aswell, number of our customers who say they fall for this and go out of ebay and the parts they get arnt worth scrap and no come back at all
after all how many sets of bbs centre caps are listed on ebay as it is now!
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what a load of wank that is, if the government can think of anything else to make life more difficult then they will do it wont they!
well at least the only car I may be breaking has been in my possesion for nearly 2 years and was actually used as my car. but if thats the case with parts becoming rarer then i might completely gut it out and then keep bits that may come in handy one day, binnacles etc.
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Neaty yes couldnt agree more, we will be liecenced soon and back on all 6 cylinders.
and being a forumite try to keep prices fair for you guys apart from stuff we know is in high demand leather splitz etc
yes if you have a car you have owned for two years you can gut it and nothing big brother goverment can do about it so long as you dispose of the waste in the correct fashion
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Neaty yes couldnt agree more, we will be liecenced soon and back on all 6 cylinders.
and being a forumite try to keep prices fair for you guys apart from stuff we know is in high demand leather splitz etc
yes if you have a car you have owned for two years you can gut it and nothing big brother goverment can do about it so long as you dispose of the waste in the correct fashion
cool well I will keep you guys in mind for any parts i may need. Is it just a case of the government trying new ways to get more and more old cars off the road, making spare parts more and more expensive and hard to come by?
yea there is a scrappy near by that i used to weigh in my scirocco and my mate weighed in his golf too.
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Bloody ell :rolleyes:
This law stuff is taking the piss
The local gippo will take the shell for free :laugh:
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yes but the gypo dont give you a rcot for it and if anything from the car they take from you is found disgarded in say a field your the one they fine as you didnt get an authorised waste carrier to remove the car for you they are F@ckers
Neaty did the right thing and used a proper scrap yard
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Rob this is interesting.
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you will be treated as a trader as you havnt owned the car for long enough and you are breaking for profit so be careful would be my advice as if you are caught you will face big problems, undeclared earnings, this can be back dated and with the forum as a trail easy to prove,
breach of enviroment laws as to the breaking of cars you must have a ELV licence or and exemption certificate and be able to prove that the cars you have in to break have allready been depolouted by a registared agent and you will be required to hold documented proof of this. then you need a waste carriers licence to take it to your premises and then you can dismantle the car inside a workshop but you can not store the car outside unless the gound has been treated even if its concrete allready.
then you need the shelll or whats left to be removed from a waste carrier again you will need to hold documented proof of this and then you get the destruction certificate for the car.
oh and of course you must be able to show documented proof of the disposal of oil. antifreeze, tyres batteries etc