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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: Ollieb7 on 23 March 2007, 20:24
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Well IMO at least.
I mentioned it in another thread and now that i have had more time to experience the 'outer edges of the envelope' i have come to the conclusion that it does need stiffening up a bit.
I think what VW has produced is a car for every man - now as much as i'd like to grace myself as not the average joe :wink: i do like to have a car that gives good feedback. The probelm (hence the post to see if others think the same) is as you enter the corner the car does have a certain amont of roll before the suspesion takes the load and the car 'hunkers' down through the corner. This is fine through maybe one corner but take a couple of left / right corners in quick sucsession and the cars weight is deffo felt by the slight unsettleing motion before the 'hunker'. Now back to the every man bit .. this is obvously designed 'in' to make sure the car rides well (for comfort) hence the loss of cornering performance - but i have bought a GTI!!! Added to this the car has such fantasic composure on the straight that it is well and truely in the licence loosing bracket - this car really shifts but doesn't feel it until the big numbers (on a track of course!) as it is soooooo smooth.
Im obviously on the look out for the magical -20mm drop (for austhetic reasons) but having farted around with cars before i'm well aware that you can mess things up - so not only am i writing to see if im i a bit harder than you soft lot, i'm also appealing that you spend your money and make your mistakes before i do! :wink: :wink:
Any opinions welcome!
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as i posted in your other thread , i would recomend eibach pro kit springs very oem ride lowered 20 mm
and then h&r anti roll bars 28mm/24mm ones
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Still running her in at the moment, so I haven't got that far in the "performance envelope".
Mind you compared to my MKiv its like chalk & cheese. :smiley: Corner>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ROLL.
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Still running her in at the moment, so I haven't got that far in the "performance envelope".
Mind you compared to my MKiv its like chalk & cheese. :smiley: Cornrer>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ROLL.
Agree the mkiv was appaling!
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as i posted in your other thread , i would recomend eibach pro kit springs very oem ride lowered 20 mm
and then h&r anti roll bars 28mm/24mm ones
Thanks bmx although i dont know where you got the -20mm from as i was tolde 10 to 15mm from eibach. You wouldn't think it but all the difference between a good stance and chav can all be within 5mm!
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OK, back to basics.
Ollie, I can't exactly work out what specific area of the handling which is of concern to you? You mention the need for "stiffening", and "lowering" - yet your only concern, from your post, would seem to be body roll on turn in! What about "mid-corner" poise - is that OK? From your "hunkering down", I would actually deduce that it is OK.
The way I read it, if it is only the roll on initial turn in, then uprated anti roll bars would be the most appropriate remedy. This would not affect the comfort, nor the "speed-bump to front splitter interface", which stiffer and/or lower springs would. You are rightly cautious about lowering - as this can upset the geometry/wheel alignment. It shouldn't be too much of an issue on the front, as it has the McPherson struts, which are reasonably tollerant of lowering. However, the rear has fully independent multi-link suspension, and that type of arrangement does not like being lowered, as it will bu&&er up the geometry.
Give us more detail to your concerns.
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I think those be wise words of Sean. I would be worried about lowering the car - it is already 15mm down on the standard golf range and there are too many spped bumps round my way for a rock hard ride.
The GTi is supposed to be a compromise between every day car and sports car, and I think it achieves this. If you want it to handle like it's on rails then a 4 seater 1.3 ton VW prob wasn't the best choice.
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I think those be wise words of Sean. I would be worried about lowering the car - it is already 15mm down on the standard golf range and there are too many spped bumps round my way for a rock hard ride.
The GTi is supposed to be a compromise between every day car and sports car, and I think it achieves this. If you want it to handle like it's on rails then a 4 seater 1.3 ton VW prob wasn't the best choice.
Wise words indeed. I don't know where this -15mm from a normal GTI comes from apart from Autocars duff assessment - as far as i was aware the suspension height was the same as a GTI.
My previous old mans heavy weight but stiff BMW 330D M sport handled great and had none of the characteristics that i'm talkin about and neither should a 'GTI' imo. Although i totally agree the Golf is the 'perfect' compromise - i knew that before i bought the car (hence i didn't go for the sharp handeling, poorely built, massive depreciation R26 Megane)- but i do think there is room and very good potential for the Golf to be just a bit sharper.
Tha car does have roll - a 'very' approx 2" before the mid corner composuer which, granted is very composed. The roll it's self is not the problem its the way the car handles it's weight (odd timing and spounge like in feedback) during the roll that is slightly unsettling, and as i've mentioed string a few opposite corners together..... This is difficult to mention in words as it is what you feel and they are small increments.
For ref i raced my Caterham in hillclimbs for a few seasons so i'm well aware of how to set up a cars balance and my wifes 182 (sharp to the point of being twitchy but great) has none of these characteristics
The uprated anti roll bars sound a good compromise although i havn't ruled out the 10 - 15mm eibach lowering springs with the correct geometry set up - what type and experince have you got T.T on a MKV Golf especially with the former?
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SOFT!!!!....SOFT!!!! :shocked:
I suppose it depends on your perspective and how far you want to push your car.
If I'd just got out of a Caterham...then yes it would feel verrrryyy soft :laugh:
If I'd just got out of my wifes 1.2 Punto (don't laugh!) then it would feel like the best handling car in the world :grin:
For everyday usage on the road I wouldn't alter the suspension. If I were thinking about doing track days then maybe I would.
IMO Golf suspension has been set just right, all you have to do is look at the reviews of dozens of journo's (many of whom have motorsport backgrounds) and the positive responses of how the car handles.
wantmygti sums it up perfectly:-
If you want it to handle like it's on rails then a 4 seater 1.3 ton VW prob wasn't the best choice.
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I agree with Hurdy. Compared to my current MkIV GTI, the MkV GTI/Ed30/R32 handles like a dream. But compared to the 911 I had a couple of years ago, yes the MkV is a bit soft. Its all about perspective!
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Hully / Hurdy - sorry to poo poo you'z - but wait till you get the car and then coment as at the moment your just hypothesising - if you read the inital post it was to see if current owners had experienced the same. I would be interested in your comments once you get into the full swing with your cars.
On the subject of weight - a weighty car can still be made to handle - do you know how much weight new, lambos, 911's etc are these days! Talking of the latter i once had a 993 C2 and it too was soft - all depends what version you get - i wouldn't imagine a 964RS would be soft!
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Hully / Hurdy - sorry to poo poo you'z - but wait till you get the car and then coment as at the moment your just hypothesising - if you read the inital post it was to see if current owners had experienced the same. I would be interested in your comments once you get into the full swing with your cars.
On the subject of weight - a weighty car can still be made to handle - do you know how much weight new, lambos, 911's etc are these days! Talking of the latter i once had a 993 C2 and it too was soft - all depends what version you get - i wouldn't imagine a 964RS would be soft!
Ollieb7, I agree partly with what you are saying :wink: and yes I haven't got the Ed30 yet. However, I have driven the Mk5 Gti some 500 miles and also the Ed30 250 miles or so, and therefore feel able to comment. As I previously said, its just my opinion and having used to be in the car business I have driven a large number of different vehicles, each with their own merit. The 996 I had was certainly harder riding than the Ed30 and perhaps, again very subjective, a little more fun on the limit. However, I also drove a 996 Turbo with factory mods and that made the 996 C2 seem soft in comparison. IMO as I've already said, its about perspective and considering the Golf will be used by myself everyday, I feel it meets the best of both worlds. Its a 100% better round the twisty stuff than my current Mk4 Gti. :grin:
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Ollie, i have read quite a few of your posts and they are usually a good read and make sense but have to say this one is a bit poor by your standards.
First of all the title. OK maybe it was to grab peoples attention but saying "its official that the GTi and R32 are soft" is rubbish. As people are stating, soft compared to what?!?
I must agree that when on the edge my Ed30 can be a little imbalanced but compromise between handling and comfort is spot on for what i want. Dropping the car 20mm may improving handling that little bit more but is it worth all the extra hassle it brings? If you believe the answer is yes then go for it, or like someone else mentioned, if you want a track day car.
Talking of track GTi's check out this thread on vortex.
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3128905&page=1
Not having a go Ollie just think you comments are a little rash in this case.
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First of all the title. OK maybe it was to grab peoples attention but saying "its official that the GTi and R32 are soft" is rubbish. As people are stating, soft compared to what?!?
Yep blatantly having fun -hands up i admit it - but i'm looking for as much comment as i can get to find the best solution - if it exists - Please note i am not by a long shot saying the ED 30 is crap - i will say though (sticking my neck out here) that the 25th ed was well crap in the handeling dept
Soft - Try a Clio 182 - rides well, handles brill. The bigger R26 was also the same - but the other merits of the Golf does without a doubt well out weigh the poor build of the others - thats why i bought it.
I must agree that when on the edge my Ed30 can be a little imbalanced but compromise between handling and comfort is spot on for what i want.
Finally someone who knows what i'm talking about - so its not just my car - maybe its me, i don't mind quite a hard ride for feed back - thats my preference.
Not having a go Ollie just think you comments are a little rash in this case.
Why is this rash when all i'm doing is pointing out that the ED. 30 does have a little imballance and all i'm doing is seeking options of how to tweek it - and tweek it with out ruining the ride - difficult i know - but i have experience and the two can co-exist!
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I appreciate what your saying Ollieb7, I think people, myself included, get a little defensive when the Golf is given a bit of stick. :wink: One things for sure, your headline certainly got attention! :grin: Wish I could help on the suspension set up but I have little or no experiance in this area. :embarassed:
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I think those be wise words of Sean. I would be worried about lowering the car - it is already 15mm down on the standard golf range and there are too many spped bumps round my way for a rock hard ride.
The GTi is supposed to be a compromise between every day car and sports car, and I think it achieves this. If you want it to handle like it's on rails then a 4 seater 1.3 ton VW prob wasn't the best choice.
Wise words indeed. I don't know where this -15mm from a normal GTI comes from apart from Autocars duff assessment - as far as i was aware the suspension height was the same as a GTI.
OK, just to confirm the "official" VW suspension figures. The GTI and Ed30 are 15mm lower than the rest of the Golf V range, and the .:R32 is a further 5mm, at 20mm lower (probably due to its' extra lard - I mean weight! :evil: )
My previous old mans heavy weight but stiff BMW 330D M sport handled great and had none of the characteristics that i'm talkin about and neither should a 'GTI' imo.
Yes, but you missed the crucial point. Park the GTI alongside the BMW, or even the Astra VXR, and you will notice just how much taller the Golf is. The Golf has a higher centre of gravity, defined by the overall height of the bodyshell, and it is that very reason why the Golf appears to roll into corners more!
Although i totally agree the Golf is the 'perfect' compromise - i knew that before i bought the car (hence i didn't go for the sharp handeling, poorely built, massive depreciation R26 Megane)- but i do think there is room and very good potential for the Golf to be just a bit sharper.
But you could say that about anything, just as Ron Dennis or Frank Williams would always like a little extra!
Tha car does have roll - a 'very' approx 2" before the mid corner composuer which, granted is very composed. The roll it's self is not the problem its the way the car handles it's weight (odd timing and spounge like in feedback) during the roll that is slightly unsettling, and as i've mentioed string a few opposite corners together..... This is difficult to mention in words as it is what you feel and they are small increments.
Hmmm - whilst I'll stand by my initial suggestion of uprated anti-roll bars, you also seem to be describing a tyre issue - lack of tyre pressure actually. What tyres, exactly, are on each corner, and what pressure are you running.
As you may remember, I have the Dunlop SP SportMaxx, and I hate them. But one thing I did to improve the "jelly" like cornering feel was to tweak the tyre pressures - the standard pressures for "normal" loads are 35 psi front and rear. After some considerable experimentation, I now run 43 psi in the front, and 37 psi in the rear. The "squidgyness" has nigh-on disappeared, and the tread is still wearing consistently evenly.
If you are on the same Dunlops, try using my amended pressures, and see how you get on. If you are on different boots, you can still experiment with tyre pressures, maybe upping the fronts by 4psi and giving it a try!
For ref i raced my Caterham in hillclimbs for a few seasons so i'm well aware of how to set up a cars balance and my wifes 182 (sharp to the point of being twitchy but great) has none of these characteristics
Ahh, but hillclimbs are relatively low speed corners, whereas you seem to be complaining about high speed cornering. Whilst the fundamentals may be similar, the remedies are quite different. Also, a Caterham only weighs about the same as two of my Wifes cheese sandwiches, and has no sheet metal above to keep your hair dry! :wink: :grin: - and the GTI has eaten a few too many pies!
The uprated anti roll bars sound a good compromise although i havn't ruled out the 10 - 15mm eibach lowering springs with the correct geometry set up - what type and experince have you got T.T on a MKV Golf especially with the former?
I personally don't have any MkV Golf experience, regarding lowering. However, with the Golf being a hatchback, rather than a saloon, the "high" part of the weight is mainly carried over the rear axle - so this would make sense to actually lower the rear. However, as stated in an earlier post, the multi-link rear suspension, irrespective of vehicle make, can be seriously upset by lowering - just ask any Vectra owner who lowered it - the front end was fine, but the rear geometery was seriously bu&&ered up.
So, my personal advice would be to refrain from lowering, UNLESS, you actually get it done by someone like RSD, who would have already gone through the "teething" problems with alignment, and subsequently developed their own revised geometery settings.
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- a weighty car can still be made to handle - do you know how much weight new, lambos, 911's etc are these days! Talking of the latter i once had a 993 C2 and it too was soft - all depends what version you get - i wouldn't imagine a 964RS would be soft!
Yes, but they are all knee high to a grasshopper - the lower the centre of gravity, the sweeter handling you get
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I appreciate what your saying Ollieb7, I think people, myself included, get a little defensive when the Golf is given a bit of stick. :wink: One things for sure, your headline certainly got attention! :grin: Wish I could help on the suspension set up but I have little or no experiance in this area. :embarassed:
I notice the defensive bit from forums- i also note that sometimes a tabloid subject heading can also make for great threads- got some strong opinions here - great!
T.T. I read what you say and i do agree with a lot of what you right especially with the camber changes. When i wrote yesterday that i know good ride and feedback can co-exist i remembered afterwards what car i was thinking about - The EVO VIII MR340. Ok stuffed full of electronicsbut it did do the job remarkably well - weighed much the same as the golf and had fairly trick springs dampers - and it was a tall bugger - the caterham talk i only used to demonstrate that the handeling defficiencies (ok bit strong but...) were not down to my crap driving :laugh:
Which comes to my next thought.... i have a few ... and for that i am the opinion that it deserves a new thread.....
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Talking of track GTi's check out this thread on vortex.
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3128905&page=1
Bloody ell! I see even the dog wasn't impressed with the colour! :sick:
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Im just gonna keep quiet on this thread, dont wanna upset too many ed30 peeps with what ive said before, keep the threads going, enjoying this one :wink:
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I'm finding it hard to believe that this issue with imbalance isn just an Ed.30 thing as it has the same suspension setup as GTi. Maybe me and Ollie just push our cars that little bit more...... :smiley:
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I'm finding it hard to believe that this issue with imbalance isn just an Ed.30 thing as it has the same suspension setup as GTi. Maybe me and Ollie just push our cars that little bit more...... :smiley:
I'll just get my fishing rod and reel a few more in. :wink: :grin: :grin:
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the whole problem is the origonal chassis was built for maxiumum horsepower of 200. now by adding an extra 30hp, it opens up a huge can a worms, and all these niggly issues since release of ED 30. so to rectify will cost shedloads of £.
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I'm finding it hard to believe that this issue with imbalance isn just an Ed.30 thing as it has the same suspension setup as GTi. Maybe me and Ollie just push our cars that little bit more...... :smiley:
I'll just get my fishing rod and reel a few more in. :wink: :grin: :grin:
Nothing like mentioning a car glitch and all of a sudden it gets personal - seen it too much - cars are just hunks of metal at the end of the day for all except....
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7006703449
I think he may get upset if i suggested he would be best suited to a pee shooter! :grin:
Hi Phil - sorry prob. deffo nothing to do with the extra 30 horses - car feels like it could quite happly handle another 30 more! :evil:
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T.T. I read what you say and i do agree with a lot of what you right especially with the camber changes.
OK, but with the rear suspension, it isn't just changes in camber. The Golf has variable geometery at the rear - which means that the rear toe alters with suspension compression and rebound, and the caster also alters slightly too.
If you had conventional "rigid" wishbone type suspension, with fixed geometery, like on Caterhams, then altering the ride height would be straightforward, and any geometery changes would be linear and fixed rate. But on multi-link suspension designs, you really do need to know what you are doing. It simply isn't good enough just to go to your local suspension place, and get them to swap over the springs and dampers. They actually need to "understand" how minute differences in geometery affect the car, and then develop custom new settings!
Look in my sticky http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=54324.0 and download the rear suspension manuals, and you will see the different links, and the specific requirements for geometery setting!
When i wrote yesterday that i know good ride and feedback can co-exist i remembered afterwards what car i was thinking about - The EVO VIII MR340. Ok stuffed full of electronicsbut it did do the job remarkably well - weighed much the same as the golf and had fairly trick springs dampers - and it was a tall bugger - the caterham talk i only used to demonstrate that the handeling defficiencies (ok bit strong but...) were not down to my crap driving :laugh:
Ahhhh - but the Golf and the Evo are chalk and cheese! The Golf is primarily a 5 seat family hatchback, designed to transport 5 peeps, the weekly shop, the annual holiday, transporting granny to and from the care home . . . etc. The GTI/Ed30/.:R32 obviously have to maintain the very same design brief, but with some "tweaking", to give a more "driver" focussed appeal. The Evo, on the otherhand, is basically a homologation special, purely designed to comply with Rally regulations, and then a road car was developed, with the same "rally-like" fundamentals, but with all the electronic gubbins to make it a "safe" road car. Turn off those electronic aids, and you WILL head for the nearest ditch/tree/armco. I actually spent a whole day at RalliArt, near Dudly, a few years back, and "played" in three different Evo IVs and a Gallant VR6 - absolutley fcuking awful cars - the electronic aids were so "in your face", so obtrusive, that, OK whilst handling superbly, took all the skill away from the driver - :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick:
Which comes to my next thought.... i have a few ... and for that i am the opinion that it deserves a new thread.....
OK, keep your thoughts flowing . . . :wink:
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I'm finding it hard to believe that this issue with imbalance isn just an Ed.30 thing as it has the same suspension setup as GTi. Maybe me and Ollie just push our cars that little bit more...... :smiley:
Oh no. I push my standard GTI to the limit, and when I compare it to my S4, I find the GTI quite nervous on the limit. However, I'm undecided as to wether it is the shyte tyres giving poor feedback, or simply an inherant design compromise with the Golf.
I suppose I'm lucky to have two very competant tools to play with! :smug: :smug:
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I'll just get my fishing rod and reel a few more in. :wink: :grin: :grin:
PMSL :laugh:
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the whole problem is the origonal chassis was built for maxiumum horsepower of 200.
Sorry Phil, that is utter tosh - why, then is the .:R32 with 250 ponies available?
now by adding an extra 30hp, it opens up a huge can a worms, and all these niggly issues since release of ED 30. so to rectify will cost shedloads of £.
Disagree.
Just a thought, can any of you Ed30 owners post a poll, detailing the make and type of tyre fitted (specifically on the Ed30), as it would seem that many of them are coming with Dunlop crap!
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http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7006703449
Ollie - that is very worrying!!! Why would you need that link stored in your bookmarks ??? Anything you want to confess . . . :evil: :evil:
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I read it in the Sun news paper whilst offshore - My defence for this? Bored and i didn't buy it!
My ed has Conti's!
Agree on the skill being taken away by the EVO electronics - however it did take 5 passengers and my shopping very well - Take note though, this didn't take into account that all 5 felt very sick and the shopping was all over the shop (sorry bad pun!) :laugh:
All comes down to IMO as stated at the very start - maybe i'm just old school hot hatch where the basic 5 seater was compromised for handling - If you wanted the more comfortable model you bought the GLS, 4 Motion or whaterver instead of the GTI.
However never mind the IMO - well done for getting your feet wet while fishing TT - Great read and opinions! :smiley:
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Look in my sticky http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=54324.0
Fookin hell - a full on libary!
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http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7006703449
Ollie - that is very worrying!!! Why would you need that link stored in your bookmarks ??? Anything you want to confess . . . :evil: :evil:
OMG, I've just got a horrible image in my mind. :laugh: :laugh:
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good call TT, didnt think of that!!, just come back from picking the missus up from work, a VW MK 5 FEST!!!,
4 CARS in the fast lane on the M27 going some!!, R32 in black(manual) guessing, My gti dsg tucked behind, joined by golf GT 170 IN azure blue, and that was followed by what looked like a Golf TDI with some young lad at the wheel , trying his hardest to keep up with me and Mr R32, Was very amusing and all partys had a lovelly smile and acnologing each other :wink:
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I read it in the Sun news paper whilst offshore - My defence for this? Bored and i didn't buy it!
Hmmmmm . . . . fx/on <drums fingers on desk> fx/off . . . . :grin:
My ed has Conti's!
Which ones - SportContact2, or the latest SportContact3 ???
Agree on the skill being taken away by the EVO electronics - however it did take 5 passengers and my shopping very well - Take note though, this didn't take into account that all 5 felt very sick and the shopping was all over the shop (sorry bad pun!) :laugh:
And I bet your semi-skimmed had been turned into yoghurt by the time you got home! :laugh: :laugh:
All comes down to IMO as stated at the very start - maybe i'm just old school hot hatch where the basic 5 seater was compromised for handling - If you wanted the more comfortable model you bought the GLS, 4 Motion or whaterver instead of the GTI.
Oh - I fully agree. Compromise is the word. However, a good basic design of the chassis and running gear on the bog standard models allows a better scope for a hot hatch than a poor designed chassis. Just look at the Astra VXR - :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick:
However never mind the IMO - well done for getting your feet wet while fishing TT
:grin: fx/on <sits on a rock, and empties waders> fx/off
- Great read and opinions! :smiley:
Well - have you made your mind up which option you will take - or has that fence now firmly wedged itself between your hairy butt-cheeks !?!?!? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Look in my sticky http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=54324.0
Fookin hell - a full on libary!
It's been there nearly two months - don't you ever look at the main board? :shocked:
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hey T_T, list the tyre choices in a poll for ED30 owners, It's pointless me doing it, I'm not worthy of your knowledge :smiley:
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http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7006703449
Ollie - that is very worrying!!! Why would you need that link stored in your bookmarks ??? Anything you want to confess . . . :evil: :evil:
OMG, I've just got a horrible image in my mind. :laugh: :laugh:
Backs to the wall, when Ollie is around . . . . :wink: :wink: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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good call TT, didnt think of that!!,
What ??? - I wish you'd use the "quote" button Phil, then I'd know exactly what you are referring to! :smiley:
just come back from picking the missus up from work, a VW MK 5 FEST!!!,
4 CARS in the fast lane on the M27 going some!!, R32 in black(manual) guessing, My gti dsg tucked behind, joined by golf GT 170 IN azure blue, and that was followed by what looked like a Golf TDI with some young lad at the wheel , trying his hardest to keep up with me and Mr R32, Was very amusing and all partys had a lovelly smile and acnologing each other :wink:
Sweet
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What ??? - I wish you'd use the "quote" button Phil, then I'd know exactly what you are referring to! :smiley:
You are the quote guru TT! :cool:
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hey T_T, list the tyre choices in a poll for ED30 owners, It's pointless me doing it, I'm not worthy of your knowledge :smiley:
OK, let's do the "ground work", as I'm not sure if you can edit a poll once you post it.
The "possible" OEM choices:
Michelin Pilot Sport PS2
Michelin Pilot Exalto PE2
Continental SportContact2
Continental SportContact3
Dunlop SP SportMaxx
Dunlop SP Sport9000
Bridgestone RE040
Bridgestone RE720
Bridgestone RE050
Any more that I've missed?
Do we also include an option for individual aftermarket tyres, like Avon, BF Goodrich, Centurio, Falken, Fulda, Goodyear, Hankook, Kenda, Kumho, Linglong, Marangoni, Matador, Nankang, Nokian, Pirelli, Pneumant, Semperit, Toyo, Uniroyal, Viking, Vredestein, Wanli, Yokohama - or just list as "one" aftermarket option.
Give it a day or so for thoughts, then we can do the poll.
Also, are we going to allow standard GTI owners, but only with 18"s to post too, as the chassis & suspension are identical?
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What ??? - I wish you'd use the "quote" button Phil, then I'd know exactly what you are referring to! :smiley:
You are the quote guru TT! :cool:
LOL - It's not exactly difficult to do . . . . :nerd:
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ok, now you're just showing off!!
My choice would be to keep with what you have got below,
Michelin Pilot Sport PS2
Michelin Pilot Exalto PE2
Continental SportContact2
Continental SportContact3
Dunlop SP SportMaxx
Dunlop SP Sport9000
Bridgestone RE040
Bridgestone RE720
Bridgestone RE050
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"Other After Market"
Keeps it simple.
I agree, please add if you think (or find) others used (I'm guessing not though!?!?)
I also agree with including all MK5 GTI's with 18" wheels. (Stops the "us and them" rubbish!!)
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So what are we trying to determine? Whether the tyres are causing the imbalance?
I did a poll not so long ago on tyres and it seemed the main three (on the ed30 anyway) were the Conti SportContacts 2, Bridgestone 720 and Dunlop SP SportMaxxs
But im interested to see the result.
I think GTI's with 18's should be included as like you said, its the same chassis and suspension setup
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ok, now you're just showing off!!
:nerd: :nerd: :nerd: :nerd:
My choice would be to keep with what you have got below,
Michelin Pilot Sport PS2
Michelin Pilot Exalto PE2
Continental SportContact2
Continental SportContact3
Dunlop SP SportMaxx
Dunlop SP Sport9000
Bridgestone RE040
Bridgestone RE720
Bridgestone RE050
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"Other After Market"
Keeps it simple.
I agree, please add if you think (or find) others used (I'm guessing not though!?!?)
I also agree with including all MK5 GTI's with 18" wheels. (Stops the "us and them" rubbish!!)
OK, fairy nuff! Let's just wait for those who work during the day to get home and post their thoughts too.
One other thing, when the poll is set up, as well as the "click here for your choice" thingy, can we also ask that people actually post their own personal opinons too in subsequent posts - something like:
tyre make and type:
driving style:
roads type:
miles lasted:
new type fitted:
recommend the OE tyres:
other comments:
any other thoughts . . . .
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So what are we trying to determine? Whether the tyres are causing the imbalance?
Yes, and more importantly, which particular tyres suit the "traits" of the GTI chassis.
I did a poll not so long ago on tyres and it seemed the main three (on the ed30 anyway) were the Conti SportContacts 2, Bridgestone 720 and Dunlop SP SportMaxxs
Ohh - don't suppose you have the linky??
But im interested to see the result.
I think GTI's with 18's should be included as like you said, its the same chassis and suspension setup
Agreed - afterall, you may have an Ed30 owner who drives it quite sedately, and would think it bloomin' marvelous, even with banana skins wrapped around all for rims; and then on the other hand, us mere mortals in the "standard" GTI who hoon around like you know whats!
Sadly, I think we'll have to prohibit the .:R32 boys (and girls - are there any??), as their 4wd might alter the chassis dynamics!
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Would it be possible to factor in those on the 17's. Say have a choice of wheels - 17/18 inch and a choice of tyres??
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One other thing, when the poll is set up, as well as the "click here for your choice" thingy, can we also ask that people actually post their own personal opinons too in subsequent posts - something like:
tyre make and type:
driving style:
roads type:
miles lasted:
new type fitted:
recommend the OE tyres:
other comments:
any other thoughts . . . .
My choice would be to keep with what you have got below,
Michelin Pilot Sport PS2
Michelin Pilot Exalto PE2
Continental SportContact2
Continental SportContact3
Dunlop SP SportMaxx
Dunlop SP Sport9000
Bridgestone RE040
Bridgestone RE720
Bridgestone RE050
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"Other After Market"
Keeps it simple.
I agree, please add if you think (or find) others used (I'm guessing not though!?!?)
I also agree with including all MK5 GTI's with 18" wheels. (Stops the "us and them" rubbish!!)
Excellent thoughts guys, I agree with you TT and Simonet, using a format similar to the one above. As soon as May's here I will post my results. I'm just praying to the Motor God that mine doesn't come with the Dunlops :sick: and that I get the Michelin Pilot Sports :smug: :drool:. Please god.......
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Would it be possible to factor in those on the 17's. Say have a choice of wheels - 17/18 inch and a choice of tyres??
Hmm - I personally would prefer to just stick with the 18"s - in that way, any differencies can only be attributed to the tyre.
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Would it be possible to factor in those on the 17's. Say have a choice of wheels - 17/18 inch and a choice of tyres??
Hmm - I personally would prefer to just stick with the 18"s - in that way, any differencies can only be attributed to the tyre.
Fair enough - that was my aim too. Thought it would be better to identify those on 17's rather than exclude them but whatever!
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[Agreed - afterall, you may have an Ed30 owner who drives it quite sedately, and would think it bloomin' marvelous, even with banana skins wrapped around all for rims; and then on the other hand, us mere mortals in the "standard" GTI who hoon around like you know whats!
This is not me but this is the road that i broke my ED.30's duck on following run in. Takes 10 mins - speeded up of course.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNSCRGv0h8Q
Whats unfortunate is that the young lads that filmed this 'i believe' were killed the following week after they drove off the cliff edge - about 4 mins in - eek - its got to be driven with respect but well fun!
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Nice stretch of road Ollieb, might have to take a trip up that way one day. :grin:
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HMMM!!!!!
I'm up in Scotland in June :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
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HMMM!!!!!
I'm up in Scotland in June :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
In that case i cannot recomend more than any other road than the A939 that goes from Ballater to Nairn - now God himself made that road - beats the Kairnamount road any day!
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Has anybody thought about a thread on the best driving roads in the UK? We could pool our experiences and have peoples recommendations on roads that they have driven on, and know that others would get great enjoyment from, in their VWs. Any thoughts, or is there a thread already out there with this info on? If there's interest, I'll start a new thread.
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Has anybody thought about a thread on the best driving roads in the UK? We could pool our experiences and have peoples recommendations on roads that they have driven on, and know that others would get great enjoyment from, in their VWs. Any thoughts, or is there a thread already out there with this info on? If there's interest, I'll start a new thread.
Sounds good to me Hully, Perhaps if we get enough Vaughn may even make it a Sticky
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Ok, I'll start one off and see how it goes.
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Looks a cracking stretch of road, is a shame that the film wasn't posted in 'real-time' with the engine as a soundtrack instead of a junglist hash up of a Bond theme. Scotland really does have some fantastic roads, as does Wales.