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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: illyun on 22 March 2007, 18:40
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Didn't want to post this as I'm sure Phil will be gloating thinking/saying I told you so... but I have just run in my Edition 30 and it constantly wheel spins and I noticed on the first hard corner that the wheels were scrambling - and failing - to get grip resulting in understeer. The normal GTI never had these two issues - well it did wheel spin but only after the wheels had done 10k miles and Shell coincidently upgraded optimax to V-Power at the same time
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Errr bugger! I guess in the great conversion into a carbon fibre'd racer you'll need to get one of the quaiffe diffs fitted!
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I've not noticed that at all...I've done 1700 miles or so in the last 3 weeks touring England and the Central Belt of Scotland
I do get some wheelspin coming out of a few roundabouts, but nothing unexpected, and even with some spirited driving, haven't notice any understeer thats caused me to crap myself! I had a few B road blasts in the last 2 days, and it performed wonderfully
What tyres does yours have?
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well I have Dunlop tyres which seem quite hard and plasticky compared to the Conti's I had on my last Mk5 GTI which was a standard car. The plus side of 230bhp of course is acceleration from around 30 - 70mph is phenomenal and close to the Subaru Impreza STI I owned once which had 260bhp and that was the quickest car I have ever owned. I don't think a standard GTI would touch it from that kind of speed - you can literally feel the difference. :evil: :evil: :evil:
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can't say that i've had any probs like that.
However this could all be driving style and how you modulate the throttle, only gunning once you 'feel' the grip. Dont think its a prob with the car more like you've been spoilt by the previous 4 wheel drive illyun. :wink:
On this subject though, and now it's not as bad as some (BMW), but the cars traction control can be abit obtrusive on hard throttle in second gear out of a corner - bloody modern cars - what happend to the good old days of of understeer steering through the throttle??
Finally passed the 1k mark on sunday on my way back from Glasgow and gave the car the monty on the cairnaomount - well impressed! However as good as the suspension was on that type of road i do have the feeling that car maybe a bit soft! It has a wonderful fluid motion to it but i do feel it could be tightened up a bit. Their is a rather curious rear end 'catched pendulum' effect (faint) that i get at times as if the stability management is at work. This is without even taking into account that i still think it needs a 20mm drop.
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I have just run in my Edition 30 and it constantly wheel spins and I noticed on the first hard corner that the wheels were scrambling - and failing - to get grip resulting in understeer.
That is exactly the same kind of problems I get with my standard GTI. Its on Dunlop SP SportMaxx, which, as I've mentioned elsewere, are an utter pile of poo! :sick:
How do you find them under hard braking in a straight line? I find that mine lock up way too easily, too.
The normal GTI never had these two issues - well it did wheel spin but only after the wheels had done 10k miles
Which type of Conti boots were on your last one?
and Shell coincidently upgraded optimax to V-Power at the same time
Ever tried Tesco 99 ?? :wink:
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Errr bugger! I guess in the great conversion into a carbon fibre'd racer you'll need to get one of the quaiffe diffs fitted!
LOL
You mean those "quaiffe diffs", which are actually a blatant copy of "Torsen" diff! :nerd:
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just to add my ed30 experience.
Im at the end of the running in phase but have give it some on a few occasions and haven't felt any understeer as yet. Ive suffered a bit of wheel spin at roundabouts in the wet but only for a spilt second.
Coming from a mk4 GTi the handling is superb.
Im currently running conti's as a comparison.
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well I have Dunlop tyres which seem quite hard and plasticky
Which ones, the SP SportMaxx ??? What cold tyre pressures are you runing?
I find I've had to increase them quite a lot from the standard pressures, as, like you've observed, the tread itself is quite hard, yet the actual carcass is very weak. Indeed, many people have complained of noticeable deformation, after leaving the car standing for a period of time! :shocked: :shocked:
compared to the Conti's I had on my last Mk5 GTI which was a standard car.
Would they be the Conti SportContact2s ??
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just to add my ed30 experience.
Im at the end of the running in phase but have give it some on a few occasions and haven't felt any understeer as yet. Ive suffered a bit of wheel spin at roundabouts in the wet but only for a spilt second.
Coming from a mk4 GTi the handling is superb.
Im currently running conti's as a comparison.
Which type of Conti ?? If they are the SportContact, would they be the 2s, or the latest 3s ???
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I'll have to look at what's on mine now. When it comes in next week. Here's hoping they are conti's!
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Just to add to the other posts, I drive a standard GTI and it also does wheelspin going through round a abouts at high speed, and it also has continentals.
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Boys get a R32 - apart from paying potentially £190 a year more to that gypsy thieving b&stard, c0ck sucking w&nker Gordon Brown you get the meanest sounding engine and permanent 4wd which means not a hint of wheel scrabble when cornering and accelerating. I gaurantee that I'll beat you away from the lights anytime as long as you've had no sneaky mods done! Having said that I had my Mk5 standard Gti for just over a year and if I had the dosh I'd have kept her too! :wink:
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Boys get a R32 - apart from paying potentially £190 a year more to that gypsy thieving b&stard, c0ck sucking w&nker Gordon Brown you get the meanest sounding engine and permanent 4wd which means not a hint of wheel scrabble when cornering and accelerating.
The R32 does NOT have permanent four wheel drive. It has a part-time four wheel drive, and, under normal driving and road conditions, only sends power to the fronts, just like the GTI. The rear axle is powered via the Haldex coupling and controller, and the sensation is actually quite unsettling.
And what about the 30% increase in fuel bills, for nigh-on identical performance!
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I gaurantee that I'll beat you away from the lights anytime as long as you've had no sneaky mods done!
:evil: :evil:
Looks like some kind of a challenge to me :wink:
Santa Pod here we come :shocked:
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in autocar hot hatch test last month the tested the r32 and gti and leon cupra (similar enough to the edition 30 for a comparison).
0 to 100 mph
R32 = 16.9 seconds
GTI = 16.9 seconds
leon cupra = 15.3 seconds
bedford aerodrome track lap times
R32 = 105.75 seconds
GTI = 105.60 seconds
leon cupra = 104.5 seconds
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why oh why do they test the slower manual versions in these mags, what us DSG OWNERS wanna know is the seat i think will be the same time as a dsg gti
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why oh why do they test the slower manual versions in these mags, what us DSG OWNERS wanna know is the seat i think will be the same time as a dsg gti
Exactly... also, why don't they test the Edition 30 against these machines.
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I wonder whether DSG would actually improve lap times. Yes you accelerate quicker but you have ZERO engine braking for cornering. Just wonder what the overall effect on lap times would be.
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Teutonic Tamer take a chill pill man! When I bought my R32 the edition 30 wasn't around if it had been I might have gone for one. I've owned both the Gti and the R32 and prefer my R32. Being a family man I've got a 5dr and if you crank one of the rear windows down abit the sound track from the engine alone is worth the premium. I get only around 28 - 30 mpg with it though and with my Gti I use to average around 31 - 35 mpg ( on the way to work, not around town ) but as I do around 6 - 8000 miles a year there's cock all difference in fuel costs. :wink:
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are you saying that an r32 does 28 to 30 mpg round town :grin:
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BMX A big negative, no if I do 70ish on the motorway and generally stick to the speed limits I can average around 30mpg ( according to the trip computer ). As for round town well lets not go there, 20 - 21 mpg. :shocked:
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The other thing thats worth trying is the tracking. It can be over looked when leaving the factory and make a big difference. I'm laying down over 250bhp and only when I'm driving like a hooligan do I get the problems your talking about.
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Teutonic Tamer take a chill pill man!
Erm - you posted a factually incorrect statement, and I was just advising the correct operation of the drivetrain.
When I bought my R32 the edition 30 wasn't around if it had been I might have gone for one.
Same here, though I would still stick with the standard GTI, as I like full leather.
I've owned both the Gti and the R32 and prefer my R32. Being a family man I've got a 5dr and if you crank one of the rear windows down abit the sound track from the engine alone is worth the premium. I get only around 28 - 30 mpg with it though and with my Gti I use to average around 31 - 35 mpg ( on the way to work, not around town ) but as I do around 6 - 8000 miles a year there's c*ck all difference in fuel costs. :wink:
OK, I wasn't trying to spoon-feed you! I too have the 5door, primarily because on the 3dr, the doors are much bigger, and the seat belts are further back!
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As for round town well lets not go there, 20 - 21 mpg. :shocked:
Strewth - that is only 3mpg more than my V8 S4 around town !!!! :shocked: :smug:
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Mr Tec T an Audi Rs4 V nice! If the Mrs would let me I'd be right behind U in the queue, much cooler than a Beemer M3 even the new one which there were pickies of in Auto Express last week. :smiley:
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Hi Ill, Hi all
Sorry to hear about this :cry:
Question: Do you ever get used to this new format?
Regards
The big fella!
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Mr Tec T an Audi Rs4 V nice! If the Mrs would let me I'd be right behind U in the queue,
Ahh - you'll have to sweet-talk her much more . . . . :wink: :kiss: :grin:
much cooler than a Beemer M3 even the new one which there were pickies of in Auto Express last week. :smiley:
OMG, I'd rather have a testicle removed, before being forced into a Bangle design. The modern Beemers just look like any Jap-mobile . . . :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick:
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OMG, I'd rather have a testicle removed, before being forced into a Bangle design. The modern Beemers just look like any Jap-mobile . . . :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick:
Oops. Best start to call me johnny one-ball from September 1st.......
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I like the look of the front of 3 series, it's the rear that's poo. I assume the M3 is in coupe version too, this has the rear end (and lights) that should have ben used from day one!
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M3 will be offered in coupe, saloon and convertible bodystyles, just as it was in E36
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I've owned both the Gti and the R32 and prefer my R32. Being a family man I've got a 5dr and if you crank one of the rear windows down abit the sound track from the engine alone is worth the premium. I get only around 28 - 30 mpg with it though and with my Gti I use to average around 31 - 35 mpg :
I'm with you on that one,although I don't have a back window that open's :rolleyes:
Rog, do you have DSG or the keep fit gear stick?
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OMG, I'd rather have a testicle removed, before being forced into a Bangle design. The modern Beemers just look like any Jap-mobile . . . :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick:
Oops. Best start to call me johnny one-ball from September 1st.......
:grin: :laugh: Whoops - can I stop digging now? :evil:
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Hi Ill, Hi all
Sorry to hear about this :cry:
Question: Do you ever get used to this new format?
Regards
The big fella!
Welcome back Doc... how are you? Did you find out about the R36... my dealer says its 100% a goer.
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Hi mate!
I'm well and truly back in the Land Rover camp now plus I've ordered a TDV8 Range Rover Vogue so the R36 is out of the window!
I'm sure it will be very good though!
Are you tempted by the 4wd etc?
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Are you tempted by the 4wd etc?
:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :laugh: :laugh: :grin: - sorry - :sick:
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So I take it your not going to be buying the R36 but how about Ill?
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Doc, what happend to the Mini Cooper S GP? Its gone from your Sig?
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Hi Creepy Coupe, I've got the DSG, Had the manual before on the old Gti. The DSG is better in my opinion although my car can seem abit ponderous in normal auto mode but when it's nicely warmed up I use the paddles as I can hold on to the rev's and being normally aspirated that 's the key. If I want to give it a good workout it's sport mode for me but that fuel consumption................ :smiley:
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Hi mate!
I'm well and truly back in the Land Rover camp now plus I've ordered a TDV8 Range Rover Vogue so the R36 is out of the window!
I'm sure it will be very good though!
Are you tempted by the 4wd etc?
Nothing wrong with Land / Range Rovers - I came across a couple from the UK who were racing my R32 in sub-zero temperatures on a mountain road in the Swiss Alps. There was a sheer drop on one side and I could see the small lights of hosues way below... anyway they decided they wanted to show me what their Range Rover Sports could do... :grin: the last I saw of them was a small receding light in my rear view mirror as I accelerated to 120 mph.
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the last I saw of them was a small receding light in my rear view mirror as I accelerated to 120 mph.
On a private road :rolleyes: obvoiusly :wink:
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wow what a change! haven't been on here for ages now...almost forgot my username/password! - trying to get to the magical 1k miles as quick as possible.
nice to see a change to the forum format - looks, well, "updated." And good to read the new topics discussed - forgot how interesting and informative some of these topics are!!!
Hope you guys are enjoying your new cars (whatever they may be) as much as i am. The car has actually exceeded my expectations and is performing brilliantly. On the subject of wheelspin and poor traction - haven't come across any issues - seems like its a tyre issue as i have conti 2s.
Happy thraping!!!
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ILL - ARE YOU TEMPTED BY THE 4WD in the R36 not a Range Rover!
I've sold the Mini as I never used it - it had 400 miles on it!
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ILL - ARE YOU TEMPTED BY THE 4WD in the R36 not a Range Rover!
I've sold the Mini as I never used it - it had 400 miles on it!
LOL... :grin: I don't mind any car, as long as its got a VW badge on it :wink: I might grow out of it one day. :rolleyes: As for the R32, I absolutely loved it and reckon that my current manual Edition 30, nice as it is, doesn't compare to the R32 is DSG guise. But the R32 has one fatal flaw - mpg :sick:
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DOC YOU THERE DOC, do you know anyone with IT knowledge on the site, my e-mail wont let me in keeps bonging and says " application configuration is incorrect " any ideas who might be able to help, no e-mails now causing big problems as I am away in N / Ireland during the week ! sorry to put this on here but dont know what else to do
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At 244 bhp, my Revo Stage1 GTI has similar performance to the Ed30 and I don't get any wheelspin problems. It's down to the driver to use a sensitive right foot and feed the throttle progressively. Same with 270 bhp versions.
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You right Red Robin - I do have a bit of a heavy right foot :evil: :evil:
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You right Red Robin - I do have a bit of a heavy right foot :evil: :evil:
And here's a picture to prove it :grin:
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/hurdy_album/bigfoot.jpg)
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are there really beaches in sheffield hurdy!?? :rolleyes:
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No that's just Illyun's sandpit :laugh: