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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: 2007GTI on 21 March 2007, 23:03
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Am I right in saying R32 owners will be paying £300 or £400 road tax now?
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Yes you are correct.
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hahha. so glad mine isn't in a tax band :smug:
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hahha. so glad mine isn't in a tax band :smug:
Still worth every penny though, just to here that V6 growl. :smug:
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So what will it be for an ED30???
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Still £195
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Soon to be £205
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Oh, thats ok, £400 is a bit f***in steep but I suppose us law abiding fast car drivers are an easy target for the miserable jock! :angry:
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Oh, thats ok, £400 is a bit f***in steep but I suppose us law abiding fast car drivers are an easy target for the miserable jock! :angry:
Soft target Mate, they destroy the town centres of Britain, build outer town, get us dependant on our cars because public transport is sh!te, then when they have a captive market. screw them until the emmigrate, leave the Counrty full of Pole, Slovaks,and Bulgarians. :angry:
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HOW MUCH!!!! I live in Germany and get my Tax Disc paid for me (cheers). First i have heard of this - can somebody link me to the info relating these prices please
Lee
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HOW MUCH!!!! I live in Germany and get my Tax Disc paid for me (cheers). First i have heard of this - can somebody link me to the info relating these prices please
Lee
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524
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Lee, you will have to flog the R32 when you get posted back mate :wink:
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It is noithing short of a rip off!!!! I mean all the scum bags in the country get what they want from the Goverment for noithing, and just because decent people, who work hard and want to own a nice car get bum shafted! Just a joke!!!!
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It is noithing short of a rip off!!!! I mean all the scum bags in the country get what they want from the Goverment for noithing, and just because decent people, who work hard and want to own a nice car get bum shafted! Just a joke!!!!
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Until Co2 can conclusively be shown that it is the sole or other wise culprit of Global warming this is what i say to Mr Brown! (needs volume!)
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/e8488567-2aa7-4e5b-9ce0-987f008d2a57.htm
Its all Greenwash with out the proof!
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Clearly making road tax 400 quid will instantly stop people buying cars with high emissions values..... Oh no it feckin' won't, it's just another filthy tax scam.
Surely the rediculous level of fuel duty is already enough of a way of targeting people who drive less efficient cars? All that money goes on..... er....
Road congestion charging.... really? All that money goes on providing an amazing public transport network for London does it? You know as a way to encourage people to not drive there and mean the people paying feel they are contributing to something? Pah, don't be silly.
Airport tax being doubled? Yes, all that extra money generated will go towards.....er..... um..... clearly tackling the problem of greenhouse gases. Investing in alternative technology maybe? Or perhaps it will just go into the big government tax pot.
Oh, those lovely average speed check cameras that are going up permanently for miles and miles and miles of the A14 are because? Now if you told me it was going to raise the money to widen an already struggling vital main road maybe I could put up with that easy revenue generator. Or just maybe you could point out how there are SO many deaths on the A14 caused by speeding that it is required. You know, more than the what 6 or so Gatso/Truvelo there already are on that section of the road can cope with. But no.
Phew... let the anger out JV :grin:
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How many people watch "The great global warming swindle" on Ch4 a while ago? Opened my eyes to a big scam the government are on.
Just to summarise, Earth's 4.5 billion year history is one long story of climate change. This fact is pretty much accepted by those who think global warming is a natural process, and those who think it's caused by man.
In more recent history there has been: a mini ice age in the seventeenth century when the Thames froze so solidly that fairs could regularly be held on the ice; a Medieval Warm Period, even balmier than today; and sunnier still was the so-called Holocene Maximum, which was the warmest period in the last 10,000 years.
Those who think global warming is a natural process point to the fact that in the last 10,000 years, the warmest periods have happened well before humans started to produce large amounts of carbon dioxide.
A detailed look at recent climate change reveals that the temperature rose prior to 1940 but unexpectedly dropped in the post-war economic boom, when carbon dioxide emissions rose dramatically.
There is some evidence to suggest that the rise in carbon dioxide lags behind the temperature rise by 800 years and therefore can't be the cause of it.
In the greenhouse model of global warming, heat from the sun's rays is trapped by greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. If it weren't for these gases, Earth would be too cold for life.
Greenhouse gases trap heat from the sun within the earth's atmosphere. This is the greenhouse effect. Traditional models predict that increasing concentrations of greenhouse gases lead to runaway heating.
If greenhouse warming were happening, then scientists predict that the troposphere (the layer of the earth's atmosphere roughly 10-15km above us) should heat up faster than the surface of the planet, but data collected from satellites and weather balloons doesn't seem to support this.
Those who think global warming is a natural process say that the troposphere is not heating up because man-made greenhouse gases are not causing the planet to heat up.
For some people, the final nail in the coffin of human-produced greenhouse gas theories is the fact that carbon dioxide is produced in far larger quantities by many natural means: human emissions are miniscule in comparison. Volcanic emissions and carbon dioxide from animals, bacteria, decaying vegetation and the ocean outweigh our own production several times over.
Others would argue that carbon dioxide isn't the only greenhouse gas and that human emissions could tip up a finely balanced system.
New evidence shows that that as the radiation coming from the sun varies (and sun-spot activity is one way of monitoring this) the earth seems to heat up or cool down. Solar activity very precisely matches the plot of temperature change over the last 100 years. It correlates well with the anomalous post-war temperature dip, when global carbon dioxide levels were rising.
In fact, what is known of solar activity over the last several hundred years correlates very well with temperature. This is what some scientists are beginning to believe causes climate change. Others feel that solar activity only explains the fine details of temperature change.
So how does the sun affect the earth's temperature? The process scientists suggest is that as earth moves through space, the atmosphere is constantly bombarded by ever-present cosmic rays. As these particles hit water vapour evaporating from the oceans, clouds form in the atmosphere. Clouds shield Earth from some of the sun's radiation and have a cooling effect.
When solar activity is high, there is an increase in solar wind and this has the effect of reducing the amount of cosmic radiation which reaches Earth.
When less cosmic radiation reaches Earth, fewer clouds form and the full effects of the sun's radiation heats the planet.
So i think it is evident that cars, US etc do not contribute to global warming and thus all the increases in these taxes with the excuse it will lower Carbon Emmisions is B*llsh*t in my eyes!
Not much we can do. Pay up or sell. Im keeping my cars regardless.
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Still worth every penny though, just to here that V6 growl. :smug:
Wanna hear my V8 thunder, for the same price ?? :grin:
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Still worth every penny though, just to here that V6 growl. :smug:
Wanna hear my V8 thunder, for the same price ?? :grin:
You ain't got it yet :wink:
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It will stop the average Joe buying high emission car but MP's who I am sure have these luxuries will be safe knowing that the wages that we give them and that they claim all back through expenses it is a case of I am alright Jack (or Prescott's case I am alright Jags!).
So we get spanked again. Thanks a million. Then we will have him as PM, who voted for him to speak on our behalf? Not me, I did not even want Tony B'lair' in power.
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It is noithing short of a rip off!!!! I mean all the scum bags in the country get what they want from the Goverment for noithing, and just because decent people, who work hard and want to own a nice car get bum shafted! Just a joke!!!!
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+ 21 million, or so! :wink:
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Clearly making road tax 400 quid will instantly stop people buying cars with high emissions values..... Oh no it feckin' won't, it's just another filthy tax scam.
snip coronary inducing truth . . . . . .
Phew... let the anger out JV :grin:
fx/on <Michael Winner voice> Calm down, JV, its only £400 :grin: fx/off
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How many people watch "The great global warming swindle" on Ch4 a while ago? Opened my eyes to a big scam the government are on.
snip excellent post
Great summary Lee.
Hey, mods, make that post a sticky!
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Still worth every penny though, just to here that V6 growl. :smug:
Wanna hear my V8 thunder, for the same price ?? :grin:
You ain't got it yet :wink:
Erm, you've forgotten my S4 !!!! :shocked:
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Still worth every penny though, just to here that V6 growl. :smug:
Wanna hear my V8 thunder, for the same price ?? :grin:
You ain't got it yet :wink:
Erm, you've forgotten my S4 !!!! :shocked:
:embarassed: Fook it.
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Government statistics showed that it raised £4.4billion in 2004-05 from taxes on cars, light vans and taxis. When other vehicles were taken into account, that figure rose to £4.7billion. When a further £23billion in fuel taxes was added, the revenue generated soared to £28billion.
Today, the figure is even higher. The total tax collected from road users in Britain now stands at some £44billion, according to figures from the AA.
The amount returned to motorists through road schemes is just £7billion!!!!!!!!! :angry: :angry:
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This program was repeated on More 4 (Sky) back on 12th March i think and may well come up again. It goes on a bit with nerdy professors and scientists, but once you got the general facts it does become apparent thats the government are milking this no end!
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Still worth every penny though, just to here that V6 growl. :smug:
Wanna hear my V8 thunder, for the same price ?? :grin:
You ain't got it yet :wink:
Erm, you've forgotten my S4 !!!! :shocked:
:embarassed: Fook it.
PMSL
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This program was repeated on More 4 (Sky) back on 12th March i think and may well come up again. It goes on a bit with nerdy professors and scientists, but once you got the general facts it does become apparent thats the government are milking this no end!
And no wonder why George Dubya sticks two fingers up at the climate change lobbyists and the like!
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so its not off roaders that the tax is going up, its all 4 wheel drive cars?
so does that mean rallye owners will have to fork out £400 a year and even Fiat Panda 4x4's too?!
what a silly idea!
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Another issue to think about is the use of the car! I think It is unfair that say for example an R32 owner should have to pay £400 tax a year and cover say 7000 miles when the owner of another car in a lesser tax band pays £200 a year but does 30,000 miles a year and gives out more CO2 emmisions!
The whole system is completey wrong and it is out there to sting the decent bloke with a nice car as much as possible, It is sickening. I am 21 and I honestly can't see me staying in this country for the rest of my life, because of the way it is run and controlled!
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so its not off roaders that the tax is going up, its all 4 wheel drive cars?
No, you plonker :grin: Its' got naff all to do with the driveline!
It is all band "G" cars, so my S4 and RS4 will be included, along with the R32. The GTI is in band "F", I think, so that will be about £190
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so its not off roaders that the tax is going up, its all 4 wheel drive cars?
No, you plonker :grin: Its' got naff all to do with the driveline!
It is all band "G" cars, so my S4 and RS4 will be included, along with the R32. The GTI is in band "F", I think, so that will be about £190
Dam, and I've got it from pulling the rear half shafts out of mine :laugh:
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Another issue to think about is the use of the car! I think It is unfair that say for example an R32 owner should have to pay £400 tax a year and cover say 7000 miles when the owner of another car in a lesser tax band pays £200 a year but does 30,000 miles a year and gives out more CO2 emmisions!
But you clean forgot about the fuel duty :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Also, whilst us Gti drivers may be wiping the sweaty brow with relief this year, if Mr Brown attacks band G this year, you can bet Band F is next on his list....
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Also, whilst us Gti drivers may be wiping the sweaty brow with relief this year, if Mr Brown attacks band G this year, you can bet Band F is next on his list....
I think you can put money on it.
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Also, whilst us Gti drivers may be wiping the sweaty brow with relief this year, if Mr Brown attacks band G this year, you can bet Band F is next on his list....
No it won't - he'll be PM (not with my fcuking vote, mine dew), so won't be able to do the budget! :evil:
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ah so its about displacement :embarassed:, fair enough
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no, it's about CO2 emissions...all cars since 2001 have had their road tax band set according to the level of CO2 emissions
http://www.vcacarfueldata.org.uk/search/vedSearch.asp
Band G cars emit more than 226g of CO2 per KM travelled - these are the ones that Brown has chosen to heavily increase the road tax for
Band F cars are also hit, but only slightly
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I'd like to hit Mr Brown with my band F car :grin:
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How many people watch "The great global warming swindle" on Ch4 a while ago? Opened my eyes to a big scam the government are on.
snip excellent post
Great summary Lee.
Hey, mods, make that post a sticky!
I suggest it isn't made a sticky as the program has been criticised heavily for being factually incorrect and quotes were taken out of context. The director, Martin Durkin is well known for creating controversial, not always factually based films - http://tinyurl.com/2gsc2s
Equally, there may be some people here who do believe the pretty much irrefutable evidence that global warming is at least contributed to by human created co2 emissions. That doesn't mean we have to stop driving cars but think of ways to offset our emissions. I agree with some of the principles of a sliding tax scale however do not think the government has done this in the right way. Any vehicle based tax should be based on the carbon impact of a vehicle over its predicted life, say 5-10 years. Using this scale a Prius actually is shown to pollute more than a Range Rover Sport (Doc must be an environmentalist!) due to the construction techniques and offsetting that Range Rover have implemented recently. Unfortunately, the only really fair way to tax carbon with regard to motoring is to have a sliding tax based on the total impact mentioned earlier and to tax fuel or road use so that those who drive more contribute more. None of this will work, or not be criticised unless the revenue generated is clearly shown to impact on environmental changes and / or education.
Anyhow, I have no desire to change this into a political or environmental debating forum so suggest we get back on to cars! Anyone for a biofuel conversion? Will take a standard GTI closer to the 230bhp of the ED30 :wink: only problem is you need to live in Somerset or Norfolk!
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ah so its about displacement :embarassed:, fair enough
NOOOOOOOOO
It's down simply to engine/vehicle efficiency, based on the actual CO2 spewed out of the r-send.
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As we all know the government are making money on this, it's all part of the new world order! Those f**king secret society Freemason B**str*ds!