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Model specific boards => Golf mk3 => Topic started by: badboygolf on 02 March 2007, 18:34
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iv got a golf mk3 1994 GTI 8V..90k milege..put new gear box..new clutch..new oil filter..twin exhaust with silencer taken out..pipercross induction kit..just the back lowered..17"rims. I raced my mate who has got a 1.2 vauxhall corsa twinport '06 plate. we raced on a long stretch first and he was in front of me to start off..but i just could not catch up..we was doin about 90mph. then we raced a second time and it was the exact same story. he wasnt gettin away but i could not catch up either. then lata we raced off red lights and he just about beat me. i was givin it all i had. was revvin upto 5000-6000rpm before switchin. i am dissapointed. any tips on how to improve my cars performance? some people suggested performance spark plugs could make a big difference..maybe changing the fuel filter? anything else?
thanks
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Clean throttle body, change spark plugs, run a bottle of fuel treatment, change fuel filter
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To be honest mate, you were lucky to keep up with it!!. I also recently got an 8V and am totally disappointed with the performance, absloute CRAP!!.
But its a nice car, so I just don't go trying to burn of smaller cars that I know will eat me!!
Wish I had gone for the 16V now.
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Check the brakes arent binding - even slightly sticking calipers take all the zap out of the acceleration in higher gears and eats fuel....
although i have the same car and its only 115bhp standard - i guess the corsa is about 100 - 105 not sure tho and maybe slightly lighter. sh!t innit? lol im getting a VR6 this summer :cool:
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Definately glad I went for the 16v!! Eats saxos and fiesta zetec or STs for breakfast
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have a read on parkers.co.uk says that even the 8v gti is very underpowered and the only descent model is the 16v.
I know it sucks to get beaten by a corsa but there is little you can do to beat it unless you fancy chucking some serious money at it, you have to rmeeber engines now are getting better and better, these mk3's can be about 12 years old.
Just think of the look on his face on that day when you do beat him
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big wheels will not help acceleration at all put the 15s back on will pull a lot better unless you had a tiny side wall on 17s so you had the same rolling radius as the 15s
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Racing on the roads? Yeah that's a GREAT idea. :angry:
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the 8v GTi mk3 should never have been called a GTi. Far too heavy and underpowered. Don't bother throwing money trying to make it faster...better to buy either a 16v or VR.
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I really want to drive an 8v to see the difference now!
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big wheels will not help acceleration at all put the 15s back on will pull a lot better unless you had a tiny side wall on 17s so you had the same rolling radius as the 15s
it's not the rolling radius that causes worse acceleration as it would have to be near the same even with 205/40/17's. the problem is unsprung weight. a 17" alloy and tyre weigh a hell of a lot more than a 15" so it takes more power to move it as quickly.
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pah... your all just crap :grin:
granted the 8v is no vrs beater, but it can still provide enough grunt to eat a large range of cars if u get the launch and the gear changes right, especially if your only 22 and cant afford the insurance on a vr6! :cry:
and besides, u shouldnt be racing on public roads... its naughty :evil:
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I'm 24 and for me to insure a VR6 at the moment is only an extra 300 squid extra than insuring my valver. Daresay by christmas i'll get one
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Not meaning to take the pee/offend, but it could just be the driving style/technique... you could try driving each others cars? I tried to do a timed run in my 16v before and first couple runs I was getting 0-60mph in around 10secs, which is utter pants, more practice and its about 8secs.
Looking at the figures alone, the mk3 8v 115bhp should beat the corsa 1.2 16v 88bhp hands down, and should be 3secs faster to 60. Similar weights and torque.
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parkers claims it's 78hp with 0-60 in 11.8 :huh:
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Gotta go with what someone posted earlier, you have to remember that your car is about 12 years old while your mates is 1 year old. Engineering has moved on quite a bit in that time. My brother was busy telling me how much quicker his 3 year old A3 TDI was than my 98 GTI - the very car he has had remapped so surprise surprise there. Best bit was the turbo blew up the other week :laugh:
You also gotta think when you were "racing" your mate, he might have been thrashing the b******s of his car as well. If he was in front then he had a head start which isnt going to be easy to recover from.
I would have thought that the Golf is a good bit heavier that the corsa as well. My missus had a polo and that weighed an effing ton, nightmare to steer as it didnt have power steering. Power to weight ratio for both cars might then tip in the corsa's favour.
I have always found corsa's (and nova's) with 1.2 engines to be quite nippy up to about 50MPH then they start to lose it but can still do 70-90 before they struggle.
Personally dont have any complaints about my Mk3, only thing that has left me for dead was a scooby - so no surprise there.
If you want something nutty quick get a scooby or a bike. Brand new quick bikes that cost less than 9 grand will leave ferrari's (200K plus) standing so your 12 year old golf being beaten by a corsa aint that bad.
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I fancy a supercharged or turbo'ed VR6 if i ever get rich enough lol :cool: now they are fookin quick too.
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hmmm VR6 are the best words that go along with VW. Or even R32 turboed engine in a golf.
Ah the things dreams are made of :cool:
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Definately glad I went for the 16v!! Eats saxos and fiesta zetec or STs for breakfast
Feck knows why but my 8v seems to rip the piss out of those cars also. I had a little blast against my mate in his newer standard 8v and mine left him trailing behind. He swaers blind he was giving it his all but just couldnt keep up!! He was seriously peesed off :grin:
I also had a chav in a way over the top corsa the other morning reving his car grinning at me at the lights . When the lights changed the twit floored it so i thought feck it im going to have a go. It didnt take me long to catch the looser up and pass him :grin:
The tit stayed about 5 car leanths from my bumper after that :grin:
I dont normaly go in for the traffic light grand prix thing but this tit had been driving right up my jacksy for the last two miles :angry:
Stu
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I had a corsa twinport 1.2 rent a car this was brand new and it could not pull the skin off a rice pudding. I cant see how a 1.2 corsa can beat a 8v GTI especially on top end i know the mk3 8v was not the fastest car in the world but a 1.2 corsa come on. He would not of seen me for dust in my old 8v mk2. Are you sure its not broken mate, try having it dynoed, oh and dont race on the street its bad.... :smiley:
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i dont se how it cud beat it they aint that fast
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I just can't see it!
I would stick my mine on ebay if that happened to me! :embarassed:
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get a tdi! mine is chipped to 116bhp, 1bhp more than the 8v and trust me..ive never had a problem with any of the small cars..
I even catch up with bigger cars because of the whole wolf in sheeps clothing idea..they dont floor it, cause they dont expect a 10 year old car that sounds like a taxi to do anything
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I dont do "playing" on the roads.
But i did have some idiot in a 1.4SRi behaving like a tool - my 8v GTi had no problem with that at all.
My 8v really is quicker than i give it credit for really.
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Personally, even though I put stuff in my other post - I reckon there is something wrong with the car that lost to the corsa :undecided:
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I totally agree. I have an 8v (for sale if you're interested) and although I'm a little too old to race :wink: I do play from time to time against my Nephews Pug 1.9 GTi and there's not much much in it. I love 205 Gti's but the Golf is just so much more refined. That theory sticks with me now also, I could have had any car in hot hatch (Megane F26, ST, Clio 197 Type R) but I've bought a GTI ED30 because of it's build quality + Speed!
Anyway, enough of my new car, the 8V is still a great car, not the quickest, but quick enough, comfortable and 350 miles from a tank of Fuel.
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i had a crash (no i was not racing) and i had to jig the car and resprayed it..replaced the engine with same 8v (90k miles), replaced gearbox (used), new clutch. could the fact that i crashed effected my cars performance? if so how?
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crabbing or misalignment can scrub off speed and add to the rolling resistance.
From the top of a known incline , drop into neutral from say 50mph, check what speed it slows to at a specific marker like a sign or lamp post, by itself and do the same check with a mates car to see if yours is slowing too much compared to the other car.
I found my old brakes were dragging as my car would slow to 40mph from 60 by the time it had rolled from the top of a local incline to the next speed limit sign, my dad in laws car was still doing 50 at that marker and they are roughly the same size and weight.
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crabbing can cause a lot of speed to sheer off, although your used gearbox could also be taking some away, add all the little things together and you may have a big problem.
Do you know how many miles the gearbox had covered and does it go into gear ok?
Could loose a bit of power through the gearbox.
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Yea same hear about the gear box, i don't know much about gear boxes and what fits what etc but is there any way you could of had the wrong box fitted ?
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I dont know if they are interchangeable but usually higher powered car's gearboxes (vr, 16v) have taller gears as they have more bhp and in a lower powered car the acceleration will suffer a lot if that box was fitted!
Easy check, look at what speed you're doing in 3rd at 3k, and we can check ours, i'll post tonight as can't remember off hand but if they are different you have a different ratio. I've a standard 8v so they should be identical (barring wheels sizes, but they dont affect the indicated speed at a certain rpm, only actual roadspeed)
I know in 5th im at 60mph and 2800rpm, 70 is 3k exactly, but cos its top gear all cars will be close to 1:1 or less so 3rd would be a better guide.
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if a 16v box or vr box was fitted then it would have had to have had cable gear linkage and the lot... so i doubt its that...... car either running like p00 or driver isnt on form
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mind you some of these small cars are quick.... had some one in a lupo gti have a go from the lights... i was in me vr.... i was only 1/4 of a car length in front in 1st/2nd gear ..... then i hit 3rd gear.... bye bye lupo :smiley:
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Golf Specs >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/Data.aspx?model=1015
Poorsa specs >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/Data.aspx?model=1143
I know the poorsa thing is very childish but i have a deep loathing of vauxhalls...
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proved at last - the 8v gti is much more powerful, and faster to 60 as well as top end than the stoopid corsa.
Well done that man.
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oryt ladzzz. bin off for while hence me not replyin. anyway i got a new re-conditioned gearbox fitted and da performance is better. il let u know the speed in third gear at 3000rpm. i also got put new NGK irridium sparkplugz (even though cant tell the performance difference). one more ting..i love driving ma car in the morning when the engines cold. it movezzz way fasta.
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Gotta go with what someone posted earlier, you have to remember that your car is about 12 years old while your mates is 1 year old. Engineering has moved on quite a bit in that time. My brother was busy telling me how much quicker his 3 year old A3 TDI was than my 98 GTI - the very car he has had remapped so surprise surprise there. Best bit was the turbo blew up the other week :laugh:
You also gotta think when you were "racing" your mate, he might have been thrashing the b******s of his car as well. If he was in front then he had a head start which isnt going to be easy to recover from.
I would have thought that the Golf is a good bit heavier that the corsa as well. My missus had a polo and that weighed an effing ton, nightmare to steer as it didnt have power steering. Power to weight ratio for both cars might then tip in the corsa's favour.
I have always found corsa's (and nova's) with 1.2 engines to be quite nippy up to about 50MPH then they start to lose it but can still do 70-90 before they struggle.
Personally dont have any complaints about my Mk3, only thing that has left me for dead was a scooby - so no surprise there.
If you want something nutty quick get a scooby or a bike. Brand new quick bikes that cost less than 9 grand will leave ferrari's (200K plus) standing so your 12 year old golf being beaten by a corsa aint that bad.
true I have a 16v l plate gti which is quick but my 04 honda fireblade just decimates it and the blade cost £5k for a minter with 2k miles on the clock