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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: Teutonic_Tamer on 02 February 2007, 15:38
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Does anyone who owns an R32, or a GTI with colour coded side sills have any probs with peeling paint? :smiley:
The paint on mine is peeling quicker than easter egg foil at a McDs kids party :shocked: :angry: :cry:
Would like some feedback from others before I take it up with the dealer.
Rgds
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Did the dealer paint them? I'm getting my lower rear bumper painted by VW.
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Yeah, the dealer painted them, along with the front splitter and rear valence when they PDI'd it - it was part of the deal I haggled out of them.
They did try and give me some tosh about paint peeling on plastic bits, but I respectfully advised them that would happen, only if they didn't use the proper "flexible" primer, which is used on all plastic parts, OEM or aftermarket.
Looking carefully at them, there is no primer at all, loads of overspray in the arches (cleared up on a previous whinge . . . I mean warranty visit), loads of overspray all over the undertray, handbrake cables etc, etc.
Not a happy bunny ATM :cry:
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Hmmm. Maybe I'd be better to just leave it. Or i could source a rear bumper part of ebay and take it to a bodyshop before fitting it myself. That way no monkeys get to play with the car.
Will discuss with dealer....
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if they didnt use primer, which I know they should have, thats bad news, you need a refund!
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if they didnt use primer, which I know they should have, thats bad news, you need a refund!
A refund is out of the question, the car was first registered 1st Sep last year, but the service department at the dealer has been useless.
I'll send them a RecDel letter demanding they drop off an ident courtesy car, flat bed mine to the dealer, do the job properly, and bring it back to me.
The thing that really annoys me, I went round a load of VW dealers, with an identical wish list, including the colour coding, and all of them said no probs. The Wife's last Astra had its side sills colour coded, and we never had probs on that, over 7 years we had it!
Grrrrrr . . . :angry:
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My 'R' is fine and i echo the use of plastic primer. My last car had everything colour coded and they used plastic primer and it was fine
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dont hold your breath on a "ident" replacement car whilst yours is sorted, legally they dont have too,Cus i posed the same question. As long as they supply a vehical for the duration of repairs, thats about as good as it gets, depending on what their bodyshop has for lender cars, in my case i had the pleasure of a new VW polo!!! ENJOY! :grin:,
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The annoying thing was that I actually warned them about the plastic primer, and they hmmed and arhhed. In the end, I told them if painting plastic was so difficult, then every Golf, Polo, Toerag, etc would have paint peeling of the front and rear bumpers, and they couldn't follow up that one.
Re the ident car, mine has already been back to them 4 times, at 240miles each visit, each time, they keep saying they fix the problems, each time I get it back, still the bl00dy same! Heads will roll - OK, letters will wing their way to VW UK and VW AG if they give me any more grief!
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I wonder if i'm better off taking the car to a reputable body shop rather than let VW do it.
At least if I pay VW to do it there isn't quite the incentive to do it as cheaply as possible, as they is when they get nothing out of it.
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I wonder if i'm better off taking the car to a reputable body shop rather than let VW do it.
At least if I pay VW to do it there isn't quite the incentive to do it as cheaply as possible, as they is when they get nothing out of it.
Difficult to say really. Some stealer bodyshops seem to be pretty good, some seem to be $h!ittier than a field full of cows on laxative. Unless you have personal experience, I'd give the money to a good trusted inde shop.
What really annoys me, is I know they can do a good job, 'cause they repainted my rear bumper after the parking sensors went on strike!
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I'm going to discuss it with the dealer, who has been great so far. If they have any fear of peeling/bubbling/chipping I'll leave it for now. Thanks for the advice TT.
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I'm going to discuss it with the dealer, who has been great so far. If they have any fear of peeling/bubbling/chipping I'll leave it for now. Thanks for the advice TT.
A lightbulb moment - :laugh:
If you take it to an inde body shop, you'll get no warranty, whereas if you get the stealer to paint it, it will be covered by the full VW paintwork warranty - I just knew somewere in my deepest recesses why I chose the stealer! :nerd:
Rgds
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I had mine painted exactly a year ago, and after 7400 miles it still looks ok, I did buy R32 side skirts though, as the bodyshop said they would take paint better due to them being of a different type of plastic.
When I picked the car up after they were painted, the sprayer said it took him a while to "key" the rear bumper.
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Cheers, thanks for the reply.
I had mine painted exactly a year ago, and after 7400 miles it still looks ok,
OK, cool - do you have mud flaps fitted as well??
I did buy R32 side skirts though, as the bodyshop said they would take paint better due to them being of a different type of plastic.
Were the R32 skirts "pushed" on you, and was it the stealers bodyshop or an independent? Did they say that the paint would peel from the original ones?
I was never offered the option of the R32 skirts :sad:. How much were they, if you don't mind me asking?
When I picked the car up after they were painted, the sprayer said it took him a while to "key" the rear bumper.
Did they flatten down the lower half of the bumper, or does it still have the grain effect?
Rgds
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Cheers, thanks for the reply.
Were the R32 skirts "pushed" on you, and was it the stealers bodyshop or an independent? Did they say that the paint would peel from the original ones?
I was never offered the option of the R32 skirts :sad:. How much were they, if you don't mind me asking?
When I picked the car up after they were painted, the sprayer said it took him a while to "key" the rear bumper.
Did they flatten down the lower half of the bumper, or does it still have the grain effect?
Rgds
The body shop is an indipendednt, a little family firm I've used for a few years, my wife bought me the side skirts for a prezzy, but bless he see bought the normal golf GTi type (understandable) I took them to the bodyshop, who suggested I exchanged them for the R32 type, and explained why, so I swapped they at my local VW dealer and paid about another £10 or so, think the pair were £65.00.
They tried to flat out the rear bumper as my as poss, but it is still a little orange peel.
Not the best photo, but an idea.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/creepycoupe/Picture033.jpg)
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The body shop is an indipendednt, a little family firm I've used for a few years,
OK - always good to find a local inde somewhere who you can trust. :smiley:
my wife bought me the side skirts for a prezzy,
Awww :kiss:
but bless he see bought the normal golf GTi type (understandable)
Women - eh :wink: :wink: :wink: LOL
I took them to the bodyshop, who suggested I exchanged them for the R32 type, and explained why, so I swapped they at my local VW dealer and paid about another £10 or so, think the pair were £65.00.
Strewth - that's cheap. I thought you might have to sell a kidney or some other body part!!! :laugh: I had a Vectra GSi many moons ago, and damaged one of the factory fit Irmscher side skirts, and they were about £450 for a pair - unpainted :shocked:.
What was it like getting the old ones off and refitting the new? On the standard Golf V, they look a pain in the ar$e - http://volkswagen.msk.ru/body/g5/g5_66-04.pdf
They tried to flat out the rear bumper as my as poss, but it is still a little orange peel.
Not the best photo, but an idea.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/creepycoupe/Picture033.jpg)
That looks fine to me, but yours is the dark grey, mine is the much lighter Reflex Silver, and the original grain shows up - I don't really mind, because it adds a little contrast to the rear end!
Cheers
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Strewth - that's cheap. I thought you might have to sell a kidney or some other body part!!! I had a Vectra GSi many moons ago, and damaged one of the factory fit Irmscher side skirts, and they were about £450 for a pair - unpainted .
Know what you saying, I had a vectra SRi a few years ago, seam to remember a new rear box was in around £250 or so :cry:
What was it like getting the old ones off and refitting the new? On the standard Golf V, they look a pain in the ar$e - http://volkswagen.msk.ru/body/g5/g5_66-04.pdf
Sorry I didn't fit them myself, but I seam to remember there's a few clips and lot's of sticky tape type of seal around the outer edges.
IMHO, your replex silver will look good, although I'd be tempted to leave the lower centre section black, I bet that would contast nicely
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Know what you saying, I had a vectra SRi a few years ago, seam to remember a new rear box was in around £250 or so :cry:
The routine bits for Vauxhalls arn't too bad actually, well for me anyway, as I get full trade on the bits, but all the Irmscher stuff, which is the official Vauxhall/Opel aftermarket styling and wheels are hideously pricey, but good quality, mind you.
Sorry I didn't fit them myself, but I seam to remember there's a few clips and lot's of sticky tape type of seal around the outer edges.
OK, no worries!
IMHO, your replex silver will look good, although I'd be tempted to leave the lower centre section black, I bet that would contast nicely
Yes, yes - I thought exactly the same the day we picked it up - sadly the deed had already been done. Just like the lower splitter lip on the bottom of the front bumper should have been left black - the darn thing keeps getting scraped on ferry ramps :angry:
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Yes, yes - I thought exactly the same the day we picked it up - sadly the deed had already been done. Just like the lower splitter lip on the bottom of the front bumper should have been left black - the darn thing keeps getting scraped on ferry ramps
I left mine black, and everybody ask's, "why didn't you colour code that at the same time" :laugh:
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Yes, yes - I thought exactly the same the day we picked it up - sadly the deed had already been done. Just like the lower splitter lip on the bottom of the front bumper should have been left black - the darn thing keeps getting scraped on ferry ramps
I left mine black, and everybody ask's, "why didn't you colour code that at the same time" :laugh:
You can't win 'em all :smiley:
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Hey Sean - have been to the dealer and had a talk with my salesman. He has done the ground work for me, he was advised not to go with their own VW bodyshop, nor their usual one, but another slightly more expensive one but apparently top quality. They are going to silicon fill it, whatever that means, then rub it back smooth.
I'm def going to leave the lowest cut out black much like the US spec cars. Think that looks sweet and will be in keeping with the black skirts and black splitter.
I think I'm going to go for it. Seems like the best option all round, a good independant dealer via VW. Dealer is just confirming warranty but any probs and I'll be back at the dealer to complain. Plus i have the option of refusing the car if it is not right.
By the way, she arrives at the dealer for first peeks on the 15th Feb, and i pick her up at midnight on the 28th feb when the dealer is holding a release bash for 10-12 select customers! Sad but sweet...
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Hey Sean - have been to the dealer and had a talk with my salesman. He has done the ground work for me, he was advised not to go with their own VW bodyshop, nor their usual one, but another slightly more expensive one but apparently top quality. They are going to silicon fill it, whatever that means, then rub it back smooth.
Hmmm . . . the cynic in me would suggest they are initially trying to worm out of giving you any proper warranty on their own paintwork! :rolleyes: If I were you, I'd officially task (and pay) the VW main stealer to do it (thus keeping the VW manufacturers warranty), and getting them to sub-contract it out to this other bodyshop. The main stealer may want a cut of the dosh, or it may cost you a few bob more, but IMHO, it would be worth it to (a) get a good job done, and (b) have the work kept inline with the original warranty!
I'm def going to leave the lowest cut out black much like the US spec cars. Think that looks sweet and will be in keeping with the black skirts and black splitter.
With hindsight, that's exactly what I wish I had done! It will look the muts nuts! :wink:
I think I'm going to go for it. Seems like the best option all round, a good independant dealer via VW. Dealer is just confirming warranty but any probs and I'll be back at the dealer to complain. Plus i have the option of refusing the car if it is not right.
I think I returned your echo!!!!!!!!! :embarassed:
By the way, she arrives at the dealer for first peeks on the 15th Feb, and i pick her up at midnight on the 28th feb when the dealer is holding a release bash for 10-12 select customers! Sad but sweet...
WTF - get down there the day it rolls off the transporter, pitch your tent outside the stealer gates, and hassle them to prep, PDI and Register it ASAP :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: - OK, OK, OK - I know, you wanna wait for the 07 plate, but that wait sure will be agonising!
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Sean
The way i see it, I'm paying VW to do it. If they sub contract that's their issue, it's VW I'll get a receipt from and VW I'll be shouting at if it goes wrong. If I wasn't such a pain to them I would potentially never know it was subbed out.
Don't worry i'll be there on the 15th!!
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The way i see it, I'm paying VW to do it. If they sub contract that's their issue, it's VW I'll get a receipt from and VW I'll be shouting at if it goes wrong. If I wasn't such a pain to them I would potentially never know it was subbed out.
:nerd: OK - that's good. BTW, if you dont mind me asking, how much? I paid £350 :smiley:
Don't worry i'll be there on the 15th!!
Top man :grin:
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I wonder how much the lower rear section of the ED 30 would cost, and how it would compare price wise with having the normal silicon treated and all that.
Just a thought.
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I wonder how much the lower rear section of the ED 30 would cost, and how it would compare price wise with having the normal silicon treated and all that.
Just a thought.
Hmmm - interesting, though you wont be able to fit rear mudflaps, as the profile is different!
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Ah, there's always something :rolleyes:
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Sean, the price quoted was £200 plus VAT, but that was the rear bumper only.
HOWEVER, my dealer asked the warranty question and was told there wouldn't be one. He then pursued my desire for as near a factory finish as possible, and for it to last a real long time.
Apparently the very confident body shop started getting cold feet and their answers became a bit paper thin.
Add to this my sudden thought that some gimp will spank the engine, after about 15 miles, all the way to the body shop and back.... and you come out with the decision to abort the plan.
Too much could, and probably will go wrong. The shadow blue is fairly dark which camouflages the black to some degree so i'll put up with it now. Might also contact a known bodyshop which has proven to be excellent in the past.
Nick
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Might try to source a second had centre section of the rear bumper, get that done up. Saves being without the car and i've got the original should it peel or flake.
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Sean, the price quoted was £200 plus VAT, but that was the rear bumper only.
OK - that seems to be quite a fair if a little costly price. I used to get Astra rear bumpers professionally painted for GBP140 (hmm - my keyboard has gone funny! :sad:).
HOWEVER, my dealer asked the warranty question and was told there wouldn't be one. He then pursued my desire for as near a factory finish as possible, and for it to last a real long time.
Gonads - any work the dealer carries out must be offered with a warranty - irrespective of if they sub-contract it out. Take Tracker installations for instance - it is listed in the VW price lists; and you can order the Tracker at the same time you place the order for the car; but they sub that out - and is still covered by the VW warranty.
Apparently the very confident body shop started getting cold feet and their answers became a bit paper thin.
Time to find another then.
Add to this my sudden thought that some gimp will spank the engine, after about 15 miles, all the way to the body shop and back.... and you come out with the decision to abort the plan.
*Gimp* - LOL. Sadly it is true that some VW stealers employ Kermits friends - I know some in my local area - usually belonging to the larger multi-franchise operators like Hartwell MannEgerton Ariva etc.
Too much could, and probably will go wrong.
I honestly doubt it - bodyshops have been painting and colour-coding plastic bumpers for years now - but if you do pick the one with the "Stifikat ov Mupetry" :grin: hanging on the wall; you wont be too impressed.
The shadow blue is fairly dark which camouflages the black to some degree so i'll put up with it now. Might also contact a known bodyshop which has proven to be excellent in the past.
Nick
Go for it - you know you want to :wink:
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I paid £400 for bumper and side skirts,
Pants down, bend over :shocked:
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Had another brain wave. If I could get the rear bumper of a US spec car, these are supplied painted by VW and must therefore be easier to respray than black plastic. However none on ebay...
Will look into it, but for now must pay off the car in the 6 months I've allowed, hence it'll wait...
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Had another brain wave. If I could get the rear bumper of a US spec car, these are supplied painted by VW and must therefore be easier to respray than black plastic. However none on ebay...
Ohh - interesting . . . or an R32 rear end????
Will look into it, but for now must pay off the car in the 6 months I've allowed, hence it'll wait...
Nahhh - take the kids out of school and send them down a coal mine for 18 hours a day . . . :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:
BTW - you still havn't explained your "spanking Gimp"????? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Had another brain wave. If I could get the rear bumper of a US spec car, these are supplied painted by VW and must therefore be easier to respray than black plastic. However none on ebay...
Ohh - interesting . . . or an R32 rear end????
Will look into it, but for now must pay off the car in the 6 months I've allowed, hence it'll wait...
Nahhh - take the kids out of school and send them down a coal mine for 18 hours a day . . . :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:
BTW - you still havn't explained your "spanking Gimp"????? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Will prob stcik with the GTi bum for ease, don't want to over complicate matters - such as the exhaust cut outs being in the wrong place.
And i was simply referring to the monkeys that work in some garages. i wouldn't trust them with your car let alone mine...!!!