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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: Creepy Coupe on 29 January 2007, 14:23
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For months now IÂ’ve been debating having a HID conversion done on the Golf, after reading many reviews and HID kit suppliers websites, I started asking around to see if anyone had recommendations, but alas none were forthcoming.
As far as kit quality went, the same name kept cropping up, HIDÂ’S 4U, so after phoning a number of their listed fitting centres, it was apparent some knew a lot, and some next to nothing about fitting to a MK5 Golf. I had quote of 1 to 5 hours too fit, some didnÂ’t realise the front end of the car needed removing, hence the 1 hour. Trust me if you want a tidy job, the front needs removing.
Anyway I set off on Saturday morning looking for M Style in Sunny Romford, M Style are listed on HIDÂ’s 4U website as a fitting centre, and after a few email to Paul Emerson, he sounded like he knew his stuff, and had no problem quoting to fit to a VW, even though their a BMW specialist.
I arrived a t 8.30 am, to be greeted by a very nice lady with a smile, who made me a coffee, after a couple of hours and more coffee and toasted cheese sandwiches, the job was done.
Now as IÂ’m sure you can appreciate, seeing the difference of XenonÂ’s in the daylight is next to impossible, However I was show under the bonnet a very tidy install. So I paid up and left.
IsnÂ’t it strange how long it takes to get dark even this time of year, but at 5.30 pm I was firing the XenonÂ’s up, impressed with their OE looking soft start, so I set off driving around looking for the darkest country lanes I could find, but even with a small amount of daylight left in the clear winter night sky, I could see the difference immediately. and wow what a difference, a massive amount of crisp white light on the road in front.
I hardly found the need for main beam, as the XenonÂ’s pierced into the inky black Kent country lanes
Now for the big test, one of my main worries with retrofit was blinding other drivers, thinking the normal headlight lenses were a completely different design to the real deal.
Well 100 miles over two nights and I have only been flashed once.
So all in all one happy Golf driver
IÂ’ve enclosed some photos, to try and illustrated the difference.
Tidy install of one control unit.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/creepycoupe/DSCN0556.jpg)
At the weekend I drove down to my local MOT centre and asked the lads to check my dipped headlight beam pattern
Here's the N/S
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/creepycoupe/DSCN0566.jpg)
And again
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/creepycoupe/DSCN0564.jpg)
Sadly the O/S photo was ruined my glare from the glass cover, but trust me it was the same.
Because I'm a sado, I managed to persued the wife to drive my car at night while I filmed her, in this short clip mines the second car, just after I was blinded my main beam man.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/creepycoupe/th_Xenons.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/creepycoupe/?action=view¤t=Xenons.flv)
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I'd be interested in Sean's comments on this?
If you don't mind me asking, how much did you pay for this?
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I'd be interested in Sean's comments on this?
If you don't mind me asking, how much did you pay for this?
The kit was £250.00 plus fitting, in total £340.
Who's Sean?
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That sounds like a good price, but I'm getting a bit confused as to whther these kits are legal or not :undecided:
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At the moment their legal, but there is a grey area as to the futur of retro fit Xenon's, for factory fit they have to have headlight washers and self leveling, however there's no such rule for retro fit at the moment.
Swaping back to halogen bulbs on the Mk5 is a 10 minuet job.
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Thats what i thought recently in another post, however Teutonic Tamer who seems to know a bucket load about these things pointed out that all Xenons have to have washers and self levelling beams to be legal, irrespective of whether they are retro fit or not.
The issue was covered here: http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=52902.10
So I'm confused about the legality too. Seems to be a legal grey area. I doubt many MOT testers would pick it up.
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Intereting debate which I think might roll on.
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Thats what i thought recently in another post, however Teutonic Tamer who seems to know a bucket load about these things pointed out that all Xenons have to have washers and self levelling beams to be legal, irrespective of whether they are retro fit or not.
The issue was covered here: http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=52902.10
So I'm confused about the legality too. Seems to be a legal grey area. I doubt many MOT testers would pick it up.
Sean is Teutonic Tamer and I think he'll agree that these are illegal.
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I'd be interested in Sean's comments on this?
If you don't mind me asking, how much did you pay for this?
The kit was £250.00 plus fitting, in total £340.
Who's Sean?
:sick: Ding, ding, ding - http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=52902.0 - find me if you can :angry: . Then read the thread and come back here. Do tell us again if you still think your fu*&ing mickey mouse korean $hit is legal.
fx/on <drums fingers impatiently on desk> fx/off
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I think we may have found Teutonic_Tamer's bugbear! :grin: :grin: :grin:
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I'd be interested in Sean's comments on this?
If you don't mind me asking, how much did you pay for this?
The kit was £250.00 plus fitting, in total £340.
Who's Sean?
:sick: Ding, ding, ding - http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=52902.0 - find me if you can :angry: . Then read the thread and come back here. Do tell us again if you still think your fu*&ing mickey mouse korean $hit is legal.
fx/on <drums fingers impatiently on desk> fx/off
Oh not another one of those forum gob sh!tes who hasn't got the balls to show their personal details, but likes to make their point with foul language, which is generally considered a sign of low intelligence.
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Well 100 miles over two nights and I have only been flashed once.
That means they are too high - a prosecutable offence under the Road Traffic Act.
IÂ’ve enclosed some photos, to try and illustrated the difference.
Tidy install of one control unit.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/creepycoupe/DSCN0556.jpg)
Illegal - no "E" type approval, as required under the Construction and Use Regulations.
At the weekend I drove down to my local MOT centre and asked the lads to check my dipped headlight beam pattern
Here's the N/S
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/creepycoupe/DSCN0566.jpg)
Illegal. Firstly no/invalidated "E" type approval, as required under the Construction and Use Regulations, and a failure under section 1.2.1 of the MoT Testers Manual "A missing obligatory headlamp". Secondly, another MoT fail point under section 1.6 Headlamp Aim - there must be an acceptable beam pattern on the headlamp aim - (a) there is no clear definition of the break point, (b) there is no clear definition of the horizontal cut off, (c) there is no clear definition of the kick-up.
And again
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/creepycoupe/DSCN0564.jpg)
Same as for the nearside, but with two additional failures: horizontal break not horizontal, and horizontal break above the prescribed level of 1.25%.
Sadly the O/S photo was ruined my glare from the glass cover, but trust me it was the same.
Irrelevent, the beam pattern between left and right is huge - no glass cover will produce that kind of distortion. If it did, it would be a failure.
Because I'm a sado
You said it - couldn't have put it better myself!
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Have to say, I think Sean's argument makes good sense, enough to convince me. How could he sell a full headlight kit at £250 when the bulbs are £120 each? Also, why would VW bother with the likes of headlight washers if there was no valid need? Cost cutting would rule them out immendiately.
And why on earth would retro fit be subjected to lesser laws? Just does not make sense.
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I'd be interested in Sean's comments on this?
If you don't mind me asking, how much did you pay for this?
The kit was £250.00 plus fitting, in total £340.
Who's Sean?
:sick: Ding, ding, ding - http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=52902.0 - find me if you can :angry: . Then read the thread and come back here. Do tell us again if you still think your fu*&ing mickey mouse korean $hit is legal.
fx/on <drums fingers impatiently on desk> fx/off
Oh not another one of those forum gob sh!tes who hasn't got the balls to show their personal details, but likes to make their point with foul language, which is generally considered a sign of low intelligence.
Are you blind as well as stupid - my details are (a) in my sig, (b) in my profile.
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I think we may have found Teutonic_Tamer's bugbear! :grin: :grin: :grin:
ROTFLMAO
Laney, you owe me a new keyboard :wink: :wink: :wink:
fx/on <grabs the kitchen roll, mops coffee from keyboard> fx/off
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Are you blind as well as stupid - my details are (a) in my sig, (b) in my profile.
Sean - you may well be posting some very useful, important and helpful information, and everything you've said about Xenons may be correct - it certainly all sounds impressive! - and this is obviously a subject you feel strongly about, but you are very aggressive, if not downright rude and offensive, in the way you are putting this message across, so it's not surprising that you are putting some people's backs up.
If you wrote in a slightly less confrontational way (see Doc's post for examples), then people might be more ready and willing to take your advice. :smiley:
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I'd be interested in Sean's comments on this?
If you don't mind me asking, how much did you pay for this?
The kit was £250.00 plus fitting, in total £340.
Who's Sean?
:sick: Ding, ding, ding - http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=52902.0 - find me if you can :angry: . Then read the thread and come back here. Do tell us again if you still think your fu*&ing mickey mouse korean $hit is legal.
fx/on <drums fingers impatiently on desk> fx/off
Oh not another one of those forum gob sh!tes who hasn't got the balls to show their personal details, but likes to make their point with foul language, which is generally considered a sign of low intelligence.
Are you blind as well as stupid - my details are (a) in my sig, (b) in my profile.
Normally IÂ’d respect someoneÂ’s knowledge of such things, but I canÂ’t believe youÂ’ve never done over 70 on a motorway or parked on double yellow lines.
Coupled with your foul mouth and general belief that you have a right to use foul language on a forum, which in my opinion is tantamount to swearing in someoneÂ’s face, leads me to think, your a person of low social skills, whoÂ’s incapable of making themselves heard in a debate, without such behaviour.
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Are you blind as well as stupid - my details are (a) in my sig, (b) in my profile.
Sean - you may well be posting some very useful, important and helpful information, and everything you've said about Xenons may be correct - it certainly all sounds impressive! - and this is obviously a subject you feel strongly about, but you are very aggressive, if not downright rude and offensive, in the way you are putting this message across, so it's not surprising that you are putting some people's backs up.
If you wrote in a slightly less confrontational way (see Doc's post for examples), then people might be more ready and willing to take your advice. :smiley:
OK Alex, you may have a point, and I appreciate your concern :shocked:. I may come across strongly on this issue, but I consider it reasonable for my "enthusiastic" and "robust" answers as follows.
Firstly, the "blind and stupid" bit IMO was perfectly justified, as I have NEVER hidden my details. In fact, the OP has hidden his details!
Secondly, there was a detailed thread on retro-fit Xenons not many days ago, which the OP could have searched for!
Thirdly, it is perfectly clear the OP is either spamming, or is on some kind of commission. I base that opinion on (a) the OPs posting history from his profile, and (b) who would have the necessary MoT beam testers for the pictures he posted????
Next, the OP posted "At the moment their legal, but there is a grey area as to the futur of retro fit Xenon's, for factory fit they have to have headlight washers and self leveling, however there's no such rule for retro fit at the moment.
Swaping back to halogen bulbs on the Mk5 is a 10 minuet job.".
This is a statement from the OP stating they ARE legal, when they are not, the OP IS aware of the requirement for headlamp washers and auto leveling, but again wrongly quotes of no such requirement at the mo, and finally, states about swapping back to halogens in 5 minutes - why? If his Xenons were legal, then why the need for such a statement - my guess is the OP does know they are illegal, and is merely trying to cover his ar$e, at the same time drumming up more sales/commission for future fitments!
If I have offended the OP, then tough - if I have offended anyone else, then I offer my appologies for the tone and manner for my expressions in this thread.
At the end of the day, it is only my opinion, based on my qualified experience, of both the law and motor vehicle maintenance. If people wish to disagree, that's fine, it's a free country, where freedom of speech and expression is still legal fx/on <looks over both shoulders> fx/off.
If I can offer my utterly impartial advice, on any subject which I have a good knowledge of, then I am only too pleased to do so. For me to stay silent on a subject which I do have knowledge of - well I wouldn't be being fair to the whole of the GolfGTI forum!
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Although Teutonic_Tamer did come on a bit strong, it certainly made his informative post noticed, which in my opinion is a good thing.
We have a great community on here and all I say is, lets keep it civil! :smiley:
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but I canÂ’t believe youÂ’ve never done over 70 on a motorway or parked on double yellow lines.
:rolleyes: Huh - where did that come from? :sad:
Coupled with your foul mouth and general belief that you have a right to use foul language on a forum, which in my opinion is tantamount to swearing in someoneÂ’s face, leads me to think, your a person of low social skills, whoÂ’s incapable of making themselves heard in a debate, without such behaviour.
Kitchen and heat come to mind! :wink: :smiley:
Well - are you going to answer my concerns raised in my post #11 of 16:36:48, or are you going to run to mummy, and hide behind the curtains? :huh:
BTW, who will you get to pick up your teddy bear - you know, the one you keep throwing out of your cot? :wink:
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Although Teutonic_Tamer did come on a bit strong, it certainly made his informative post noticed, which in my opinion is a good thing.
We have a great community on here and all I say is, lets keep it civil! :smiley:
Oh damn it - I've missed my medication again :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: - best go for my lie down. :laugh: :grin: :laugh: :grin: :laugh: :grin:
Rgds to you all :smiley:
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Do tell us again if you still think your fu*&ing mickey mouse korean $hit is legal.
the sticker actually say Mand in Korea !!
I'm with Teutonic _Tamer on this one as i'm pretty certain the law say that you have to have washer jets, and it now states auto levelling (i think this only became law a few years ago)
i've got 'real' as in factory fit xenon's in my MK4 and they beam they cast has a very defined horizontal cut off, i'll try and take a photo to show what it should look like
regarding MOT tests my mate retro fitted xenon's to his 3 series, and when that got tested the test centre picked up on it but turned a blind eye, so guess it depends where you take your car.
all in all quite an interesting thread which might help other avoid buying illegal HID kits in the future.
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Have to say, I think Sean's argument makes good sense, enough to convince me.
Thank you - is a cheque OK? :wink: :wink: :wink:
How could he sell a full headlight kit at £250 when the bulbs are £120 each?
Still no answer from the OP, eh!
Also, why would VW bother with the likes of headlight washers if there was no valid need? Cost cutting would rule them out immendiately.
Don't forget the complicated self-leveling auto headlamp range control!
And why on earth would retro fit be subjected to lesser laws? Just does not make sense.
Egzakerly - they arn't exempt from OEM regs (unless the vehicle is "Q" plated and then subjected to Special Vehicle Approval).
Rgds
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Do tell us again if you still think your fu*&ing mickey mouse korean $hit is legal.
the sticker actually say Mand in Korea !!
I missed that! :nerd:
I'm with Teutonic _Tamer on this one as i'm pretty certain the law say that you have to have washer jets, and it now states auto levelling (i think this only became law a few years ago)
Cheque OK for you too :wink: :wink: :wink: (this is gonna be an expensive thread :grin:).
i've got 'real' as in factory fit xenon's in my MK4 and they beam they cast has a very defined horizontal cut off, i'll try and take a photo to show what it should look like
The reason for the difference in the beam pattern is due to the focal length of the bulb in question. A halogen headlamp assembly will have the integral reflector (and any projector lens) tuned to the correct focal length of the OEM halogen bulb to produce the required beam pattern. The same can be said for the OEM Xenon headlamp assembly. When you try and fit a HID Xenon capsule in a halogen designed headlamp, the beam pattern and alignment goes up the swanny.
regarding MOT tests my mate retro fitted xenon's to his 3 series, and when that got tested the test centre picked up on it but turned a blind eye, so guess it depends where you take your car.
Perhaps they felt sorry for him for owning a BM - afterall, not everyone can own a Golf :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:. They are actually clamping down very hard now. The DfT has issued specific instructions to Police forces, and updated guidance to MoT test stations via VOSA, so MoT testers are taking a big risk turning a blind eye to this issue - hang on, was that a pun, and I just fell for it! :grin:
all in all quite an interesting thread which might help other avoid buying illegal HID kits in the future.
If we don't make a stance, what next, they'll try and peddle Charlie and Pot and H ! ! !
Thanks for your support, rgds
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Not only is an abundance of blinding lights coming towards me on the roads not very appealing, after shelling out the hard earned for VW xenons, I'm a bit less than keen to see some Monkey devaluing my car by offering cheap alternatives, which to the unknowing buyer may not be detected.
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Not only is an abundance of blinding lights coming towards me on the roads not very appealing,
It's actually quite dangerous, and can cause arc-eye.
All sitting down for the next lesson :wink: :wink: . On a conventional tungsten filament, including halogens, a fine wire (the filament) has a current passed directly through the filament, heating it white hot, producing light. On a High Intensity Discharge (HID) capsule, two separate electrodes, enclosed in a pocket of inert gas (Xenon), are charged with very high voltage. This results in an arc between the two electrodes, producing the characteristic blue/white light. This is exactly the same principle as electric arc welding, and you know what kind of mask you need to protect your eyes!
after shelling out the hard earned for VW xenons, I'm a bit less than keen to see some Monkey devaluing my car by offering cheap alternatives, which to the unknowing buyer may not be detected.
Fully agree, although anyone experiencing the mindblowing performance and accuracy of genuine HIDs, particularly the newer bi-Xenons, will not be fooled by these pathetic and illegal copies.
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Excuse my absence last night TiT, but I was out enjoying my new headlights at 7.18pm :smiley:
Well at the end of the day, you entitled to your opinion, but all I know is that I drove home last night, as I have done for the last couple of weeks, without anyone flashing me, or crashing as they approached me.
If your the “vehicle technician†you claim to be, you will have noticed the pattern on the headlight beam tester might have been less pronounced that a halogen, but in no way higher of more obtrusive.
IÂ’d bet with you if I hadnÂ’t said which car was mine of the video, you wouldnÂ’t have been able to guess, why canÂ’t you accept some work well as a retro fit.
Now IÂ’m in no way connected with the HID aftermarket industry, nor am I on commission from anyone, and am the first to understand that retro fit HIDÂ’s are not going to be a success on every vehicle
But as a Golf owner, and this being a Golf forum I thought IÂ’d share my findings with other members. IÂ’m sorry if this has in some way undermined your everyday high status on here, something you clearly have enjoyed so far.
But I have no respect for someone who can pass a judgment on a product they havnÂ’t seen for themselves. And can only put over their point of view by quotes like this.
“ Do tell us again if you still think your fu*&ing mickey mouse korean $hit is legal.Ââ€Â
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I'd like to see the beam stay the same height after you load the car with something heavy in the boot, and as you havent got automatic levelling, they will blind people.
Teutonic_Tamer hasn't got any status on here, any more than I have. Only the fact he knows the law and speaks his mind.
Have fun with your lights, but Teutonic_Tamer is right and you know it.
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Sean, may i pose a question in the midst of the argument? Clearly the self levelling function which is enforced on the xenon's is to prevent blinding people (now known as arc-eye...!!).
BUT, why must you have headlight washers? Cannot see why this is obligatory when lower power headlights need not have them?
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:grin:
Who would have thought that lights would have produced such a heated debate?
More importantly, how can light be both a wave and a particle?
:tongue:
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Well at the end of the day, you entitled to your opinion,
Thank-you :smiley: . We are all entitled to voice our "opinions", and I would be the last person standing, defending peoples' rights to do so. However, in your posts, you have, as well as giving your opinion, tried to state issues of law. It is that area, regarding the law, which you are very wrong, and I am offering my expertise and experience in that area to offer others who may be reading this, and thinking about taking the same route as yourself, to be given clear and frank advice, that retro-fitting of HID Xenon headlamps is illegal.
Yes, there are many other "modifications" that people do to their cars which are illegal, and some of those modifications have no effect on road safety - heck, a loud exhaust, whilst irritating to some, certainly won't cause an accident! Dangerous, faulty, illegal, misaligned, and misused headlamps do cause accidents, and as someone who has directly experienced a near-fatality :angry: in my own family due to the night blindness caused by the incorrect use of headlamps, this is an area close to my heart, and one which I feel passionate about :nerd:.
I do maintain an "honesty", for want of a better word in my posts, on the absolute legal issue, but I admit my "tone" in expressing that point may seem less than friendly, to which I have already appologised to the forum. Rather than taking the easy route of re-editing my previous posts, I will let them stay as they were, however, I again offer my appologies to the whole of the forum, including the OP, CC, for any offence or distaste caused only by the tone of my expression, but not by the facts in my posts.
but all I know is that I drove home last night, as I have done for the last couple of weeks, without anyone flashing me, or crashing as they approached me.
That is rather a hollow, and meaningless statement. It is exactly like saying if a heroin dealer carries out his/her business without geting caught, then that too is A-OK!
If your the “vehicle technician†you claim to be, you will have noticed the pattern on the headlight beam tester might have been less pronounced that a halogen, but in no way higher of more obtrusive.
I am well versed with beam patterns, and the MoT test requirements, produced by all types of headlamp bulbs and assemblies, ranging from US DOT beams, UK sealed beams, tungsten-only filament bulbs, tungsten-halogen bulbs (ranging from the older H1, H2, H3 and H4s, through to the later better quality H7, HB3, HB4 and H11s), and the latest HID Xenon capsules (both in single beam, and dual beam or bi-Xenon).
The beam patterns you have posted in your original message would be on a par with the ancient Lucas sealed beam units, or the earlier poorly designed tungsten-only or tungsten-halogen headlamps. The beam pattern of an H7, HB3, HB4 or H11 would be considerably better by some magnitude over what you have shown in your pictures. The beam "intensity", or brightness, along with the "temperature", or colour (whiteness) shown in your pictures is an extremely simple indication that the light is being produced by a HID capsule. This is blatantly obvious, and any MoT tester, along with any Police Officer from a "Roads Policing Unit", otherwise known as a traffic cop, will know of the illegal fitment of the said HID capsule.
Any accident your car may be involved in, will be deemed a contributory factor in the cause of that said accident. Now, you may think the same could be said for OEM headlamps which were misaligned, and, providing the police, or insurance assessors could prove the misalignment, after any collision, then fine, they would have something to go on - but any kind of front end impact would invalidate any effort or attempt to prove that particular issue. However, it is very easy to see, even after severe front end impact, of any unlawful modification to your headlamps. Even if your headlamps were smashed to tiny pieces, there would still be the evidence available to categorically state the headlamps were unlawfully modified. That would actually deem your insurance invalid, and you would then be personally liable for all costs from any accident, including all third party costs, and more alarmingly, now the police, fire service, ambulance and hospitals can also recover their costs from dealing with RTAs! Think about it - is it really worth it? Only can make the final call!
... to be continued (due to my reply exceeding the maximum post length :huh:)
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IÂ’d bet with you if I hadnÂ’t said which car was mine of the video, you wouldnÂ’t have been able to guess, why canÂ’t you accept some work well as a retro fit.
The video proves absolutely nothing!
I cannot, and will not accept that any retro-fit HIDs work like OEM HIDs. They are illegal! They do not have mandatory headlamp washers, nor the mandatory highly complex fully automatic headlamp range control. In your specific instance, the beam patterns you have produced are woefully inadequate and an MoT failure, the ballasts have no "E" type approval, I've no doubt your HID capsules also have no "E" type approval: all legal requirements!
Now IÂ’m in no way connected with the HID aftermarket industry, nor am I on commission from anyone
Hm, OK, some may give you the benefit of doubt. Me, I'm not convinced.
Your original post rang alarm bells. Firstly, it was written with some kind of journalist, or marketing type of style - the bit about your research, the bit about "quality kit", the bit about "the same name . . . HID'S 4U", the bit about "some didn't know the front of the car needs removing", the truly magical bit from your preferred supplier they "happened to know it did need coming off . . . even though they were BMW specialists". Then there is "Sunny" Romford, the "personal greeting", the seemingly endless supply of "coffee", and the next - an absolute first for me - the "toasted cheese sarnies" (I never used to find time to feed myself, never mind my customers!!). Then we find you just happen to have a camera to hand, so take a pic of the ballast install. You take pains to express the lack of diference of the "soft start" between yours and OE. The paragraph is bufferd with journalistic "padding", with terms like the "strange how long it takes to get dark", the "firing the Xenon's up", the "clear winter night sky", your immediate awareness of the difference - "wow what a difference", "massive amount of crisp white light", and the "Xenons pierced into the inky black...". The real marketing killer for me though, was your statement - "I hardly found the need for main beam". Anyone who has used genuine OEM HIDs, will know that is sheer fantasy, as the beam cut-off on HIDs is considerably more accurate, and abbrupt, than conventional halogens, and you do still need to use main beams in the appropriate conditions. You go on with your "big test", about your concern for "blinding others", your surprising knowledge of the difference in design of headlamp lenses to the "real deal", and you are a "happy" customer (nothing wrong with being a happy customer, in isloation, but not when used with the rest of the text).
The final straw for me, was when you magically produced your photos of an MoT headlamp calibration device. I have never come across anyone who has requested, the vast majority having zero knowledge, of beam calibration equipment. I would go on to say that a huge majority would not have the foggiest idea regarding the correct beam pattern or alignment picure - yet you magically not only have access to this kit, you confidently photograph the evidence! To top it all, you then went out and made a video!!!
All this detail, without anyone here asking for it! Am I cynical? I won't answer that :lipsrsealed:, nor should the OP - let the rest of the fourm decide! :undecided:
... to be continued - still (due to my reply exceeding the maximum post length )
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and am the first to understand that retro fit HIDÂ’s are not going to be a success on every vehicle
Another "hollow" statement.
But as a Golf owner, and this being a Golf forum I thought IÂ’d share my findings with other members.
If they were impartial, and legal, then they would be welcome without detailed questioning and consternation!
IÂ’m sorry if this has in some way undermined your everyday high status on here, something you clearly have enjoyed so far.
I wasn't aware of any "status" I may, or may not have enjoyed, and I don't seek any kind of status either!
But I have no respect for someone who can pass a judgment on a product they havnÂ’t seen for themselves.
But you have posted the detail and outcome of the product, so I, along with everyone else who stumbles upon this forum CAN pass judgement. As for loss of respect from yours truly - well, I'll just have an extra tipple to help me sleep!
And can only put over their point of view by quotes like this.
“ Do tell us again if you still think your fu*&ing mickey mouse korean $hit is legal.Ââ€Â
OK, - I've already given my apologies. And the above quote is now in isolation, and taken out of the original context.
However, if you caught some low-life scum trying to peddle illegal drugs to your children at the school gates, would you not express a similar reaction. The legality, and blatant spamming of such Xenon retro-fits has been covered a number of times in these forum, one such discussion was extremely recently.
Kind rgds
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I'd like to see the beam stay the same height after you load the car with something heavy in the boot, and as you havent got automatic levelling, they will blind people.
It isn't just static loading, such as a bag of spuds in the boot, or the heavy weight granny in the back seat, which HIDs require compensation for - it is also, and crucially, the constant dynamic adaption of the beam height. That is to say the pitching movement during acceleration and braking, and the gradual loss of weight from the fuel tank - is all adjusted for by the milisecond with HIDs - and they work very well indeed. Appart from the obvious benefit from not blinding someone during harsh acceleration and heavy loads, a big safety to the driver is under heavy braking, when conventional headlamps forshorten quite considerably! :nerd:
Teutonic_Tamer hasn't got any status on here, any more than I have.
fx/on <firmly wipes out any aspects of personal delusion> fx/off :grin: :grin: :grin:
Only the fact he knows the law and speaks his mind.
Somewhat harshly - so I'm lead to beleive . . . :wink: :wink: :wink:
Have fun with your lights,
But it'll be no fun when he gets pulled over by the law, fails the MoT, or heaven forbid causes an accident!
but Teutonic_Tamer is right and you know it.
Thanks for the support, now where is my new cheque book :wink: :wink:
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However, if you caught some low-life scum trying to peddle illegal drugs to your children at the school gates, would you not express a similar reaction.
I never knew you cared so much TT!!! :grin: :wink: :grin:
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Sean, may i pose a question in the midst of the argument?
Sure, just make sure you form an orderly queue! :wink: :grin:
Clearly the self levelling function which is enforced on the xenon's is to prevent blinding people (now known as arc-eye...!!).
Yep, and also to assist in the general increased lighting performance as a whole package.
BUT, why must you have headlight washers? Cannot see why this is obligatory when lower power headlights need not have them?
I was wondering when this would be asked. Righty, the light produced from the HID capsule is considerablely different to that produced by an incandescent filament bulb. If you remember from my previous posts, the light is generated by an "arc" between two electrodes (in exactly the same way which lightning is generated!), rather than current being passed through a filament with a pre-determined position, glowing to produce light (and thermal heat). Because the light produced is a very different "temperature" in Kelvin, or colour, the frequency of the actual waves of light generated are very different to incandescent or filament generated light. Boffins somewhere agreed that whilst the HID light output was generally a better quality, and more usefull, than conventional incandescent light, any "stray" light from HIDs was proven to be far more, and aggressively (for want of a better phrase) distracting, and therefore dangerous.
OK - still with me? :wink: :grin: :nerd:
Any dirt, ice, or general crap on the outer lenses, whilst obviously reducing the actual output, can also distort (change the shape of the beam), defract (bend away from the desired path), or even refract (break down the light output into different spectrum) the light from the headlamp. On conventional tungsten only and tungsten-halogen lights, this wasn't deemed to be a safety critical issue, but on HIDs, this was deemed to be safety critical, and dangerous when not controlled, and is why you need both auto headlamp levelers and headlamp washers for the legal "E" European Type Approval.
Rgds
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Just as i thought!
A simple physics lesson in the art of waves and prisms.
Cheers headlight bible!
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:grin:
Who would have thought that lights would have produced such a heated debate?
Heated . . . heated, nahhh, I find this quite illuminating . . .
fx/on <all groan in unison> fx/off
More importantly, how can light be both a wave and a particle?
:tongue:
fx/on <scratches head under grey hair> fx/off
Erm, light "particle"? I think the Cat may have his cream laced with whisky!!! :grin: :grin: :grin:
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However, if you caught some low-life scum trying to peddle illegal drugs to your children at the school gates, would you not express a similar reaction.
I never knew you cared so much TT!!! :grin: :wink: :grin:
I could say this country is going to pot <groan> :wink:
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Just as i thought!
A simple physics lesson in the art of waves and prisms.
Cheers headlight bible!
So you already knew ! ! ! Barstew. . . And you made me work my tired, arthritic fingers to the bone! :wink: :wink: :wink:
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No harm in confirming suspicions. Didn't want to look like a noddy if i was way off the case!!
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Yeah, you know. Light has wave properties (like diffraction and refraction) and particle properties (like the photo-electric effect, i.e light contains photons). It's the wave-particle duality of light which can be explained using quantum mechanics. :nerd:
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Yeah, you know. Light has wave properties (like diffraction and refraction) and particle properties (like the photo-electric effect, i.e light contains photons). It's the wave-particle duality of light which can be explained using quantum mechanics. :nerd:
fx/on <scratches head, fires up Wiki - ahhhh> fx/off
Thanks . . .
Wow, its a fascinating read! :nerd:
Why didn't my physics tutor teach me this? :sad:
Rgds
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and to think my boss reckons I wont learn anything useful by surfing web forums all day! :grin: :grin: :grin:
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He's right you know Sean!
just been thinking about the defraction of light caused by dirt. Wouldn't water (expelled by the washers) sitting on the light cause the same problem? Or maybe the wind is enough to clear enough water.
perhaps all xenons should have volvo style headlight wipers too......??
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and to think my boss reckons I wont learn anything useful by surfing web forums all day! :grin: :grin: :grin:
ROTFLMAO
Anyone know where I can get a keyboard condom from? I'm getting fed up with coffee in my keys! :grin:
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Yeah, you know. Light has wave properties (like diffraction and refraction) and particle properties (like the photo-electric effect, i.e light contains photons). It's the wave-particle duality of light which can be explained using quantum mechanics. :nerd:
fx/on <scratches head, fires up Wiki - ahhhh> fx/off
Thanks . . .
Wow, its a fascinating read! :nerd:
Why didn't my physics tutor teach me this? :sad:
Rgds
They only teach classical or Newtonian physics at school - they don't go into quantum physics. Basically, at an atomic level, classical physics breaks down and all hell breaks loose. :grin:
Wiki-whatchamacallit is rather useful isn't it? Although, I don't always trust it. It sometimes contains porkies.
and to think my boss reckons I wont learn anything useful by surfing web forums all day! :grin: :grin: :grin:
Ah indeed. So much info. I certainly know more about Xenon lights, that's for sure. :tongue:
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He's right you know Sean!
Who? :huh:
just been thinking about the defraction of light caused by dirt. Wouldn't water (expelled by the washers) sitting on the light cause the same problem?
To a certain extent, yes. But the purity of water from the washers (hopefully a mix of water and specialist screenwash with surfactants) should give less defraction than the wide range of contaminents that gather on the outer lens, such as salt, grit, mud, oil, cow poo, squashed midgies, etc, etc.
Or maybe the wind is enough to clear enough water.
Quite! How many motorcylists have dinky little wipers on their visors?? :wink:
perhaps all xenons should have volvo style headlight wipers too......??
In an ideal world, with glass outer lenses, yes. But two crucial reasons why not - firstly, headlamp outer lenses are made from polycarbonate, or similar substances, and any mechanical wiping system would rapidly ruin the outer lens, with scoring, making the problem even worse. Secondly, even if the blades were somehow made soft enough when new not to do any damage, owners would not change the little dinky wipers, which would merely snowball the scoring effect.
Headlamp washers are not the perfect solution, but they are the best for the prevailing circumstances. Indeed, if you read the owners manual on cars with HIDs, there are usually two statements, don't use anything hard or harsh when cleaning the headlamps (to prevent scratching), and secondly, don't rely on the washers alone to remove all of the traffic film, or words to that effect.
Rgds
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He's right you know Sean!
Who? :huh:
Shrodingers cat!!
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Yeah, you know. Light has wave properties (like diffraction and refraction) and particle properties (like the photo-electric effect, i.e light contains photons). It's the wave-particle duality of light which can be explained using quantum mechanics. :nerd:
fx/on <scratches head, fires up Wiki - ahhhh> fx/off
Thanks . . .
Wow, its a fascinating read! :nerd:
Why didn't my physics tutor teach me this? :sad:
Rgds
They only teach classical or Newtonian physics at school - they don't go into quantum physics. Basically, at an atomic level, classical physics breaks down and all hell breaks loose. :grin:
Ahh, OK, cheers. :smiley:
Wiki-whatchamacallit is rather useful isn't it? Although, I don't always trust it. It sometimes contains porkies.
Yes, although some of the porkies are quite blatantly obvious! :laugh:
and to think my boss reckons I wont learn anything useful by surfing web forums all day! :grin: :grin: :grin:
Ah indeed. So much info. I certainly know more about Xenon lights, that's for sure. :tongue:
Good, objective achieved! :nerd:
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He's right you know Sean!
Who? :huh:
Shrodingers cat!!
Ahh, thanks. :wink: :smiley:
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Ok, without wanting to labour the point, I work for a Motorsport engineering Company, so IÂ’m more akin to oily bitÂ’s than lighting, so maybe some of my too many years in technical sales has come across in my thread.
But I can assure you I donÂ’t have any vested interest in any companies mentioned, I am quick to complain about poor workmanship, and feel itÂ’s only just to give praise where praise is due, and found the two firms mentioned to be worthy of such.
I did however stand around for five hours because M style really thought the fitting would be an hours worth, and so did HIDÂ’s 4U for that matter.
Like I said not waiting to rant on, but itÂ’s been nearly three weeks now, and more importantly near to 500 miles, without continuous flashing from other road users
We can go on about the wrong beam pattern as much as we like, but “in my application†they work well, and as I said I posted here because it’s GTI relevant.
While speaking to a member of another forum, who works for Halfords , who has shown an interest in HID kitÂ’s, which could be interesting.
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You spoke to someone at Halfords did you? That place is known in the industry as the worse possible place to take your car for anything!!!!
You have put it all in perspective for me now.
Teutonic_Tamer, over to you......
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Like I said not waiting to rant on, but itÂ’s been nearly three weeks now, and more importantly near to 500 miles, without continuous flashing from other road users
We can go on about the wrong beam pattern as much as we like, but “in my application†they work well, and as I said I posted here because it’s GTI relevant.
Not really the point if they are illegal is it?
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Strewth, this is just like my local bus service - last thing on this thread yesterday just after lunch, wait up all night, nothing turns up, then bu&&er me, three turn up in the space of fifteen minutes . . . :grin: :grin: :grin:
OK, I exceeded the max length again, full replys to follow
Rgds
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Ok, without wanting to labour the point, I work for a Motorsport engineering Company, so IÂ’m more akin to oily bitÂ’s than lighting, so maybe some of my too many years in technical sales has come across in my thread
Hm... "Motorsport engineering Company", "technical sales", and "I work for": so you are connected with the industry in some way! Perhaps this was a practice "dry run" for some marketing posts for your own company. If you update your signature with all your details, & show a little more transparency to all, then you might (or not!) have got some different replys to your OP.
But I can assure you I donÂ’t have any vested interest in any companies mentioned
Hm... but you do work for a trading company, directly relating to the motor industry, and I've no doubt your company offers some kind of "services" (specific, maybe), to the general motoring public, and also to owners of VWs and members of this forum.
I am quick to complain about poor workmanship, and feel itÂ’s only just to give praise where praise is due, and found the two firms mentioned to be worthy of such
Very hollow, and utterly contradictory words. You had initially posted your "concerns" on the legality of retro-fit HIDs, and you even suggested a work-around, for the MoT test. You have subsequently been told that the fitment and use of your retro fit HIDs are utterly illegal. You have also been told that the light produced by your headlamps are an MoT failure, and therefore illegal. Yet you still do not condemn the place that fitted them, or the actual kit as supplied.
If it were me, innocently (unaware of the legal issues) asking for work to be carried out on my car, and subsequently finding out (a) the work IS substandard, (b) it has made my car illegal, (c) it WOULD invalidate my insurance, (d) it would lead me open to prosecution, (e) it could lead me open to financial ruin from any accident... and on, and on. At this stage, I would be spitting blood and feathers, demanding the work be removed and restored to OEM standard, demanding a full refund, plus compensation, etc, etc.
To me, and I'm perfectly sure to others, your definition of "poor workmanship" would obviously include the actual "nuts and bolts" physical workmanship, but also any written literature supplied and oral advice from the supplier and/or fitter. Whilst they may have snipped the loose ends of their ty-raps at a neat 90-degree angle, it is the whole picture, the whole issue of the total "service" which needs to be recognised and addressed.
To be continued . . .
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I did however stand around for five hours because M style really thought the fitting would be an hours worth, and so did HIDÂ’s 4U for that matter
But you stated they did know the front end had to come off, and would therefore be a lengthy job. Come on, from your new admission that you work for a Motorsport engineering Company, you would be more than aware of the scope of the prep work needed!
Like I said not waiting to rant on, but itÂ’s been nearly three weeks now, and more importantly near to 500 miles, without continuous flashing from other road users
That is still a hollow statement. Lets say you are driving in a queue of traffic at night, and a solitary car/truck/bus approaches from the opposite direction. The vehicle approaching has a noticeable defect with their front lights, such as either: one headlamp not working/no lights on at all/incorrect use of front fog lamps/headlamp beams to high - how many people who meet that said vehicle will flash their own lights at it??? Now I've no doubt that the no lights at all would get quite an enthusiastic action from most vehicles it approaches, but for the three other scenarios, hardly any would flash!
We can go on about the wrong beam pattern as much as we like, but “in my application†they work well, and as I said I posted here because it’s GTI relevant
But they do NOT work well in your application!!! :rolleyes: :shocked: What part of "MoT failure" can you not understand? What part of "illegal" in terms of their fitting and use can you not understand?
While speaking to a member of another forum, who works for Halfords, who has shown an interest in HID kitÂ’s, which could be interesting
Care to name this other forum?
Ah, yes . . . Halfrauds, the centre of excellence, the pinnacle of automotive mechanical knowledge, the fountain of technical experience, the respect of their rigorous and unrivalled motor vehicle apprenticeships, their close links with the automotive manufacturers, their total access to manufacturer technical data and service literature, their Oracle like knowledge on road traffic law, their supreme confidence of their ability to communicate accurate information to their paying customers - NOT!!!! I would not let them work on my bicycle!
Rgds
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You spoke to someone at Halfords did you? That place is known in the industry as the worse possible place to take your car for anything!!!!
:evil:
You have put it all in perspective for me now.
:shocked:
Teutonic_Tamer, over to you......
Will post #55 8 do? :smiley: :wink:
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Yes, your replies blow this guy out of the water. Job done. :grin:
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Like I said not waiting to rant on, but itÂ’s been nearly three weeks now, and more importantly near to 500 miles, without continuous flashing from other road users
We can go on about the wrong beam pattern as much as we like, but “in my application†they work well, and as I said I posted here because it’s GTI relevant.
Not really the point if they are illegal is it?
Thats the worry, he still misses the most crucial issue! :smug:
We all might as well pi$$ of the bow of a steaming ship! :shocked:
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To be fair, I'd be pretty pissed off if I'd spanked £340 on some headlights I thought were great but were illegal and unroadworthy. That might just spoil my day...
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TT your definitely a typical forum bore, you donÂ’t create any post of your, but just hover around looking to pick holeÂ’s in subject you donÂ’t agree with, I sure together with your little lap Dog 2007 GTi, you really enjoy yourself.
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Yes, your replies blow this guy out of the water. Job done. :grin:
fx/on <takes a bow> fx/off :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Me, bovvered, nah.
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To be fair, I'd be pretty pissed off if I'd spanked £340 on some headlights I thought were great but were illegal and unroadworthy. That might just spoil my day...
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You would have thought the OP would have gone scurrying off into obscurity, tail between his legs, never to be seen again - whilst seeking the necessary redress from the people who fitted 'em!
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TT your definitely a typical forum bore,
Well, I don't wish to hog the limelight, nor open up anything. I've gone off my lathe, and my reamer was under miniing me. Saying that, I'd hate to push anyone aside, and them fall down my well. I might end up looking down the wrong end of a barrel - best I wave you goodbye! :wink:
you donÂ’t create any post of your, but just hover around looking to pick holeÂ’s in subject you donÂ’t agree with,
I'll ask my own question, when I have a question to ask - not when you think so. For the record, I'm looking at the archives BEFORE asking a question which MAY have already been asked.
I don't simply pick subjects I don't agree with - I pick subjects I have an interest, knowledge and expertise in. If someone is spamming, I'll let them know, if someone is being economical with the truth, I'll let them know, if someone is trying to mislead or encourage a dangerous and illegal activity, you guessed it, I'll let them know. Now if you consider that as "picking holes" - so be it, but it was you who created this thread, so you must accept the freedom of others to submit their own replies.
If you don't like your holes picked, bu&&er off somewhere else - but before you do, old bean, do have the courteousy to actually ANSWER the concerns raised by others, and myself, instead of simply throwing down smokescreens all the while!
I sure together with your little lap Dog 2007 GTi, you really enjoy yourself.
Here, Rex - Siii . . . . . T. Oh, go fetch the paper now!!!! :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Strewth, I made myself laugh - are you OK 2007??? :wink: :grin:
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I'm fine, just trying to see through CC's smoke screen. :rolleyes:
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I'm fine, just trying to see through CC's smoke screen. :rolleyes:
Quick, call the Fire Brigade - still, better not, CC might have a "thing" for men in uniform. :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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TT your definitely a typical forum bore,
If you don't like your holes picked, bu&&er off somewhere else - but before you do, old bean, do have the courteousy to actually ANSWER the concerns raised by others, and myself, instead of simply throwing down smokescreens all the while!
I sure together with your little lap Dog 2007 GTi, you really enjoy yourself.
Here, Rex - Siii . . . . . T. Oh, go fetch the paper now!!!! :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Strewth, I made myself laugh - are you OK 2007??? :wink: :grin:
You tend to do all the telling, not asking, you and your Gimp are a double act, he can only ask how much and how fast. oh sorry he did ask in a post "how good is the MK5 security"
Well String, how and long comes to mind.
So far all you have done is talk, let's see your photo of a mk5 dipped beam light pattern with standard Halogens, lets see you actual evidence of after market Xenon's blinding someone.
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Dont you think peeps, we can put this thread to bed and stop ripping sh!t out of each other, its getting tedious now,CANT YOU JUST AGREE TO DISAGREE AND EVERYONE JUST STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and talk about something else!!!!!!!.
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CC, so now you're acutally criticising other people's posts? Please explain to the class, why my post about security is so bad? I was asking a genuine question about security. Its funny, as nobody on the thread I posted on had a problem with a genuine question.
Do you think that by raking over my old posts will give you any merit in this forum?
Phil, I agree, but CC is causing all this.
CC, please do everyone a favour and fcuk off.
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Dont you think peeps, we can put this thread to bed and stop ripping sh!t out of each other, its getting tedious now,CANT YOU JUST AGREE TO DISAGREE AND EVERYONE JUST STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and talk about something else!!!!!!!.
Apologies to regular members here's, I've not really got off to a good start. I'll say no more on the subject, if anyone want to take it further, perhaps they cam PM me. :smiley:
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Good call Phil, arguing over the illegality of headlights and other parts is quite different to just ripping into people's opinions with no reason, and angling the forum towards a personal slanging match seems to be outside the scope of the forum.
Anyone remember that they have a vested interest in Golf Gti's??
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You tend to do all the telling, not asking, you and your Gimp are a double act, he can only ask how much and how fast. oh sorry he did ask in a post "how good is the MK5 security"
WTF are you on about. I thought I got a ticking off for the tone in one of my earlier posts, but at least I was man enough to apologise. You are now trying to bring something to this thread, from someone else, and trying to blame me - FFS, grow up, did you ever go to school, or were you the runt of the litter? :sick:
Well String, how and long comes to mind.
Why, you wanna hang yourself?
So far all you have done is talk, let's see your photo of a mk5 dipped beam light pattern with standard Halogens, lets see you actual evidence of after market Xenon's blinding someone.
WTF do you want me to do, apart from "talk"??? Sing, do a dance, a trapeze act, juggle some balls, create some Tracy Emin art work, build a lighthouse . . . . how much deeper are you gonna dig your own hole?
Look you idiot - you were the dick-head that posted the pictures, you are the dick-head that has systematically REFUSED to answer any of the valid concerns raised here. Yes, they mainly have originated from me (but not all), but every other contributor to this thread has supported my points of view and issues, and have consistantly challenged yours. But you just cannot be arsed to answer ANYBODY here in a civilised manner, giving them the answers to those questions raised. Why - I'll tell you why, you know you are in the wrong, but you are not man-enough to stand up and be counted.
So f**k OFF :sick:
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Dont you think peeps, we can put this thread to bed and stop ripping sh!t out of each other, its getting tedious now,CANT YOU JUST AGREE TO DISAGREE AND EVERYONE JUST STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and talk about something else!!!!!!!.
Phil I fully agree.
I just want the OP to explain to the group why he thinks it is acceptable to peddle ILLEGAL products, yet when the OP IS challenged on his original post, ducks every single question and starts slagging people off.
Like I said in an earlier post, I you were collecting your daughter or son from school, and some low-life was pushing illegal drugs to them, I'm quite sure you would be pretty annoyed, especially if those same low-life scum kept on coming back, in complete denial that they were doing anything illegal, immoral or dangerous.
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but does the T&Cs forbid spamming, or commercial trading, or dealing in illegal products.
I enjoy a good discussion as much as the next person, but this thread isn't a discussion - it started as a blatant peddle, and the OP hasn't actually "discussed" anything - he just slags everyone else off, and his latest "trick" is to try and play one person off against another - uttlerly deplorable behaviour.
I think the Moderators should see "Creepy Coupe" for what he actually is (look at his posting history!), and de-register him.
Then we could finally put this thread to bed!
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Apologies to regular members here's, I've not really got off to a good start. I'll say no more on the subject, if anyone want to take it further, perhaps they cam PM me. :smiley:
Got a guilt trip?
I don't think your mail box is gonna get very full!
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Good call Phil, arguing over the illegality of headlights and other parts is quite different to just ripping into people's opinions with no reason,
I'm with you all the way on that one.
and angling the forum towards a personal slanging match seems to be outside the scope of the forum.
Yebut - there was only one person who twisted the thread into a slanging match, from what could have been a very reasonable and valid debate. OK, so people may have different opinions, that's human nature, and that is what makes forum like this, along with any other kind of communication, er - interesting. Sadly, another less likeable trait of human nature is to avoid legitimate questions, and merely return with a volley of insults and refusals to accept defeat.
We all, apart from the OP, know the answer to the original post, know the answers to the OPs questions from others, and know why it has become a one-sided slanging match!
Anyone remember that they have a vested interest in Golf Gti's??
Golf whats?? Only kidding - hmm - I think everyone except the OP has a Golf GTI !!!
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Err well I haven't. She's on a ship.....
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Hopefully your ships in motion wantmygti!!!, god i hope for your its not taking a seaside break off the devon coast!!,
sorry bad pun that one.
Can only be 4 or so weeks before she arrives mate!, i bet you cant wait :wink:
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Not wrong Phil - and before the ribbing continues I did check with the stealer that she's not on that ship!
Joking aside, can't see why a ship from Germany (or Belgium or France) to Sheerness would be down Devon way.
Certainly can't wait! Especially as the MR2 is now dearly departed and i'm resigned to walking.... :cry:
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Err well I haven't. She's on a ship.....
Well, we'll let you have honoury <sp?> ownership! Forwarded - aye, seconded - aye, motion carried! :wink:
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OK ,i hate to join the topic of these light conversions, but in this weeks issue of auto express, on page 45, someone has wrote in and asked the question about converting their lights to aftermarket xenons.
And i quote"As HID conversions kits are NOT road legal, not only could using themland you a fine,it could invalidate your insurance too,The reflectors in your headlights have been precisely engineeredto focas light from a normal filemant bulb or specific size and shape,not a HID bulb"
creepy i would serously re-think on keeping yours fitted, in an event of an acident, your risking your insurance being cancelled. i would take this advise my friend, this could seriously bite you in the arse big time. Especially if the old bill pull you for it and the sh!t really will hit the fan
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Good work phil. case closed.
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OK ,i hate to join the topic of these light conversions, but in this weeks issue of auto express, on page 45, someone has wrote in and asked the question about converting their lights to aftermarket xenons.
And i quote"As HID conversions kits are NOT road legal, not only could using themland you a fine,it could invalidate your insurance too,The reflectors in your headlights have been precisely engineeredto focas light from a normal filemant bulb or specific size and shape,not a HID bulb"
creepy i would serously re-think on keeping yours fitted, in an event of an acident, your risking your insurance being cancelled. i would take this advise my friend, this could seriously bite you in the arse big time. Especially if the old bill pull you for it and the sh!t really will hit the fan
Do you know, I have a suspicion in my waters there may be someone in this thread who still won't believe it! :sad: :sad:
Oh, BTW Phil, good work! :nerd: :cool:
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case def closed - just drop it creepy cause you're giving me the creeps. This thread is making me :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick:
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OK ,i hate to join the topic of these light conversions, but in this weeks issue of auto express, on page 45, someone has wrote in and asked the question about converting their lights to aftermarket xenons.
And i quote"As HID conversions kits are NOT road legal, not only could using themland you a fine,it could invalidate your insurance too,The reflectors in your headlights have been precisely engineeredto focas light from a normal filemant bulb or specific size and shape,not a HID bulb"
creepy i would serously re-think on keeping yours fitted, in an event of an acident, your risking your insurance being cancelled. i would take this advise my friend, this could seriously bite you in the arse big time. Especially if the old bill pull you for it and the sh!t really will hit the fan
Phil you have a fair point their, I take on board you comments.
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Phil you have a fair point their, I take on board you comments.
I think Phil, along with myself, and everyone else on this thread who told you what was quoted in AutoExpress, has more than a fair point.
Guilty as charged, yet you still cannot admit, you cannot say your were wrong, and you cannot appologise - you phucking cupid stunt.
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gee thanx TT :wink:
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Right, topic now locked.
I'm sick of seeing this thread die, only to be resuscitated with schoolgirl-esque swiping.
It's safe to say that we have established CC's retro-fit Xenon's are not legal, and clearly CC accepts they are not all he thought they were going to be.
There is no use in contiually re-quoting past posts with no motive other than to continually belittle and berate him.
There are also no grounds whatsoever for questionning the motivations of the original post simply because one or more of you did not 'gel' with the style in which the post was written.
I suggest that if you wish to continue to debate this topic, you do so via private message or outside of this forum.
Now, can we please get back to generating some interesting discussion without the schoolyard antics.
Thank you gentlemen.