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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: Paul-GTI on 14 January 2007, 18:53
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Hi,
Just been down the local VW and noticed that one of the golfs in the showroom had headlight protectors on, and they were only £35!
Their golf had halogen lights, But would it be ok to use them with Xeonons?
Ta.
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You cannot fit the headlamp protectors with Xenon lights - they burn too hot. I ordered the dealer fit protection pack for my car and got a refund for the headlight protectors.
Cass
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Yep, I'm with Cass on that one.
I've been informed the same by my dealer.
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Hmmmm . . . personally, I'm not too sure on this one.
I'm on my fourth car with Xenons (from 3 different manufacturers), and found you get similar speil from all the dealers re the hotness of the Xenons compared to std Halogens. I think is's a load of tosh, having checked the "hotness" of the lenses, and you can check for yourself.
Simply switch on the headlamps on main beam, so that you have the Xenon dip and the Halogen main - then 15-30 minutes later, check the temperature of the polycarbonate outer cover infront of the dip and the main, and I'll be damned if you can notice any difference! :nerd:
My suspicions were confirmed twice from two different manufacturers, firstly Vauxhall, secondly Audi. With the Vauxhall, I asked for some beam benders (noooo - I didn't wish to change the sexual orientation of my luminaires! :kiss:), and was warned not to use stick-ons, or any kind of adhesive tape - instead, they were gonna sell me - yup, you guessed it, headlamp protectors with built in masks for the offset beam.
The second time, with Audi on my B6 S4, exactly the same question, told not to use any kind of stick-on etc - so I said welllllll - what's the answer? :rolleyes: After much head scratching by parts guy, and some looking on their EPC, they said you CAN use standard headlamp protectors OR Xenon unique beam benders, but not both. I duly ordered some beam benders (well, we can't be upseting our garlic munching x-channel neighbours), and a couple of days later, got a call from Audi garage stating they were now in, but I'd have to book into the workshop and have them properly fitted for another £75 on top of the £50 for the parts (FFS !!!). Having coughed profusely to re-direct a tuna sarnie from widpipe to stomach, I told him I'll pick 'em up and fit 'em myself. Later, having picked them up - ha ha - guess what - the bar$tewards stick onto the polycarbonate outer lens with 3M double-sided self-adhesive foam, right infront of the Xenon bulb.
Myth busted, I'd say! :smug:
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Agreed - no prob with xenons and lamp protectors - but they look :sick:
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Agreed - no prob with xenons and lamp protectors - but they look :sick:
Ho yes - fully agree, but I think the OP already made his mind up about the aesthetics - some people have no taste eh! :wink:
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Agreed - no prob with xenons and lamp protectors - but they look :sick:
:sick: I AGREE!!!
Just another quick question...How much for a new Xenon lamp unit?
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Agreed - no prob with xenons and lamp protectors - but they look :sick:
:sick: I AGREE!!!
Just another quick question...How much for a new Xenon lamp unit?
Who knows??
Why, have you broken it? :wink: :wink:
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£6.7 million :wink:
There around the £400 quid mark!
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£6.7 million :wink:
I hope that's for a pair! :rolleyes: :undecided: :wink:
There around the £400 quid mark!
I think this is why the official stealer "line" re not fitting headlamp protectors is a nice little earner for them!
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HID Xenon kits actually use less power than normal halogen bulbs
ive got some fitted on mine and passed MOT just yesterday
if interested have a look on http://www.turborevs.org.uk
can offer discount at £120 for the complete kit
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HID Xenon kits actually use less power than normal halogen bulbs
ive got some fitted on mine and passed MOT just yesterday
if interested have a look on http://www.turborevs.org.uk
can offer discount at £120 for the complete kit
:angry: Erm . . . but your $hit kits are highly illegal, and your so called MoT is clearly not bona-fide, in terms of the testers integrity.
The UK and EU law on Xenon headlamps is perfectly clear. They must have standard fit headlamp washers, and they must have standard fit auto-leveling headlamp beams (which are only fitted OEM when OEM Xenons are fitted).
I hope you advise all your customers, past, present and future, of the illegality of aftermarket HID lamps. I also hope you advise them of the DfT campain regarding the unlawful fitment of these dangerous products, and that MoT testing stations have been advised by VOSA to fail those said vehicles.
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:shocked: didn't know that - thank God I order my Edition 30 with xenons... you didn't pull any punches Teutonic but if you are right - and I think you are - then you wrote the right response. I just hope I don't get on the wrong side of you - ever :grin: :grin:
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i'm sure the almight Doc has said in the past that the rules regarding these bits (the washers for sure) only apply to factory fit items.
For some reason retro fit Xenons don't have to have the waskers etc??
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:shocked: didn't know that - ...
No, that's probably because TurboRevs has been economical with the truth on an epic scale! :angry:
you didn't pull any punches Teutonic but if you are right - and I think you are - then you wrote the right response. I just hope I don't get on the wrong side of you - ever :grin: :grin:
I'm just a pussycat really :laugh:
I'm actualy mega pi$$ed off by the spamming "see you next tuesday". Look at his profile - everyone of his 12 posts have been spam. Did he offer any constructive advice or comment to either the original poster, or the subsequent replys? - No, he simply tried to hijack the thread, with his blatant spamming of illegal products.
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I thought the idea of these forums was to share ideas, technical tips, ownership ideas and experiences, problems and praises of dealers, etc, etc - and with the optional addition of light heated banter. Above all, a two way flow of info - a bit of give and take - but ToastedBolloc&$ :sick: up there just blantantly spams.
:angry: fx/on <rant mode over - goes for a lie down> fx/off :smiley:
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i'm sure the almight Doc has said in the past that the rules regarding these bits (the washers for sure) only apply to factory fit items.
For some reason retro fit Xenons don't have to have the waskers etc??
Nope, that's tosh. I don't wish for the Doc to cast away his white coat :wink: , but he may need to re-examine this difficult patient :nerd:.
It's all to do with Type Approvals, both UK and EU. Any car sold, and subsequently used in the UK has to comply with both Type Approvals - the main legislative framework in the UK is the Construction and Use Regulations (CUR). Basically, certain bits on a car, to comply with the CURs have to have an appropriate "E" approval. These include things like seat belts, tyres, and all vehicle lighting. Both the light assembly, the luminaires (the bulbs, LEDs, HID capsules), and any other item directly relating to the lights (HID ballasts, leveling devices, even the light switch).
There is no exemption to any aftermarket device which replaces the OEM part. If you want to retro-fix HID Xenon headlamps, then every component which required OEM "E" approval, should be replaced with "E" approved parts. There is quite a bit of engineering to introduce two level sensors, the automatic headlamp range ECU, and the headlamp washers, as well as the proper "E" approved headlamp assembly and luminaire. You may be lucky with the headlamp washers, because some "winter pack" options often have them, even on plain halogen lamps.
Any person who uses any motor vehicle on public roads which breaches the Construction and Use Regs does commit an offence under the Road Traffic Act, and can be prosecuted accordingly.
There has been much publicity in some of the trade only press with this specific regard to aftermarket fitment of HIDs, along with the potential penalties. I'm only trying to make people aware of where they stand, law-wise. :wink:
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when I first got my GTI back in Sept, I came on this forum and asked the The Doc about after-market Bi-Xenon's and he politely informed me of the "need" for auto leveling and headlamp washers and if my car didn't have said items, not to fit them. Which I'm glad now I didn't. The law is the law, it might be an ass but its there for a reason, mainly to stop people driving round with the Xenons pointing skywards and blinding us!
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when I first got my GTI back in Sept, I came on this forum and asked the The Doc about after-market Bi-Xenon's and he politely informed me of the "need" for auto leveling and headlamp washers and if my car didn't have said items, not to fit them. Which I'm glad now I didn't. The law is the law, it might be an ass but its there for a reason, mainly to stop people driving round with the Xenons pointing skywards and blinding us!
Well said - thanks for the support 2007 :smiley: :smug: :nerd:
Rgds
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Well Turbo-Revs hasn't said much - in fact he hasn't said anything. Guilty as charged then... :huh:
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I was relying on my ever fading memory so apologies if I was wrong. Never could understand why retro fit would get an easier ride than standrd fit anyway.
Sorry guys!!!
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Well Turbo-Revs hasn't said much - in fact he hasn't said anything. Guilty as charged then... :huh:
Amen. His MoT is either bent, or he took the Xenon bulbs out for the test, then put them back in afterwards.
What really amazes me about his so called kits are the price. He claims he can supply two Xenon bulbs and two Xenon balasts for £120 - ffs, they must be made from PlayDoh - one genuine Xenon bulb costs retail about £120, trade £85-90 - just for fu*&ing bulb!!!! :shocked:
He probably just surfs all car related forums, uses a search for "Xenon", then bosh - spams the bar$teward.
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I was relying on my ever fading memory so apologies if I was wrong. Never could understand why retro fit would get an easier ride than standrd fit anyway.
Sorry guys!!!
No worries, my memory somtimes has the attributes of a sieve too :embarassed:
I notice the Doc hasn't poped in to defend himself :wink: :grin: :laugh: :rolleyes:
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We have been selling these kits for over 2 years now, never ever had even one person come back to say the xenon kits caused the mot to fail, never had one person come back saying the got stopped by police etc so i dont see why your getting uptight, if you dont want it dont buy it, but from my experience we have never had any issues with our xenon kits, as for the price if you fancy paying dealer prices feel free, but our products are of high quality, come down to donny show this weekend if you want to check out our goods or feel free to pop down and visit us in london or Bolton if you ever want to inspect the quality etc....
Sid
http://www.turborevs.org.uk
sales@turborevs.org.uk
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We have been selling these kits for over 2 years now, never ever had even one person come back to say the xenon kits caused the mot to fail, never had one person come back saying the got stopped by police etc so i dont see why your getting uptight, if you dont want it dont buy it, but from my experience we have never had any issues with our xenon kits, as for the price if you fancy paying dealer prices feel free, but our products are of high quality, come down to donny show this weekend if you want to check out our goods or feel free to pop down and visit us in london or Bolton if you ever want to inspect the quality etc....
Sid
http://www.turborevs.org.uk
sales@turborevs.org.uk
TR, do your kits come with burners that fit straight into a MK5 bulb holder socket, or do you have to mod the socket to take them?
Ta
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We have been selling these kits for over 2 years now, never ever had even one person come back to say the xenon kits caused the mot to fail, never had one person come back saying the got stopped by police etc so i dont see why your getting uptight, if you dont want it dont buy it, but from my experience we have never had any issues with our xenon kits, as for the price if you fancy paying dealer prices feel free, but our products are of high quality, come down to donny show this weekend if you want to check out our goods or feel free to pop down and visit us in london or Bolton if you ever want to inspect the quality etc....
Sid
http://www.turborevs.org.uk
sales@turborevs.org.uk
Also do your kits come with an axle fitted sensor which montiors and adjusts the Xenon beam when the car is heavily loaded?
Do you also fit headlamp washers to cars without them?
I ask, as I know an MOT tester who isnt on this forum, who works for a Vauxhall main dealer and he said these kits are illegal.
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We have been selling these kits for over 2 years now,
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