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General => General discussion => Topic started by: ItsHarry on 05 January 2007, 02:30
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I was pondering this last night. It must have been done, what would win?
Straight line drag race.
Time bonus for pedestrians mamed/terrified
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My (now stored) golf would annihilate a standard VR. (until it got towards topend)
But then mine wasn't standard.
The VR can pull strong, and has a extra 30bhp and i cannot remember how much torque to haul it along. So standard against standard the VR would win.
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just depends on which 16v then ay slick? :wink:
i would prob put my money on the vr if it was standard against standard, even though they weigh more there is still a signifiant amount of more power available
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i hope my vr is quicker than a 16v,extra weight and my 20st aside i still reckon itd do a mk2! not ures tho slick,standard to standard! but then mine aint standard so......................... :grin:
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As Slick says. My 9a 16v was quicker until top end. MK2's are less boaty too. :tongue:
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I quite fancy a mark 3 vr6, think i am going to see about getting a 3 door highline next year :cool:
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thats why a lot of people put them in mk2's
i been told they are like a animal in them
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My (now stored) golf would annihilate a standard VR. (until it got towards topend)
But then mine wasn't standard.
Yeah right!
My 35k VR would wipes it's sphinkter in your mk2, and sounds much better that any 4 pot!
I wish I'd kept it now. :cry: :cry:
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Shame you did get rid of it, you would have enjoyed watching me sail off down the pod 1/4 :smiley:
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Shame you did get rid of it, you would have enjoyed watching me sail off down the pod 1/4 :smiley:
Seconded!!!!!!!!
Anyway at the very least a four pot 16v will well out live th vr, mines got 142k on the clock and feels as tight as can be. Alright its had a bit of head work but who hasn't 167bhp and not alot of weight (not to mention handling), me thinks vr6 stands no chance unless you slap a supercharger onboard!!!!
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Shame you did get rid of it, you would have enjoyed watching me sail off down the pod 1/4 :smiley:
I think I just wet myself, I've seen you drive, oh and we all know about Stealth rollers!!
I was pondering this last night. It must have been done, what would win?
Straight line drag race.
VR - No doubt!
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Bah, get the VR6 into a mk2 :grin:
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Shame you did get rid of it, you would have enjoyed watching me sail off down the pod 1/4 :smiley:
I think I just wet myself, I've seen you drive, oh and we all know about Stealth rollers!!
Alternatively you could stop being a c*ck (that's my job) and put your money where your mouth is. Oh no sorry, you can't.
I also have a video that rich (richandhazel) took at bugjam two years ago of me beating a VR in mine. Even with a messed up second gear change.
Edit: also about the stealth rollers comments.... well people keep going back there don't they, RR days, tune ups, the whole shebang. - so aye, they must be f**king awful. :rolleyes:
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My brother has got a 16v mk2 and i got my mk3 vr both are stander ed. We were driving the other day on a great bit of bypass near our houses theres a small roundabout and then it goes onto duel carrage way we both came off the roundabout and floored it. We were neck and neck up to about 70mph and then i started to pull away abit but not buy loads, but as people have said the vr6 has higher topend speed anyway and 3rd gear in a vr really gets you going all the way up to 100mph. I thought i was going to walk all over him and was very surprised how quick the 16v was. My bros old vr6 mk2 would of annihilated both of our cars now though it was a real animal only problem was traction. There was no point in even thinking of putting your foot down in the wet..... :laugh:
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Alternatively you could stop being a c*ck (that's my job) and put your money where your mouth is. Oh no sorry, you can't.
I also have a video that rich (richandhazel) took at bugjam two years ago of me beating a VR in mine. Even with a messed up second gear change.
Edit: also about the stealth rollers comments.... well people keep going back there don't they, RR days, tune ups, the whole shebang. - so aye, they must be f**king awful. :rolleyes:
Hello....Mcfly! Have you read the title of this thread, or were you too busy thinking of naked girls covered in ice cream :tongue:?
I was pondering this last night. It must have been done, what would win?
Straight line drag race.
Time bonus for pedestrians mamed/terrified
He wanted to know what STANDARD car would be the quickest
I know, as I am the owner of a standard Mk2 16v, and I was the owner of a standard Mk3 VR6, the Mk3 VR6 is by far the faster.
And I know alot of people go to the Stealth rolling road days and the suchlike, but alot of comments come back saying they are optimistic, as witnessed at the WRC rolling road day in 2005. :rolleyes:
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and as i stated in the very first post standard to standard the VR would win. 10 points to you for reading that one.
Even if they are "optomistic" i can still trounce them regardless. In which case, they can't be far off now can they.
Naked girls..... ice cream? What you suggesting? :shocked:
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have had shat loads of mk2's 8v's and 16v's i currently run i high miler vr6.. and it dose wipe the @rse off a standard 16v... easy... but alot of its down to drivers... ive wiped some vr6 drivers in my old 16v's... cause they aint slow, and there lighter...best way to sort any arguments is get a standard 16v, a modded 16v, a standard vr6 and a modded vr6... then do the best of 5... get the average modded and unmodded ... job done... but get a driver thats done it loadsa times and reaction time is next to nowt... then both cars if have good drivers there wont be alot in it tbh....
just my 10p's worth... oh yeah my mk3 vr6 track car is going for a mk2 gti... power aint everything... (tell u anything?? lol)
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The pod is one thing but what about a B road???
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just my 10p's worth... oh yeah my mk3 vr6 track car is going for a mk2 gti... power aint everything... (tell u anything?? lol)
did you miss something???
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's true...Straight line isn't everything.
Hmmm, what to buy! Im very bored of my mk3 already, having said that it is a 1.8 GL & handles like a boat...without any form of engine. & it looks pretty crap.
Wheras driving my mates dads mk2 was like being in a go-kart & looked good....
mk2 it is then!
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mk2 it is then!
:afro:
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yea mk2s rule get one, get in, drive, smile!
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All vws make me smile..... :grin:
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unless they are mine and are in pieces :laugh: :sad:
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Standard v standard, vr by miles
Modded v modded, i would still go for the vr :laugh:
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on a B road are you mad???
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wtf? im not going into detail but as gaz said,its all down to driver ability anyway,straight lines are easy but around a track would be interesting! say no engine work but both have sorted suspension,coz thats what the vr lacks! but again standard to standard vr no doubt,get the best of both a mk2 vr! :wink:
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What about mk2 16v vs mk3 16v....isnt that a fairer comparision, mk3 extra weight but 11bhp more...?
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IMO if any of us wanted a car just for speed, we'd all buy scoobies / evos etc, but the whole Golf scene is more than 'How fast?', isn't it???
Personally I'd rather have a standard 1.8 Mk2 16V than a Mk3 2.8 VR6, because IMO it's a better all round car in both driveability and style, and speed wise there's not a massive difference anyway.
A 2.8 V6 should beat a 4-pot 1.8 all day long, otherwise VW seriously messed up.................
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Well i currently have a big wallowy dirty heavy diseasle. So arse to you all. :grin:
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keefusg60 speaks the truth. surely its not all about the straight line speed thing or we would all roll in big jap cars? I own a late mk2 16v, but the vr6 would be a winner on the drag strip.
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B road both standard suspension and engines with the stig driving both (there might be more they dont quite know how he reproduces yt)
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yup your right.... why do you think the vr6 is going this week for a mk2 gti as my track car and ive just bought a tricked up toyota mr2 turbo for my er... drive to work and santapod toy......
lol...
best of both worlds... niether are as fast as me bike though :tongue: mind you bet the mr2 is only a sec or 2 behind.... but the mk2 will out handle all of em round a track... well with me in control anyways...
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yup your right.... why do you think the vr6 is going this week for a mk2 gti as my track car and ive just bought a tricked up toyota mr2 turbo for my er... drive to work and santapod toy......
lol...
best of both worlds... niether are as fast as me bike though :tongue: mind you bet the mr2 is only a sec or 2 behind.... but the mk2 will out handle all of em round a track... well with me in control anyways...
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8v or 16v gaz?
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like who cares??? theyre both slow, ive owned them both and various other cars!! :P
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Well probably the people who reply to this thread care Bunter......... :huh:
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like who cares??? theyre both slow, ive owned them both and various other cars!! :P
wow... thats so interesting. who gives a $hit?
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like who cares??? theyre both slow, ive owned them both and various other cars!! :P
wow... thats so interesting. who gives a $hit?
:grin: :lipsrsealed:
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Someone asked about mk2 16v versus mk3 16v and having owned both (un-modded) I think I'll throw my 10p in.
The Mk2 16v is great fun, sticks to the road better than the Mk3 and although the Mk3 has slightly more power, it is a heavier car, so the extra power is taken up shifting the extra weight.
If you want comforts and mod cons, have a Mk3, if you want a fun drive, get a Mk2.
As for a head to head 1/4 mile, it would be close, but round a track, the Mk2 would win.
I have been thrashing around in an Alfa Romeo 156 with a 2.0 16v Twinspark engine, which has 155bhp. It's good for motorway cruising, and blasting away country roads. But it's not as chuckable or as fun as the old Mk2 16v.
I'll be back in a Dub this month though as the car has lived up to the reputation of poor reliability and durability.
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they say you are not a proper petrol head until you have owned an alpha, at least know you can tick that box so to speak :wink:
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This is even more pointless then the 8V Vs 16V thread.....even if i did pull on Dubdudes 16V through hatfield tunnel :grin: :laugh:
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8v or 16v gaz?
8v im afraid, yeah powers no where near the vr... (even though it is damn nippy for an 8v :wink: ) but it out handles it times 10...... lol...
like who cares??? theyre both slow, ive owned them both and various other cars!!
good for you mate.... ive owned about 4 of each and probably 200 other cars.....
but im still rollin and always come back to a mk2 in the end.... nuff said :cool:
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isnt this the most pointless topic?? :laugh: comparing standard v standard in a straight line race?
even if you knew nothing about cars and just looked at the standard manufactures performance figures you can see a VR6 is clearly the faster car.
why would a 2.8/9 VR be slower than a 1.8 16v - yes it is surprisingly close until you head into triple figures but it is clear to anyone that a VR has PLENTY more top end power and speed. and yes i have 16v a 1.8 an a 2.0 an i know ppl who own 2.8s an 2.9 VRs.
if the original question had been, on track X which would do the fastest lap then yes that has some relevence and would be worthy of discusion- bigger car bigger engine an worse handling vs lighter car smaller engine an better handling.
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pointless yes... but makes a good old read and dosnt do any harm....
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And it lets people voice there opinions and thats the idea of a forum... :smiley: