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General => General discussion => Topic started by: Stu-dub on 13 November 2006, 14:55
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Having been a aircooled dub fanatic as my playthings for 17 years, I've finally gone from tuned Honda cars as dailys to Golfs. (Much better scene than the hondas, its all a code of what you HAVE to do to be cool, lots of attitude etc)
Anyway, I know the ins and outs of a ducks bottom when it comes to my aircooled bugs etc, but this watercooled jargon........ :laugh: :undecided:
Whats an Edition 1 and Campaign in MK1's and 2's for example.
If someone could clarify that and then any other jargon used in the scene that you may think would help other newbies like me then please add them in.
I feel like I need to get up to speed and know a bit about the new found obsession!ÂÂÂ
Cheers,
Stu
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Having been a aircooled dub fanatic as my playthings for 17 years, I've finally gone from tuned Honda cars as dailys to Golfs. (Much better scene than the hondas, its all a code of what you HAVE to do to be cool, lots of attitude etc)
Anyway, I know the ins and outs of a ducks bottom when it comes to my aircooled bugs etc, but this watercooled jargon........ :laugh: :undecided:
Whats an Edition 1 and Campaign in MK1's and 2's for example.
If someone could clarify that and then any other jargon used in the scene that you may think would help other newbies like me then please add them in.
I feel like I need to get up to speed and know a bit about the new found obsession!
Cheers,
Stu
Edition1's I believe are the original G60's - all left hand drive and a bit of a beast
Campaign's - are a myth, people advertise their cars as a campaign to get a bit of extra money but vw never actually made a campaign model - the cars usually referred to as campaign's are the last ones vw sold and were fitted with all the options as standard, basically to get rid of them as the newer mark was already available you're better off looking for a good condition example rather than worrying about all this campaign nonsence :wink:
What you want is a Mk1 with a mk2 16v engine, then turbo the bugger :evil: thats my game plan :smug:
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mk2 campaigns - do exist - came out in 1988, all small bumpers with rainbow interior & half tint rear lights, and 14" le Castellet alloys. owners handbook says 1 in a million on it
reverted back to normal spec in 1989 before big bumper version was introduced in Aug 89
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and mark 1 campaigns do exist, they were the A reg 1.8's that came with the MFA and leather look stiched doorhandles and other bits and bobs I dont know about.
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edition 1's weren't just g60's either.
any of the 'edition' mk2's were for the german market and usually had electric recaro's and a few extra treats as standard. there is edition 1, which i think were only in aubergine and metallic black. there was edition blue, which came with blue interior, carpets etc.... might be wrong on all this but you get the point.
g60 is a supercharged engine, the 'g' standing for g-lader, what vw called their supercharger and the '60' is for 160bhp.
sure there is more to know but i've got a fuzzy head on!
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i always thought the 60` Part was the centre bore or a measuremeant to do with the supercharger ,
the polo G40 was so because the the certain measurement was smaller
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polo g40 was 140bhp....
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theyre not that much, theyre only about 112bhp arent they? only a 1.3 remember
EDIT: 116bhp
http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=16236&Volkswagen
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a 1.3 supercharged, i'm 99% sure i'm right, but will admit i'm wrong if you can prove it!
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http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=16236&Volkswagen :wink:
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yep just checked myself!! i am wrong!! and to be honest i'm a bit dissapointed!
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check the bhp per tonne on that 161! I never realised the only weighed 720kg's
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even i knew that! only cos i have the 1.3 gt like.. :laugh:
yeah neaty..hence me thinkin sh!t and shovel wen i talk about changin me engine.. :wink:
the campaign and stuff.. http://www.vw-one.co.uk/hello.htm
n mk1 stuff... http://www.vwgolfmk1.org.uk/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=9&page=1
Dinx :kiss:
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i always thought the 60` Part was the centre bore or a measuremeant to do with the supercharger ,
the polo G40 was so because the the certain measurement was smaller
you are correct
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even i knew that! only cos i have the 1.3 gt like.. :laugh:
yeah neaty..hence me thinkin sh!t and shovel wen i talk about changin me engine.. :wink:
the campaign and stuff.. http://www.vw-one.co.uk/hello.htm
n mk1 stuff... http://www.vwgolfmk1.org.uk/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=9&page=1
Dinx :kiss:
aye, see what you mean like!
I wouldnt mind one actually but they arent cheap are they
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and they rot!
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the doors are thinner than carboard too
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some gt's arent..
and mine is solid.. never heard of them rotting..
Dinx :kiss:
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edition 1's weren't just g60's either.
Am i right in thinking they came in 8 and 16 valve as well as the charged 8v? And dont forget the rallye which is the wide arched, rectangular lighted monster with a G60 lump in it too.
After 18 months on the scene Iv only just scratched the surface of vw knowledge. Once you start its amazng what you pick up though. One day Il be a proper :nerd:
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edition 1's weren't just g60's either.
Am i right in thinking they came in 8 and 16 valve as well as the charged 8v? And dont forget the rallye which is the wide arched, rectangular lighted monster with a G60 lump in it too.
After 18 months on the scene Iv only just scratched the surface of vw knowledge. Once you start its amazng what you pick up though. One day Il be a gibby
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That's a bit cheeky mix ! :laugh: I cheat and get all my info from a book, the real geeks in here are jv, Dizzie and a sprinkling of topher when he can be @rsed ! :grin:
i am wrong!! and to be honest i'm a bit dissapointed!
I've got to say that I had to laugh at this bit though ! :laugh:
So what was the question then ? :laugh:
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i am wrong!! and to be honest i'm a bit dissapointed!
I've got to say that I had to laugh at this bit though ! :laugh:
And I am totally amazed at that! :grin:
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what amazed that i was wrong?! man i'm always wrong about stuff, far too trusting! i'm such a dick though i'm sure several people told me thats why they were g60 & g40, and considering i've re-built a few you'd think i'd have found out the real reason!!
i was more dissapointed the g40's weren't 140bhp not that i was dissapointed i was wrong... i don't give a crap about that!! :laugh:
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The G40 and G60 names referred to the depth of the superchargers operating chamber in millimeters and the G60 Ralleye and G60 engines are different, the G60 is a 1781 cc and the charger is driven at 1.6 times crank speed. The G60 Ralleye is a 1763 cc and the charger is driven at 1.7 times crank speed and yes I am a anorak :undecided: :embarassed:
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what amazed that i was wrong?! man i'm always wrong about stuff, far too trusting!
No surprised you came out and admitted it! :wink: :laugh:
But good on ya mate!
And def get ya on the trusting bit! Same with me.
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That's a bit cheeky mix ! :laugh: I cheat and get all my info from a book, the real geeks in here are jv, Dizzie and a sprinkling of topher when he can be @rsed ! :grin:
I was meaning that he would lose all his hair and wear pink shirts :P :laugh:
Sorry, was the first name that came to mind :laugh:
But JV is the thuper geek at all this :nerd:
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Only reall men can wear pink shirts! eh Gibby! :laugh:
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Only reall men can wear pink shirts! eh Gibby! :laugh:
So you tell me. :wink: :kiss:
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Oh god not kisses again! help!
:laugh:
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The G40 and G60 names referred to the depth of the superchargers operating chamber in millimeters and the G60 Ralleye and G60 engines are different, the G60 is a 1781 cc and the charger is driven at 1.6 times crank speed. The G60 Ralleye is a 1763 cc and the charger is driven at 1.7 times crank speed and yes I am a anorak :undecided: :embarassed:
Thats good knowledge. So is the rallye faster then? or am i opening an oversized can of killer worms?
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I think the reason the Rallye's charger spins a bit quicker is to make up for the smaller capacity of the engine...which was only smaller due to homologation (sp?) purposes as VW wasn't allowed to use the 1781cc engine in that class of Rallying.
Pretty sure they produce the same power as the G60 tho.
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ooooh, suppose that makes sence. Makes you wonder why they didnt use the smaller engine in the g60's though doesnt it.
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The G40 and G60 names referred to the depth of the superchargers operating chamber in millimeters and the G60 Ralleye and G60 engines are different, the G60 is a 1781 cc and the charger is driven at 1.6 times crank speed. The G60 Ralleye is a 1763 cc and the charger is driven at 1.7 times crank speed and yes I am a anorak :undecided: :embarassed:
Thats good knowledge. So is the rallye faster then? or am i opening an oversized can of killer worms?
ah i was sure that one of the G60 engines were 1763cc, but didnt realise it was the Rallyes.
thanks for confirming that uruk hai
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Urak hai for president....i mean writing a knowledge database for the site.... :P
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i thought they used a smaller capacity block due to cooling issues between the bores ?
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Don't forget the Mk2 Limited's and the G60 Fire & Ice models too!
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Golfpro just to answer your question about the performance of the different models here's the figures according to VW ...........
MKII GTI 8V:- 112 bhp at 5500 rpm
          114 lb/ft torpor at 3100 rpm
          0 - 60 8.3 seconds
          Top speed 119 mph
MKII GTI 16V:- 139 bhp at 6100 rpm
           123.5 lb/ft torque at 4600 rpm
           0 - 60 7.9 seconds
           Top speed 130 mph
MKII GTI G60:- 160 bhp at 5680 rpm
           165 lb/ft torque at 3800 rpm
           0 - 60 8.3 seconds
           Top speed 134 mph
MKII Ralleye Golf G60:- 160 bhp at 5680 rpm
                166 lb/ft torque at 3800 rpm
                0 - 60 7.6 seconds
                Top speed 130 mph
MKII G60 Limited:- 210 bhp at ?
             186 lb/ft toque at ?
             0 - 60 7.4 seconds
             Top speed 143 mph