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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: waddler on 24 October 2006, 19:55
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Was set on a manual GTI but after reading posts on here am tempted by DSG. I'll try and get a test drive at the weekend. Those of that have tried what are the pro's and cons?
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too many positives about dsg, great system, manual slower, you have to use your left foot !!!,car doesnt have same appeal in my opinion. you will love it
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If you like autos buy the dsg!
If you like manuals buy the manual!
It really is that simple!
PLUS the Bugatti Veyron - the ultimate car IMHO has a DSG 'box :wink:
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I was in exactly the same position waddler. I was set on a manual but tested a DSG just out of interest. I really couldn't decide for ages and had a few debates on here. Most people do tend to favour the DSG system on here and as an automatic it is awesome. At the end of the day, this is my only car (unlike some rather lucky Docs out there...!) and I couldn't live with an auto 24/7, so I'm still getting the manual.
Like Doc says both transmission are excellant and do what their supposed to brilliantly, you just need to decide if YOU are a manual or auto driver. Maybe think about the type of driving you do too, I'd be in an auto if I did a lot of city driving or a long commute, but I don't and I enjoy using my left foot!
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Can't say fairer than that Doc!
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Agreed mate - its all down to the type / hours / conditions and your own personal preference :wink:
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It's a very personal thing DSG!
My misses loves it and will kick me in the nuts at the any mention of a lack of real control and manuals offer more feedback lol.
Personally and I say PERSONALLY i would prefer a manual. More control, no stutter on roundabouts, hold the rev limiter blahblahblah....
But when i can't be bothered or know i'll be sitting in traffic, there's nothing better than DSG to chill you out :smiley:
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Thanks Guys. It's looking like a manual but i'll let you know post test drive. My main car is an X5 Auto which will do the commute and the GTI is the fun 2nd car. In normal conditions i prefer manuals but quite liked the idea of the paddle shift but given is a grand more..................
Also any idea what the impact is on residuals DSG vs Manual. I guess you dont get your money back?
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I had an Audi multitronic before my GTI which was a company car. The auto is great on the motorway and in traffic. Bought my own GTI and would have had DSG if I had another £1300 or whatever, but I went with the manual. Most times it's fine but traffic tonight was an utter pig - 1.5 hours in jams to do 20 miles and my left leg is killing me :sad:
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On the current used cars the DSG's do carry a premium of some degree over the manuals from what i've seen. Whether they will once they are 3+ years old I'm not so sure. And you still have to find another £1330 now no matter what!
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did i read somewhere that the DSG Gearbox is fitted in the bugatti veyron, now if that box can handle 1001bhp, im pretty sure the gti's bhp is no problem. You are right about dsg's are worth more then manual ones, also volkswagen do actually say they sell MORE dsg's then manuals.
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did i read somewhere that the DSG Gearbox is fitted in the bugatti veyron, now if that box can handle 1001bhp, im pretty sure the gti's bhp is no problem. You are right about dsg's are worth more then manual ones, also volkswagen do actually say they sell MORE dsg's then manuals.
I think the Veyron has a hand made English unit doesn't it?
As to VW selling more DSG's than manuals?!?! It's a sign of the times, people are getting fatter and more lazy LOL :grin:
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Strangely, i read that Audi are not using the DSG box for the up coming R8....???
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The DSG 'box in the veyron can take far, far more power than the DSG 'box fitted to the golf etc :shocked:
Its also around twice the size in every dimension but works in the exact same way and has 7 speeds :wink:
The VW group are working on a 7 speed 'box for the Golf etc as we speak / type :smiley:
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Just a Manual?????
Lovely looking motor IMO  :cool:
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RE: Veyron DSG 'box
The power generated in the engine is transferred to the flange-mounted direct manual gearbox (DSG). The torque and speed is then transmitted, through the gearing of seven forward and one reverse gear, via a universal drive to the front axle gearbox and via a second universal drive, along the right side of the engine to the rear axle gearbox. Both the DSG and both axle gearbox housings are of lightweight aluminum construction. The drive power is distributed to the front and rear axles by means of a Haldex coupling, an actively-controlled multi-disk, inter-axle lock directly connected to the front axle gearbox. The following front axle differential distributes the power to both front wheels. In the rear axle differential the power is distributed to the rear wheels via a bevel gear and a further differential. In addition, an actively-controlled, hydraulically-actuated, multi-disk differential lock is installed here. When necessary, it prevents speed differences between the rear wheels and ensures optimum directional stability when accelerating and when cornering under load. All load distribution functions are completely automatic and are undetected by the driver.
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OK drove the 2 back to back and no further forward. Drove the DSG and thought I will take it. Good to be able to change gear with fooot flat to the floor with no lift of.
Then i drove the manual and the car which just felt quicker and more lively.........
BTW put down 500 quid for a 30th anniversary model.
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Is your head wrecked m8? :laugh:
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Pretty much I mean how hard can it be to make up your mind. Given i stumped the cash gonna see if i can squeeze a day in each out of the dealer to decide. Good test of VW customer service.
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Agreed!
At the end of the day if your going to part with your hard earned then its the best route!
I loved the little missfire thingy in between gear changes on the loan GTI DSG I had when my badly fitting rear shelf GTi was being "retified (F11CKED UP)" :wink: by my stealer.
After that I couldn't wait to get into my own DSG motor!
Plus a couple of free days in a fun GTi is not a bad thing :grin:
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Just to add my thoughts.
I have just ordered a new Gti with DSG,
I was initially undecided about whether to get a Gti or R32 & was intent on a manual having driven them all my life. As I had test driven a manual Gti and the local dealers only had a DSG R32 available I gave it plus a DSG Gti a spin. Unfortunately only a short test drive in both but I was pretty much blown away with the system really smooth auto mode & amazing manual shifts.
I know it will take a little getting used to and maybe wont give you all the controll and sensations of a manual, but a manual likewise will not give me the sensations and feeling of this wonderfull system.
As ever it's a personal choice!!! Only you can make the final decision. best of luck with that and whichever you choose You'l end up with a cracking car that will definitely make you :grin:
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I've also swayed to the dsg side again! After driving 60 miles last night (razorlight, plymouth), i find my left foot always hovers over the clutch, whether i need to use it or not, it's just a habit i can't get rid of. And it aches after a while. And i do love the paddle shift buttons. But if i opt for dsg, i don't think i can afford the edition 30 that's coming out soon :cry:
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Mabster,
Why not import a Gti ? recently ordered through a broker and depending on final exchange rates looking at a saving circa £4,000. Of which £15,000 is earmarked for a remap & suspension tweaks. therefore I end up with a brand new Gti which will outperform Anniversary edition and save a good few Pound's in the process.
Realize this is not the route for everyone & depends on your attitude to risk re: possible warranty issues but seems a no brainer to me :)
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Why not import a Gti ? recently ordered through a broker and depending on final exchange rates looking at a saving circa £4,000. Of which £15,000 is earmarked for a remap & suspension tweaks.
Ooop's £1500 earmarked for mod's :grin:
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DSG is the one to go for. You have all the benefits of an auto in traffic and faster shifts with the paddles when you want some fun. When I test drove a DSG for the first time I was totally blown away by it. It feels so much quicker and smoother, you get to play with launch control and you get more mpg. What more could you ask for? Just have a look at the video on youtube if you want further proof
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmMNRQ1GJ3o