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Title: mk3 heavy...
Post by: Cupra Turbo on 19 December 2003, 00:12
ok... just to clear this whole

mk2 is light compared to the mk3.

mk3 = 1250 (ish...depending on engine)
mk2 = 1150 (ish...depending on engine)

... 100 is the difference... alot of fuss over 100 (i forgot the measurement)
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Post by: Daz... on 19 December 2003, 00:14
it's kg.

i suppose it is a lot of fuss. as long as the cars are all a laugh to drive who cares which one hits 60 quickest  ???
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Post by: Cupra Turbo on 19 December 2003, 00:15
well I had either kg or lb in my head... its late, im tired.  :P


... yes 100kg is alot of fuss... and the mk3 is hella better built.

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Post by: modulater on 19 December 2003, 00:16
might be tonnes, could even be old ma's knickers.

probably Kilograms.
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Post by: Daz... on 19 December 2003, 00:16
but the mk2 looks sooo much better..
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Post by: Cupra Turbo on 19 December 2003, 00:17
your ma's knickers??? ... she had a thong on last night.  :-*


HAHAHA j/k
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Post by: Daz... on 19 December 2003, 00:17
she ain't wearing none tonight.. ;D
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Post by: Cupra Turbo on 19 December 2003, 00:17
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but the mk2 looks sooo much better

...?

I had a pair of shoes that came in a similar shaped box.  :D
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Post by: Cupra Turbo on 19 December 2003, 00:18
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she ain't wearing none tonight..

My appointment aint till later on  :D
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Post by: Daz... on 19 December 2003, 00:19
second in the line then.. like the mk3 against a mk2 :D
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Post by: modulater on 19 December 2003, 00:20
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she ain't wearing none tonight..

My appointment aint till later on  :D

whats that with the fat bird out of pop idol?
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Post by: Cupra Turbo on 19 December 2003, 00:21
She was leaking.  ;)
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Post by: Daz... on 19 December 2003, 00:21
that's a big leak! :o
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Post by: Cupra Turbo on 19 December 2003, 00:22
Shes handy to have in a fire.
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Post by: Daz... on 19 December 2003, 00:23
I'd chuck her on it to smother it. Should cover any house ;)
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Post by: Cupra Turbo on 19 December 2003, 00:25
Yeah she can create one helluva draft by waving her arms its the flabs of skin under her pits that do it... there like giant seal flippers
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Post by: Daz... on 19 December 2003, 00:27
she'd be useless in a swimming pool.. it'd just be her sat in the bottom whilst the waters f*cked off elsewhere
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Post by: Cupra Turbo on 19 December 2003, 00:28
shes a seal... there good swimmers...


OMG HOW OFF TOPIC ARE WE???  ::) ::)
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Post by: golfvr6 on 19 December 2003, 00:29
Shes got stunning looks too, enough to crack any mirror

 :D
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Post by: Cupra Turbo on 19 December 2003, 00:30
Lets not talk about her gaping crack.

oh... u werent... nevamind
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Post by: golfvr6 on 19 December 2003, 00:30
it's kg.

i suppose it is a lot of fuss. as long as the cars are all a laugh to drive who cares which one hits 60 quickest  ???

I didn't know the 8v could make it to 60

Ho Ho  :D
Title: Re:mk3 heavy...
Post by: Daz... on 19 December 2003, 00:30
i couldn't even make up a way of getting from golfs to the fat bird on pop idol. it's just not right
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Post by: Cupra Turbo on 19 December 2003, 00:33
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I didn't know the 8v could make it to 60

I didnt realise the VR6 was the idea from a competition run my VW for girls aged 5-13 in 1991 and was won by the fat bird off pop idol...

nice fat? phat? car
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Post by: Daz... on 19 December 2003, 00:34
 :) :)
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Post by: Cupra Turbo on 19 December 2003, 00:36
...

cant beat a bit of smily

 :)
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Post by: Daz... on 19 December 2003, 00:37
my thoughts exactly :) ;D :) ::)
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Post by: Cupra Turbo on 19 December 2003, 00:49
ok boys now behave while im gone... i gotta grab sum kip...

ciao - Daz

ciaobella - VR6 ...  :-*
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Post by: Daz... on 19 December 2003, 00:50
is that the time?

i gotta get up at 5. damn.

c ya all later!  ::)
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Post by: Cupra Turbo on 19 December 2003, 00:52
damn Im still here....

ciao
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Post by: Daz... on 19 December 2003, 00:54
 ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Post by: golfvr6 on 19 December 2003, 01:04
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I didn't know the 8v could make it to 60

I didnt realise the VR6 was the idea from a competition run my VW for girls aged 5-13 in 1991 and was won by the fat bird off pop idol...

nice fat? phat? car

Your car is just as fat just minus about 60bhp  ;)
Title: Re:mk3 heavy...
Post by: Cupra Turbo on 23 December 2003, 00:01
58Bhp!!!

get it right  ;D
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Post by: golfvr6 on 23 December 2003, 00:08
59bhp actually  ::)
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Post by: Cupra Turbo on 23 December 2003, 01:04
115bhp vs 173?
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Post by: golfvr6 on 23 December 2003, 11:12
Vr6 AAA lump is actually 174bhp as standard  :)
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Post by: Cupra Turbo on 23 December 2003, 15:16
Lump....

couldnt have said it better myself.

 ;D
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Post by: Overseer on 23 December 2003, 16:58
whats in the 8v.. a "lu".. lol...
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Post by: golfvr6 on 23 December 2003, 19:00
Lump....

couldnt have said it better myself.

 ;D

Would you say 'no' to one then?  :)
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Post by: Cupra Turbo on 23 December 2003, 22:59
Yep. Cos I plan on buying a more modern car... moving away from the mid 90's era and moving toward W - 51 plate cars. (2000-2001) .. maybe consider a mint 1999 T/V plate.  ;)
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Post by: golfvr6 on 23 December 2003, 23:11
Still its a bit silly to try and put down a vr6 when you only own an 8v.
That would be like me putting down an Audi S4.
 ::)
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Post by: Cupra Turbo on 23 December 2003, 23:43
I was kinda doing it as a laugh....

Id take a VR6... if someone would pay the insurance for me.

PS: But I still love my GTI badge over the VR6 badge.
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Post by: golfvr6 on 23 December 2003, 23:46
Well i did drive veedubgti8v's mk2 8v yesterday, its not bad. Probably very similar to the mk3.
Problem is i haven't had anything else except valvers and a vr6 for the last 4 years.
Thats the thing, if ya owned a few fast cars, the 8v wouldn't seem very quick anymore. I don't even think my vr6 is that quick now, just get used to the extra performance and want MORE.  :D
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Post by: Cupra Turbo on 23 December 2003, 23:51
Well Ive actually drove alot of cars, (cos've my sister being a car sales person) and the 8v is quicker than a Zetec 1.8 Focus.

same bhp
Title: Re:mk3 heavy...
Post by: Bodhi on 24 December 2003, 19:03
Audi S4? Pah. Give me an M3 any day of the week. Oversteer is your friend :)
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Post by: golfvr6 on 24 December 2003, 19:05
If i remember rightly the new m3 went up against the new s4 on top gear. The s4 was the fastest round the track  :-*
The quattro cars are some of the best handling cars in the world.
Title: Re:mk3 heavy...
Post by: Bodhi on 24 December 2003, 19:09
Autocar tested the two round a track also. The M3 was 2 seconds faster in the dry if I remember correctly, and 5 seconds on a wet track believe it or not. I didn't until I saw the explanation - the heavy V8 in the front of the S4 means that in the wet, the nose washes wide far in advance of the M3, meaning that despite the S4's traction advantage, the M3 can nail it round wet bends.

Until they sort out the understeer and lifeless steering, the S4 will always be inferior to the M3 as a driver's car imo. Plus, it's got half a McLaren F1 engine :D :D :D
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Post by: golfvr6 on 24 December 2003, 19:13
Well the S4 was definately faster on top gear. I would prefer the rs4 or rs6, where would that leave the m3?
answer - miles behind
hehehe  :D
Title: Re:mk3 heavy...
Post by: golfvr6 on 24 December 2003, 19:15
Audi RS6

0-60   4.5 secs
0-124 17.5 secs

 :-*
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Post by: Bodhi on 24 December 2003, 19:16
Well if you're going to bring the RS models into it............



I'll have an M3 CSL. Or the upcoming M5 with a 500bhp V10. Now you're talking.
Title: Re:mk3 heavy...
Post by: Bodhi on 24 December 2003, 19:22
M3 CSL


0-60 4.2 seconds
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Post by: golfvr6 on 24 December 2003, 19:27
Not bad. I think the m3 and rs models are both sh!t hot. My wife wants an m3 in estoril blue. I just prefer the audi.
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Post by: golfvr6 on 24 December 2003, 19:38
M3 CSL


0-60 4.2 seconds


Er no, the 0-60 is actually 4.9 secs
0.2 slower than the Audi RS6  ;D

courtesy of BMW.com
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Post by: Bodhi on 24 December 2003, 21:00
evo list the CSL at 4.2

this website has it at 4.3

http://www.cars-cars-cars.org/0-60-Times-Calculator.htm


tis faster. :)
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Post by: Cupra Turbo on 24 December 2003, 22:15
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M3 CSL


0-60 4.2 seconds

isnt the McLaren F1 quoted at 3.9secs.....and the Porsche GT3 quoted at 4.2secs

U saying the M3 can keep with a Porsche 911 GT3?
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Post by: Bodhi on 25 December 2003, 02:44
McLaren F1 does it in 3.2. The GT3 is around 4.1 iirc. But, again, according to Autocar, if the road is smooth enough, a CSL will keep pace with just about anything, including a GT3 and a 360CS. It's a ferociously fast car.
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Post by: golfvr6 on 25 December 2003, 12:28
evo list the CSL at 4.2

this website has it at 4.3

http://www.cars-cars-cars.org/0-60-Times-Calculator.htm


tis faster. :)

Er no, the spec is 4.9 secs as listed on BMW website.
www.bmw.com
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Post by: Bodhi on 25 December 2003, 14:46
Manufacturer's figures (except in the case of the Italians) are always at least half a second on the pessimistic side (the Italians do it the other way round). The best source imo for 0-60 times is evo magazine, pretty much the bible as far as performance cars are concerned.

The comparitive 0-60 times according to the bible?

RS4 0-60 4.8 secs
RS6 0-60 4.8 secs

M3 CSL 0-60 4.5secs (4.2 was taken from the preview article)

Don't get me wrong I like Audis, and the RS models are obscene (if only they weren'y bloody estates), but M3's are in another league imo, and the CSL is one of the finest performance cars of all time imo.


Merry christmas anyway tho :)
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Post by: Overseer on 25 December 2003, 14:49
CSL has that silly cardboard boot.. me subs + skateboard would fall right through the floor.. lol
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Post by: golfvr6 on 25 December 2003, 21:45
I wouldn't know as i don't read evo magazine. Infact i don't read any of the boy racer mags.
I do agree that manufacturers performance figures are usually understated. However both bmw and audi state practically identical times for the m3 csl and rs6.
So i think it is unlikely that one is any slower than the other really. I certainly wouldn't claim the m3 is in a different league as in reality the performance is probably pretty much identical to the rs6.
Out of interest, back to the cars we actually can afford to own, what did evo say about the mk3 8v gti?
Happy christmas  :D
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Post by: golfvr6 on 25 December 2003, 22:25
The Audi RS6 is available in saloon and estate versions.
BHP 450  0-60 4.7 secs.
The RS4 is only available as an estate.
BHP 380  0-60 4.9 secs.
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Post by: Bodhi on 26 December 2003, 00:10
evo isn't a boy racer mag in the slightest. It was born from the ashes of Performance Car magazine if you remember that far back, and focuses far more on how a car is to drive than how many bhp you can get a Nova to produce by putting a 10litre quad turbo V12 in the back seat. I'm not entirely sure what their verdict on the GTi 8v Mk3 was, as the data hasn't been retained in The Knowledge.
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Post by: golfvr6 on 26 December 2003, 09:35
Maybe the 8v wasn't fast enough to feature in evo magazine? he he  ;)
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Post by: Bodhi on 26 December 2003, 16:07
No, they just stopped making it before evo was first printed :p
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Post by: golfvr6 on 27 December 2003, 22:59
yep
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Post by: Veedubgt18v on 28 December 2003, 17:54
either way mk3 8v's are slow.......
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Post by: Overseer on 28 December 2003, 18:19
lol  ;D
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Post by: Veedubgt18v on 28 December 2003, 18:31
your car looks tidy overseer   :)
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Post by: Overseer on 28 December 2003, 19:15
thx.. it needs a wash right now.. lol
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Post by: golfvr6 on 28 December 2003, 22:49
Autocar tested the two round a track also. The M3 was 2 seconds faster in the dry if I remember correctly, and 5 seconds on a wet track believe it or not. I didn't until I saw the explanation - the heavy V8 in the front of the S4 means that in the wet, the nose washes wide far in advance of the M3, meaning that despite the S4's traction advantage, the M3 can nail it round wet bends.

Until they sort out the understeer and lifeless steering, the S4 will always be inferior to the M3 as a driver's car imo. Plus, it's got half a McLaren F1 engine :D :D :D

Out of interest , can u scan that article in for me? i can't believe the quattro would have bad road holding. I've driven a couple and they stick to the road like they are super glued.
Autocar website doesn't list the Audi S4 at all.
I watched the race between the S4 and the M3 on top gear so thinking the S4 doesn't grip sounds a bit bollox to me.
Total respect to the M3, still quattro's are cool  ;D
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Post by: Bodhi on 29 December 2003, 17:40
I can't unfortunately, I read it in an Airport Departure lounge when I was waiting for a flight and promptly left it there :(

It's all because of weight distribution with Audis - they still like flinging the engine and transmission overhanging the front axle which, when you get a heavy V8 involved, means that on the limit the nose will wash wide, slowing it down. You won't notice this in everyday driving - in fact all the way up to about 8/10ths it will grip like a motherf**k*r. But if you intend on any track work the M3 will be you best bet every time.

I noticed evo have lap times for both listed in the back, and they agree with Top Gear that the S4 is around 1s a lap faster, however in the stat that matters, the S4 gets 4/5 and the M3 gets a perfect 5, in fact was their pick of its class (including 911's) from its launch until just recently, when a reworked 911 (the C4S) snatched the title back. But that's a whole other discussion :)
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Post by: Veedubgt18v on 29 December 2003, 17:44
technically 911's shouldnt handle like they do cos of that engine way out back but they do  ???

m3's are balanced 50/50 so perfect weight distribution!
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Post by: Bodhi on 29 December 2003, 17:48
Aye, mainly cos Porsche have had 30 years to figure out how to stop the 911 from spitting you off the road if your foot so much as waivers on the power going round a corner. Heaven help you if you tried the brakes in the same situation in an old 911.............
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Post by: Veedubgt18v on 29 December 2003, 17:49
lol!

so many must have ended up in fields.....
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Post by: Bodhi on 29 December 2003, 17:52
I think it is the most written off sportscar of all time. It has to be, in fact.
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Post by: Veedubgt18v on 29 December 2003, 17:55
i would have to agree there!

i wouldnt mind a gt2 tho.....
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Post by: Bodhi on 29 December 2003, 18:05
GT2's are nice. But tbh, the 911 in Bad Boys > all other 911's. Even without cup-holders :)
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Post by: Veedubgt18v on 29 December 2003, 18:08
yeah alrite i will let you win that argument!  :P
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Post by: Bodhi on 29 December 2003, 18:34
yeah alrite i will let you win that argument!  :P

Heh thanks, altho I suspect the one in Bad Boys may well be a GT2, in which case we'll call it a draw :)

It's either that or a Turbo S afaik.
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Post by: glenboy on 30 December 2003, 11:36
I just want to say that the MK3 16V has 30% more power than the 8V so this more than makes up for the extra weight
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Post by: golfvr6 on 30 December 2003, 11:37
Yep and the vr6 has even more  :D
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Post by: golfvr6 on 30 December 2003, 23:03
But if you intend on any track work the M3 will be you best bet every time.

I noticed evo have lap times for both listed in the back, and they agree with Top Gear that the S4 is around 1s a lap faster,
 

You've said it yourself , the audi is faster round the track, even the 'bible' says so.
 :-*
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Post by: kniterider on 30 December 2003, 23:17
sorry the porsche 911 is one of the most 'everyday' supercars on the market and if they didnt change the design for 30years or so then they were onto a good thing dont u think????, it is also an 'icon' in the 'supercar' world if it has been 'stacked' more than any others its because they were more affordable so more people could afford them!!!!, jusst my point ive been a vw (aircooled and water fan for years) and (porsche is my 'fav' brand of supercar) all german all quality all hold values!!!enuff said
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Post by: Bodhi on 02 January 2004, 22:42
But if you intend on any track work the M3 will be you best bet every time.

I noticed evo have lap times for both listed in the back, and they agree with Top Gear that the S4 is around 1s a lap faster,
 

You've said it yourself , the audi is faster round the track, even the 'bible' says so.
 :-*

I never said it would neccessarily be faster round a track (although remember Autocar found it to be faster by quite some margin), I just said, it would be better, as in a lot more fun (always thought that was the point of trackdays, considering none allow racing). However if beating those pesky understeering S4's really is top of your priorities, fit a set of CSL spec semi-slick Michelin Pilot Sport tyres.

kniterider you are correct when you say that the 911 is the most popular supercar, and this does contribute to the high number that get trashed, however up until about 5-8 years ago, the 911 was also the supercar most likely to stick you in a hedge if you got it wrong because of that engine flung out over the back wheels.
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Post by: golfvr6 on 03 January 2004, 00:25
Who cares what Autocar says? i thought evo was the bible?
One of the mags you quoted actually said the steering on the M3 was dull and unresponsive, must depend on what you read.
The S4 obviously grips much better than the M3, as i originally said, but then again thats actually quite obvious, and i didn't need Evo mag to tell me that.
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Post by: Bodhi on 03 January 2004, 18:13
Heh, Autocar just like to think they're the bible :)

Like you say it all depends on what you read. At the end of the day, just about every mag is in agreement that the M3 is a better car. Sounds like a good place to leave it to me.