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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: Matt555 on 05 July 2006, 06:30
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Strange question? You may think so, but it's what I'm thinking at the mo.........
I've been having a sniff around the dealers and found a pretty different and imho cool Boxster S, in yellow with 19" sports wheels also in yellow. Ok, so not to everyones taste but what the hell it's good to be different and original compared to the normal silver or grey :wink:
The thing is I keep looking at the Touregs and love the looks and quality. so as the Golf going in next week I've got the Toureg Demo for the day :cool:
My own thoughts are that the Toureg is going to be chilled and feel like a solid piece of granite, I think I'll want one but the Box S is simply an awesome motor. Both will do about the same MPG allbeit the Toureg would be a diesel, so running costs should be around the same.
what's your thoughts?
Matty
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depends what you'll be using it for. is it an everyday machine or a weekend toy??
though saying that the Boxster, like any other Porsche, is designed to be used everyday....
do a Doc and buy a Phaeton instead!! :cool:
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The phaeton was a thought, but unlike Doc I'm not quite in my 40s :grin: :grin: :wink:
It's an everyday motor now the misses is back driving, I'm normally on the roads at 5 in the morning which is where the Box feels so good :evil: Not so in the middle of winter on fresh powder though :shocked:
So you have a choice, Toureg or Box S? which and why?
Matty
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The 3.0 Diesel would be my choice, although if I could find a second 5.0L diesel I'd have to look :evil:
Such a shame about RR, so many people who i known that have owned them slated the build!!! 50K of pap :sad:
Roll on next tuesday, I think a day trip down to london in the Toureg could be fun :grin: No pressure on the motor but I think it's going to be good, oh and much better for my lanky frame :tongue:
It's like this for me at the mo, we've some money aside for work to be done on the house BUT if the chippy doesn't give us a quote soon I'm going shopping :wink: Well once I've convinced the misses that is :tongue:
What about the Phaeton boss, is an entertainer when you want it to be? Or a luxury cruiser?
Matty
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So you have a choice, Toureg or Box S? which and why?
Box S any day
Sounds like you are just driving the car for yourself, and unless you regularly need to carry 3 or 4 passengers, + shedloads of gear in the boot, while maybe towing a horse trailer, and negotiating some tricky mountain passes, I cannot see any sensible reason to buy such an obscenely big brute as the Toerag - huge thing to park and manouvre, as aerodynamic as a barn, and all for the imperious feeling of sitting up a bit higher than other drivers?  No way.
If fresh powder is a regular occurence where you live (in the UK????), then maybe you need an R32 or Impreza or other 4WD bandit.
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LOL, nice work Alex.... Spoken like a true RWD fella :cool: One of my S2K says exactly the same :smiley:
Having never owned a 4x4 (other than the Q A3) I still fancy getting it out of my system.... And it'll be easier taking the misses shopping :wink: And might even slow me down a bit....... :rolleyes:
Scoob, not whilst they look so flipping ugly! I loved the P1 which i nearly bought last year, but thoughts of using all that power everyday all day scared me silly :shocked: The current Sti is great but sooooo ugly!
The R32 was an option, but that would be for the misses and then I'd have the GTi and add some toys... The R32 just didn't float my boat, lovely sound and 24/7 useage is always good but it didn't get under my skin like the GTi did on it's first drive. Maybe another drive would, or maybe the R36 would.... A white Gti would be sweet, but having matching cars would be so pretty lame :grin:
Of course I may be doing nothing, but it's good to get out and around the showrooms just incase the misses folds on the house plans :wink:
Oh Doc, just remember fella I'm only 33 :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
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what you need is either an Audi S4 (or if you got the cash get the RS4)
or even an RS6; plenty of luggage space for the missus and her shopping and if you get it de-limited enough to do 200mph :cool:
Sorted.
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A chipped RS6 estate would be cool....... never really thought about them..... Nice one....... :cool:
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Sorry dude I thought you were much older than me :grin:
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A chipped RS6 estate would be cool....... never really thought about them..... Nice one....... :cool:
or get the RS6 Plus version. think you got an extra 50-60 horses for your money :cool:
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A chipped RS6 estate would be cool....... never really thought about them..... Nice one....... :cool:
or get the RS6 Plus version. think you got an extra 50-60 horses for your money :cool:
What's the damage on one of those fella? The only thing I don't like about the Audis is the lack of steering feel! Ok the RS4 is much improved, but when i got to see one in the flesh it didn't float my boat :undecided:
My misses seems to be getting a little nervous about my car talk, with good reason I say :grin:
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not sure I'm afraid mate. Just looked on the Trader and there ain't any for sale :sad:
try Audi's website.
IIRC the RS6 plus came with 477bhp and cost around 65K brand new :shocked:
stonking bit of kit though :cool:
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That's nuts! :evil: :evil: :evil:
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Boxsters, much like AudiTT roadsters and the Street 'Ka', are for girls. :lipsrsealed:
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Boxsters, much like AudiTT roadsters and the Street 'Ka', are for girls. :lipsrsealed:
You drive one then fella???????????????????
Maybe you should go drive a Boxster S and then come back and tell me it's a girls car, you may even like it  :wink:
I've owned mine for the last 18 months and I'd never call it a girls car! And I've never been called a girl :kiss: :kiss: :kiss:
Oh I forgot to ask! Why do you think it's a girls car???????????
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The same reason a Phaeton is an old mans car!
X5's are drug dealers cars!
And a boxter is a girls car!
I like the way they drive, but when I see blokes in 'em they look like they've borrowed them of their missus.
So change it to Porsche 911 C4S / TURBO or VW Touareg :wink:
Ps YOUR A GIRL - first time for everything lol :wink:
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So change it to Porsche 911 C4S / TURBO or VW Touareg :wink:
Sorry, but those are clearly all girls cars - 4WD for pansies who can't handle a proper mans car :wink: :grin:
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We have an 05 Boxster (just a gay 2.7) and it is awesome.
IMO a gay hairdresser cars has the looks, but no dynamic abaility - a la Audi TT :smiley:
But under no circumstances should 2 men be seen in a Boxster - or any convertible for that matter. Especially with the hood down!!
ps Matt,
If you love driving A roads for the hell of it and have little need for the room, I'm sure you will soon hate a 4*4 truck. Then again, on the plus side, it will make the GTI seem totally awesome!
There is a lot to be said for driving tanks around to re-adjust your perceptions. Until recently, we made do with an A4 TDI and a Mk4 golf turbo - I'd forgotten what it was to enjoy driving :smiley:
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But under no circumstances should 2 men be seen in a Boxster - or any convertible for that matter. Especially with the hood down!!
PMSL at that one! Imagine when mt brother in law and me cruised through Newquay in the middle of summer last year :shocked: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
I don't know many girls cars that can hit 0-60 in under six and run to 165+mph! But I won't go educating those that don't want to be educated :wink:
My misses wants the C4S, but the 911 running costs can be quite scary when used as a daily runner......
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Oh I forgot to ask! Why do you think it's a girls car???????????
Because the owners get far too defensive about it when you mention it :grin:
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The C4S has to many seats :wink: A GT3 RS would be a nice two seater though :grin:
I love the Box, it's just like my old Integra Type R in it's control and handling finesse....... You boys should get out and drive a 986 Box S and see what you think.... Only the S though as the 2.7 just doesn't have the legs.... Just been reading about the August year change on the Boxsters, 245 bhp 2.7 and 295 bhp 3.4 in the S version! Now that will be tidy and only 25 bhp off a 3 year old C4S :kiss:
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Me too Matt...
The Box had so much of the chuckability of the cars I have most enjoyed in the past (205 1.9, E30 M3, racing Puma and MR2 roadster - yes Mr2... - never had an Integra, but came close once) and the composure and balance of something much more expensive....
Mine is out of date already... How can Porsche justify charging more for the Cayman when the engines are the same??
PS - 987 service schedules are 2 years / 20k and much lower fixed price than the 986. Of course your OPC will still insist your brakes need replacing every time you go within 1 miles of the dealership :angry:
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I like your list of motors charri, what order would you put them in in terms of handling finesse, not owning and everyday usage? Best to worse........
Funny you should mention the brakes, but you forgot to mention the clutch and RMS :angry: :angry: :angry:
The changes Porsche are making to the Boxster from next month take the p155! It's a complete p155 take to all the owners that ordered the latest newest Boxster last year :sad: But I can't wait to drive the 295bhp 3.4 S.... :smiley:
My own list of owned motors in terms of handling and nothing else would be.....
1 = Integra Type R DC2
2 = Boxster S
3 = Golf Gti
4 = 306 GTi-6
5 = Pug 309 SRi
6 = BMW 320D
7 = S2000
8 = Civic type R
9 = Clio 1.4RT
10 = Octavia VRS
11 = A3 3.2 Q
12 = Jag X-Type 3.0L Sport
13 = Laguna
14 = Mk4 2.0 8v Gti Golf
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Even porsche have to move on sometimes.
All manufacturers have to update there engines and specs matey, I dont think Porsche are doing it to p1ss people off they just realised that the 3.2s can have more power so gave it what it deserved...
I always wanted to drive an Integra but it never happed :sad:
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Why didn't you drive an Integra???? Were you to busy at the VW garage?
You can drift the back end out on those babies so easy, and with so much control. They really are all that in the twisties, not to bad on the straights but straights are rather dull IMHO.
I only got rid of mine because at 6'4" and 16 stone it was killing my back on anything other than a short trip.... 15-20 mpg was the norm for me and the TEG, but then it was always sideways :wink:
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Matt,
My favourite car for sheer entertainment (on track and road) was the Ford Racing Puma. Obviously far from the quickest in a straight line, but shed loads of grip, composure, awesome brakes and 'thottle steerability' - which I love. Ultimately a car than inspires that much confidence will end in tears - or a hedge in my case :cry:
A good yardstick of how much you enjoy a car is the tyre wear. My FRP P7000's lasted just 5k on the front...
List is something like this Matt, excluding the crappy Nova SRs and MG Metros I had as a teen. Like you, I have had a ridiculous amount of cars in my 14 years driving (28 now). I get bored too easily, then often regret changing ----- am thinking of your Toureg desires...  :wink: don't do it!!!
1) Racing Puma
2) Boxster
3) MR2 roadster
4) M3 E30
5) Pug 205 1.9
6) Pug 309 1.9 (also had an XSi 1.6 3 dr version of your Sri - let me guess, you bought coz of gp 8 ins too? :smiley:)
7) Puma 1.7
8) 944 S2
9) Various E36 BMWs, M3, M3 evo, 328i
10) Regular 99 Ford Focus Zetec
11) Golf mk4 1.8t
12) Audi a4 TDI
13) Several poo VW's. Mk3 GTi, Mk2 GTi (was a baddy) Bora tdi, mk3 tdi
Based solely on entertainment and enjoyment value. I imagine a MK4 gti (dull as it is) is dynamically more accomplished, more predictable etc than a 205, but what fun.,.,.
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LOL, I thought the FRP would be up there.... I imagine you considered the ITR at the same time as the FRP, I did but went the Honda way :wink:
You've some nice cars in there, I'm surprised the E30 M3 isn't further up though? Was it LHD?
Puma's FRP and Standard are so under rated in terms of finesse and control, I went out in an FRP with a guy that has a wealth of rallying experiance and just couldn't believe the directions it was getting thrown in!!! Great entertainment and many a brown pant moment :shocked:.
I remember a great EVO test back in it's day, where the TEG and FRP were pretty close but the TEG pipped it with just that little bit of extra special rawness. Great article which then had the ITR taking on the might of the P1, awesome....... Of course the P1 won and went to fight the 550 Marranello.... Quality........ :cool: :cool: :cool:
You're propably right about the Toureg, but it's got to be checked over........ Considering I can get 20% discount on all BMW and Mini products it's strange that I don't want one :lipsrsealed:
Matty
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Matt - the E30 was LHD, they all were which is a pain on UK A roads. It was great on track, but the FRP just had the awesome chuckability. The problem with old cars (as per my 944, gti mk2 and e30 M3) is that unless you replace every suspension and steering component, they will really struggle to recapture their former glory. Then even if you do that, the driving experience is tainted by slack driveline etc and the nigglesome worry that if you cane it, you might kill it!!!
I ultimately went for the FRP over the INtegra (back in 2000) because I got a whopping discount which helped overcome its ridiculous list price. Based on test drives, the powerplants were incomparable, the Integra being stonking, the Puma being loud, crackly but limp. Had a slight preference for the Puma drive and feel --- was a hard choice, but no regrets. In fact I looked for a used Frp recently, very cheap now, but a whole pile of expensive problems are being unearthed - like £400 brake discs, regular calliper rebuilds, corroded exhaust / manifolds, rust etc
Both were raw and made lousy motorway cars - dunno about you, but the noise and ride comfort was beyond a joke!!!
Onwards and upwards as they say, but still miss that car. lots of fond memories and just loved the massive lift off oversteer and the way it could be steered on the thottle. Can't help but think a 911 RS is the ultimate grown up FRP / Integra.
Agree about standard Puma having terrific balance and being a super drive. In fact, when I had just the mk4 and the A4, I thought a Ka was an awesome drive down B roads - excellent chassis composure...
So you're Mini Oxford? or engine plant? I am ex PAG, hence the heavily discounted FRP. Not tempted by a Cooper S JC works? that looks like a hoot
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Matt - the E30 was LHD, they all were which is a pain on UK A roads. It was great on track, but the FRP just had the awesome chuckability. The problem with old cars (as per my 944, gti mk2 and e30 M3) is that unless you replace every suspension and steering component, they will really struggle to recapture their former glory. Then even if you do that, the driving experience is tainted by slack driveline etc and the nigglesome worry that if you cane it, you might kill it!!!
And maybe yourself!!! :shocked: The E30 M3 in LHD would make a great car to hold in a collection though :cool: For some insane reason I looked at a proper old school original 3.0L CSL in original orange last year, the thing was stunning and soooo cool but no way would it have made a daily runner in the middle of winter :sad:
I ultimately went for the FRP over the INtegra (back in 2000) because I got a whopping discount which helped overcome its ridiculous list price. Based on test drives, the powerplants were incomparable, the Integra being stonking, the Puma being loud, crackly but limp. Had a slight preference for the Puma drive and feel --- was a hard choice, but no regrets. In fact I looked for a used Frp recently, very cheap now, but a whole pile of expensive problems are being unearthed - like £400 brake discs, regular calliper rebuilds, corroded exhaust / manifolds, rust etc
2000 was when I bought the Integra, I never even thought about Honda until the misses quizzed me about the TEG and I had no answers :grin: The TEG made every trip a track blast, not good for the licence though :wink:
Both were raw and made lousy motorway cars - dunno about you, but the noise and ride comfort was beyond a joke!!!
Nightmare! I used to have to stop for fuel on the way to Cornwall as the TEG tank was tiny :grin: Oh and the back pain from the trip would take the best part of a week to fix itself! But that's not these motors were about, I'd loved to have met a FRP on the same road as the TEG, that woud have made for a great fun drive :cool:
Onwards and upwards as they say, but still miss that car. lots of fond memories and just loved the massive lift off oversteer and the way it could be steered on the thottle. Can't help but think a 911 RS is the ultimate grown up FRP / Integra.
Fantastic memories and one I remember is when the CTR was launched and all the boys thought they were the mutts in the 200bhp hatch only to get wasted on numerous occasions by the might TEG, you'd be so far away on the twisties that they'd never catch you on the straights. That always went down well as most of my buddys had the CTR :cool:
The Box S feels like a grown up TEG, also the GTi. Both being more solid and much much better for day to day life. I really want a Noble, but convincing the misses that the crap badges can be changed still doesn't convince her :wink:
Agree about standard Puma having terrific balance and being a super drive. In fact, when I had just the mk4 and the A4, I thought a Ka was an awesome drive down B roads - excellent chassis composure...
I know what you mean about the Ka, such a laugh and much like a mini one with just the right amount of grip to power ratio to be cheap and fun
So you're Mini Oxford? or engine plant? I am ex PAG, hence the heavily discounted FRP. Not tempted by a Cooper S JC works? that looks like a hoot
Yep sure am, but when you see them being built all day you don't want to go driving one home :wink: it's nice to see something different in the carpark opposed to Beemers and Minis :wink: But the GP1 Mini looks the dogs and goes like stink. maybe the next gen Mini JCS works will float my boat :undecided: But i think I'd rather have two Gti Golf :grin: :grin: :grin:
Matty
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PLUS that was then and this is now - they never drive as good as you remember them to be PLUS look at track times they got on 5th Gear - new transits arn't far off the M3 now!!! :shocked: :wink: :cool:
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PLUS that was then and this is now - they never drive as good as you remember them to be PLUS look at track times they got on 5th Gear - new transits arn't far off the M3 now!!! :shocked: :wink: :cool:
Yeah i saw the 5th gear - the M3 fared particularly badly. But lets face it, it was never that fast to start with. Its well balanced etc. but as an out and out track car is a bit overhyped IMO - as is the 968 CS if its anything like a 944S2, which it is... A Clio 182 will monster most things - and a well driven one nearly always does at trackdays.
What i love about the e30 M3 is the durability (few big bills bar the timing chain) and the looks. I LOVE the boxy wings of the 80's cars - as per Integrale, 944 etc (not G60) rallye though). They just look 'right' in henna red and the 16" BBS wheels.
Matt. If i had the space (and more free £Â£Ã‚£) I'd be looking for
- an Sport Evo E30, in red - well any late spec would do
- a mint FRP
- a mint 205 1.9
- mint mk2 gti / g60
They are the cars I grew up lusting after (bar the FRP) - owned most of them, but sadly don't have the 5 berth garage :sad:
Matt - The new BMW 335d and 335i look like awesome bits of kit.
How long do you need to hold on to your cars for (the mini and BMW?). When i was at Ford/PAG it was 9 months, but the discount was never big enough to avoid scary depreciation, except for the Puma 1.7 i had.
Always had a fond eye for the new Mini, especially the Cooper s. There seems to be absolutely loads for sale right now, do you think supply has finally caught up with demand on the used market?
Any ideas on timing / spec of new S?
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I just love those CLIOs :wink:
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im tempted to get a new clio but also on my list is a civic type r
mini cooper s (theres more but i cant think had a few beers :laugh:)
i might just get each one keep it for 6 months then move on :rolleyes:
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Sadly the new Clio sport has been eating too many cakes. It weighs some ridiculous amount, about 200kg heavier. According to a roadtest, the figures are a bit misleading, with 2nd lenthened to just reach 62 mph to cut down the acceleration figures (old car needed a change to 3rd apparently)
Still a quick motor I reckon, but maybe not quite as wild as the older Clios
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The Clio 172 Cup is still one of my favourite steers, I've only demo'd the little clio but it was great fun and cheap!! But I would have been bored after a few months of sideways action :grin: Oh and need anew back!
The new clio is 100kg heavier, once there are demos around I'll be giving it a go and I'd love Renault to build another V6 :cool: The latest clio is a few ponies down on BHP/Ton which is a shame, it seems to be an improvement but lost some of the keeness that made the 182 so much fun, but all the test have been on euro roads and we need to see a british test before forming any real opinion....
Mart, I think the CTR is a missed oportunity. The figures just look very samo samo, they should have tried harder..... I owned the current CTR and got shot of it after 4 bored months... :lipsrsealed:
Charri, the 335d is a monster!! One of the lads has a 535d and blimey does it shift, not my bag but it's decent enough... The Z4M Coupe was a thought, but the sporty Beemers ride is soooooooooo stiff, they need some finesse and better control :angry:
If I BUY a motor through work I get nearly 20% and have to keep it for a year. I nearly ordered a M5, thinking that I'd only lose at most 10% over one year. But in the end I bottled it :grin:
The next Mini is on the cards, in S form and in one of the new colours. there's a new blue that looks spot on, but there will be NO chillie Red :cry: As to stats and figure, can't really tell ya much as I don't know :wink: but the new S is much quicker around the test track, MUCH..... As soon as i can demo the new one I'll get some info up......... It's all still very cagey though.....
But my own collection would have to read....
- BMW 3.0L CSL Batmobile in Orange
- Clio Williams1
- 1973 porsche 911
- Lotus Cortina
Matty
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mart20V: 6 months and move on - I like that idea :grin:
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When are you getting your toerag test m8?
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Done yesterday whilst my supaguard was being re-applied on the Gti.
Lovely motor and clocked up an effortless 140 miles.....
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supaguard was being re-applied on the Gti
??? what was wrong with it? ???
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The details will bore the pants off of you!!!
But it was a screw up with putting the security numbers on the glass (rear screen and Rear NS), which ended up with a FULL refund and another top to bottom supagard treatment. Oh and also a full valet in 6 months.
The paint looks bling bling right now lol, don't think I'll need to take the sponge to it for some months... But the downside is, should you look hard enough you'll see two sets of security numbers on the rear screen and rear NS, both the same numbers but on one side the numbers are not clear or a little part is missing. The other is fine....
It should have been perfect, it wasn't!!! But it's sorted now and i certainly didn't want the glass replaced :undecided:
I had a look around a pretty smart Touareg, one of the altitude models but it had sporty suspension and the interior bits of trim were the same as the R32. I've got to say, I thought it looked pretty cool with the extra bits.