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General => General discussion => Topic started by: muppetsport on 06 December 2003, 01:25
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been having a problem getting my gti golf to start up, spent most of the night trying to start it and finally got it running about midnight, took it for the obligatory test run to check everything was well with it and it was except timing was out. so adjusted that and went for another run round the block.
when i got back and pulled onto the drive, my next door neighbour had come out, smaked my car and said he was going to lodge a complaint to the environment about the noise.
now, when my car was on the drive it was just ticking over, he shouted saying i was keeping everyone awake, and yet all other houses nearby, one closer than his were all asleep. its just the manner of some people, i mean im quite cheeky with people when i see theyre annoyed but there is a polite way of asking someone to be a bit quiter and not hit threre car(picture and report going to my insurance company and the police of the damage in the morning).
anybody know what the legal limit of noise is after 10pm or know of where i could find out this information??? if a car fitted with an e-marked exhuast system as pretty much all of them are these days is running after 10pm it cant be illegal. a siren from an ambulance is louder than my golf ticking over.
it just annoys me, petty f**kin neighbours. be nice and you can make things happen. thats my motto. when he was cutting his grass at 7am and i was on night shift trying to sleep i never complained and when he has had parties till after midnight ive never complained. nobody else that lives within 100 meters of my house has ever said anything and i used to drive a 16v nova with twin 48's and a 2.5' exhaust system, would wake the dead.
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dunno what the limit is i know i got done last year on my gsxr for havin a race can on , mind it was fackin loud!!, my mk2 it bloody loud on tickover with a standard exhaust but i wouldnt say it was anti social, but then again iif my kids were in bed i wouldnt be running at the sid eof my house!!!, i cant agree with the neighbour thing tho!!!, ive been on nights then at 8am when im trying to get to sleep the twit starts drilling or something!! ;D
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im trying to find all the levels that the government sets, but as usual there isnt any information available of the acceptable levels, means they can chage it when they want i guess just to get more folk done.
know what your saying, just coz you work nights and need to sleep through the day doesnt mean its any more of a hassle for someone using a drill than it is for a car to be ticking over on the driveway.
surely a car ticking over isnt illegal is it? i mean it has a back box on but is a lot quiter than my mates calibra turbo with std exhaust on. pety bastard, ive put together some info for him and numbers of places to phone about noise pollution and also a copy of the leter going to my insurance company about the big f**k off dint on the door. tomorrow night i be mostly playing heavy metal requests on the lectric guitar at 2am me thinks.
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if any1 ever damages my car theyll be in hospital!!! and ill be in the nick!!, insurance probably wont do out for ya self satisfaction allways works for me!! >:(
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im trying to find all the levels that the government sets, but as usual there isnt any information available of the acceptable levels, means they can chage it when they want i guess just to get more folk done.
know what your saying, just coz you work nights and need to sleep through the day doesnt mean its any more of a hassle for someone using a drill than it is for a car to be ticking over on the driveway.
surely a car ticking over isnt illegal is it? i mean it has a back box on but is a lot quiter than my mates calibra turbo with std exhaust on. pety bastard, ive put together some info for him and numbers of places to phone about noise pollution and also a copy of the leter going to my insurance company about the big f**k off dint on the door. tomorrow night i be mostly playing heavy metal requests on the lectric guitar at 2am me thinks.
If you have Power tab editor, I have a bunch of good metal tabs for guitar I can send you. :D Breadfan by Metallica is a good one that comes to mind. Usually I try to keep it down after 10pm as both my sproogs are asleep and I know I hate when they get woke up. Out of line him hitting your car though. Makes you wonder how he would feel if you went and did the same to him. I wonder if he will be around your place to apologise in the morning.
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The law states no un nessesary noise between 11pm and 7am and that includes beeping your horn.
The bloke next door is clever and drills till 10.45pm. Flippin annoying but legal. He then had the cheek to moan at us for doing our kitchen at 9am on a Saturday. So we did it on the Sunday too just to piss him off ;D
Just hard as they have no kids and sleep in. They workd 9am till 5pm. Hubby works till midnight. We are up at 8am (which I dont think is very early) and they get annoyed?????? Get up you lazy sh*ts ;D ;D ;D ;D
Try looking up CAB (citizens advice) as it has some stuff on there about neighbour disputes. Good luck. Sam xxxx
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no sign of him appologising yet. the dent in the door is pretty bad actually now that ive seen it in day light. phoned the police up nd they are going to send somebody roud by the end of the week (fat chance lazy bastards and we pay their wages). i hope he has a look at what he has done and feels a bit stupid
8916vgti, yeah man metallica would do the trick, only got the ace of spades tab so far, will go on a hunt for some more after the football (which will be played at earth shattering volume on my old mans home cinema set up)
once the old bastard goes out tis morning, he parks his car in a layby outside my house, but has a drive that he nevrer uses, so im going to occupy the layby with all of my cars so he cant park there, that usually winds him up.
i havent set about such battle plans since i was in nam.
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There is no limit. just a human limit. If your exhaust is blowing then its causing that loud noise.
To be even more cheeky i would make a few other claims if you know wat i mean ;)
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I wouldn't if I were you!
You need to remain polite to him or even better ignore him completely. Make your claim and leave it at that.
If he does make a serious, which I very much doubt, claim then an enviornmental health officer may come and visit. If they believe that you are creating a nuisance then the authority will serve an abatement notice on you. This will tell you to stop it or you'll be given heavy fines.
If you wind him up enough he could take his own action through section 82 of Environmental Protection Act 1990 - but unless he really hates you then this will be costly for him! He's lost all chances of a legal battle anyway as he's damaged your property......
Dunno if thats any use to you??? :)
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environmental health would only do something if you were doing this every night of the week regularly... a friend of mine had a lot of trouble a while back, she lived in a flat and the person in the flat below moaned about all sorts... but they couldnt ever do anything.
the fact he's done damage on a one of occasion is very bad for him, plus you can have him for criminal damage... guy must be an idiot.
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we work on cars on my drive pretty much every weekend and a couple of weeknights, we never make any noise after 10pm anyway, by that i mean using big machinery etc, spanners and all that we work until we are finished but there genreally isnt a lot of noise made from tightening nuts and bolts. this is the first time ive ever had a car running on the drive for any length of time since the turbo nova was started for the first time about 6 months ago, but that was a saturday afternoon.
the fact he has damaged my car makes it a waste of time if he phones the environment about it as i made no threatening jestures towards him at all. basically the way it went was, me ands my mate were sat on the drive looking at the temperature guage for about 10 seconds then "bang" on the car and this old bloke comes steaming round the front of the car to the driverside, so imopened the door, he started yelling saying i was keeping everyone awake (ive seen all my other neighbours this morning and they never mentioned a word and they would have done if something bothers them) and that he will phone the envirnoment about the noise levels. of what? a car ticking over on thr drive way??? surely not. as he walked away i sad "are you going to pay for the dent in my car then??" he just kept walking away saying he will be on the phone to the environment and the police. which i responded i think the police will be more interested in the criminal damage and vandalism of my car. as he walked into his drive way (fuly detached houses 4 bedrooms about 10 metres apart and his bedroom is on the back of the house???) i started saying he will be hearing from my inurance company.
i totally do not think ive done anything wrong. ive never ever had any complaints about noise, if anything most of the people that live near me always ask what im doing on the car when they walk past and are always polite.
as vr6chick says no unnecessary noise. well, i had to make the car start as it wouldn start, thats not unecessary noise. neither is driving round the block 2 times then parking back up on my drive.
petty if anything.
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I would avoid working on cars late at night unless essential , as this is gonna upset people.
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i know what you mean, but all we do after about 10ish is tidy up the job, or finish off the small bits, like sorting wiring out or re-attaching pipes etc. nothing noisey.
this was the first time after 10ish that we have been doing anything like this in around 5 years of modding on the muppetsport dojo driveway.
im keeping away from the bloke, gonna let my old man have a word with him about it all. im just posting the damge claim through his door and see what the old bill have to say when they come round monday afternoon. the car totally needs a new door as it wont pull out. creased the whole door in.
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Do you need to work to 10pm? are you running a garage from your house?
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8916vgti, yeah man metallica would do the trick, only got the ace of spades tab so far, will go on a hunt for some more after the football (which will be played at earth shattering volume on my old mans home cinema set up)
Check out this site
http://www.powertabs.net/pta.php
Download the software (free) and then have a look through the tabs. They have tabs by about anyone imaginable. I like it because alot have bass tabs too. :)
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Sounds (excuse the pun) like your neighbour got himself all worked up and lost his temper. What he should have done was come and seen you earlier and asked you politely to knock it on the head.
Puting a dent in your car was the last thing he should have done..........don't let it drop, make sure he pays to put it right.........maybe then he'll learn to control his temper >:(
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Sorry mate , i can't really agree. If the geezer next door to me had his mates round and was working on cars all the time to 10pm then i would get quite pissed off. Maybe i'm just getting old, its what kids do to you!
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golfvr6 - yeah i know what your saying, we dont need to work till 10pm, and no not running a garage fro my house, just prefer to fix and do anything myself instead of paying through the nose for silly stuff to be done. we welded a whole front end n a nova on my drive done engine conversions and nobody has ever complained.
the reason why its always about 10ish is a lot of people dont finish work till 5ish so bythe time everyone has arrived its about 7 o'clock. thats the only reason. its not every week night, pretty much only a tuesday night, that was a rare friday night. normally on a sat and sun from 12ish to about 6pm. i dont see that being a problem really. it bothers nobody else within my whole estate
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I do all my own work and other peoples. I only usually do it at weekends or during the day in the week, so i guess no-one is gonna get pissed off.
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I think if it come out of the blue and you are genuinely unaware that you are upsetting anyone then that behaviour is totally unacceptable.
Its a different matter, however, if the neighbour has already had a word and you ignore him.
Common sense and communication is all that is needed.
We had an issue with our neighbour recently. They had some friends over and when they left at 1am in the morning they were very loud and beeped their horn all the way down the road. It woke us and our kids up >:(
I had a word the next morning and all he could say was that it wasn't their fault it was their friends. I said that perhaps they should accept some responsibilty as their hosts and next time they could warn their friends not to upset everyone in the street with that kind of action. Fortunately he agreed, apologised and it hasn't happened since.
I'm sure I do things to p1ss my neighbours off, like collect cars, but there hads to be give and take if we're all going to get on.
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I do all my own work and other peoples. I only usually do it at weekends or during the day in the week, so i guess no-one is gonna get pissed off.
Yeah me too, never had any complaints. I'm lucky as I work shift so I get a lot of time off in the week. If anything I usually get asked if I can do a job on their cars ;D
Usually down the pub by 10pm anyway ;D
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Sorry mate , i can't really agree. If the geezer next door to me had his mates round and was working on cars all the time to 10pm then i would get quite pissed off. Maybe i'm just getting old, its what kids do to you!
I'd be pissed as well but i don't think I would go hitting someones car over it. I say that know but I about got hauled in last summer on assult charges after lumping up a guy up the street for having a loud party at 2am on a tuesday morning. Different circumstances though. Him I had asked twice and then when I went back up the third time he got a big attitude about it started to run his gob at me. Might be able to just knock on his door and show him the damage he caused and let him know that he can either pay to have the damage recitified or you'll press charges for destruction of private property. If he is any kind of responsible adult he probably feels like a proper @ss this morning and is more than likely a bit embarassed to come out and say so. Luckily both of my immediate neighbors are pretty good people. We know each others schedules and we just work around each other.
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the neighbours to the left of me are spot on as are everyone else in the street. frineds with them all.
never has he complained before and if he had just come and said, look its late i cant sleep id have said yeah no bother apologies for the noise and stop it. i know it was late, and probably not the best time to do it it, but we had got so far and it had just started to actually run that we kept on going. its rare for my mate the vw mechanic to have the time to come look at my car as he has a young child and girlfriend to look after.
im getting a quote done for the damage, will put it through his letterbox with an appolgy for the noise,ot that it was all that loud really, isnt any louder than a normal car ticking over. i will also add a nice note about the awful way he dealt with the situation.
as i always say if someone is honest and polite about things, anything can be achieved. im not a neighbour from hell at all. all it takes is a nice and polite but stern way of saying listen its late. thats all it would hav etaken. not to damage my car. thats criminal damage or vandalism in the eys of the law.
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Shame he bottled it up so much instead of saying something earlier..........could have saved himself a repair bill and prevented tha bad feeling that is now obviously evident.
Hope you clear it up amicably
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i take it golfgal has been reading up on a few things or just turns a know it all with good grammar at weekends??? i think not, i recognise the wording , seen it some where before!!!! ;) ;)
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I was thinking simular. Maybe she had spelling lessons last night? ;D ;) ;)
Sam xxxx
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Interesting little thread this turned out to be.
I'd like to know how it ends.
Personally, I would have aplogised for the noise straight away, even if there was none, but then asked him about the damage he had caused! If he can see straight from the start that you have no ill intenetions, he is going to feel rather foolish about his behaviour. If this tack hadn't of worked - then I am afraid I would have become just as pathetic, and silly as him, However, I know that I would be a lot sneakier!! Fisrts call to police, second to Insurance, third to a builder asking for a few tons of sand to be deposited on his drive-way! - "I'm terribly sorry, did I say deliver to 53 Mill Lane? - I meant 55 Mill Lane! What a silly mistake! and with this frost It will be such hard work to move it" - Best of luck mate
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dont care what caused it damaging some ones car is out of order, hospital and police needed!!!! ;D well if was onone of mine anyway!! ;D ;D ;D
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the point is he didnt even attempt to say its a bit late to be doing this, just straight away smaked my car before he had even said anything.
ive got a nice tin of paint stripper in the garage, hmm. nah, im not like that, i will just bill him for it. ive got a witness to say that he did the damage, so if he disputes it he will get made a fool of himself in court really.
ive been reading up on the noise issue and it appears that there is no legal limit on it at any time of the day. they work on the railway 100 metres from my house at all hours of the night making the same amount of noiseif not more than i did and he never complains about that. seen as it was a one off event there isnt anything he can do about it. unforunately he has damaged my car so there is something i can do about it.
lesson to be learned is if you have a problem about smeone doing something have a word with them first instead of flying off the handle and going mad damaging things.
for those that said they would be pissed off if people were working on cars at 10pm, well, when you were younger i bet you were doing the same thing. i dont live in a housing estate where every house is joned together, there is about 40 metres between my driveway and the start fof the neighbours property that complained. if you were at the back of my house in one of the bedrooms you cannot hear cars go past the front of the house, so im not sure how much noise he would have heard. thats the point. he is just an arsehole anyway.
another incident in recnet years with him is there is a layby or parking zne of sorts outside my house and outside his house for general parking in. we have 4 cars, one in the garage 2 on the drive and one in the layby. he has 1 car and insists on parking in the layby not n his drive. when relatives visit, they use the layby to park in like everyone would, and he asks them to move their cars as its his parking space. its nobody's parking space at all, first come first serve really, it belongs to nobody. a while back my uncle came to visit with a trailor on as he was going camping in the lakes. parked is discovery and trailor in the layby as there was no where else to park it being so big, and my neighbour asked him to move it so he could park there. my uncle being a traffic policeman politely pointed out that he had every right to park there. neighbour got snotty with him but my uncle refused to move. the next day when my uncle got in the 4x4, put his key in the ignition and started it, the neighbour was out reversing his car to take that spot again. they only have one car. whats his problem???
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Neighbor sounds like a total pratt. I've had some crap neighbors but that fella takes the taco. :) Hope it all works out for you.
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Hey Muppetgeezer, i take back what i said, if he is the sort of geezer that thinks he owns the road then work on your car EVERY night, i would just to piss him off ;)
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And if he comes out again and hit ya car, then make sure no-ones looking and crack him one.
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finaly someone speaks english! :P
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i would have loved to have smaked him one. only reason why i didnt was he was agravated and i wasnt so after he had hit my car i thought i could get him done as i didnt respond in anyway at all. good thinking i reckon. if it had been anyone of my friends, mate who was with me had his calibra turbo parked outside, if he had hit that god forbid what would have happened to him. same goes for any other of the regular muppetsport team. i was just a bit stoned really, lol, and was too chilled to think about it at the time.
good thing about knowing the people i know is a mate is a spray painter and panel beater and works for one of the only insurance approved repair garages in cumbria. so ive got him to do me the repair quote, opps. so far its up to 180 to paint and fit the door which doesnt include buying a door, so likely to be around 250 in total. getting an official insurance approved damage repair form filled out and dropped off tonight which will be promptly put through neighbours letter box. have a nice day.
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Have you seen or spoken to him since the incident yet? Just curious as I imagine there must be a really bad atmosphere between you if not.......
Thought he might have had the decency to come over and apologise :-\
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he walked past before with his head down ignoring me. see what he says when the repair estimate goes through his door.
only cost me 30 quid to paint really if i got it done elsewhere, mught aswell get it done properly though
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Muppetsport, how do you fancy organising a husr golfgti rally at your place - camping on the lawn, all night parties, the smell of greasyJoes burger van mixed with burning rubber. I reckon it could go down a storm at your place!
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your on mate, sounds like a laugh.
make it a bbq and ill put me culanary skills to use and grill some burgers and bangers. have an all nighter golf gti meet in my small village. its full of old posh people and if your car is made before 2001 they all frown at ya.
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Oh yes.......bring it on ;D ;D ;D
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Can i sit in my car revving it all night? vr6 with induction kit = loud :D
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ill be there if its on!!!! ill rev old 8v shes fairly loud!!! then get steamed and urinate through his letter box ' satisfaction ' is the key!!! if they get u get em back twice has good!! ;)