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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Topic started by: boogeysheftel on 03 November 2003, 06:42
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just did 0-60 in 9secs with my '90 gti 8v, i think it is slow, because it suppossed to be 8 secs, or it is normal for an old car to loose 1 sec?
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what timing gear did you use?
:)
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what do you mean by that?
i've reached 60 in 3th gear
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I think he may have meant what did you use to time yourself, and how do you know you got to 60 mph, other than counting and reading from the clock as you accelerate
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You need to do this slightly differently.
Find someone with a GPS and get your exact speed.
Then get a mate with a stop watch to sit behind your ear. You concentrate, he times.
You will need to blast of many many times. You'll never get it right first time. And even if you do, keep trying and eventually you'll get a really good time.
Tin
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>Then get a mate with a stop watch to sit behind your ear. You >concentrate, he times.
yes, this is how it was
i did it several times, almost every time it was about 9 secs, on average 9, i was expecting 8
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9 secs, sounds quite quick for an 8v, cabs probably do it in 10 secs :-*
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I think you underestimate us - had mine hit 60 in a shade over 8. its not completly standard I admit.
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What mods have you got Adam?
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VW claim 8.3 for the Mk2 8v and 7.9 for the Mk2 16v
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The cab time should be a bit longer as it is heavier ;)
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dont wast time goin in to 3rd eva mate, leve it in 2nd and let it hit the limiter. at 62MPH
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or 70 in a vr6 ;D
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Yep true that, was surprised to get a shade under 65 in second gear! red lining like a mo' fo' though ;D
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What mods have you got Adam?
Its got a K&N filter, some odd system that gives it a triple spark! (the theory sounded good when it was explained)and a mongoose/powerflow exhaust sytem, coupled with regular servicing. I'm not sure what else was done prior to me owning it, but it was owned by a mechanic!
when the new wheels go on, the wheel radius will be smaller too, so it should make an improvement I've been informed.
I dont really use it for racing about in though - I just like to pose 8)
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in 2nd 8v goes only until about 50, short gearing
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73mph in my valve in second
VR6's? I sh!t em
;D ;D ;D
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I used to have a 16v, 70mph in second, no way! must be a very fast speedo.
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>Then get a mate with a stop watch to sit behind your ear. You >concentrate, he times.
yes, this is how it was
i did it several times, almost every time it was about 9 secs, on average 9, i was expecting 8
If your mate is in the car - you're gonna be slower
duh ::)
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I used to have a 16v, 70mph in second, no way! must be a very fast speedo.
Read it and weep my fine feathered over pistoned friend.
it pulls way over 70 in second
and over 90 in third
hows your heavy front end now?
;)
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Its cool, and i've got an electronic speedometer, which gives me the true speed :-*
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I used to have a 16v, 70mph in second, no way! must be a very fast speedo.
Read it and weep my fine feathered over pistoned friend.
it pulls way over 70 in second
and over 90 in third
hows your heavy front end now?
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Errm, 2nd gear doesn't have a ratio to propel it to above 65. So there is no way you are actually "doing" more than 65.
Unless you have removed your rev limiter - the cog is just too SMALL.
And the cog is same on all 16vs.
I have said this many times before - get your car checked with a GPS. The speedo in a Golf is nothing more than a vague approximation of a speed it may of been doing, or might be doing, soon.
Tin
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Yep, the electronic speedometer is far more accurate than the old cable method. They don't break either!
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>Then get a mate with a stop watch to sit behind your ear. You >concentrate, he times.
yes, this is how it was
i did it several times, almost every time it was about 9 secs, on average 9, i was expecting 8
If your mate is in the car - you're gonna be slower
duh ::)
I always thought 0-60 times were measured with half tank of fuel and driver&passenger.
If its only driver, then reduce the fuel load to compensate for some of the weight of the passenger.
There is no way that a driver alone will get a decent reading unless the car is geared up with the correct tools.
Tin
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I get more than 60mph in second in my 8V is that good for a 128,000 miler?
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I get more than 60mph in second in my 8V is that good for a 128,000 miler?
??? eh?
but how accurate is your speedo? whats mileage got to do with gear ratio?
Tin
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Fellas,
Personally I prefer to be in 5th when driving at 60mph. Its a hell of a lot quieter, and I may be wrong here, but apparently its better for fuel consumption too. 8)
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i stated the milage, just wanted to know if my car still has it or not? ???
How can i check for the speedo accuracy?
I never rag my car that much i also prefer it in 5th :)
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I always thought 0-60 times were measured with half tank of fuel and driver&passenger.
If its only driver, then reduce the fuel load to compensate for some of the weight of the passenger.
There is no way that a driver alone will get a decent reading unless the car is geared up with the correct tools.
Forgot this was a serious scientific forum! :)
Yeah you're right about uncalibrated speedos - but maybe I was going down hill, with the wind behind me and I was slipstreaming a bus.
See
Keep the laughs coming Tin ;D
btw - electronic speedo's are not all calibrated accurately ;)
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yeah yeah point taken.
I was trying to point out that timing a car that hasn't been calibrated and involves the driver couting to 10 could be considered a waste of time.
If we ever meet up, I would be more than happy to bring my GPS along and we'll actually test everyones car for accuracy.
Name one benefit of having a speedo that you know is out by Xmph? You can go through speed cameras at the real speed of the road and not what your lame speedo says.
Tin
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Name one benefit of having a speedo that you know is out by Xmph? You can go through speed cameras at the real speed of the road and not what your lame speedo says.
Benefit?
Well none really - I don't care as long as the car is going fast (and no OB or Gatsos/Truvellos are around!)
Most speedos on modded cars are going to be out:
wrong wheels, age blah
I'm still tickled by the fact you actually have a GPS device and you're serious
Let's all get our cars up to a dyno - battle of the dubs style
;D 8) ;D
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I'm still tickled by the fact you actually have a GPS device and you're serious
Let's all get our cars up to a dyno - battle of the dubs style
I bought the GPS without actually thinking through any reason to buy it.
Checking the speedo against the car has been very worthwhile. I checked my last car (Fiat Bravo) and found it to be accurate within 0.5% all the way to 115.
I even got stopped by a policeman who reckoned i was doing 58 in a 40 zone. I told him flat - i was doing 50 buddy. He said "are you calling me a liar?" so I replied "no, just short sighted".
Anyway, out popped the GPS and I challenged the validity of his car, or eyesight.
After alot of haggling, and insults, I let him off with a reprimand.
However, checking the Golf with a GPS is a real let down. It spoils your day, not to mention hundreds of wonderful stories about daring speeds you actually didn't get to.....
Tin
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Sure I heard somwhere that all speedo's in english cars are roughly 10% out anyway ???
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yeah and all French ones are 30% out
(bit of a broad random statement) ;D
I reckon most speedos just show a rough approximation.
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I heard that all speedos are about 10% fast.
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NOT ALL CARS JUST MK2 GOLF GTI 8V BY THE SOUND OF IT...MINES GOT THAT PROBLEM AND IVE REPLACED THE CABLE, MAYBE ILL CHANGE THE SPEEDO NEXT.
THE COMPUTER DISPLAY IF I ZERO IT ON MPH AND KEEP AT A CONSTANT SPEED GIVES ME A READING 10MPH SLOWER THAN IM ARE ACTUALLY DOING...HMMM
I FOLLOWED A MATE THE OTHER DAY, I TOLD HIM TO STAY AT 30MPH.....I WAS DOING 40MPH...OH BUGGER
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NOT ALL CARS JUST MK2 GOLF GTI 8V BY THE SOUND OF IT...MINES GOT THAT PROBLEM AND IVE REPLACED THE CABLE, MAYBE ILL CHANGE THE SPEEDO NEXT.
THE COMPUTER DISPLAY IF I ZERO IT ON MPH AND KEEP AT A CONSTANT SPEED GIVES ME A READING 10MPH SLOWER THAN IM ARE ACTUALLY DOING...HMMM
I FOLLOWED A MATE THE OTHER DAY, I TOLD HIM TO STAY AT 30MPH.....I WAS DOING 40MPH...OH BUGGER
you could just put bigger wheels on your car to compensate.
Tin
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WOT!!! BIGGER THAN 15'S ON A 50 PROFILE?
WOTS THE STANDARD SIZE FOR A GTI 8VALVE 88?
WOT YA THINK I SHOULD USE?
NEVER HAD THIS PROB WITH OTHER CARS, IF I HAD IT WAS NOT THAT NOTICABLE......
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Im sure bigger wheels and tires on a car make it run/cruse faster?
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As this topic seems to becoming mad, I took my hand held gps out yeterday and the figures were -
GPS Speedo
30mph 30mph
40mph 38/39mph
50mph 47mph
60mph 57mph
70mph 66mph
Also I would take into consideration that other peoples/my speedo cable may be slacker or speedo drive worn - I used to have a Astra gte - please dont boo money was hard! the electric speedo was 100% accurate the timing gear I use is professional as I test speed boats for a living! As for the 0 - 60 time I have many views the whole 8 valve - 16 valve saga! this is my experience - I live in lovely North Devon and due to our painful hills the 8 valve copes much better because of its bottom grunt although it is only marginally different to the 16 valve but when we get to a decent road the 16 valve midrange will pull it off - for me personally I find the 8 valve more economical and less reving the engine right through the gears than the 16 valve, after all as well as a fun car these cars have to get you to work and back economically and you want a car thats pretty relaxing and grunty if you cant be bothered to change gear so much on the way home - but these are only in my circumstances! If I lived in a urban envoirment then I would own a 16 valver!
regards to all
I hope you view my text as more of my experience and not saying my cars better thanyours this is not the case the GOLF GTI is great which ever you drive!
:)
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When my G40 went to Bruntingthorpe my max speed on the day according to the speedo was 130 mph and the GPS timing gear showed 125.9 mph. Not too far out really.
Bit crap for me though I had the speedo showing 138 on the way home!!! Bloody fickle superchargers.
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8v is much more economical and what i really like, that it has power right from the begining (low revs), although 16v should be faster in 0-60. Is 16v really faster in 0-60?
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Is 16v really faster in 0-60?
Yes
simply because an 8v can't do 60 in 2nd with a std gearbox
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Is 16v really faster in 0-60?
Yes
simply because an 8v can't do 60 in 2nd with a std gearbox
and because it has less power.....
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so if you changed the cogs around in an 8v gearbox, you saying the car still wouldn't be able to do 60?
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has anybody tried 8v vs 16v in reality, not just guessing?
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Do you not remember the top gear episode when they did a back to back run with 8v versus 16v and the 8 valve won!
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My 8v is slow i get pissed on by a new renult megan 4 door in the mornings. PISSES ME OFF BIG! But i do get away the quickest.
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8v is about as fast as a pig on dope ;)
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you're giving your pig the wrong dope buddy!
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You can't compare an 8v to 16v, 16v is streets ahead :o
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I've raced a Mk2 16v off the lights (many years ago) in my old Mk1 8v, ok I know it's not the best of comparisons but, I held the 16v all the way to 60mph, it was only when the 16v got into 3rd that it started pulling away from me. I guess that's where the longer gears and all the extra higher revving power really make a difference.
Although I wish we could just settle this once and for all, can't we all just agree that both the Mk2 8v and 16v are great cars?
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they are both good in their own ways.
You have to enjoy thrashing the nuts off a valve to get it to perform - which I like ;D. Only pain is when someone buzzes you and you have to drop down two gears.
Not everyones cup of tea.
Whilst some drivers like pootling along in their 8valve and just dropping one cog to get some action.
HOrses and courses
Swings and Roundabouts
Valve is the faster car - and hence the BETTER car.
FIN
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I'll go along with that :-*
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I've always prefered a car with more torque, but you have to ask yourself why do people often go for the 16v conversions on the 8v, but I have never heard of someone dropping an 8v into a 16v car.......
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Thats right, who would want an 8v anyway? :-*
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'6- I give you a bit of credit and you slap me in the face!!! or is it still jealousy ;) I'm not going to play with you any more :P
I'm going to play with my 8v instead, it's politer!!
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even the 8v with the hairdryer - I mean G-Lader is pants (in vanilla)
16v ltd = oh yes, bring it on (pop - whoops!)
20v T = more tea vicar
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Yeh 8v's are slow like mine but what ever suits you i guess?
16v are more complex are they?
My mate in his XR2i got pissed on by a girl in her fiesta 1.25 16v with 4 fat people in. NOW THAS PISS TAKING!
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whats he doing trying to impress a fat girl who drives a fiesta???????????
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u get me! Just a little credit on 16v's
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you've got mates with Fiestas?
chuck em!
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My mate in his XR2i got pissed on by a girl
oo-er, did it stain his seats :o
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lol
I have to pay for that privilege.
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Yeah ive converted my mates. Ther all dubbers now 8)
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I've raced a Mk2 16v off the lights (many years ago) in my old Mk1 8v, ok I know it's not the best of comparisons but, I held the 16v all the way to 60mph, it was only when the 16v got into 3rd that it started pulling away from me. I guess that's where the longer gears and all the extra higher revving power really make a difference.
Although I wish we could just settle this once and for all, can't we all just agree that both the Mk2 8v and 16v are great cars?
A well looked after 1800 Mk1 GTI will give a 16v Mk2 a run for its money. You'll need miles to overhaul a steriod induced Mk1 1800 in a valver.
I can't remember a 8v owner ever keeping up with my valver at over 50.
We have settled this once and for all. Read my earlier posts - it blows a serious hole in this idea that the 8v is a better town car because it has a huge amount of torque at low end.
The 16v is a better hot hatch. Face it.
Tin
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Yeh 8v's are slow like mine but what ever suits you i guess?
16v are more complex are they?
My mate in his XR2i got pissed on by a girl in her fiesta 1.25 16v with 4 fat people in. NOW THAS PISS TAKING!
Your comparing chalk and cheese.
The 1.25 16v Ford engine is very sweet. In the fiesta - it is a very quick car. Quite simply, its a sheep in wolves clothing and should be aproached with care.
Tin
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Sorry to be a bit boring, but I've only just caught up with this thread, so..... going back to the original question of is 0-60 in 9 secs pants (when the book quotes 8 seconds or whatever) what you have to bare in mind is how the manufacturer or test driver extracts these published figures from a car.
I seriously doubt that anyone here has ever equalled or bettered a published figure with a standard car, because no-one would ever drive their own car like a test driver drives a manufacturers test or press car.
These cars really are caned and caned and caned to get the best possible figures from them. Unless you are best friends with Mr Clutch, I doubt that you use the same standing start technique as a test driver, and if you have one ounce of mechanical sympathy in your body, then 1 second adrift from a manufacturers claims really isn't that bad at all.
There are obvious exceptions to this rule (like when a manufacturer publishes figures for a given car, that every car mag in the country then go out and smash, and then proclaim as a much faster car than previously imagined, sneaky manufacturers, eh?) but on the whole those figures are unrepeatable in the real world. But its ok, because that applies to every make and model of car, as they are all tested in the same way.
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yes, maybe, good point, also i remember i drove that time with two mates in a car, it was heavier