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Model specific boards => Golf mk3 => Topic started by: Cra1g on 13 November 2005, 21:02

Title: Increasing Timing = Increasing Power + Speed?
Post by: Cra1g on 13 November 2005, 21:02

Hi guys,

I have a MK3 Ryder 1.4 8v, and was wondering if I was to adjust the timing (I think its got a carb) to put more petrol in, would the car be quicker?

I have an induction kit (Yes I know it gives no power)

But I want a little more power as tbh its piss poor, even a SAXO will beat me top speed and accelleration!

Thanks guys

Cra1g

Title: Re: Increasing Timing = Increasing Power + Speed?
Post by: Cra1g on 15 November 2005, 23:29

Bump, come on some1 must know :D

Cra1g

Title: Re: Increasing Timing = Increasing Power + Speed?
Post by: GolfGL on 16 November 2005, 21:28

Timings pretty much exact or you'll get pinking etc so most likely not. The mk3 was built like a tank, my 1.8 probably as fast as a 1.6 in something like a french car. Not many engine mods out there and a waste on a 1.4 so just get something standard with a bigger engine or lose all your interior to bring the power to weight ratio up

Title: Re: Increasing Timing = Increasing Power + Speed?
Post by: mysticblue_mk3 on 17 November 2005, 01:54

Quote from: Cra1g on 13 November 2005, 21:02

Hi guys,

I have a MK3 Ryder 1.4 8v, and was wondering if I was to adjust the timing (I think its got a carb) to put more petrol in, would the car be quicker?

I'm 99% sure that all Mk3s are fuel injected, the 1.4 (60bhp), 1.6 (75bhp) and 1.8 (90bhp) litre engines being single point fuel injection. I think some later 1.6 and 1.8 models were multipoint fuel injection with improved torque characteristics but essentially the same bhp output. Strangely enough there was a 75bhp 1.8 in some models (entry level convertibles i think) :huh:.

I'm no mechanic by any means, but I doubt that adjusting the timing with a view to improving the cars acceleration would have much of an effect, if anything it could result in poor economy and poor driveability. These smaller engines are designed with good all round economy in mind to start with, and as Golf GL has said the Mk3 is built like a tank.

For example a chunky 1.8CL (90bhp) Golf is not realistically going to outrun a wafer thin, tin can 1.6 (90bhp) Saxo VTR, in standard tune. Even a 2.0 8v GTI would be hard pressed if you take the manufacturers performance figures as a rough guide. But a 1.6 or 1.8 Golf would probably hold it's own against 1.1/1.4 Saxo's. Some late 1.6 Mk3's were 100bhp :huh:.

The cheapest and most hassle free way if you want to go faster is to get a bigger engined model, may cost you a bit more in insurance, but will definitely be cheaper than trying to extract more power from a 1.4 8v :wink:.

Phil.

Title: Re: Increasing Timing = Increasing Power + Speed?
Post by: Overseer on 17 November 2005, 12:56

timing isnt a fast/slow thing. either its right, or its not.

if the timing is not right either way the car wont spark in time with the pistons goin up n down etc.. so the optimal time for igniting the compressed fuel above the pistons wont be hit result in less power. either by sparking before they reach their peak or by passing the optimal point.

btw certain saxo's are very quick, and they're light so a "like" size engined saxo will piss all over you. just dont expect quality or to survive a crash in one.

Title: Re: Increasing Timing = Increasing Power + Speed?
Post by: Cra1g on 17 November 2005, 20:40

Thanks guys for all your feedback, bottom line is get 1 years NCD and get ANOTHER MK3/MK4 with a bigger engine.

Cheers again.

Cra1g

Title: Re: Increasing Timing = Increasing Power + Speed?
Post by: GolfGL on 20 November 2005, 17:42

keep with a mk3, mk4s just get even heavier.