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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: A-Kai on 22 July 2024, 21:33
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Hey everyone,
Now I think it’s universally accepted that the GTI Manual clutches are rather quick wearing, and I’ve read a few posts on different forums referring to the GTI/R manual clutches as “spongy”. That being said, my clutch with only 40k miles has started to develop a judder when cold and pulling away for the first time at low speeds. Fairly certain that this is terminal and will only get worse over time.
I’m tempted to get the clutch changed for something more uprated and maybe prepare for a future stage 2 (undecided). Does anyone here have insights on what clutch upgrades they used or if they looked at any OEM clutches from the TCR, CS Or R?
I know that Sachs make uprated kits and recommend replacing the fly wheel too. Not sure if those clutches feel clunky? Retention of driver comfort would be ideal as I don’t want to be smashing my head every gear change.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Cheers!
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Those symptoms can also be caused by the dmf beginning to fail. I fitted an uprated sachs to my mk6 that has been fine.
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Hey everyone,
Now I think it’s universally accepted that the GTI Manual clutches are rather quick wearing, and I’ve read a few posts on different forums referring to the GTI/R manual clutches as “spongy”. That being said, my clutch with only 40k miles has started to develop a judder when cold and pulling away for the first time at low speeds. Fairly certain that this is terminal and will only get worse over time.
I’m tempted to get the clutch changed for something more uprated and maybe prepare for a future stage 2 (undecided). Does anyone here have insights on what clutch upgrades they used or if they looked at any OEM clutches from the TCR, CS Or R?
I know that Sachs make uprated kits and recommend replacing the fly wheel too. Not sure if those clutches feel clunky? Retention of driver comfort would be ideal as I don’t want to be smashing my head every gear change.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Cheers!
I can let you know next week, I'm getting Sachs organic fitted with a new DMF on Friday. Bough the kit from AE motorsports who were the cheapest at the time of ordering and was delivered quickly with free haribo!
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Those symptoms can also be caused by the dmf beginning to fail. I fitted an uprated sachs to my mk6 that has been fine.
Ah I didn’t think about that … did you change your DMF with the clutch too? Might be a stretch but is the DMF covered under warranty? I have feeling they’ll refer to it as a wear and tear part…
Hey everyone,
Now I think it’s universally accepted that the GTI Manual clutches are rather quick wearing, and I’ve read a few posts on different forums referring to the GTI/R manual clutches as “spongy”. That being said, my clutch with only 40k miles has started to develop a judder when cold and pulling away for the first time at low speeds. Fairly certain that this is terminal and will only get worse over time.
I’m tempted to get the clutch changed for something more uprated and maybe prepare for a future stage 2 (undecided). Does anyone here have insights on what clutch upgrades they used or if they looked at any OEM clutches from the TCR, CS Or R?
I know that Sachs make uprated kits and recommend replacing the fly wheel too. Not sure if those clutches feel clunky? Retention of driver comfort would be ideal as I don’t want to be smashing my head every gear change.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Cheers!
I can let you know next week, I'm getting Sachs organic fitted with a new DMF on Friday. Bough the kit from AE motorsports who were the cheapest at the time of ordering and was delivered quickly with free haribo!
Oh exciting, please do feedback! if you don’t mind me asking, approximately how much did the parts and labour come in the end? Might follow in your shoes if you have a good experience.
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Those symptoms can also be caused by the dmf beginning to fail. I fitted an uprated sachs to my mk6 that has been fine.
Ah I didn’t think about that … did you change your DMF with the clutch too? Might be a stretch but is the DMF covered under warranty? I have feeling they’ll refer to it as a wear and tear part…
Hey everyone,
Now I think it’s universally accepted that the GTI Manual clutches are rather quick wearing, and I’ve read a few posts on different forums referring to the GTI/R manual clutches as “spongy”. That being said, my clutch with only 40k miles has started to develop a judder when cold and pulling away for the first time at low speeds. Fairly certain that this is terminal and will only get worse over time.
I’m tempted to get the clutch changed for something more uprated and maybe prepare for a future stage 2 (undecided). Does anyone here have insights on what clutch upgrades they used or if they looked at any OEM clutches from the TCR, CS Or R?
I know that Sachs make uprated kits and recommend replacing the fly wheel too. Not sure if those clutches feel clunky? Retention of driver comfort would be ideal as I don’t want to be smashing my head every gear change.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Cheers!
I can let you know next week, I'm getting Sachs organic fitted with a new DMF on Friday. Bough the kit from AE motorsports who were the cheapest at the time of ordering and was delivered quickly with free haribo!
Oh exciting, please do feedback! if you don’t mind me asking, approximately how much did the parts and labour come in the end? Might follow in your shoes if you have a good experience.
Clutch kit from AE was £879 delivered. And I got a Sachs release bearing from GSF on sale for £29. Labour is £200
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Those symptoms can also be caused by the dmf beginning to fail. I fitted an uprated sachs to my mk6 that has been fine.
Ah I didn’t think about that … did you change your DMF with the clutch too? Might be a stretch but is the DMF covered under warranty? I have feeling they’ll refer to it as a wear and tear part…
Hey everyone,
Now I think it’s universally accepted that the GTI Manual clutches are rather quick wearing, and I’ve read a few posts on different forums referring to the GTI/R manual clutches as “spongy”. That being said, my clutch with only 40k miles has started to develop a judder when cold and pulling away for the first time at low speeds. Fairly certain that this is terminal and will only get worse over time.
I’m tempted to get the clutch changed for something more uprated and maybe prepare for a future stage 2 (undecided). Does anyone here have insights on what clutch upgrades they used or if they looked at any OEM clutches from the TCR, CS Or R?
I know that Sachs make uprated kits and recommend replacing the fly wheel too. Not sure if those clutches feel clunky? Retention of driver comfort would be ideal as I don’t want to be smashing my head every gear change.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Cheers!
I can let you know next week, I'm getting Sachs organic fitted with a new DMF on Friday. Bough the kit from AE motorsports who were the cheapest at the time of ordering and was delivered quickly with free haribo!
Oh exciting, please do feedback! if you don’t mind me asking, approximately how much did the parts and labour come in the end? Might follow in your shoes if you have a good experience.
Clutch kit from AE was £879 delivered. And I got a Sachs release bearing from GSF on sale for £29. Labour is £200
Good to know, thank you mate!
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If you do upgrade the clutch make sure that you also use an upgraded slave.
The standard ones have been known to fail. Indeed the one on ours started to go at 42,000 miles before giving up completely a few months later.
The clutch itself had virtually no signs of wear.
The slave failing started off with the pedal randomly failing to return after changing gear, then it started having an inconsistent bite point. When it went completely the pedal stuck to the floor and fluid was leaking under the gearbox.
Cheap crap plastic item.
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If you do upgrade the clutch make sure that you also use an upgraded slave.
The standard ones have been known to fail. Indeed the one on ours started to go at 42,000 miles before giving up completely a few months later.
The clutch itself had virtually no signs of wear.
The slave failing started off with the pedal randomly failing to return after changing gear, then it started having an inconsistent bite point. When it went completely the pedal stuck to the floor and fluid was leaking under the gearbox.
Cheap crap plastic item.
I just bought a Sachs OEM with the using the VW part number and it is metal?
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The part which contacts the clutch plate fingers is metal but the bellows part is plastic as is the body and inlet pipe.
Utter crap, and then they bury it away so that when it fails it is a big job to change it.
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Oh exciting, please do feedback! if you don’t mind me asking, approximately how much did the parts and labour come in the end? Might follow in your shoes if you have a good experience.
Just picked the car back up. First thing to mention is OMG, the clutch is HEAVY! Much heavier than I expected, after reading about other people getting the sachs organic. I'll get used to it, I'm sure. (maybe put the assistance spring back in :grin: )
Now for a few hundred miles bedding in.
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The pedal will get lighter but it took a few hundred miles, or at least it did with mine.
It was recommended to take it quite easy for the first 500 miles to help bed the clutch in. I didn’t experience any judder but I did smell the clutch quite a few times during slow speed manoeuvring during the first few hundred miles.
I would say the pedal effort now is around 30 to 40% more than the OEM clutch based on 100% more being the initial clutch effort directly after install.
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Paul70, are you sure the clutch gets easier after a few hundred miles, or have you just developed serious calf muscles in your left leg? :)
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The pedal will get lighter but it took a few hundred miles, or at least it did with mine.
It was recommended to take it quite easy for the first 500 miles to help bed the clutch in. I didn’t experience any judder but I did smell the clutch quite a few times during slow speed manoeuvring during the first few hundred miles.
I would say the pedal effort now is around 30 to 40% more than the OEM clutch based on 100% more being the initial clutch effort directly after install.
Yeah gonna take it easy for a couple of tanks, got a motorway run too next weekend (VW Festival). Good to know it gets a easier, I'm already getting use to it, was just a bit of a shock when I first got in it!
Now, next mod....?
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Now, next mod....?
Audi short shifter?
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Now, next mod....?
Audi short shifter?
Its in my eBay watch(want) list! Lol
Have you got one?
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Now, next mod....?
Audi short shifter?
Its in my eBay watch(want) list! Lol
Have you got one?
Sold mine a long time ago. Price one up at a main dealer before buying from ebay, I was surprised how reasonably priced it was. Great mod too, just be prepared to adjust the linkage although I got away with it on fitting.
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Now, next mod....?
Audi short shifter?
Its in my eBay watch(want) list! Lol
Have you got one?
Sold mine a long time ago. Price one up at a main dealer before buying from ebay, I was surprised how reasonably priced it was. Great mod too, just be prepared to adjust the linkage although I got away with it on fitting.
Nice, did it make much difference to the gear change?
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Not a massive difference but more snickety if that makes sense, more mechanical. Very satisfying and well worth the cost.
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Thanks, next job then...
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Thanks, next job then...
:smiley:
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Paul70, are you sure the clutch gets easier after a few hundred miles, or have you just developed serious calf muscles in your left leg? :)
A bit of both really but it definitely gets easier. The first time I pushed the pedal I laughed. Probably took closer to 1000 miles before it was properly run in.
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The pedal will get lighter but it took a few hundred miles, or at least it did with mine.
It was recommended to take it quite easy for the first 500 miles to help bed the clutch in. I didn’t experience any judder but I did smell the clutch quite a few times during slow speed manoeuvring during the first few hundred miles.
I would say the pedal effort now is around 30 to 40% more than the OEM clutch based on 100% more being the initial clutch effort directly after install.
Yeah gonna take it easy for a couple of tanks, got a motorway run too next weekend (VW Festival). Good to know it gets a easier, I'm already getting use to it, was just a bit of a shock when I first got in it!
Now, next mod....?
Just make sure you change gears regularly during the motorway trip. I did quite a few motorway trips too but changed between 6th to 5th and sometimes down to 4th.
Do you have the clutch in start disabled?
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Just make sure you change gears regularly during the motorway trip. I did quite a few motorway trips too but changed between 6th to 5th and sometimes down to 4th.
Do you have the clutch in start disabled?
Will do.
I don't have the clutch in to start disabled, have looked but not sure how it is easily done...?
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Just make sure you change gears regularly during the motorway trip. I did quite a few motorway trips too but changed between 6th to 5th and sometimes down to 4th.
Do you have the clutch in start disabled?
Will do.
I don't have the clutch in to start disabled, have looked but not sure how it is easily done...?
Not sure if it’s possible via OBDELEVEN or even VCDS, though not sure about VCDS. Have you had your car remapped? The mapper can do this when flashing the ECU
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Just make sure you change gears regularly during the motorway trip. I did quite a few motorway trips too but changed between 6th to 5th and sometimes down to 4th.
Do you have the clutch in start disabled?
Will do.
I don't have the clutch in to start disabled, have looked but not sure how it is easily done...?
Not sure if it’s possible via OBDELEVEN or even VCDS, though not sure about VCDS. Have you had your car remapped? The mapper can do this when flashing the ECU
Thanks I shall ask.
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Update, short shift is in possession, will be fitted next week.
Clutch has approx 400miles on it. It changes really well, still heavier than stock [expected], lower bite point which is really no issue. Got stuck in traffic going home from work, approx 30 mins of stop/start, yeah its heavier but no issues at all.
Leeds tomorrow, and then next week - FULL SEND...
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My car is at a similar mileage, around 42K, and I feel the same as OP. Slight occasional judder from cold and an occasional notch through the gears.
I plan to change the brake / clutch fluid & gearbox oil to see if that makes any improvement but knowing the clutch is weak on these, I'm assuming it's on the way out..
According to ECP and GSF, these clutch kits (linked below) are suitable for a Mk7.5 PP. Could anyone advise whether that's true, and whether they are essentially an OEM replacement or an upgrade?
https://www.eurocarparts.com/p/sachs-clutch-kit-641441530 (https://www.eurocarparts.com/p/sachs-clutch-kit-641441530)
https://www.gsfcarparts.com/parts/transmission/clutch/clutch-kit (https://www.gsfcarparts.com/parts/transmission/clutch/clutch-kit)
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My car is at a similar mileage, around 42K, and I feel the same as OP. Slight occasional judder from cold and an occasional notch through the gears.
I plan to change the brake / clutch fluid & gearbox oil to see if that makes any improvement but knowing the clutch is weak on these, I'm assuming it's on the way out..
According to ECP and GSF, these clutch kits (linked below) are suitable for a Mk7.5 PP. Could anyone advise whether that's true, and whether they are essentially an OEM replacement or an upgrade?
https://www.eurocarparts.com/p/sachs-clutch-kit-641441530 (https://www.eurocarparts.com/p/sachs-clutch-kit-641441530)
https://www.gsfcarparts.com/parts/transmission/clutch/clutch-kit (https://www.gsfcarparts.com/parts/transmission/clutch/clutch-kit)
Looks like a standard clutch, i.e OEM replacement. Depends on your plans for the car...
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Update, short shift is in possession, will be fitted next week.
Clutch has approx 400miles on it. It changes really well, still heavier than stock [expected], lower bite point which is really no issue. Got stuck in traffic going home from work, approx 30 mins of stop/start, yeah its heavier but no issues at all.
Leeds tomorrow, and then next week - FULL SEND...
Cheers for the updates, mate! Ordered myself the Sachs Organic clutch and DMF, will have it fitted sometime September after the holidays. How’s the clutch handling low speed/low power changes from first to second? My current clutch tends jerk (even at higher rolling speed) at the biting point unless I’m flooring it.
Is that the Audi OEM short shifter or an aftermarket one that you are planning to fit?
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Update, short shift is in possession, will be fitted next week.
Clutch has approx 400miles on it. It changes really well, still heavier than stock [expected], lower bite point which is really no issue. Got stuck in traffic going home from work, approx 30 mins of stop/start, yeah its heavier but no issues at all.
Leeds tomorrow, and then next week - FULL SEND...
Cheers for the updates, mate! Ordered myself the Sachs Organic clutch and DMF, will have it fitted sometime September after the holidays. How’s the clutch handling low speed/low power changes from first to second? My current clutch tends jerk (even at higher rolling speed) at the biting point unless I’m flooring it.
Is that the Audi OEM short shifter or an aftermarket one that you are planning to fit?
Change the release bearing at the same time.
1st to 2nd is great, no issues. Audi OEM, I always try to go OEM+ if I can. Not fitted yet, weather is shocking and had other things on...