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Model specific boards => Golf mk8 => Topic started by: evo1986 on 17 November 2023, 22:06
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All Golf etsi DSG variants removed from ordering with immediate effect….
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I have my black armband ready
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etsi are all DSG aren't they?
So basically no etsi
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Unless they are selling lots of new EVs which i dont think they are, new car sales persons salaries are going to be badly affected i would think
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Unless they are selling lots of new EVs which i dont think they are, new car sales persons salaries are going to be badly affected i would think
It’s only Golf models that are being gradually wound up over the coming months, and haven’t the GTI/R models been off the order books since May? (and there are literally dozens of examples of those currently unsold and advertised).
The Golf isn’t the seller in once was, SUV’s are where it’s at and no doubt the limited supplies of drivetrains are currently being diverted to unfulfilled orders of Golfs and higher selling T- Rocs/Crosses/guans while they get ready to bolt on bigger bumpers and central media screens to the “all new” (not new at all) Golf next year.
I don’t think EV’s have particularly huge demand right now (particularly uncompetitive ID’s) but my two nearest dealers seem to be turning over plenty of stock so the sales people don’t seem to be starving just yet.
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The Golf isn’t the seller in once was, SUV’s are where it’s at and no doubt the limited supplies of drivetrains are currently being diverted to unfulfilled orders of Golfs and higher selling T- Rocs/Crosses/guans while they get ready to bolt on bigger bumpers and central media screens to the “all new” (not new at all) Golf next year.
If there's anything to be said about the mk8 golf in general, dropping from 2nd best selling car in the UK in the late mk7 (2019) to 8th in 2022 and so far not in the top 10 at all for 2023.
A polarising exterior aesthetic and hostile interior from its traditionally ergonomic and simple interiors are to blame.
I still maintain if VW re-released the mk5 with a few updates to the interior and standard specification it would sell like mad.
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Unless they are selling lots of new EVs which i dont think they are, new car sales persons salaries are going to be badly affected i would think
They don’t sell a great deal of Golf’s through the retail channel. Most of there sales are made up of Polo, SUV’s and EV’s.
Absolutely not what it once was and the small SUV’s like T-cross, T-roc and Tiguan take the Lions share of the proper retail punters.
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VAG are pretty much the only ones pushing a medium sized ICE hatchback and expecting it to sell loads.
I personally think their go forward Golf badge on an EV idea is also a bad commercial one.
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If there's anything to be said about the mk8 golf in general, dropping from 2nd best selling car in the UK in the late mk7 (2019) to 8th in 2022 and so far not in the top 10 at all for 2023.
A polarising exterior aesthetic and hostile interior from its traditionally ergonomic and simple interiors are to blame.
I still maintain if VW re-released the mk5 with a few updates to the interior and standard specification it would sell like mad.
Nah, hatches have just gone out of fashion.
The mk8’s looks are a bit… err, acquired but the mk8 interiors are most definitely given a bad press. They’re absolutely nowhere near as bad as people make out and in fact are in no way worse than a mk5.
The mk5 had as a whole car an air of solidity about it but no current car is made like that nowadays as it would weigh far too much with all the necessary tech and emissions gear. The mk5 interior was far from plush, shove your elbow into the middle of a mk5 door trim and it bends as much as a mk7/8 or whichever, many of the mk5 plastics are quite hard and the dash was a massive step down from the mk4.
The mk7 interior is overrated and the mk8 interior underrated (which isn’t saying much in the latter’s case!).
The Focus used to top the sales charts for years long before the Golf scraped much more than a bare top 10 spot, closely followed by the Fiesta. Where are any of these cars now? Out of fashion. On their way out or gone. None of them turned into bad cars, it’s just that people got brainwashed into something else.
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People seem to want to sit higher, go slower and pay more for the priviledge in something that has a boot more or less the same size as the equivalent hatch. :rolleyes:
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Surely it's a bit chicken and egg with SUV's, which came first the makers pushing something based on an existing platform or the demand from drivers - when I drove back from my local dealers on Saturday and stopped at some lights I was surrounded buy mediums/large Korean built SUVs - they were everywhere - I hope that VW don't believe that all drivers think bigger is better - when I'm forced to go EV then I will be looking for something sporty and Golf sized (or smaller) - I hope VW will make something that fits the bill.
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Its the same way as the Mondeo/Insignia segment dropped out of the market.
Its definitely happening, I think BEV's were the final nail in the coffin - they are either small city cars or great big container ship sized.
It adjusts people's mindsets when they see these things when they see new ones in a car park.
People imagine the small car (Corsa sized) is for 1 person and more than that they need a Range Rover.
It wasn't true before and its still not true but cars are all about statements to most and a Golf (or Focus or Astra or A3) just doesn't cut it.
VW say the Golf will live on as a BEV but I don't think it will. They might try but I think it will be a commercial fail and it will be cancelled.
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Agreed Fred, in the same way as the Golf wasn’t called a Beetle in 1974 (or whenever it was) the Golf name should be put out to pasture until some bright spark in 2044 brings out a trendy retro Golf based on whatever platform is in use at that time be it EV, hydrogen, or time travelling nuclear fusion powered by household waste.
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I just had a look and it seems its the UK with this trend....Across Europe the Golf is the 4th best seller
https://www.best-selling-cars.com/europe/2023-september-europe-car-sales-and-market-analysis/
That mix is quite different to the UK best selling list!
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The model Y seems universally popular, I see loads of them about and it puzzles me as they’re the ugliest Tesla and probably the least aerodynamic due to being quite tall.
Is there a proliferation of people with abnormally large foreheads around the world?
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Range Rover effect...
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Is there a proliferation of people with abnormally large foreheads around the world?
:grin:
100% agree! I really struggle with the looks of Tesla's in general. The new Model 3 is inoffensive at best imo, but that model Y is absolutely hideous.
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Right now more than ever a lot of people are going for Tesla because pound for pound there isn’t anything or much else that beats it on performance, range, standard equipment for X amount per month….
They are now so common place that it’s a case of people following the herd…. Well if he has one it must be decent etc.
People see past the looks and just care about what the best spec’d, best performance car for my monthly budget… looks I find way down the list.
Customers are not loyal to the VAG groups like they used to be….
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… and you don’t hear Tesla people complaining about everything being on a touchscreen :whistle:
To be honest, if you’re leasing you can’t afford to be brand loyal and if you get a company car allowance a Tesla is a standout contender.
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Tesla owners complaining? Go Google that...
The bloody things make a mk8 look well done...
You are always a beta tester with a tesla
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Tesla owners complaining? Go Google that...
The bloody things make a mk8 look well done...
You are always a beta tester with a tesla
A week ago we were felling a large tree in our front garden so I warned neighbours of access and safety. Next door asked if he could park his Tesla right underneath where the Tree Surgeons were working😄
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:grin: :grin:
Are Teslas really that bad?!
Changing the subject slightly but still relevant as it’s a Golf chassis and running gear, a colleague of mine has just taken delivery of a Cupra Leon 245PS on a 0% finance deal and it’s a very very nice bit of kit.
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:grin: :grin:
Are Teslas really that bad?!
Changing the subject slightly but still relevant as it’s a Golf chassis and running gear, a colleague of mine has just taken delivery of a Cupra Leon 245PS on a 0% finance deal and it’s a very very nice bit of kit.
How does the build quality look compared with the Golf? Have to say, Cupra go out of their way to make the model line up confusing with V123Z etc....
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Build quality feels easily on a par, if anything I’d say it’s more solid.
The interior feels nicer than the Golf and A3, the seats actually feel firmer although they look quite similar to the mk8 seats.
This is a VZ2 which is probably the most popular model. The seat cloth reminds me of the standard Cupra Born seats (not the alcantara ones) and there’s no wireless charging or IQ lights, no rear door panel illumination or adjustable boot floor.
That’s it for minor demerits.
The boot seems deeper with a spare wheel underneath in this car (he didn’t pay extra for it so assume standard), the front door interior handles which are the first things you come into contact with and are hard low grade plastic in the mk8 are nicely finished with stitched trim, that alone gives the experience an initial lift. Loads of leg room in the back, more than a Golf.
You sit nice and low, the window line adds to this, the central screen seems fractionally bigger and crisper but that might be my imagination. The dash lighting is good and general fit and finish seem fine, in some areas I thought it even felt up to BMW F40 1 series but that might just be because it was literally brand new.
Outside the car looks squat, nicer than it looks in photos. The standard 19” wheels fill the arches well, no spacers needed!
He said it rides nicely and quiet on the move. I didn’t go out in it, just had a nose around and started it up.
Most models except the fancy special editions fall below the £40k rip off tax too.
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Thanks for that. I sat in Formentor not long after they came out and I recall it felt a nice place to be. Spacesaver as standard - who would have thought?! Pretty rare these days.
Interesting that it has 19s as standard.
Looking on their website, they seem to have a few cars available - like Audi, unlike VW......
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Looking at VW’s website quickly, they currently have 63 Clubsports and R’s available around the country plus numerous discounted in-stock ones on Autotrader, plus quite possibly plenty more knocking about not advertised.
43 Cupra Leons in 245 and 300PS flavour currently listed new and available on cupraofficial.
My colleague waited about three or four months for a build slot. He was expecting it around mid December but I guess one benefit of the defined trim levels is manufacture is more simple and a cancelled order or showroom stock allocated car can be diverted straight to a customer.
The Formentor is a nice bit of kit, also on 0% 😁
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My favourite part of top gear/grand tour was the tribute pieces they did, whether it be a racing legend or or a manufacturer, the Saab one was good. Anyway, I remember the Sierra/Mondeo send off… they blamed the Citroen Picasso and Vauxhall Zafira for starting the “I want to sit higher” trend. Unfortunately, the hatchback has followed suit. I actually blame the Ford Kuga and Nissan Qishcash (was given (not chose) the latter as a company car :sick:, I chose the 7.5 GTD after it’s return)
I get my car review fix from YouTube nowadays. It’s definitely true that the Golf 8 got an absolute bashing for its touch buttons yet it wasn’t the first and it’s definitely not been the last. Now, most presenters just give the cars a passing comment like “I preferred the previous generations buttons”.
I think it was because the Golf was so mainstream that it received such a bashing. I’ll give you another example, a few smart phones had gone completely buttonless front, then Apple announced the iPhone would loose the trusty home button… remember the outrage?
People have now accepted the iPhone and the buttonless front is common place on all new phones, the big difference is…. You’re not allowed to use a phone whilst driving!
I’m sure in time (unfortunately after accidents) the manufacturers will say “with our intelligent voice control… bla bla bla, there’s no need to touch the screen”. But when you have to press a soft key or jab a screen to change the driving mode? Maybe in the Lake District where motorway junctions lead to twisty fun we should turn the slip road’s hard shoulder in to a ‘sport car mode setup lay-by’?
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All Golf's seem to be taken down from drivethedeal. Guessing it may just be temporary, but who knows.
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Maybe in the Lake District where motorway junctions lead to twisty fun we should turn the slip road’s hard shoulder in to a ‘sport car mode setup lay-by’?
That bit is easy enough to do... one physical button press! Actually its a couple of physical button jabs to cycle it to Sport mode.... same as it was on the Mk7....
Assuming you don't want just a chicken nugget flick if you don't have DCC...