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Model specific boards => Golf mk8 => Topic started by: jon87 on 17 October 2023, 17:17
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Hi all,
Would really appreciate some advice on this. I've booked myself for a test drive for this 7.5 which I am seriously considering: https://www.parkwayvolkswagen.co.uk/used-vehicle/134968/volkswagen-golf-hatchback-5-doors-dsg-petrol-deep-black
I wasn't keen on the mk8, and have been waiting for the 8.5 so I can place my order. However, now I am stuck between that and the 7.5. I originally had a mk7 which I loved and regretted selling.
DTD would offer a sizeable discount on the 8.5 but this 7.5 would still work out over £10k cheaper I suppose. I've always owned cars from new though, but what would you do? Is this 7.5 good value?
Thanks in advance!
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Also, are those alloys genuine VW?
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New car or used car...
Thats what it boils down to. The Mk7.5 is all 3+ years old now.
No idea when the order books will open on the 8.5 yet, but based on the mk8 debacle, if you don't take one from dealer stock when they are released then you won't see one for 1+ years. My guess would be dealers will have their stock in January 2024... but because presumably you want a GTI.... it could be much later. They don't tend to prioritise the performance golfs...
What didn't you like about the Mk8? You know the 8.5 won't be radically different right?
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I think the price difference on a MK8.5 GTI in metallic paint with upgraded alloys etx is going to be a lot more than £10k more than the used car….
Plus when the hell are you going to get one given this issue with the factory in Slovenia and the fact the 8.5 isn’t even available to order yet and probably won’t be till next summer at least I don’t suppose you will actually get one till the end of next year…
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Hi @jon87
Good topic as that is how I’m thinking in terms of my next car and I’ll be looking next year (2024)
Fred has hit the nail on the head in terms of 7.5 …now or 8.5 …sometime in 2024 or later.
Over on the 8.5 thread someone has mentioned November 2023 for an unveil of facelift. My past record isn’t great on guessing VW but I can’t help thinking that 50th Anniversary date in 2024 will be marked by something from VW (I thought I’d seem a date of first debut of Mk1 in Feb 1974 , but can’t find it now and only see that production started in March 1974. Geneva motor Show anybody….yes it is happening in 2024.
But Autumn unveil of facelift and then cars in Jan or April next year is in line with previous models.
VW have been stung by the (rightful) criticism over infotainment performance. Choosing my words carefully as a lot of touchscreen may appeal. I believe from new release of Passat and Tiguan we have a pretty good idea of what infotainment on facelift will look like and it’s also pretty much confirmed that buttons are back on the steering wheel.
Interior trim wise, the car magazines talk about VW wanting to up quality in the cabin and I think they will use a “fake” alcantara (from recycled something or other) which the ID3 has received in its facelift. I think it looks ok (and with some nice red stitching will be perfect😂😂)
Price wise, I think that gap could be a little bigger than you estimate. I’d say with GTI (base) facelift will be over £40k before options). You mention DTD and that’s where my car came from but there is something on the horizon which may throw a spanner in the works.
Been meaning to start a topic to see what people think about “Agency Model” which Manufacturers all seem to be heading towards. The info across several publications is that VAG are changing by end of 2023.
What I don’t know is how this affects people like DTD which are using Fleet side of the business, if I am correct.
Agency model is where manufacturers set a price for everyone and pay dealers a single handling fee for any sale/delivery. So there isn’t any haggling with Dealer (Merc introduced it in UK at start if this year). The OEMs say well it’s a single transparent price across all dealers, but it Looks to me as a crafty way to maintain high prices. So hopefully DTD etc can continue as before, but perhaps discounts will reduce… but I saw Whatcar had said discounts last month had increased as supply came back. So we’ll have to see.
So your car price comparison might actually be a gap of £15-20k for the 7.5 to 8.5
The wheels… I think they are genuine GTI option wheels but they have been sprayed all black. I’m just trying to locate a match via autotrader.
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Evo1986 and Fred make good point on waiting times but there is always the old adage….Good things come to those who wait😂😂
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That 7.5 looks a good spec, Dynaudio, art velours and Seville wheels, all options. Low mileage and what appears to be a set of recent Michelins, PS4 or PS5 so someone has cared for it. No idea if the price is good or not but the car definitely looks worthy of viewing.
As for 7.5 or 8.5. Why not buy a 7.5, great car and you could have had a couple of years out of it before your 8.5 turns up. If you still wanted one. :whistle:
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Evo1986 and Fred make good point on waiting times but there is always the old adage….Good things come to those who wait😂😂
Not always... Read the rest of this board!
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Evo1986 and Fred make good point on waiting times but there is always the old adage….Good things come to those who wait😂😂
Not always... Read the rest of this board!
Good point, but surely they can’t screw up the 8.5 too
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Evo1986 and Fred make good point on waiting times but there is always the old adage….Good things come to those who wait😂😂
Not always... Read the rest of this board!
Good point, but surely they can’t screw up the 8.5 too
All brand new models have issues.... all of them.... even facelifts. Remember foglight gate?
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Evo1986 and Fred make good point on waiting times but there is always the old adage….Good things come to those who wait😂😂
Not always... Read the rest of this board!
Good point, but surely they can’t screw up the 8.5 too
I wouldn’t count on that being the case. And if they do screw it up, based on VW’s track record of fixing issues with the mk8, it’ll take some time before issues are resolved - that’s if VW actually manage to resolve them :whistle:.
All brand new models have issues.... all of them.... even facelifts. Remember foglight gate?
Agree. The facelift of the current Polo has more issues than the pre-facelift car if discussions on the Polo forum are anything to go by.
I do remember fog light gate too :grin:.
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Better imho to pursue a nice MK7.5 GTi. Run it and enjoy it until the 8.5 is released here. Makes good £ sense. You might get used to a car that just works, doesn’t bong or ping all the time.
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That 7.5 GTI looks nice.
My crystal ball gazing is a bit hit and miss, but seeing as the Golf Black Edition has recently been punted onto the market with a bit of internet spamming to promote it then that signals an end of line special edition. Coupled with sunroofs disappearing from ordering making the model rundown assembly simpler (towards the end of 7.5 production VW punted out loads of cars with sunroofs as maybe they had excess stocks of them and don’t want to be caught like that again).
I’m guessing maybe production line changes for March/April time similar to when the 7.5 was launched.
£2k deposit contribution has recently appeared on ALL Golfs where there was recently no incentives on GTI/CS/R models.
Six month model rundown started?
So, 7.5 or 8.5? My money would be on a discounted run out model 8.0 as the car market heads for pre-winter slowdown. There are a few ‘no options’ R20 Years in dealers right now with discounts.
As an aside, I recently got sent emails from VW about joining a ‘voice’ group. The subtext of this points toward disguising (amongst a load of meaningless chat) the roll out of fixed price purchases similar to what Mercedes Benz now do, as briefly discussed here. Mixed thoughts on this - no discounting but used models should hold value slightly better in a stage managed market.
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Looks a good spec but with prices beginning to stabilize not sure the price is right given the age and mileage but would certainly go for the 7.5 at this point in time.
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As an aside, I recently got sent emails from VW about joining a ‘voice’ group. The subtext of this points toward disguising (amongst a load of meaningless chat) the roll out of fixed price purchases similar to what Mercedes Benz now do, as briefly discussed here. Mixed thoughts on this - no discounting but used models should hold value slightly better in a stage managed market.
We’ve just bought a 520d touring as the new family car, it was “approved used”… BMW were very much the same, absolutely no discounts, not even a tank of fuel. It was very much a “take it or leave it” approach.
The dealer openly said, “we check autotrader, price at the lowest we can to meet margins and then price is fixed”. I even asked if the was any incentive for their finance over cash... Nope same price!
We liked the car so bought it, but, felt a very different experience from my last purchases.
The CS45, I was playing 2 main dealers off against each other and got 13% off list, then got a service plan and tank of fuel thrown in for good measure 😂.
My opinion of the mk7.5, looks good, I really liked my 7.5 GTD, I also had Dynaudio and thought it was better than the HK in the CS45.
Interesting point regarding the dynaudio though, I found a significant improvement in sound quality using Apple Music via USB rather than Bluetooth. Not sure why, might be discussed on here, I didn’t care, I just always plugged in.
I also remember fog light gate, I was waiting for my GTD, but it was a company car (LEX), so I couldn’t call a dealer to ask regarding fog lights, I was relieved when it had them, it was a March 2018.
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Not sure why you would go back in time unless it’s a true classic. Nothing lasts forever as my father says. You can get deals with dealers why some would not even give you a tank of fuel for and still want to do a deal with for not sure why you would do that!!!! Still got my ED45 still stunning car lots of extras. Golf R 20th edition lots of dealers offering cracking prices. One dealer is doing brand new at £43k Why a 7.5 ????? Time moves on and those that are waiting for a 8.5 will be waiting two years in that 😂
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Also, are those alloys genuine VW?
Yes they will probably be the black ones refubrbed (can't remember what they are called) with red outer (that look like you have alligator rim protectors fitted🤣)
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Also, are those alloys genuine VW?
Yes they will probably be the black ones refubrbed (can't remember what they are called) with red outer (that look like you have alligator rim protectors fitted🤣)
They’re 18” Seville alloys - the factory finish was anthracite grey with a red pinstripe around the rim. I’ve always liked them, even with the red pinstripe which is a bit of a ‘Marmite’ thing, and the anthracite grey finish hides the dirt well and is so much more durable than the rather poor durability of a diamond cut finish.
IMHO the only downside is they not the easiest alloy to clean as the design is quite ‘intricate’.
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Thanks all. Appreciate all the advice and comments.
I have thought long and hard about this the last few days and have decided to wait until the 8.5 is unveiled and then place my order for that once order books open. I do expect a longish wait, but I think times are starting to improve.
My mum recently bought a new Polo, appreciate it's not a performance model and Golf is slightly longer wait, however, she was quoted 6 months for delivery from ordering, however, car was built last week and dealer reckons we will have it middle of next month which will be just under 4 months from when we placed the order.
Saying that though, the wait alone for the unveiling of the 8.5 is not easy lol.
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If it was a Polo built last week then I wouldn’t expect it the middle of November… lots of sales people forget or don’t even know they are built in South Africa…. :grin:
When I was at VW a Polo from it being built to actually arriving with the retailer and being available for delivery is about 2 months….
It might be built but they don’t run ships daily from South Africa so manage her expectations and it should arrive before Xmas :wink:
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Shall we take some bets on what month in 2024 we will see a MK8.5 arrive in the UK.
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Shall we take some bets on what month in 2024 we will see a MK8.5 arrive in the UK.
If you mean a GTI then I'll be surprised if we see one before September. Those will be the initial dealer stock too.
Customer factory orders I reckon at least June 2025.