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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Legacywr on 03 January 2023, 21:48
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As per title, I’m quite interested in getting a Gti Performance as my next daily, I have some questions…
Do they come with the DCC as standard?
Is the Dynaudio worth searching out, it’s not that common?
Were the Art Velour seats an expensive option, what are they like in the flesh?
Finally, are they actually selling for the advertised prices, or are they sitting around for ages?
Thanks in advance :)
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Hi
DCC is not standard
The dynaudio is good, I had it on my mk7, its better than 2 BMW's I had with HK and a Ford with B&O since the mk7, but our mk7.5 doesn't have it and I don't miss it. Its very good but unlike other car manufacturers the standard audio isn't poor. (but I listen to random music and podcast so possibly not the best judge). Not many seem to have it so unless you are really into your audio I wouldn't hold out for it.
If you want a low mileage one owner, none lease car, manual, like I did, it was a bit of a hunt to find one strangely. I wasn't fussed on colour just the other things. Many were selling before the proper pictures came up on VW site and just showed as 'awaiting images' and I couldn't get to the front of the queue. If you have other less specific requirements or want a DSG I'm sure they sit around a little longer. TCR is DSG and I think the mark 8 is all DSG so it was my last best hope of getting back to a GTi in manual for me, and it would seem a pretty good car so perhaps that's why interest is higher?
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Good luck with your search.
In answer to your questions (in order)
No.
I have the standard stereo, works for me.
Never looked at seat options, wanted the Tartan (it’s a GTI).
A decent 7.5 on the market is like a hen’s tooth.
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Welcome Legacywr
As above, DCC was about a £900 option. Desired by many but far from essential.
Dynaudio rare but well worth the money. The standard audio is perfectly passable, however you can purchase a Helix subwoofer that will give near Dynaudio sound quality from VW dealers for around £600.
Art Velours microfibre was another £900ish option. It’s nice and grippy, warms up very quick on a cold morning even if you don’t use seat heaters, and isn’t too hot in summer unlike leather.
The only downside is it makes the interior of the car very black.
You don’t see many cars with this option.
The car market has been very odd reflecting the general oddness going on in the world so prices of GTI’s have been kept high along with just about everything else. Things are settling down a bit in the market and prices are definitely dropping lately, however strong demand for decent GTI’s will mean bargains will be few and far between.
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As with EB2019 took me a while to find a decent manual gti pp and ended with a standard build with no extras but was 2019 build
and known history so had all I really wanted. Audio is fine for me as just play my own usb playlists. Had dcc on a scirocco a while ago and was nice but not essential. Price after 2 years is still the same retail even with the extra mileage so as Exonian says the market is still a bit odd particularly with popular models. A few motor correspondents are still saying the 7.5 gti pp is the car to have and this may be a factor in pricing. Best of luck in your search.
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Whilst mine wasn't a PP, it had all the options you mention, and commanded top dollar when I sold it in November at just over 4.5 years old. This was mine - Dynaudio, DCC, Fully Adaptive lights, with side assist, rear assist, blind spot detection, Traffic Jam Assist, 19" Brescia's, keyless locking, heated windscreen, wireless phone charging and art velours interior.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/825/27039774177_02e6742fca_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/HcpUP4)
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Art Velours trim was what i would've wanted had i bought a GTI, i think its lovely. :smiley:
I have DCC on my CS and the suspensions never been on anything other than comfort!!
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I specced DCC as only option but now wish I had spent the extra on Arts Velour instead.
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I specced DCC as only option but now wish I had spent the extra on Arts Velour instead.
Having had both on different cars I’d agree with you.
DCC totally overrated in a sports hatch and Arts Velour underrated.
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For maximum value of Art Velours one must dawn their birthday suit whilst driving, otherwise what's the point? :grin: I've had leather twice now and I wish I had the art velours just depends what condition you can get it in.
Regards to Dynaudio, in my opinion the standard speakers with the Helix accessory is a better than dynaudio, as there's more customisability versus the Dynaudio system.
I've had my GTI for two-ish years put on 17k miles and it's still worth what I paid, so it is weird times but all cars are like this currently, just try buying a £500 run around they're all £3k now.
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For maximum value of Art Velours one must dawn their birthday suit whilst driving, otherwise what's the point? :grin: I've had leather twice now and I wish I had the art velours just depends what condition you can get it in.
Regards to Dynaudio, in my opinion the standard speakers with the Helix accessory is a better than dynaudio, as there's more customisability versus the Dynaudio system.
I've had my GTI for two-ish years put on 17k miles and it's still worth what I paid, so it is weird times but all cars are like this currently, just try buying a £500 run around they're all £3k now.
It’s clearly because folk are queuing to go down the EV route😂
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My own 7.5 has all the options you mention and the arts velour seats are pretty classy imo. The dynaudio has a great quality to it and definitely didn’t regret getting it. I have the slide and tilt sunroof and. Is great in the better weather. Allows lot of light into the cabin
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Thanks for your replies :)
There is an Issac blue 5 door for sale (preferred) manual, 2018, standard alloys, Dynaudio and Art Velour seats, private seller, quite interested.
Just to add, I didn’t know they did a heated screen, is this rare?
Interesting about the sub, is the wiring already in place, and is there already a location for the sub? If I drop the Dynaudio as being essential, it opens me up to a lot more cars.
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Heated screen was an option on mine (which I ticked) - well worth it IMO.
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Thanks for your replies :)
There is an Issac blue 5 door for sale (preferred) manual, 2018, standard alloys, Dynaudio and Art Velour seats, private seller, quite interested.
Just to add, I didn’t know they did a heated screen, is this rare?
Interesting about the sub, is the wiring already in place, and is there already a location for the sub? If I drop the Dynaudio as being essential, it opens me up to a lot more cars.
The wiring isn't in place you need to run a loom (very simple 30 min job in a 5 door), and all connections are plug and play there's two very good videos detailing it all on YouTube. The sub fits in the spare wheel well or on top of the spare if you remove the feet of it.
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Is the heated screen that great? Just pour water on it if it's frozen up.
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Same with heated steering wheel.
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Is the heated screen that great? Just pour water on it if it's frozen up.
Same with heated steering wheel.
What you’ve never had, you never miss :smiley:.
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Is the heated screen that great? Just pour water on it if it's frozen up.
Same with heated steering wheel.
What you’ve never had, you never miss :smiley:.
I can get behind a heated wheel but there is no way that a heated screen is quicker than a bottle of water.
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Heated screen takes 2 mins - 2mins 30 secs to fully defrost thick ice at least in mine it does, bottle of water is much quicker. I think it's more for when you're caught out eg park at work and it freezes over again.
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Nobody has chipped in to offer me their well spec’d car? :(
:)
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Heated screen takes 2 mins - 2mins 30 secs to fully defrost thick ice at least in mine it does, bottle of water is much quicker. I think it's more for when you're caught out eg park at work and it freezes over again.
Mines a bit quicker than that but in the really cold conditions used to use warm water on the wife’s polo and it always froze up again. And you are 100% correct, best use is when you are away from home etc.
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Heated screen also stops the inside from misting up too. Bottle of water doesn't really work for that :whistle:
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Heated screen also stops the inside from misting up too. Bottle of water doesn't really work for that :whistle:
Hot water would. Also, blowers
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Heated screen also stops the inside from misting up too. Bottle of water doesn't really work for that :whistle:
Hot water would. Also, blowers
Cold blowers won’t stop it.
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How much better is the 7.5 over a 7?
It seems there are a lot more R’s around than PP Gti’s, what are the running costs in comparison?
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Digital dash and LED headlights are a plus on the 7.5
R slightly thirstier, otherwise running costs aren’t hugely different.
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If you want a Dsg box the 7 speed on the 7.5 PP is a step up, over the 6 speed on the mk7.
Indicators are cooler on the 7.5?
Having said that a low mileage well cared for mk7 may well be a better car to own than a neglected 7.5?
7 for me though as you can get the R engine in a GTi with a manual 6 speed, not available in the 7.5 ;)
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I actually prefer the traditional dials in the Mk7 to those over the 7.5.
The 7.5 rear lights are better though.
The rest is pretty much the same.
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Only had a quick spin in a 7R but by all accounts they're a bit muted to drive, yes a very capable cross country car, but lack the ultimate excitement of the nimble FWD GTI.
Plus they're nothing really special to look at IMO.
Traditional dials is what I prefer too.
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I spent around 18 months with a 7R and I’d not describe them as muted. The engine is very revvy and eager and you’ve only got to push the car a little for it to really wake up in both engine and suspension.
It’s very docile pootling around but soon wakes up.
I think the fact they’re so competent at everything that they get slated by some but that’s missing the point IMO. Drive it quick and it just deals with it.
A bit too understated to look at I’ll agree though.
The R is a bit like that kid in school who got all A’s, was captain of the cricket team, played well in every other sport and always turned up on time with uniform looking perfect.
The GTI is that kid’s little brother, slightly less academic but had a twinkle in their eye and their shirt untucked by the end of lunch break.
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What’s the difference between a Gti Performance and a Clubsport 40?
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What’s the difference between a Gti Performance and a Clubsport 40?
Some good info here.
https://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=287443.0
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What’s the difference between a Gti Performance and a Clubsport 40?
CS40 has:
Unique bodykit with added aero
Unique wheels (at the time)
Unique seats (with buckets as an option that get enthusiasts very excited)
Alcantara steering wheel
No ambient lighting unless leather specced
Unique suspension settings
Unique exhaust
And a pair of Leon Cupra engine tunes in one ECU setting (265 PS with 290 on overboost)
Unique number plaque
And probably lots more that I’ve forgotten
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Wasn't there an aluminium sub frame too?
IMHO the ultimate Mk7 is the TCR... rolled up all of the good bits into one kick ass package.
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Above what I’m willing to pay unfortunately.
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Another car I’m considering is Peugeot 308 Gti, I know a few owners of these have come form Golfs, has anybody on here any experience of them?
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Wasn't there an aluminium sub frame too?
My CS40 has a normal pressed steel subframe, although im pretty sure the Clubsport S came with the aluminium subframe.
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Wasn't there an aluminium sub frame too?
My CS40 has a normal pressed steel subframe, although im pretty sure the Clubsport S came with the aluminium subframe.
Correct, a disappointing cost saving by VW when even base Audi A3 of a similar vintage had the ali subframe.
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Another car I’m considering is Peugeot 308 Gti, I know a few owners of these have come form Golfs, has anybody on here any experience of them?
These share the Mini Cooper S 1.6L engine, let's just say you may appear to get more for your money with the Pug?
I'm not anti Peugeot, I had 205 1.9 & 306 Rallye (which was better!), after driving a 307, no Pugs have appealed since the 306!
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Wasn't there an aluminium sub frame too?
IMHO the ultimate Mk7 is the TCR... rolled up all of the good bits into one kick ass package.
Yeah fully understand you, and the clear 'imho' but it was only DSG, I would have been happy to pick one up but couldn't have my last ice car as a DSG. Although it may be the superior box I wonder if they would have sold more if manual?
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Wasn't there an aluminium sub frame too?
IMHO the ultimate Mk7 is the TCR... rolled up all of the good bits into one kick ass package.
Yeah fully understand you, and the clear 'imho' but it was only DSG, I would have been happy to pick one up but couldn't have my last ice car as a DSG. Although it may be the superior box I wonder if they would have sold more if manual?
DSg didn't appeal to me..... I think the TCR was always likely to be a relatively limited production run, so VW went with the common denominators that sold well in the GTi range, as in DSg & 5 door. Posssibly why they dropped the 3 door TCR early on and it never appeared in the Mk8?
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Apparently, it’s not the same engine since 2016, and is as trouble free as any?
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On alternative Peugeot 308GTI, I wasn’t aware such a thing even existed until I read this thread.
I’ve never knowingly seen one and I am a car gazer. Will certainly have rarity as a bonus.
Would be interested in any opinions, not that I am tempted. Just a nerd!
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The 308 Gti didn’t sell well, which makes them rare, they’re advertised at strong money now.
They do well in group tests, but never come 1st.
260-270 bhp, nice interior, nice ride, has a hooligan side, extremely economical for this type of car.
The front discs are Alcon and £1600 a pair…
Available in 2-tone, I quite like it…
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211101539643
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308gti was highly praised at launch. Beat the golf gti in a Car magazine group test in 2017, which tells you that journos enjoy driving it for a few hours on some deserted Welsh roads. I don’t know any that own one though ( unlike the golf)
Have to agree with @clubsport, great hatchbacks in the 90s, the 306 was the peak, nothing of note since.
This caught my eye last year..
https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-spottedykywt/last-ever-registered-peugeot-306-rallye-for-sale/45734
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I don't mind the external styling on some of the Peugeots, and they do seem to get good review writeups.
But I've never been able to get on with the oddball dash layout.
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I think many people stayed away from the 308 GTi due to the engine. I am sure it was sorted by the time the 308 came out, but early versions of the "Prince" engine were notoriously troublesome and reputations can stick.
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OP - how about a Leon Cupra? You can get a 290/300PS manual for a decent price. Smart looking too.
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I try to like the Leon, but the looks just don’t do it for me?
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Every time I see a Leon I always think of the Golf advert from a few years ago comparing other cars to the benchmark - ‘it’s just like a Golf’
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The Leon's just feel cheap in comparison to a Golf, hard scratchy plastic everywhere, church pew seats, gimmicky features. There's a reason they cost less, good car if you know you don't need the refinement.
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Looks are of course subjective but look what you get. Golf R engine, great seats and brakes, and with a manual!
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Agreed on the Cupra.
Granted, if you don’t like the look of them then you’ll probably never gel with the car.
And if you spend your days sat scratching interior plastics then you’re not going to love a Leon. Or most other cars in the class.
Look past that and you’ve got all the good bits of the Golf mk7 range in one package as a great drivers car that’s also very solidly built and doesn’t have any more or less reliability issues than a Golf mk7(.5)
Or an Octavia vRS?
The 308 GTI is an interesting suggestion though. A bit different, looks good, should be fun.
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If you don't go for a Golf I think the natural opposite in the guises of the Focus ST and Megane RS are the best alternatives that can still deliver a similar level of quality.
Personally I think the Renault may be a hair nicer looking on the exterior.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202208289204273?onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&model=Megane&include-delivery-option=on&postcode=bt275pr&price-to=19000&sort=relevance&make=Renault&aggregatedTrim=R.S.280&advertising-location=at_cars&radius=1500&page=1&percentVehiclePriceDeposit=true
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202210180840113?include-delivery-option=on&price-to=19000&model=Focus&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&postcode=bt275pr&aggregatedTrim=ST-3&sort=mileage&advertising-location=at_cars&make=Ford&radius=1500&page=1&percentVehiclePriceDeposit=true
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Didn’t know you could get the Megane for that sort of money…
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Wasn't there an aluminium sub frame too?
IMHO the ultimate Mk7 is the TCR... rolled up all of the good bits into one kick ass package.
Yeah fully understand you, and the clear 'imho' but it was only DSG, I would have been happy to pick one up but couldn't have my last ice car as a DSG. Although it may be the superior box I wonder if they would have sold more if manual?
DSg didn't appeal to me..... I think the TCR was always likely to be a relatively limited production run, so VW went with the common denominators that sold well in the GTi range, as in DSg & 5 door. Posssibly why they dropped the 3 door TCR early on and it never appeared in the Mk8?
3dr was dropped from the entire golf range so wasn't just the TCR where you couldn't get one. VW were never going to do a 3dr mk8
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Wasn't there an aluminium sub frame too?
IMHO the ultimate Mk7 is the TCR... rolled up all of the good bits into one kick ass package.
Yeah fully understand you, and the clear 'imho' but it was only DSG, I would have been happy to pick one up but couldn't have my last ice car as a DSG. Although it may be the superior box I wonder if they would have sold more if manual?
DSg didn't appeal to me..... I think the TCR was always likely to be a relatively limited production run, so VW went with the common denominators that sold well in the GTi range, as in DSg & 5 door. Posssibly why they dropped the 3 door TCR early on and it never appeared in the Mk8?
3dr was dropped from the entire golf range so wasn't just the TCR where you couldn't get one. VW were never going to do a 3dr mk8
Obviously, we were discussing the TCR configuration and I pointed out how "VW went with the common denominators that sold well in the GTi range" and why the range changed at this point in time! :)
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Didn’t know you could get the Megane for that sort of money…
Having driven one of these, they do handle well, faster steering than the GTi, it felt heavier than I expected, but then it is a 5 door hatch? Nice seats, but cheap interior plastics if you had a look around the cabin.
Personally I would buy one of these over a 308, I think they have more of a following among hot hatch enthusiasts.
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I did look at Cupra's before going for my Golf.
I don't regret it to be honest. The Golf already struggles to get it's power down at times, the Cupra would be worse.
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I did look at Cupra's before going for my Golf.
I don't regret it to be honest. The Golf already struggles to get it's power down at times, the Cupra would be worse.
I haven't driven a Cupra but my TCR has the same engine and you would be surprised. My MK7PP was a terror with the wheel hop and spin but the TCR really isn't. The difference is in the turbos, the IS20 develops lots of low down torque but with the IS38 it comes in a bit higher up the rev range. Tyres make a huge difference too, when I swapped to Michelins on the PP it virtually cured the traction issues.
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I think if I was in the market for another hot hatch, it'd be the Mégane RS for me. Really really like them and that yellow is absolutely superb
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Personally if I was going for a hatch over around 250bhp I would want RWD or 4WD
You only have to compare the Cupra acceleration times to that of a Golf R to see the difference it makes at lower, real world speeds.
There are only a few FWD cars that get much under 6.0 seconds 0-60 due to traction limitations, and it can make a car a handful in the corners.
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Being the fastest isn’t important to me, I want a nice grown up car, that can also provide a turn of speed when I feel like it :)
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Personally if I was going for a hatch over around 250bhp I would want RWD or 4WD
You only have to compare the Cupra acceleration times to that of a Golf R to see the difference it makes at lower, real world speeds.
There are only a few FWD cars that get much under 6.0 seconds 0-60 due to traction limitations, and it can make a car a handful in the corners.
I thought the same until I tuned my GTI. Thing is an absolute hoot now
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I think if I was in the market for another hot hatch, it'd be the Mégane RS for me. Really really like them and that yellow is absolutely superb
I've had a Megane (Coupe from around 1998 with the Williams Clio 2l lump) and a couple of other Renaults.... never again! Nightmare!
I think the only other thing I'd consider would be a CTR but even those in the latest model lack the things I love about my Golf. Considering Honda like to trade on technology superiority, they don't really.
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Being the fastest isn’t important to me, I want a nice grown up car, that can also provide a turn of speed when I feel like it :)
1 series BMW F40 or a Mk8 Golf/A3 really then... and the Golf is a better drivers car than the understeering F40
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A 1 series hatch really isn’t on the cards!
This is nice, but he wants 25k for it, which is too much.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211302161384
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A 1 series hatch really isn’t on the cards!
This is nice, but he wants 25k for it, which is too much.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211302161384
A nice apecification car, I am confused why someone would advertise at £27k and be willing to take £25k,,, why not advertise at £25.5k, you may get more interest?
I can see that car at £24k privately due to the spec..... £24.5k if you really want it?
One thing you may want to look into if buying a GTi privately, this one appears to be out of warranty, as it's not mentioned?
Quite a few, if not some of us. :) Have an all in package with VW, 2 x services, 2 years warranty, 2 x mot and 2 year AA cover for between £25-30 a month depending on deal available. This could take some concern out of buying a car privately?
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Apologies if I've missed it, but what's the budget?
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A 1 series hatch really isn’t on the cards!
This is nice, but he wants 25k for it, which is too much.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211302161384
Madness how the market has gone, I got mine with 3k miles on it at the same price.
This probably doesn't help but I still really like the Edition 35's and even more the Edition 30's! Once you get away from the tech, they're still great cars. A 140i is also a nice in a last of its kind appeal, fuel economy not so nice.
In my experience since covid, you very much need to start taking scanners and paint gauges to view cars now even at dealers, I've never seen so much crap being funnelled for sale currently. I've seen budget tyres on m3's and tyres fitted the wrong way on Ferrari's not rotation ones the actual tyre mounted the wrong way...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202208178873735?onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&model=Golf&keywords=edition%2035&advertising-location=at_cars&year-to=2023&postcode=bt275pr&include-delivery-option=on&sort=mileage&make=Volkswagen&radius=1500&page=1&percentVehiclePriceDeposit=true
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Personally if I was going for a hatch over around 250bhp I would want RWD or 4WD
You only have to compare the Cupra acceleration times to that of a Golf R to see the difference it makes at lower, real world speeds.
There are only a few FWD cars that get much under 6.0 seconds 0-60 due to traction limitations, and it can make a car a handful in the corners.
That’s a whole debate in itself.
Life ain’t about 0 - 60’s, well mine isn’t!
But the fact there’s a gazillion R’s to every Clubsport or TCR sold shows many share your views.
0-60 is assuming all wheels pointing in the same direction, no traffic car sat behind you and good launch techniques.
4wd can bog down (owned an R and experienced it) plus carries more weight. Tyres are still limited to laws of physics, so overconfidence can lead to lateral adhesion limit discovery (a sideways skid or spin). Plenty of crashes R’s to prove it.
RWD in a short wheelbase high torque application? Better have quick reflexes!
FWD 290bhp with a clever diff that has many of the benefits of the R’s haldex laterally, an advanced traction control system and the ability to modulate a throttle pedal? Well this is a GTI forum after all, and a Cupra is just a faster GTI.
Thankfully we have lots of choice to match different wants, needs and preconceptions.
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A 1 series hatch really isn’t on the cards!
This is nice, but he wants 25k for it, which is too much.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211302161384
Madness how the market has gone, I got mine with 3k miles on it at the same price.
This probably doesn't help but I still really like the Edition 35's and even more the Edition 30's! Once you get away from the tech, they're still great cars. A 140i is also a nice in a last of its kind appeal, fuel economy not so nice.
In my experience since covid, you very much need to start taking scanners and paint gauges to view cars now even at dealers, I've never seen so much crap being funnelled for sale currently. I've seen budget tyres on m3's and tyres fitted the wrong way on Ferrari's not rotation ones the actual tyre mounted the wrong way...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202208178873735?onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&model=Golf&keywords=edition%2035&advertising-location=at_cars&year-to=2023&postcode=bt275pr&include-delivery-option=on&sort=mileage&make=Volkswagen&radius=1500&page=1&percentVehiclePriceDeposit=true
Agree about madness. Mine had 3.8k and was a fair bit cheaper but without the audio saving 10k from new at 18 months old. Also agree that dealers are selling on cars with hidden histories so buyer beware.
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Very good points raised by Will.
And definitely worth keeping in mind the Ed30 and 35 as they were bulletproof, simple to maintain and lack the gimmicky tech the latest cars have (albeit they also lack the wonderful matrix LED’s) which should ensure less problems down the line.
Obviously subject to how the older car has been used and maintained.
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ED 30 / 35 are great cars, but I would put them in the hobby car rather than daily driver classifications now... A nice example will be hard to find at a good price after they have been around for so long.
Great cars if you are nostalgic for cambelt & waterpump services? :)
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That’s a whole debate in itself.
Life ain’t about 0 - 60’s, well mine isn’t!
But the fact there’s a gazillion R’s to every Clubsport or TCR sold shows many share your views.
0-60 is assuming all wheels pointing in the same direction, no traffic car sat behind you and good launch techniques.
4wd can bog down (owned an R and experienced it) plus carries more weight. Tyres are still limited to laws of physics, so overconfidence can lead to lateral adhesion limit discovery (a sideways skid or spin). Plenty of crashes R’s to prove it.
RWD in a short wheelbase high torque application? Better have quick reflexes!
FWD 290bhp with a clever diff that has many of the benefits of the R’s haldex laterally, an advanced traction control system and the ability to modulate a throttle pedal? Well this is a GTI forum after all, and a Cupra is just a faster GTI.
Thankfully we have lots of choice to match different wants, needs and preconceptions.
0-60 isn't everything, but it a useful marker of a cars acceleration and how it puts power down.
I have had a few RWD cars and as long as they are treated with respect then there shouldn't be too many issues. I had a TVR Griffith for a couple of years, and got quite used to being careful in the wet and in tight corners. No traction control to save you with those and despite being a lot madder and younger then i survived without any spins or crashes.
The Golf FWD is a capable car but the wheelspin is annoying. I get that part of it is down to the tyres, but unless you get racing slicks and run them in the dry you are always going to be front traction limited to some degree. Either the wheels will spin or the traction control will cut the power. I find the worst times are exiting roundabouts and pulling away on an incline.
I would guess the reason so many R's get crashed is because they lull the driver into a false sense of security. They just grip with little feedback, until the laws of physics have been broken and you end up heading for the scenery.
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ED 30 / 35 are great cars, but I would put them in the hobby car rather than daily driver classifications now... A nice example will be hard to find at a good price after they have been around for so long.
Great cars if you are nostalgic for cambelt & waterpump services? :)
And exactly who wouldn’t relish a £600 bill for cam belt and water pump every couple years? :grin:
Fine points raised clubsport, but mk5’s happily run to big ol’ mileages and I was thinking along the lines of a buyer using a bit of common sense as to their actual usage, for example homeworkers, public transport commuters, company van drivers and so on where the car will cover a low mileage and probably be a second car in the family.
Here’s a mate’s mk5 GTI, literally just taken today, 160k and still a tidy car, well serviced but not fiddled with constantly
(https://i.postimg.cc/65LDMVDx/B35-BFC83-3-D43-4947-B986-0-C081-E42-BA44.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Yh0n9Frd)
symonh2000:
I’d feel safer and warmer in a 300 bhp Golf or Leon FWD’er than a TVR! :grin:
Funnily enough the father of owner of the mk5 GTI above collects old TVR’s. Soul stirring machines.
I’ve had a series of high powered FWD Golfs over the years, some standard and some ECU tuned and I’ve never had massive issues with traction. Yes, I get the odd moment but I find generally just using the turbo boost to build naturally with gentle throttle input before flooring it gets the car into fast moving traffic situations without too much drama and the car still accelerates faster than most of the traffic on the road.
Mind you I’ve grown up with FWD hot hatches so it’s second nature to me.
Talking of 0-60 times, probably around 5.5 seconds would be a reasonable maximum for a FWD 1500 kg hot hatch no matter what the horsepower (happy to be proven wrong) but you could probably achieve that reasonably undramatically in a high horsepower using less than 100% throttle and about the same by mashing the pedal and wheel spinning through the first three gears.
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TVR's are warm enough inside, in fact too hot. Due to the huge exhaust and engine the heat soaks though to the cabin and you wouldn't want to use on on a summers day with the roof up.
I would agree though they are not safe, my dad had a relatively minor accident in a Chimaera and broke his back and fractured his skull.
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I could push to 25k. I would rather not though.
That Isaac blue car is nice, he tells me he’s been offered 25k by a dealer (surely he would have sold it???)
Well spec’d cars in the right colour are thin on the ground.
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I could push to 25k. I would rather not though.
That Isaac blue car is nice, he tells me he’s been offered 25k by a dealer (surely he would have sold it???)
Well spec’d cars in the right colour are thin on the ground.
My car is on 20.2k miles, has more options, two sets of alloys and pff'd front end and I was offered £21k for mine yesterday by the main dealer. Current trade in prices are £18.5k for poor condition and £21.5k for good cars.
With interest rates going up I wouldn't push to £25k and unless you're desperate for a car in the next month ie have to hand one back, just leave it on the back burner for a while you'll get a good car at the price you want to pay within 6 months.
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I could push to 25k. I would rather not though.
That Isaac blue car is nice, he tells me he’s been offered 25k by a dealer (surely he would have sold it???)
Well spec’d cars in the right colour are thin on the ground.
This is always the case, it doesn't quite ring true why he has not sold @ £25k, but then the £27k asking is odd?
I have had GTi's for years as the runaround alongside sillier cars, when my current car came up I jumped from my, then current GTi as this was the exact spec I wanted and literally unobtainium at the price.
The reason i say that, is that I knew exactly what I wanted and still see no reason to chnage.....
You seem more open to other options than a Golf GTi for your next car ( a good thing!), the point is unless you have found your unicorn there is no point paying up for it, if you are not sure it is exactly what you want.
Quite honestly the 5 door dsg PP you posted, could literally be the only and last ICE car you may ever need, that may not be the case for you.
Have you test driven one yet?
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Are you selling then?
BTW I put the Isaac blue car through WBAC, it came back just over 21k.
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… no I haven’t driven a Mk7, there’s no doubt that I’ll like them though.
There are very few cars available to look at, and I don’t want to waste anybody's time test driving a car that isn’t at a spec I want to buy.
Most are poverty spec :(
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Are you selling then?
BTW I put the Isaac blue car through WBAC, it came back just over 21k.
Only if I find an equal spec Clubsport or TCR, I'm in no rush I know it will take me 2-3 years to find it.
… no I haven’t driven a Mk7, there’s no doubt that I’ll like them though.
There are very few cars available to look at, and I don’t want to waste anybody's time test driving a car that isn’t at a spec I want to buy.
Most are poverty spec :(
Depending on usage a GTD could be all you need if you haven't test driven a mk7 yet. I loved my old one and would happily move back into it again, although 70bhp less power it still felt quick with the torque of the diesel.
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Is this post turning into ‘webuyanycar.com’?
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Ha, no, but it’s become the benchmark for car values.
Also, I don’t buy diesel cars.
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WBAC in my experience offer poor desktop valuations and even poorer offers once they have nitpicked over your pride and joy.
Avoid!
Motorway are better, Arnold Clark too.
But the best recent valuation I got was Cazoo. 2K better than Cinch.
Shame I’m not selling.
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Remember a dealer will put a min £2k on a buy in to cover profit and problems plus, in the case of a “VW Approved Used Car” at least a full check, service and MOT if necessary and at least one year’s VW Warranty and often VW Breakdown. And a 14 day return option.
These dealer benefits are important when buying anything more than 30 months old.
So, valuations and values are all very well but are you comparing apples with apples???
Caveat Emptor.
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Still struggling, I may need to up my budget, but then I’m also well into Clubsport 40 money…
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I recall you were looking for a Dsg car?
The mk7 Ed40 has the 6 speed box where as the 7.5 PP Dsg comes with the better 7 speed.
If you want the better (more poweerful) engine with the larger turbo & later Dsg box you are really looking for a TCR?
There goes the budget! :)
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Doesn’t have to be DSG, I wouldn’t surprised if that’s what I ended up with though.
I hear some people prefer the longer geared 6?
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If you're upping the budget I'd go with an ED40 with a bit of spec around it, will hold its value much better than the rest. You'd need to join the Facebook owners club though as most private sales happen through it to get one with Dynaudio, Recaros etc.
DSG vs Manual imo depends on your mileage in a year, up to 10k miles go manual, over 10k go DSG. The manual is much more rewarding to drive but the DSG is fiercely great.
Also with the Clubsport you should factor in a radio upgrade to the MIB2.5 from the facelift so bring up the interior quality, I think it's circa £500 for the smaller screen which is the one I'd go for.
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Good price for a main dealer, high spec too, not sure I want white though?
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202301193402627
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Good price for a main dealer, high spec too, not sure I want white though?
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202301193402627
High spec, yet relatively high miles?
The colour is a matallic white silver, this doesn't photograph that well to give an accurate representation? It looks more of a light grey and changes in different light. Quite a rare colour that they only did for a relatively short time. It is a little "marmite", I personally like it a lot and would choose it over reflex slver, each to their own?
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May also be able to chip them down a bit on price if you're willing to walk away from it.
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Good price for a main dealer, high spec too, not sure I want white though?
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202301193402627
White Silver is a 2018 only colour and imo the best colour, I got so many compliments from random people on the colour and my brother continues to.
6.5k miles a year, not high by any shout. Personally I really like that one, sanitagos were also the more expensive wheel option on the Gti's.
My old White Silver GTD for reference (old number plate I sold before anyone thinks I finally let guard down :grin:)
(https://i.postimg.cc/s2wg6y8d/IMG-8947.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/1gVS4xsJ)
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Oh, this is the one that looks like pearl/metallic white?
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Oh, this is the one that looks like pearl/metallic white?
Yes, sort of. :) It can look like a light grey, a friend has an RS4 in a similar colour & it looks great!
On the miles, I wasn't implying it was crazy high, but the car has a great spec and reasonably priced for the miles.....
The last 7.5 you posted had <20k miles from memory...the ad has been removed, maybe it has been sold to appear at a delaership for sale soon?
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Oh, this is the one that looks like pearl/metallic white?
That’s Oryx White. White Silver has more of bluish tinge to it.
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Yes, sort of. :) It can look like a light grey, a friend has an RS4 in a similar colour & it looks great!
On the miles, I wasn't implying it was crazy high, but the car has a great spec and reasonably priced for the miles.....
The last 7.5 you posted had <20k miles from memory...the ad has been removed, maybe it has been sold to appear at a delaership for sale soon?
Ahh I'm too used to people saying about high miles :whistle:
I'd say mileage and price is about right really it's very hard to keep track of the market but I'd view that white silver as good value, goodyears on the front would indicate to me an owner that actually cared about the car as well so less likely driven hard cold.
Needs a set of the eBay polishing cones taken to the rear exhausts with a bit of autosol but that's about it. It has the nicer edgeless mirror as well like the mk8's but was discontinued in the mk7.5's in 2019.
Standard cloth interior is always a nice place to sit and wears better than the leather which came from factory saggy. I'd change the alloys but that's a personal preference and Santiagos are fetching good money now, to let you migrate into either different 19s and reuse the tyres or they would pay for a set of 18s.
I also prefer the smaller radio with the dials as you can use them to prevent smudges on the screen!
I'd 100% go look at that car.
That’s Oryx White. White Silver has more of bluish tinge to it.
The adverts says it's white silver metallic :smiley:
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How do we feel about ‘3 owners’?
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How do we feel about ‘3 owners’?
As with the mileage, it could be lower, it's not unreasonable for a car that will be 5 years old in 2023?
This car has been well specified and was not one of the cheap lease deal cars, it would have cost too miuch, On that basis, it has probably had owners who have sought out a car like this and probably looked after it, so three owners is plausible.
Conversely you could find a 3 year old leased car come up for sale that has just been a tool and not looked after by the single owner. I'm not sure that is ideal, despite the low owner count?
You probably need to look it over in the metal to see how it has been cared for, there don't appear to be any obvious issues from the photos.
As many of us said at the start, you will probably have to compromise on something finding a suitable GTi in the right spec, at the right price at the right time.
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Registering a new car prior to sale to offer a 'discount' to an existing customer isn't something new in the trade and is very common. Realistically the car has had probably had 2 owners, the original and the 2nd and the 'first' was Volkswagen registering it to someones mate then taking it back to knock £5k off list.
I'd also say that the Gtd / Gti / R was a popular car for people to just go and purchase following the covid pcp cars being handed back, until they either found job security or used it as a place stay for a new car they had ordered but had to wait a further few months until their new one was delivered. I noticed it heavily with the TCRs as stock across the uk went extremely low and has now levelled out again.
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Contacted the dealer, well the phone answering agent, haven’t heard back yet?
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Mine was a preregistration car and have the necessary paperwork/mileage/dates that show it. Not unusual for dealers to hit targets at the end of their contracts or for "mates rates" as said previously. Could account for one of the "owners".
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Good price for a main dealer, high spec too, not sure I want white though?
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202301193402627
Deposit placed…
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Well done, have you examined & test driven the car, or is the deposit subject to that?
From the advert, it certainly looks a nice example.
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Just reserved it for £99, refundable, so…
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I got 18.5k for my 5.5 year old MK7.5 GTi PP (28k miles) from VW dealer which was not bad tbh so goes to show they are still pulling decent money.
It went up for sale on their forecourt a day or two ago and I will most likely see it until it's sold when I pass by.
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Which car was this? I’m surprised you didn’t get more than that? What was the spec?
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It was a DSG with the below options, I could have got a bit more from the other suspects. Part of my decision to trade in was it needed some work doing before it's next service & mot which I was not prepared to do.
Rear View Camera
Dynaudio Excite Soundpack
Keyless Entry
19in Alloy Wheels - Santiago
Rear Tinted Glass
DCC - Dynamic Chassis Control
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Where it now?
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The dealer would have sorted the issues out for it to be an approved used VW
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202301133229270
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Ah, yes saw that, I like red, but don’t want to own one.
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Aye red isn't for everyone :whistle:
I fitted Michelin pilot sport 4 tyres but they have replaced the fronts with Pirelli's, there was still plenty of tread but I suppose maybe not enough for the approved used scheme.
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Well, traveled from Southampton upto Battersea, drove to Richmond as the trains are running properly, got the train the rest of the way.
Walked around their stock, introduced myself at reception, they contacted the sales manager. It was another 10 minutes before he appeared... he explained that somebody had broken procedure, taken the car to the Bodyshop to have a wheel refurbished without telling anybody, left the car there, and the bodyshop staff had gone home leaving the car locked inside...
I’ll have to go back up, but they’re knocking £500 off as a goodwill gesture!
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Please buy it before we get to 13 pages😂
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I believe you, but I don't believe that story from the dealer.
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Sounds dubious to me too. At my VW dealer they have a man in a van do the wheel refurbs onsite.
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How annoying, I suppose £500 is a start?
A curious tale, check the car over thoroughly in case one of the apprentices has taken it to the Nurburgring for the weekend and it has gone through Flugplatz on it's roof? :)
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Maybe as I get older I'm being more cynical but I that seems a fishy excuse.
If you do go back to look at the car and your up for buying I would defo haggle for more than £500 if they were happy to offer that straight away.
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Sounds dubious to me too. At my VW dealer they have a man in a van do the wheel refurbs onsite.
That sounds a lot more concerning to me.
My local takes the car to their own bodyshop (2 miles away), while another takes it to an external bodyshop. While many other dealerships send sets of wheels or take cars down to the refurbisher I use.
For £500 off to start and knowing all wheels should be 100% sounds good enough, take a torch and shine it on the alloys and if one has little scratching to the gloss black you'll know if they were telling the truth or not simple.
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Is this White Silver?
(https://i.postimg.cc/zBMsDcBF/07454-EDA-54-A9-4017-9-A14-D8-A49-D1-BA918.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0MYWcZ7z)
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Looks like Candy White (or the more recent name) to me? Looks like same colour as the wife’s Polo (when it’s clean).
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Looks like Candy White (or the more recent name) to me? Looks like same colour as the wife’s Polo (when it’s clean).
Good, as I don’t like it :)
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Looks ok on a Polo, not do sure on a GTI and it’s a pig to keep clean.
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Looks ok on a Polo, not do sure on a GTI and it’s a pig to keep clean.
I found white silver extreme easy to keep clean, much more forgiving than any other colours I've had and that was with a 250-350 a week commute and on building sites.
Mudflaps keep things much cleaner.
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Legacywr, if you are unsure about white silver & it is a dealbreaker. I would look on Autotrader for white VW's for sale and try to find one specifally in WS at a dealership nearer to you, rather than travelling up to London.
It is a marmite colour and rare on a GTi, I have seen a couple of WS 7.5 GTi's over the years and a few more R.
One good thing is exclusivity, I doubt you would ever park next to another WS 7.5 GTi with a pan roof & 19" Santiagos, even at GTi international? :)
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Looks ok on a Polo, not do sure on a GTI and it’s a pig to keep clean.
I found white silver extreme easy to keep clean, much more forgiving than any other colours I've had and that was with a 250-350 a week commute and on building sites.
Mudflaps keep things much cleaner.
I was referring to my wife’s Candy White Polo👍
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I’ve tried to find a car closer to look at, but nothing around. I’ve looked at plenty of YouTube videos, and like it in all of them.
It looks similar to the metallic white Lexus used around the same time?
Apart from the train service being pants atm, going to London isn’t that difficult.
I’m still in touch with the private seller of the Isaac blue car, but there’s no way I’m paying £25k privately.
There’s a fully spec’d silver, manual Clubsport 40 too…
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Legacywr, if you are unsure about white silver & it is a dealbreaker. I would look on Autotrader for white VW's for sale and try to find one specifally in WS at a dealership nearer to you, rather than travelling up to London.
It is a marmite colour and rare on a GTi, I have seen a couple of WS 7.5 GTi's over the years and a few more R.
One good thing is exclusivity, I doubt you would ever park next to another WS 7.5 GTi with a pan roof & 19" Santiagos, even at GTi international? :)
Agree that White Silver is a marmite colour - maybe its rarity suggests it wasn’t popular with the majority of buyers. The fact that it was dropped as a colour option after a relatively short time is perhaps confirmation of it not being that popular.
I’ve seen a few VW’s in White Silver. It looks quite nice in bright sunny lighting conditions, but in dull overcast conditions, to me it looks as if VW forgot to apply the colour coat and left the car in just the primer coat.
Not a colour I’d personally choose, but then we’re all individuals with different likes and dislikes and it’s good we don’t all like the same colours and same things :smiley:.
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Saw this R in my travels today…
https://www.normanmotors.co.uk/vehicle/volkswagen-golf-r-tsi-dsg-in-bournemouth-poole-adc139d7-220c-4e61-9e0b-c1379ebe7fce
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Going back to Lookers tomorrow (work permitting) or Saturday.
What should I be looking out for? Or can I just buy safe in the knowledge that it’s an approved used car with warranty?
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FSH / DSG if it has one & Haldex (if PP) service if over 3 years old / scuffs on wheels / tyres all the same type on each corner (shows a fastidious previous owner) / body panels all straight with no marks / interior ok with no marks also hatch ok with no damage and spare and tools ok. Infotainment system all ok, all functions work. Drives ok through the gears, disks ok with no scoring, no unusual vibrations or suspension knocks. Brakes in a straight line. All fluids ok and oil looks clean, has expansion tank got ‘Mit Silikat’ written on it? - if so check heater works ok and be prepared to remove the silica bag or buy a new tank - only costs £30, don’t bother mentioning to dealer. Stop / start works ok.
Probably more stuff to check that others will pick up on - Good Luck👍🤞
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https://video.citnow.com/vtLmJhq__gC
Does the link work?
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Yes, it looks ok from the video...
In that it has not been over prepared with lashings of tyre wall black etc...
It appears to be have been looked after in that the bells of the discs present in silver, where as these often have surface rust on them (unsightly but not a performance issue). The exhaust tips are not discoloured with exhaust deposit and not over polished.
Is that a stone chip at the end on the near side mirror.. I would have thought they would have touched that in, but shows the car is not "over" prepped fpr sale?
It would have been nice to see the interior.
Check the roof works smoothly,,, is it the original fitment, or has it been repaired due to a surround crack? ( search on this forum).
The Mot history looks honest with around 8k miles a year and no advisories,,, Check the services have been done on the car.
With that mileage, it's not a definite at all, but water pump housings can go around 30k miles and up,,,,has that been done on the car? Not a real issue if you have the warranty, but worth asking?
It looks OK from the video, no tell tale signs.
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No PPF by the looks of the exhausts? - when was that standard?
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Looks good, I'd request the alloys all get refurbed as part of the sale.
I agree looks like no GPF by the exhausts which would be a bonus in my book.
Would also request the sunroof gets serviced prior to services (Drain lines cleaned and regrease the runners)
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I had a June 18 reg GTI non pp, with Santiagos, a sunroof and keyless entry which I sold last June with 14k miles + VWfsh. Indium grey and had keyless; mint. 6 speed DSG no opf/ppf, better sound than those with. Nice car. I had it for 3.5 years. Any questions, just ask.
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Good evening,
Arrived at Lookers, walked around the used cars, which are all kept undercover, with artificial light, saw the car from a distance, and was a bit unsure ( maybe disappointed?) about the colour..
Went and introduced myself at reception and grabbed a coffee.
By the time I got back to the car for a test drive, I quite liked it, stopped on the test dive to have a look in bright daylight… and I loved it 😊
Matching tyres on both axels, Dunlop on the front, Pirelli on the back.
Great condition inside, with unmarked seats.
Full main dealer history, and a fresh service.
But, what’s this PPF?
(https://i.postimg.cc/wTcbZzYs/46-C823-FA-6744-463-F-86-C6-9692-A9-AF7-F93.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4my5HrdJ)
(https://i.postimg.cc/dV5NQ91s/6-A116968-3-AB3-473-E-8763-712-D64-A0-ABB3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/rDtNQxx3)
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PPF / GPF - Petrol or Gasoline Particulate Filter, an emissions filter. No great shakes if it hasn’t got one, advantage (if this is one), clean exhausts, disadvantage, can need a regen (i.e. a 20 min blast at over 60 mph). Some folk may say the exhaust note is different but I can’t comment on that.
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I'm not a fan of White Silver but must admit it looks great in your pictures. Congratulations :smiley:
Nice to see the Santiagos, they are a good looking wheel which I had on my last car. Pain in the backside to keep clean but well worth it.
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If it hasn't got a PPF/GPF then it should also have direct and indirect fuel injection, which means the valve's won't carbon up as fast as a later GTi with PPF/GPF, as they only have direct injection.
A look at the inlet manifold is the easiest way to tell.
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Right now it's bought, can we interest you in some modifications? :wink:
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If it hasn't got a PPF/GPF then it should also have direct and indirect fuel injection, which means the valve's won't carbon up as fast as a later GTi with PPF/GPF, as they only have direct injection.
A look at the inlet manifold is the easiest way to tell.
Wise words👍
Forgot about that, it was mentioned when I bought mine (with a PPF) - I just hope that decent E5 / 99 RON fuel and a decent blast every now and then helps mitigate.
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I'm not a fan of White Silver but must admit it looks great in your pictures. Congratulations :smiley:
Nice to see the Santiagos, they are a good looking wheel which I had on my last car. Pain in the backside to keep clean but well worth it.
Street lights set it off a treat 😊
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Right now it's bought, can we interest you in some modifications? :wink:
Unlikely 😊
Maybe some darker wheels?
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Congratulations... It looks great, I do like the white silver.
I thought the non PPF cars exhaust sounds a little better too?
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Right now it's bought, can we interest you in some modifications? :wink:
Unlikely 😊
Maybe some darker wheels?
If that was a paint chip on the mirror housing?... a set of black mirror caps would contrast nicely with the roof?
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Right now it's bought, can we interest you in some modifications? :wink:
Unlikely 😊
Maybe some darker wheels?
If that was a paint chip on the mirror housing?... a set of black mirror caps would contrast nicely with the roof?
That would work…
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A few days in and really loving the car.
Should I continue to update on here or start a new thread?
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Loving this car, was unsure about the colour to start with, but I absolutely love it now.
I believe it’s the same as Audi Suzuka grey.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Z5TwHXyg/6-B7-E8381-CB7-E-4330-AA7-F-E4586-AB4-CE9-E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Tp4jY70q)
(https://i.postimg.cc/gJNzwC8W/1481-B4-C4-8-F71-4-DE5-B9-BC-CCD3-AC659-A99.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/WFqLCf5W)
(https://i.postimg.cc/6p2ykpRG/1-B6-AD445-BEE2-4-B5-E-BF07-0-A55-AB0-ECDD2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/K1bGLF0Z)
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I’m another huge fan of the colour.
Looks great with the Santiagos too :cool:
I like the look of the Mustang far more though!
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Looks great Legacywr. Enjoy it. I just ticked over two years in mine and still love driving it plus it is very easy to live with. Loads of useful information on this forum.
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Looks the dogs 😄👍. Cleaned mine yesterday / took a couple of hours, but a labour of love TBH.
(https://i.postimg.cc/4x7TH3Yt/A9-E3-DE9-C-B25-D-4502-977-D-FA515189686-E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JsLF9Mc4)
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Nice :)
My son is very interested in this…
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202301203434578
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Nice :)
My son is very interested in this…
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202301203434578
Get him on the forum and we'll talk him into it :grin: bit of strong leather cleaner and a steering wheel reupholster and it'd come up like new inside, replica alloys on it though which wouldn't be my choice personally but do look well.
It's also a victim of clean car washes so would need a professional detail outside most likely for the black paint as you can see from the acid which removed the 'GTI' on the front calipers, you can get stickers to sort that out as they no longer make the cover plates.
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Nice :)
My son is very interested in this…
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202301203434578
The car has Pretoria alloys /type alloys in the pictures but the advert also mentions 19” Santiagos and 18” Parkers, you might want to clarify which wheels it comes with. Nice car, seems pricey but maybe I m out of touch with current values.
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They’re expensive, so many poverty/lease spec cars out there.
The spec is generated by Autotrader, and often wrong.
Mine was an extremely good buy at 25k from a main dealer with 2 years warranty.
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They’re expensive, so many poverty/lease spec cars out there.
The spec is generated by Autotrader, and often wrong.
Mine was an extremely good buy at 25k from a main dealer with 2 years warranty.
Yes it was, but you took some persuading though! :)
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Loving this car, was unsure about the colour to start with, but I absolutely love it now.
I believe it’s the same as Audi Suzuka grey.
It was my favourite colour for a Mk7 until the TCR came in proper grey.
Almost bought a TCR largely on that colour alone!
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Nice :)
My son is very interested in this…
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202301203434578
He pulled out of this car, only one key, replica alloys, and poor tyres at the last MOT, not what you expect at this end of the market.
He’s going to look at the Isaac blue car that’s a private sale on AT tomorrow.