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Title: Driving modes question.
Post by: symonh2000 on 29 October 2022, 15:23
I have noticed something strange with my car.

I have been running the car in individual mode with all of the settings set to sport, apart from the engine sound which was set to eco.

Today I have disconnected the soundaktor so I tried the car in the sport mode.

For some reason the car feels faster and the throttle is more responsive in sport mode, than it is in individual with everything set to sport.

Is that normal? I am happy to leave in sport mode now that the soundaktor has been disconnected. I am not  a fan of the sound.
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: mcmaddy on 29 October 2022, 15:33
It's a well known fact that disconnecting the soundaktor releases an extra 20bhp 😂
Soundaktor has absolutely no effect on the cars performance what so ever. The car usually starts in normal mode no matter what you were in before switching the car off.
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: martin998877 on 29 October 2022, 15:39
It's a well known fact that disconnecting the soundaktor releases an extra 20bhp 😂
Soundaktor has absolutely no effect on the cars performance what so ever. The car usually starts in normal mode no matter what you were in before switching the car off.

All wrong.   Mine starts in individual mode each time, not normal mode.  The question isn't whether the soudackor being disconnected makes a difference, the question is whether being in sport mode has a different effect to selecting individual settings to sport mode within the overall individual mode.
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: symonh2000 on 29 October 2022, 15:50

All wrong.   Mine starts in individual mode each time, not normal mode.  The question isn't whether the soudackor being disconnected makes a difference, the question is whether being in sport mode has a different effect to selecting individual settings to sport mode within the overall individual mode.


Exactly this.

With the soundaktor connected the car sounds faster that is for sure, but with it disconnected that effect isn't there.
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: Adam T7 on 29 October 2022, 16:11
Mine starts in whatever mode it was stopped in.
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: joe6 on 29 October 2022, 17:25
Mine starts in whatever mode it was stopped in.
Same with me. Don't know the answer to the original question though. Maybe Eco on the soundaktor in individual mode has some effect on performance but think it unlikely. If you have the boost and power dials in the infotainment screen that might help to answer the question by trying both individual and sport mode and looking at the output?
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: Yusee on 29 October 2022, 17:59
It will be an illusion. No reason why turning the sound off would affect throttle map.

You’re probably going heavier on the throttle- without realising- because it’s not making as much sound.

Btw the modes change throttle map but available power doesn’t change.

Mode doesn’t change unless you select another
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: Adam T7 on 29 October 2022, 18:21
I always find the difference between Sport and Normal quite amazing in terms of acceleration and steering feel, in a hugely positive way.
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: Yusee on 29 October 2022, 18:27
It's a well known fact that disconnecting the soundaktor releases an extra 20bhp 😂
Soundaktor has absolutely no effect on the cars performance what so ever. The car usually starts in normal mode no matter what you were in before switching the car off.

All wrong.   Mine starts in individual mode each time, not normal mode.  The question isn't whether the soudackor being disconnected makes a difference, the question is whether being in sport mode has a different effect to selecting individual settings to sport mode within the overall individual mode.

Yes, I see what you mean. I very much doubt there will be a different throttle setting for “ sport”in “individual “ .
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: Kpow99 on 29 October 2022, 20:01
When I’m sport mode and left overnight for example, the next morning it shows D but if I press mode it shows I’m in sport and D changes back to S. this is the same for all modes, eco shows E and after shutdown has passed a while it will feel like in eco but shows D! So is it still in those modes but just showing D? I do feel there is a difference though if it’s been in Sport and left and showing D to full sport.
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: symonh2000 on 29 October 2022, 20:13
It will be an illusion. No reason why turning the sound off would affect throttle map.

You’re probably going heavier on the throttle- without realising- because it’s not making as much sound.

Btw the modes change throttle map but available power doesn’t change.

Mode doesn’t change unless you select another

It seems to me as if there is a different throttle map between sport and individual, despite all of the changeable settings in individual being the same as sport the car definitely responds to the pedal more sharply.

I have tried eco and normal but the difference between all of them seems very subtle to me both in terms of throttle and steering weight.

Th car always stays on the same mode unless I change it.

My Mrs has an Alfa Giulietta, and the difference between the normal and dynamic modes on that is massive. Normal feels as if the handbrake has been left on.
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: Yusee on 29 October 2022, 20:21
When I’m sport mode and left overnight for example, the next morning it shows D but if I press mode it shows I’m in sport and D changes back to S. this is the same for all modes, eco shows E and after shutdown has passed a while it will feel like in eco but shows D! So is it still in those modes but just showing D? I do feel there is a difference though if it’s been in Sport and left and showing D to full sport.

What is D?
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: Yusee on 29 October 2022, 20:35
It will be an illusion. No reason why turning the sound off would affect throttle map.

You’re probably going heavier on the throttle- without realising- because it’s not making as much sound.

Btw the modes change throttle map but available power doesn’t change.

Mode doesn’t change unless you select another

It seems to me as if there is a different throttle map between sport and individual, despite all of the changeable settings in individual being the same as sport the car definitely responds to the pedal more sharply.

I have tried eco and normal but the difference between all of them seems very subtle to me both in terms of throttle and steering weight.

Th car always stays on the same mode unless I change it.

My Mrs has an Alfa Giulietta, and the difference between the normal and dynamic modes on that is massive. Normal feels as if the handbrake has been left on.

Interesting. There is a throttle map setting on OBD11- I can’t remember what it’s called- which I selected some while ago and which- I think- sharpens the pedal response ( more than “ sport”)
Maybe there is more than 1 “ sport “ setting
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: symonh2000 on 29 October 2022, 22:53
It will be an illusion. No reason why turning the sound off would affect throttle map.

You’re probably going heavier on the throttle- without realising- because it’s not making as much sound.

Btw the modes change throttle map but available power doesn’t change.

Mode doesn’t change unless you select another

It seems to me as if there is a different throttle map between sport and individual, despite all of the changeable settings in individual being the same as sport the car definitely responds to the pedal more sharply.

I have tried eco and normal but the difference between all of them seems very subtle to me both in terms of throttle and steering weight.

Th car always stays on the same mode unless I change it.

My Mrs has an Alfa Giulietta, and the difference between the normal and dynamic modes on that is massive. Normal feels as if the handbrake has been left on.

Interesting. There is a throttle map setting on OBD11- I can’t remember what it’s called- which I selected some while ago and which- I think- sharpens the pedal response ( more than “ sport”)
Maybe there is more than 1 “ sport “ setting

Is that the one that makes the throttle linear or time based?

When I had Carista I tried both and couldn't tell any difference.
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: Yusee on 29 October 2022, 23:15
It’s under “throttle behaviour “ with 2 options- “ normal “ and “ responsive “
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: Yusee on 30 October 2022, 00:07
Just done a quick search and found this- no idea who this guy is- he doesn’t look old enough to drive- but he also feels there is a noticeable change in response- in all modes- with the OBD app.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BUKqrVN6rPY
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: mcmaddy on 30 October 2022, 06:38
It will be an illusion. No reason why turning the sound off would affect throttle map.

You’re probably going heavier on the throttle- without realising- because it’s not making as much sound.

Btw the modes change throttle map but available power doesn’t change.

Mode doesn’t change unless you select another

It seems to me as if there is a different throttle map between sport and individual, despite all of the changeable settings in individual being the same as sport the car definitely responds to the pedal more sharply.

I have tried eco and normal but the difference between all of them seems very subtle to me both in terms of throttle and steering weight.

Th car always stays on the same mode unless I change it.

My Mrs has an Alfa Giulietta, and the difference between the normal and dynamic modes on that is massive. Normal feels as if the handbrake has been left on.
sport mode is the same in either individual or sport mode.
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: mcmaddy on 30 October 2022, 06:42
It's a well known fact that disconnecting the soundaktor releases an extra 20bhp 😂
Soundaktor has absolutely no effect on the cars performance what so ever. The car usually starts in normal mode no matter what you were in before switching the car off.

All wrong.   Mine starts in individual mode each time, not normal mode.  The question isn't whether the soudackor being disconnected makes a difference, the question is whether being in sport mode has a different effect to selecting individual settings to sport mode within the overall individual mode.
wind your neck in! The first sentence was a joke or did it go straight over your head. Early mk7s used to have an issue where no matter what mode you were in before you switched off it would always revert back to normal.
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: Kpow99 on 30 October 2022, 09:30
When I’m sport mode and left overnight for example, the next morning it shows D but if I press mode it shows I’m in sport and D changes back to S. this is the same for all modes, eco shows E and after shutdown has passed a while it will feel like in eco but shows D! So is it still in those modes but just showing D? I do feel there is a difference though if it’s been in Sport and left and showing D to full sport.

What is D?

If you don’t have a DSG you won’t know.  D is for Drive, R reverse etc 😉


(https://i.postimg.cc/YqggppMg/E0-CA7-C41-8-AF3-4359-BA1-F-F94-C622-BD80-A.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: Yusee on 30 October 2022, 10:20
When I’m sport mode and left overnight for example, the next morning it shows D but if I press mode it shows I’m in sport and D changes back to S. this is the same for all modes, eco shows E and after shutdown has passed a while it will feel like in eco but shows D! So is it still in those modes but just showing D? I do feel there is a difference though if it’s been in Sport and left and showing D to full sport.

What is D?

If you don’t have a DSG you won’t know.  D is for Drive, R reverse etc 😉


(https://i.postimg.cc/YqggppMg/E0-CA7-C41-8-AF3-4359-BA1-F-F94-C622-BD80-A.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

I think you are confusing driving modes- which allow you to alter throttle response, steering response, sound and various other things- with the gearbox drive/sport modes. That is controlled from the gear lever and just alters the point at which the box shifts- sport just holds a gear for longer.

I have DSG on our seat alhambra- but rarely use “ sport “  because it’s a bus😂
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: symonh2000 on 30 October 2022, 10:36
Mines a manual, so the DSG settings don't apply.
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: Kpow99 on 30 October 2022, 10:55
When I’m sport mode and left overnight for example, the next morning it shows D but if I press mode it shows I’m in sport and D changes back to S. this is the same for all modes, eco shows E and after shutdown has passed a while it will feel like in eco but shows D! So is it still in those modes but just showing D? I do feel there is a difference though if it’s been in Sport and left and showing D to full sport.

What is D?

If you don’t have a DSG you won’t know.  D is for Drive, R reverse etc 😉


(https://i.postimg.cc/YqggppMg/E0-CA7-C41-8-AF3-4359-BA1-F-F94-C622-BD80-A.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

I think you are confusing driving modes- which allow you to alter throttle response, steering response, sound and various other things- with the gearbox drive/sport modes. That is controlled from the gear lever and just alters the point at which the box shifts- sport just holds a gear for longer.

I have DSG on our seat alhambra- but rarely use “ sport “  because it’s a bus😂

I’m not but thanks anyway, maybe I didn’t explain properly.

Driving in Eco get an E on display and it coasts etc. leave car for period of time and get back in and put shifter in Drive and it obviously comes on D on display. Start driving and feels like I’m Eco mode by throttle response etc but still says D and I don’t get coasting when lifting. If I press mode it shows still on Eco on screen but still in D unless I re select Eco and then it goes back to Eco on screen. So I’d doesn’t stay in that mode and seems to default to something else unless another mode is selected. Is this normal or should it be starting in Eco or other modes selected after a shutdown.  Is that a bit better?
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: Yusee on 30 October 2022, 11:26
When I’m sport mode and left overnight for example, the next morning it shows D but if I press mode it shows I’m in sport and D changes back to S. this is the same for all modes, eco shows E and after shutdown has passed a while it will feel like in eco but shows D! So is it still in those modes but just showing D? I do feel there is a difference though if it’s been in Sport and left and showing D to full sport.

What is D?

If you don’t have a DSG you won’t know.  D is for Drive, R reverse etc 😉


(https://i.postimg.cc/YqggppMg/E0-CA7-C41-8-AF3-4359-BA1-F-F94-C622-BD80-A.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

I think you are confusing driving modes- which allow you to alter throttle response, steering response, sound and various other things- with the gearbox drive/sport modes. That is controlled from the gear lever and just alters the point at which the box shifts- sport just holds a gear for longer.

I have DSG on our seat alhambra- but rarely use “ sport “  because it’s a bus😂

I’m not but thanks anyway, maybe I didn’t explain properly.

Driving in Eco get an E on display and it coasts etc. leave car for period of time and get back in and put shifter in Drive and it obviously comes on D on display. Start driving and feels like I’m Eco mode by throttle response etc but still says D and I don’t get coasting when lifting. If I press mode it shows still on Eco on screen but still in D unless I re select Eco and then it goes back to Eco on screen. So I’d doesn’t stay in that mode and seems to default to something else unless another mode is selected. Is this normal or should it be starting in Eco or other modes selected after a shutdown.  Is that a bit better?

Sorry, I don’t understand. Maybe too early on Sunday for my brain to follow!
If you select “ eco” it should stay in “ eco” until you change to another driving mode.
Not sure how that would effect your dsg box selection.
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: LSBristol on 30 October 2022, 14:47
The "sport" drive mode (I.e. Throttle mapping - ignore dsg for now) only takes effect if you switch to sport or individual during that drive. Once you switch off and switch on again the throttle mapping reverts to normal even if you are in sport or individual still.

I have individual set to sport drive and eco soundaktor, but if I want a sporty drive then I have to switch to another mode and then back to individual for the sport throttle mapping to actually kick in.

I believe it's done this way to discourage aggressive driving from a cold start?

All of this is anecdotal from my own experience, but there is 100% a big difference in drive when comparing being in individual from start to being in individual after swapping to another mode and back again.
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: Yusee on 30 October 2022, 14:58
Good grief, this is one confused thread.

My advice to anyone reading it is to go buy a car with a cable throttle.

These driving modes just mess with your brain 😂
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: symonh2000 on 30 October 2022, 15:45
The "sport" drive mode (I.e. Throttle mapping - ignore dsg for now) only takes effect if you switch to sport or individual during that drive. Once you switch off and switch on again the throttle mapping reverts to normal even if you are in sport or individual still.

I have individual set to sport drive and eco soundaktor, but if I want a sporty drive then I have to switch to another mode and then back to individual for the sport throttle mapping to actually kick in.

I believe it's done this way to discourage aggressive driving from a cold start?

All of this is anecdotal from my own experience, but there is 100% a big difference in drive when comparing being in individual from start to being in individual after swapping to another mode and back again.

Swapping from Sport back to individual (with sport settings) and then back to sport without turning the engine off makes a noticeable difference to the throttle response on my car. It is as if the sport setting has a throttle map which cannot be accessed unless the car is in sport.
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: Yusee on 30 October 2022, 16:28
Must be a software problem if you’re both sure that’s happening.
I’d speak to VW because that shouldn’t happen.
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: symonh2000 on 30 October 2022, 16:34
It isn't a big deal as now that I don't have the soundaktor making an awful racket I will just leave it in sport.
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: mcmaddy on 30 October 2022, 18:43
Must be a software problem if you’re both sure that’s happening.
I’d speak to VW because that shouldn’t happen.
it's not a software problem is meant to do it as has been previously mentioned by LSBristol.
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: mcmaddy on 30 October 2022, 18:45
The "sport" drive mode (I.e. Throttle mapping - ignore dsg for now) only takes effect if you switch to sport or individual during that drive. Once you switch off and switch on again the throttle mapping reverts to normal even if you are in sport or individual still.

I have individual set to sport drive and eco soundaktor, but if I want a sporty drive then I have to switch to another mode and then back to individual for the sport throttle mapping to actually kick in.

I believe it's done this way to discourage aggressive driving from a cold start?

All of this is anecdotal from my own experience, but there is 100% a big difference in drive when comparing being in individual from start to being in individual after swapping to another mode and back again.

Swapping from Sport back to individual (with sport settings) and then back to sport without turning the engine off makes a noticeable difference to the throttle response on my car. It is as if the sport setting has a throttle map which cannot be accessed unless the car is in sport.
placebo, absolutely no difference between sport and sport in individual.
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: Yusee on 30 October 2022, 19:25
Must be a software problem if you’re both sure that’s happening.
I’d speak to VW because that shouldn’t happen.
it's not a software problem is meant to do it as has been previously mentioned by LSBristol.

Doesn’t happen in mine. Maybe there’s a problem with mine!
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: Yusee on 30 October 2022, 22:06
Anyone still following this one?😂

I was curious at what people were saying here, so had a look in the manual-

“ when the ignition is switched off, the set driving profile and the individual settings will remain selected “

That’s fair enough, I think we all agree on that.

The next bit I think explains what @kpow99 has noticed-

“ if the last selected profile was sport or eco, the settings for the engine or the DSG dual clutch gearbox will be reset to normal as soon as the ignition is switched off. The settings of the previously selected driving profile can be activated again as follows:
- select sport or eco driving profile again
OR move the selector lever of the DSG dual clutch gearbox backwards to the gear position S”

LSBristol has noticed that he has to re-select “ sport “ while driving to get the throttle response back to “ sport” after he has turned the ignition off. I can’t explain this, there’s nothing in the manual to say this should be required, and it definitely doesn’t happen in my car. I wonder if it is a peculiarity of the DSG box?
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: sjw on 31 October 2022, 10:07
This is the case in mine, and I am sure I've read on other forums etc that it is expected behaviour.

Ignoring individual mode for now, let's say you're driving in normal, then you change to sport. The steering gets heavier, the suspension firms up (if you have DCC), and the amount of time gears are held changes, which is indicated by the S on the dash cluster (S1, S2, S3 etc) rather than a D (D1, D2, D3...)

Now, turn the car off and on again, and the car, according to the mode select screen (and the indicator as to what mode you're in that's in the top left of the central screen) will still say sport. The suspension will still be firm, and the steering will still be heavy, BUT the "engine" has reverted to normal again, ie. you get D1, D2, D3 on the dash cluster. Opening the mode select screen and tapping "Sport" again (even if it's already highlighted) reverts the shifts to sport mode, but that aspect definitely starts up in normal, regardless of what mode you were in when turning the car off.

I hope that has cleared things up?
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: Yusee on 31 October 2022, 10:22
@sjw, yes what you have noticed is what should happen with the DSG box- according to the manual.

What shouldn’t happen- imho- is a change to throttle map setting when you turn the ignition off. It should remain as you left it.
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: LSBristol on 31 October 2022, 11:33
It definitely reverts to normal throttle mapping in mine.

I've seen other people have the same experience on other forums, but every single thread seems to have people getting immediately confused by DSG settings as well.

Maybe I should just get a pedal box  :grin: :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: Watts on 31 October 2022, 14:06
Maybe I should just get a pedal box  :grin: :grin: :grin:

Yes. :whistle:
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: Kpow99 on 31 October 2022, 15:43
Anyone still following this one?😂

I was curious at what people were saying here, so had a look in the manual-

“ when the ignition is switched off, the set driving profile and the individual settings will remain selected “

That’s fair enough, I think we all agree on that.

The next bit I think explains what @kpow99 has noticed-

“ if the last selected profile was sport or eco, the settings for the engine or the DSG dual clutch gearbox will be reset to normal as soon as the ignition is switched off. The settings of the previously selected driving profile can be activated again as follows:
- select sport or eco driving profile again
OR move the selector lever of the DSG dual clutch gearbox backwards to the gear position S”

LSBristol has noticed that he has to re-select “ sport “ while driving to get the throttle response back to “ sport” after he has turned the ignition off. I can’t explain this, there’s nothing in the manual to say this should be required, and it definitely doesn’t happen in my car. I wonder if it is a peculiarity of the DSG box?

Ah yes that’s it, going back to Normal mode! Thanks for finding that. Never use normal, either comfort, sport or Eco, never saw the point in a normal setting. You either want it sport, economical or comfortable, normal didn’t seem to fit with me.
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: fredgroves on 01 November 2022, 10:14
On a manual box if you turn it off in sport mode (or individual if you have throttle set to sport in your profile) next time it will start with the throttle in "normal". The profile doesn't change, you get all of the other things (sport steering, DCC etc) but not the throttle map. To "fix it" you need to change mode.

If you have a DSG it will do the same but also the box will be back in D mode - its just that with DSG you can visibly see it!

Its been guessed that its to do with either emissions testing regs or that from cold its not good to rev the hell out of it.

That's how it works - its been like that for all of my Golfs...
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: Yusee on 01 November 2022, 15:31
On a manual box if you turn it off in sport mode (or individual if you have throttle set to sport in your profile) next time it will start with the throttle in "normal". The profile doesn't change, you get all of the other things (sport steering, DCC etc) but not the throttle map. To "fix it" you need to change mode.

If you have a DSG it will do the same but also the box will be back in D mode - its just that with DSG you can visibly see it!

Its been guessed that its to do with either emissions testing regs or that from cold its not good to rev the hell out of it.

That's how it works - its been like that for all of my Golfs...

Interesting. You’re now the 3rd or 4th person saying this.

If that is happening-

1. It’s poor design- in that the user ought to be made aware that a change to throttle behaviour is occurring, and there’s no warning.
2. I wasn’t aware that it was, so I’d question the value of these driving modes ( I do anyway actually, but that’s a whole new argument!)

As it happens, i am absolutely sure this isn’t happening in mine.
I’m not an insensitive driver and have checked over the last few days-there is a distinct difference in throttle response between the various modes.
“ normal “ is noticeably less responsive than “ sport “ and mine remains in “sport “ every time I start up ( or actually “ sport “ throttle in individual). Definitely.

Now whether that’s because I set my throttle response to “ responsive “ on OBD11, or whether because of a change VW made at some point, I don’t know. But I’m definitely not needing to reselect my settings to get the throttle setting I want
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: sjw on 01 November 2022, 15:39
What difference does "sport throttle" make in a manual car?
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: Yusee on 01 November 2022, 15:48
Exactly the same as in a DSG car. Makes the pedal more responsive
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: madstaff on 01 November 2022, 16:34
So are we saying my manual CS with DCC when in individual mode with throttle set to sport it still defaults the throttle to normal after cycling the ignition??

I can't believe that's what happens?? I'm sure throttle always says "sport" in settings and has done ever since I set individual mode up.
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: sjw on 01 November 2022, 16:57
So are we saying my manual CS with DCC when in individual mode with throttle set to sport it still defaults the throttle to normal after cycling the ignition??

I can't believe that's what happens?? I'm sure throttle always says "sport" in settings and has done ever since I set individual mode up.

No, we're not saying the settings in the Individual mode are changed. We are saying that despite what they say they're set to, they might not actually be _applied_ unless you switch to and from the mode.

I'd need to check the settings in my DSG car, but the setting I'm talking about in particular is "engine", which affects the shift points. This is obviously not relevant in a manual car.
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: madstaff on 01 November 2022, 17:04
We are saying that despite what they say they're set to, they might not actually be _applied_ unless you switch to and from the mode.


Thats what i thought. Will have to try when i next go out.
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: Yusee on 01 November 2022, 17:12

I'd need to check the settings in my DSG car, but the setting I'm talking about in particular is "engine", which affects the shift points. This is obviously not relevant in a manual car.

I think this is a DSG thing. The owners handbook- which I quoted above- refers to change in settings of “ engine or DSG box” to “normal” when ignition switched off. No mention of “ throttle “.
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: sjw on 01 November 2022, 17:21

I'd need to check the settings in my DSG car, but the setting I'm talking about in particular is "engine", which affects the shift points. This is obviously not relevant in a manual car.

I think this is a DSG thing. The owners handbook- which I quoted above- refers to change in settings of “ engine or DSG box” to “normal” when ignition switched off. No mention of “ throttle “.

I think the issue is the loose use of the word "throttle" - I know I'm guilty of it. I'd wager that everyone using the word "throttle" in the scope of this "issue" actually means the shift change points.
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: LSBristol on 01 November 2022, 20:19
I'm not referring to DSG. When I say throttle I mean the responsiveness of the pedal. In a manual car. It reverts to be less responsive after cycling the ignition, despite staying in sport (or individual). It then becomes more responsive if you change to a different mode and back again.

I'm going to stop replying to this now, I can't even remember what this thread was about  :grin:
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: Yusee on 01 November 2022, 22:18
It’s been a great thread, stimulating thought and discussion.

Quite a few of us have pushed the “ mode” button for the first time in years!

And it has helped answer the question “ driving modes- what are they good for?” Absolutely nothing!
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: symonh2000 on 02 November 2022, 07:18
I'm not referring to DSG. When I say throttle I mean the responsiveness of the pedal. In a manual car. It reverts to be less responsive after cycling the ignition, despite staying in sport (or individual). It then becomes more responsive if you change to a different mode and back again.

I'm going to stop replying to this now, I can't even remember what this thread was about  :grin:

I tried changing modes this morning, mid drive on the way to work.

Car started in sport, switched to normal then back to sport.

I don't agree that the throttle mapping goes back to normal after the engine has been turned off. Switching from sport to normal made a difference in the the throttle felt slightly duller, and switching back to sport made the car the same as previously.

It is a manual by the way.
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: Yusee on 07 November 2022, 20:21
I considered keeping my head down on this, because I risk sounding like a total ar5e, but I feel I ought to set the record straight-

Having pushed the “ mode” button more times in a week than I have in 4 years, I do now agree with @LSBristol that the “drive “ ( throttle map) starts in normal until another mode re- selected.

I had set it up soon after buying the car then forgotten about it.

Have to say, I don’t find “ normal” drive bad, particularly for urban driving.

Apologies if I misled anyone.

Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: LSBristol on 07 November 2022, 21:13
I considered keeping my head down on this, because I risk sounding like a total ar5e, but I feel I ought to set the record straight-

Having pushed the “ mode” button more times in a week than I have in 4 years, I do now agree with @LSBristol that the “drive “ ( throttle map) starts in normal until another mode re- selected.

I had set it up soon after buying the car then forgotten about it.

Have to say, I don’t find “ normal” drive bad, particularly for urban driving.

Apologies if I misled anyone.

Glad it's not me going mad!  :grin:

Now we can all go back to not pressing the "mode" button and get on with our lives.
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: Yusee on 07 November 2022, 21:17
Haha, yeah exactly.
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: sjw on 08 November 2022, 12:10
Lately I've been using individual mode almost exclusively. Most stuff set up in comfort, apart from the engine (and maybe steering) in sport. Nice balance for sporty street driving
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: jonesltd on 08 November 2022, 12:15
Do the modes all use different amounts of fuel because I live in Eco on the dash but the radio has Race on it?
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: sjw on 08 November 2022, 12:36
Do the modes all use different amounts of fuel because I live in Eco on the dash but the radio has Race on it?

The car will use as much fuel as your right foot allows :) It's easier to use fuel in Sport/Race due to the gears being held longer, but in reality that can be all but negated with careful throttle control.

On a related note, in case anyone was still under the impression that the Think Blue trainer was anything other than nonsense, for DSG users, drive at 70mph, on ACC, with the engine in Normal (D on the gauges) and look at your think blue score. Then change to Sport by pulling back on the gear lever, switch up if necessary to top gear again, and watch the scores drop right down despite using no more fuel  :laugh:
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: jonesltd on 09 November 2022, 09:31
oh wicked so i'll happily come out of Eco mode and leave it in Drive on stereo and dash if it doesn't use much more fuel?...I travel to and from work mainly motorway and then getting into city which is about 7 min drive off motorway
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: sjw on 09 November 2022, 10:31
oh wicked so i'll happily come out of Eco mode and leave it in Drive on stereo and dash if it doesn't use much more fuel?...I travel to and from work mainly motorway and then getting into city which is about 7 min drive off motorway

I don't think you'll notice any difference to be quite honest. I'm not sure how anyone drives in Eco mode, the throttle is so, so sluggish. I will admit to putting it into Eco if I really am low on fuel, but otherwise I can't stand it.
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: ProtoCulture on 09 November 2022, 19:08
So if I've made the throttle adjustment via OBD from time based to linear does it still reset unless I change modes? It doesn't feel like it but that could be placebo.
Title: Re: Driving modes question.
Post by: Yusee on 09 November 2022, 21:46
So if I've made the throttle adjustment via OBD from time based to linear does it still reset unless I change modes? It doesn't feel like it but that could be placebo.

The OBD app I have seen is for “ throttle pedal response “. It has 2 options- “ standard “ and “ responsive “ and should remain selected ( in all modes) unless you change it.

But don’t take my word for it. I’m like indecisive Dave from the fast show 😂.

I don’t know anything about the time based/ linear settings- I haven’t seen that