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Model specific boards => Golf mk8 => Topic started by: david25 on 04 June 2022, 12:11
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The anniversary edition sets new power records with its performance values: 245 kW (333 PS).
The power of the new Golf R “20 Years” is already effectively placed centre stage when the vehicle is started. For even more R-feeling, the driver can select an engine start with higher engine speeds of up to 2,500 rpm. This is accompanied by an especially distinctive drive sound. When driving in manual mode, the DSG provides noticeable feedback from the gearbox when shifting up.
The engine responsiveness has been improved by turbocharger preloading and an open throttle valve in overrun phases. This permits faster power development when accelerating, and the Golf R “20 Years” can be driven even more dynamically as a result.
https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/en/new/golf-r-20.html
https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-germancars/volkswagen-golf-r-20-years-edition-launched/45728
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Is "20 years" how long you'll be waiting for them to make it after you order?
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I’m going to say it. It looks rubbish. Sorry.
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I own a Golf R Mk8 with performance pack and have to say the 20 Year Limited Edition Golf R does not float my boat at all. The standard Golf R is plenty fast at present, there is not a lot of difference to make it worth a look, and personally i think the blue estoril wheels look :sick:
I also bet it costs close to £50k before options.
On a different note, i had a fairly gutless, manual, VW Polo courtesy car the other day and have to say driving it short term put a smile on my face almost as much as driving a performance golf. Could not live with using the polo but it was fun
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The white R with the Blue Estorils is unbelievably tacky for a new car at that money. What were they thinking.
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The white R with the Blue Estorils is unbelievably tacky for a new car at that money. What were they thinking.
The thinking behind the blue alloys (and door mirror caps) was probably that blue has traditionally been the colour associated with VW’s R branding (e.g. brake calipers, instrumentation, grille strip - there are probably other blue elements too), in the same way that red is the colour associated with the GTI. Thankfully, the GTI ED45 didn’t get red alloys - just a red pinstripe around the rim of the wheels.
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Maybe the blue wheels look better in the flesh? I’ve seen a few different styles of German alloys that have coloured anodised sections in recent years.
I’m going out on a limb here and saying I’d actually spec the blue wheels. Why? Because they’re the only thing hinting at it being a special edition car. Yes it has little plaques for the enthusiasts but not much else.
For those speccing up a Golf R they may as well go for the Anni model but it’s definitely one for those with very deep pockets. And that’s not a bad thing for a range topping model.
Vaguely similar to Brenbo’s experience with the Polo, I had an errand to run (ok I was bored) at work so jumped in a hired manual Diesel van to zip a few miles up the road and back. Damn it was fun! I’ve grown extremely lazy with DSG and can’t wait for a decent EV that actually fits my fussy criteria because I just can’t be bothered with cog boxes at all anymore, but I did really enjoy buzzing around in the van with its zippy free revving engine and decent throttle response.
And yes, I did manage to stall it once because I forgot to change gear. :rolleyes:
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I’ll gladly stick with my edition 45 in moonstone grey, still looks a stunning car and draws heads above and beyond the R versions. The latest edition R I’m afraid won’t alter anything, just an even more expensive long waited for item. Might be a bit quicker than the 45 but I’m afraid that’s about as good as it gets.
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Maybe the blue wheels look better in the flesh? I’ve seen a few different styles of German alloys that have coloured anodised sections in recent years.
I’m going out on a limb here and saying I’d actually spec the blue wheels. Why? Because they’re the only thing hinting at it being a special edition car. Yes it has little plaques for the enthusiasts but not much else.
I’m with you @Exonian - I’d go for the blue alloys too. They are a ‘Marmite’ wheel that will divide opinion - probably much more so than the optional dark grey Seville alloys (with red pinstripe) did that were available on the mk7.5 GTI. Those alloys were heavily criticised by some forum members on the mk7 / mk7.5 forum board at the time, but I liked them………..but then I also really like Marmite :grin:.
Adding the blue alloys makes the Anni model more distinctive - and ‘distinctive’ isn’t a word I’d use to describe a non-Anni R. IMHO unless it’s viewed from the rear, the standard R doesn’t look that different to a ‘normal’ Golf, but then VW are masters at subtlety, and that’s probably what R owners like and want, rather than Honda Civic Type R styling. That’s just my opinion though, and no offence intended to Golf R owners.
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I also bet it costs close to £50k before options.
Well if you take a Mk8 R, add PP and leather... its just under 48k.... I'd imagine the extra 13bhp and some stickers will take it to 50 easily.
I'm going to guess its £51,197 before options.
I'd go with the RS3 for that kinda money and I would normally say I'm firmly VW not Audi...
This is absolutely about the "selling premium" thing the German OEM's are doing now...
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A bit longer look at it here without an annoying commentary, just birdies singing in the trees
https://youtu.be/PN9sr8GAekI
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I have read the 20 Year Anniversary Golf R has extras like real carbon fibre dash inserts as well so its easily gonna be around £50K +
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I must admit I did roll my eyes when I read about the real carbon fibre dash trims in the press release.
Just think of the weight saving having both that and the titanium exhaust - got to be worth at least 0.0001 second around the green hell for the mere cost of a few months wages between them…
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Think an 18 year old must of designed that R :evil:
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Think an 18 year old must of designed that R :evil:
Externally, apart from the blue alloys and door mirror caps option and a few ‘20’ badges IMHO it doesn’t really look any different to a standard R - maybe the standard R was also designed by an 18 year old then :whistle:.
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Not worth the extra money! I think I am getting old (certainly well past 18 :smiley:) but just an R with extra blue bits and a fa**box. :laugh:
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Interesting video, narrated in German but does have subtitles,
https://youtu.be/hWrgcLvBj3M
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From the video looks like jaceyboy was right. 18 year olds involved. :smiley:
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Taking aside the blue wheel highlights and blue mirror caps on the white car which are both a bit marmite there is no difference externally to a standard R apart from a few badges
Internally apart from the carbon again they remain the same as a standard R
The other standard specification items on the R20 apart from the performance upgrade are all available as options on a standard R
Don’t see how then the opinion of it being designed by an 18 year old applies unless you think that of a standard R also
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Taking aside the blue wheel highlights and blue mirror caps on the white car which are both a bit marmite there is no difference externally to a standard R apart from a few badges
Internally apart from the carbon again they remain the same as a standard R
The other standard specification items on the R20 apart from the performance upgrade are all available as options on a standard R
Don’t see how then the opinion of it being designed by an 18 year old applys unless you think that of a standard R also
Exactly this. Great minds think alike :smiley:.
Think an 18 year old must of designed that R :evil:
Externally, apart from the blue alloys and door mirror caps option and a few ‘20’ badges IMHO it doesn’t really look any different to a standard R - maybe the standard R was also designed by an 18 year old then :whistle:.
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What are they smoking over there at VW :grin:
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Taking aside the blue wheel highlights and blue mirror caps on the white car which are both a bit marmite there is no difference externally to a standard R apart from a few badges
Internally apart from the carbon again they remain the same as a standard R
The other standard specification items on the R20 apart from the performance upgrade are all available as options on a standard R
Don’t see how then the opinion of it being designed by an 18 year old applies unless you think that of a standard R also
The point I was trying to put forward is - the extra bits are 18 year old 'design type stuff'. :smiley:
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Are these “beautiful design classics” actually going to be released in the UK?
I’d kind of forgotten all about this unmissable anniversary model until earlier when a colleague of mine who I only see about twice a year came strutting up to me. Ordinarily I try and hide under my desk if I see him coming as he’s both annoyingly cheerful and boring, but this time he had me cornered.
He’s been threatening to buy a Golf R since I can remember and would often mention it when I had mine seven years ago or so. It’s not like he can’t afford one, he gets a new T6 every year or two.
Predictably the first words to come out of his mouth were Golf R related and had I heard about the 20th Anni.
I replied that I’d not heard them mentioned for a month or so and so we had a quick look on VW UK where there was no mention of it as available to order, then quickly over to VW.de and it seems like they’ve been open to ordering for a while in Germany.
Maybe by the next time I see him I’ll a) be quicker to get under my desk and b ) will know they’re open to order. But he still won’t order one, he’ll get another T6…
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Was in with my dealer last week and the email he had from VW was that’s they can order the demo cars in September and then October they are on general release
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Thanks Sean. :afro:
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I feel like the MK8 should be a 400BHP car standard or have the RS3 5 pot engine :laugh: :evil:... Especially, for the price! Just my opinion... or have an RS model with a 5 pot... best sounding engine on Earth! A few people have put a 5 pot in a MK7.5 and it just seems right.
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What are they smoking over there at VW :grin:
:grin: I've thought this for a while now.
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I feel like the MK8 should be a 400BHP car standard or have the RS3 5 pot engine :laugh: :evil:... Especially, for the price! Just my opinion... or have an RS model with a 5 pot... best sounding engine on Earth! A few people have put a 5 pot in a MK7.5 and it just seems right.
Yeah I agree, I’ve been watching Innovative Motorsports videos for a while now, I’d happily own an RS3 swapped 7.5R (RSR), https://youtu.be/ytynWdtNqj0
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Time to empty your piggy banks
(https://i.postimg.cc/j2D16539/4-D3-EFCC7-330-D-4-B71-A231-66-B97-EB484-A7.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/q6dQ4kTX)
Akrapovic £3.5k extra according to coast2coast, no standard DCC either.
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Crazy money, especially considering the Aka and DCC are not included. Are the order books now open for the 20 years? Can’t seem to find it on VW UK configurator?
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The brokers tend to get a heads up a short while before dealer order books officially open.
VW online price lists follow soon after and then the configurator around the same time. Three months later the configurator gains some accuracy.
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The brokers tend to get a heads up a short while before dealer order books officially open.
VW online price lists follow soon after and then the configurator around the same time. Three months later the configurator gains some accuracy.
And then if you’re lucky, two years after ordering, your car might be built and delivered :whistle:.
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The brokers tend to get a heads up a short while before dealer order books officially open.
VW online price lists follow soon after and then the configurator around the same time. Three months later the configurator gains some accuracy.
And then if you’re lucky, two years after ordering, your car might be built and delivered :whistle:.
Suspect these will jump the performance Golf Queue won't be much of special edition if its two years late!!! :laugh:
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The brokers tend to get a heads up a short while before dealer order books officially open.
VW online price lists follow soon after and then the configurator around the same time. Three months later the configurator gains some accuracy.
Thank you for confirming, that explains why I couldn’t find it on the UK configurator.👍🏻
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The brokers tend to get a heads up a short while before dealer order books officially open.
VW online price lists follow soon after and then the configurator around the same time. Three months later the configurator gains some accuracy.
And then if you’re lucky, two years after ordering, your car might be built and delivered :whistle:.
Suspect these will jump the performance Golf Queue won't be much of special edition if its two years late!!! :laugh:
How many ED45's still aren't delivered....
These will go exactly the same, VW can't seem to organise a pee up in a brewery...
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Commemorating 20 years since the original Golf R32, the “20 Years” edition comes with more power, greater dynamic ability and more emotion, and is set to be a popular choice for Golf R fans.
Dates for your diary
Thursday 6 October 2022
Open for customer ordering
The car configurator and finance calculator will be live on volkswagen.co.uk
Quotable in Connect OnLine
Friday 7 October 2022
Personalised digital brochures will be live
Note that orders for the Golf R “20 Years” will not jump the queue for customers with existing Golf R orders.
Product highlights
‘R’ logo in blue, on the radiator grille and tailgate
’20 R’ logo projection from the door mirrors
’20’ badge on the B-pillar
Genuine carbon fibre interior trim
Door mirror caps in Lapiz blue or black (body colour dependant)
19-inch Estoril wheels in blue or black (body colour dependant)
Performance pack, which includes a top speed increase to 270 km/h (168 mph), performance rear spoiler, drift and other special driver modes
Top sports seats with integrated headrest in Nappa leather with ‘R’ logo, heated and active climate front seats with electric memory adjustment on the driver’s side
Download the product information PDF below this article for more information about the new model
Pricing
The Golf R “20 Years” has a £5,400 on-the-road (OTR) price premium over the standard Golf R. With the extra 13 PS of power, equipment and unique “20 Years” styling, it represents great customer value.
What is Golf R “20 Years”?
Volkswagen is celebrating 20 years of one of its most-loved models in the range with the special edition Golf R “20 Years”.
With 333 PS of power, the “20 Years” edition is the most powerful Golf R variant ever released, representing a 13 PS increase over the current regular model.
Additionally, the exclusive model features a range of new technical features designed to enhance the emotional experience the R brand famously delivers. A new ‘Emotional Start’ function briefly increases engine revs to 2,500rpm on start-up to bring the 2.0 TSI engine’s sound to the forefront.
Special and Drift driving profiles for improved cornering capabilities are included as standard, and the DSG gearbox has been tuned to provide ‘noticeable feedback’ when the driver shifts up manually in S or S+ gear selector positions.
The Golf R “20 Years” also becomes the first Volkswagen to include genuine carbon fibre in the interior – finished on the dash panel and door trims. Blue accents complete the look inside, with R logos appointed on the sporty steering wheel and the vehicle key cap.
The new special edition model represents a leap in performance and capabilities over the original model which kick-started the famous branding in 2002. The original Golf R32 featured a 3.2-litre six-cylinder engine that took the world by storm at the time with 241 PS of power, and was also the first Golf to feature the now-famous DSG system that to this day proves more popular than ever.
Over the years, the Golf R evolved through different drivetrains, each time gaining more power, with the “20 Years” edition representing two decades of refinement and expertise in remarkable performance vehicles.
The Golf R “20 Years” will be built as a limited-edition model until the middle of 2023. Look out on Hub for updates on UK launch dates.
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Usual level of nonsense and inaccuracies :laugh:
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£57,395 for a fully specced golf :laugh:
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£57,395 for a fully specced golf :laugh:
Thatcher's Britain! :wink:
If someone told me that 5 years ago I'd have thought they were crazy. Now it doesn't even raise an eyebrow.
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https://youtu.be/E4mNEPw4QHw
https://youtu.be/me4Mzri9vjY
Anybody tempted yet? :grin:
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Nah :grin:
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Have a white one ordered.
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Have a white one ordered.
There is always one :shocked: :rolleyes: :grin:
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Currently own a MK8 Golf R Performance, and to be honest my personal opinion is I feel Golf R 20 Year, looks a bit halfords. Personally after driving a auto Golf R MK8 for a while, although its a great car to drive I am actually tempted to get a manual Golf GTI MK8 next time, as it has a lot going for it i.e. manual gears, sweet spot for performance/cost of living expense, etc,.
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Have a white one ordered.
Good going Sean!
What spec have you opted for, and dare I ask why the R20Y over an RS3 for example?
Currently own a MK8 Golf R Performance, and to be honest my personal opinion is I feel Golf R 20 Year, looks a bit halfords. Personally after driving a auto Golf R MK8 for a while, although its a great car to drive I am actually tempted to get a manual Golf GTI MK8 next time, as it has a lot going for it i.e. manual gears, sweet spot for performance/cost of living expense, etc,.
Great to see you’re still a manual GTI man at heart Brendan :smiley:
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Good going Sean!
What spec have you opted for, and dare I ask why the R20Y over an RS3 for example?
Just a preference for the Golf and to spec an RS3 as I’d want it is a fair bit more money
A45S was another option but again a lot more money
And I wanted a new car not used
At that price point I could have had various used cars to choose from but just preferred to buy new
Plus I got a bit discount on the R20 as I’ve bought a few cars from them
And being limited in number I think it may hold its value better than others
My CSS has spoiled me in that department though
Went for white but I’ll be changing the wheels and blue mirror caps
Pan roof
DCC
Head up display
Rear camera
Voice control
Pro active assist and front and rear airbags
Have also told them if HK becomes available I want that added
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Quite a thorough spec, a car like this probably needs quite a bit added for future resale (although personally I’d bare bones spec it), you weren’t tempted to add the Akrapovic then?
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The Akra would have been a great addition but personally i think they are too much money - if money wasn’t an option then yes I’d have ordered one but I had a set price point for the car and didn’t want to go over that
The other options I choose were more important for me than the exhaust
Plenty of other options for an exhaust for less money should I decide on one later
Plus when you then would sell the car you can put the standard exhaust back on and sell the after market one
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Yes, you do have to draw the line somewhere and the Akrapovic is a hell of a lot of money.
In my eyes I’d rather they skipped the leather and maybe replaced that with an all alcantara seat cloth then fitted the Akra as standard.
There’s obviously a reason they didn’t do that, maybe the leather tombstones are the nearest resemblance to the mk4 R32 Koenig seats visually so they went for a heritage nod there(?) but I’d have countered with the aural experience of the Akra being a nod to the VR6 soundtrack along with the tailpipes on either side which was another mk4 R32 first that flowed down the generations.
Looking forward to hearing about yours when it arrives Sean, it has a lot to live up to after your CSS.
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Nice one Sean G, looks really good in white.
I've ordered a blue one with akra, pano, dcc and reversing cam. Akra is a ridiculous price, but I reckon it will be the sought after extra when re-selling, a bit like the buckets in the Ed40 Clubsport.
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Nice one Sean G, looks really good in white.
I've ordered a blue one with akra, pano, dcc and reversing cam. Akra is a ridiculous price, but I reckon it will be the sought after extra when re-selling, a bit like the buckets in the Ed40 Clubsport.
Had the Akra on my TCR last 3 years and they really look the part, set the back off completely, and super minimal to clean! unlike the hours keeping the R tips respectable, and they obviously sound great also (more so after a few 1000 miles), but they were standard on the TCR and cannot say would have paid for them on a stretch and considering many of us do stretch on options, its one for me that would keep the ££ in the bank on for what give vs cost
However, if there is no real eye on money and want the complete car, then they 100% complete the car.
The TCR out there for sale without the performance pack (DCC and 19") and Akra, are not any different in price over the standard 18" and standard exhaust options, so you not see the money back, but obviously for anyone who knows the car, the only one would want is the performance pack and Akra optioned model, so you will always sale a well specced car before a lesser so one, but you not necessarily get your full money back on those options.
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@Hertsman - yes, with the TCR, the performance pack would be the option I would look for, but it would also have to be a later one with the akra. The difference with the R20 is that the akra is an option, like the Ed40 buckets, so will be the sort after extra on used examples, thereby attracting a premium imho, although probably not as much as £3.5k.
Buckets, a £1,350 option in the Ed40 make the car around £5k more expensive than a standard seat example, so we'll see. At the end of the day I spec my cars for my enjoyment and not for the resale value, so what will be, will be!!
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Well that’s two just on this little forum.
Goes to show VW can sell Golfs no matter what the price point.
And at least these are actually available to order!
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Well that’s two just on this little forum.
Goes to show VW can sell Golfs no matter what the price point.
And at least these are actually available to order!
I wouldn't have placed the order without the hefty discount I got!
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@Hertsman - yes, with the TCR, the performance pack would be the option I would look for, but it would also have to be a later one with the akra. The difference with the R20 is that the akra is an option, like the Ed40 buckets, so will be the sort after extra on used examples, thereby attracting a premium imho, although probably not as much as £3.5k.
Buckets, a £1,350 option in the Ed40 make the car around £5k more expensive than a standard seat example, so we'll see. At the end of the day I spec my cars for my enjoyment and not for the resale value, so what will be, will be!!
Have added options to my last 4 leases, and added the performance pack to the TCR, simply because going to be driving it for three years and the TCR (for me) was not complete without that option, so totally onside with that statement of speccing car for the enjoyment.
However my incoming 128Ti pretty much had all what considered the must have options as standard and only added £1000 worth, lowest ever!
You right on the ED40, the seats are highly desirable if that car you looking for, and that's monetarily reflected due to exclusivity whereas a sunroof is desirable but will not add the cost of one.
If was in market for R 20 years, would want the fully kitted Akra version, so be interesting in 5+ years to see where the prices are but back to that statement, as walk up to it and see them tips as sets the back off, is part of the ownership experience and joy, so its all about the driving the car once its bought not the money it might fetch down the line.
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I wouldn't have placed the order without the hefty discount I got!
Somewhere in the region of 40% I’d hope :laugh:
Just kidding, if you can afford it and want it then why the heck not. You only live once (probably).
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All of a sudden the R 20 Years looks decent value…
https://youtu.be/ozVjnSqyzZ0
£47k
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All of a sudden the R 20 Years looks decent value…
https://youtu.be/ozVjnSqyzZ0
£47k
I agree Exonian :grin:, I saw a video last night comparing the last generation Type R and the new. Was glad I was sat down when they said the price of the new one! :shocked:
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I saw today that Volkswizard has access to one and he will be posting a video review before the 16th December :cool:
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Was tempted by new Civic Type-R as still manual transmission.... But NOT at that price around +/- £47K I have to agree the Golf R 20 Year is looking like much better value for money...
But I would personally next time get either a Golf GTI if could still get a manual transmission and pocket the change or if not manual as i fear is still the case forever more, at a push i would get a regular Golf R or clubsport and pocket a bit less change.
I fear we may not see an end to these ridiculous hikes in car prices. :shocked:
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Lots of reasons here:
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/features/opinion/tim-pollard/new-car-prices/
The reason for the prices are because that's how they are playing the market - lower volume, higher margins. Its hardly damaging VW - profits have doubled despite volumes being way lower.
Once one of the giants starts down this path (and VAG are THE giant), they all follow...
Also, if the "future" is BEV and the market is prepared to pay 45k+ for a BEV (and most seem to live at that price and upwards), why sell an ICE car for any less...
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I been thinking this for months: the ‘chip’ delays and lack of post-covid stock are playing out very nicely for VW and industry. It forces people into speccing their car rather than choosing the next base model off the transporter. Spec = profit. VW can get away with building the cars whenever they want as the most profitable time for them
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As ever with market forces, if one supplier sees an opportunity to use surplus capacity to mass produce a standard spec car (whatever that spec is) then they may make a killing by selling it at a lower price than the rest.
Don't know when that will happen or who that supplier will be though.
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The Volkswizard view:
https://youtu.be/nInO3i1byKM
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The Volkswizard view:
https://youtu.be/nInO3i1byKM
RacingLine stage 1 sounds interesting a little look on there instagram suggests 395bhp for the clubsport.
£720.
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I'd be interested if my car was on a PCP rather than a lease. 😭
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400 bhp in a front driver on summer tyres would be interesting on the slippery salted and gritted roads right now!
Maybe next year when my warranty is about to lapse unless I decide to either take one of those all in plans from VW (warranty, service, breakdown) or retire. The latter far more appealing even though it means I’d have to sell the car & house to buy a hovel somewhere, but I’m good with that.
Mind you, around my neck of the woods I’m usually either stuck behind a line of dawdling pensioners, a caravan or a tractor. The IQ lights aren’t set up for oncoming tractors by the way, they sit too high for the blacked out section and get the full force of the blazing LED’s! It doesn’t impress the farmers much.
So maybe a FWD 400 bhp hatch is a bit overkill. I’m off to look at second hand Hyundai i10’s instead… if ya can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em. :whistle:
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Ooohhhh look at this https://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/new-hyundai-i10-hatchback-10-mpi-se-5dr-ps12349-at-nationwide-cars-4049601?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=position_7_button&utm_campaign=2022-12-17 bye everyone!
But back on topic, it’s interesting to see the small dynamic changes VW have made to the engine on the 20 Years and possibly gearbox mapping too.
I wonder if these things will transfer to another model once the production run ends.
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400 bhp in a front driver on summer tyres would be interesting on the slippery salted and gritted roads right now!
So maybe a FWD 400 bhp hatch is a bit overkill. I’m off to look at second hand Hyundai i10’s instead… if ya can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em. :whistle:
Where do you use 400bhp in a fwd golf? Chris Harris has alluded to the A45s (415bhp) being too much and that the A35 (306bhp) is a much better drivers car. In the rare occasion you do get a clear road, you'd run out of road very quickly or be over a hedge with the DSG box.
Unfortunately golfs and their counterparts have outgrown the twisty roads, but can't compete with the bigger stuff. Which I why the Fiesta and i10 get a mighty review, small, just enough power and all the toys you need in a modern car as standard.
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Quite patently (because of the thread) a 333bhp 4wd is the answer to everything!
A 400 bhp FWD GTI is useable if you do track days or the like (skillz permitting) or use the right roads. Be totally wasted on me though….
… although I wouldn’t say no :whistle:
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Hyundai i10. 0-60 14.9 seconds.
What a death trap. Should carry a higher insurance group.
One reason I love my car is for its towering overtaking ability. Safest car I have ever driven.
And one of the reasons Mrs P is happy to remain my passenger in life.
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Hyundai i10. 0-60 14.9 seconds.
What a death trap. Should carry a higher insurance group.
One reason I love my car is for its towering overtaking ability. Safest car I have ever driven.
And one of the reasons Mrs P is happy to remain my passenger in life.
That's pretty rapid compared with my OH's Lupo! (17+ seconds when new, 20 years later, who knows....).
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Hyundai i10. 0-60 14.9 seconds.
What a death trap. Should carry a higher insurance group.
One reason I love my car is for its towering overtaking ability. Safest car I have ever driven.
And one of the reasons Mrs P is happy to remain my passenger in life.
Try overtaking Ida in her i10 on the roads where I live and you’ll either end up in a hedge or decorating the front of Gethin’s camper van coming the other way.
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Mums got an i10 - cracking little motor. Don't know what the 0-60 time is but alot quicker than 14.9.
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I was just repeating what it said on the link posted earlier about the acceleration times for the i10. Not saying it isn’t a good wee driver. Didn’t make up the info.
Perhaps I am spoiled living in Perthshire with more brilliant driving routes than hours to drive them.
Anyway, there is more to owning a performance car than figures as I guess most GTI owners would agree.
I’ll get my coat ….
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Small, modestly powered cars often feel more fun to drive because they feel faster and you can drive them pretty hard without too many consequences.
But if you only have access to one car (like me), what are you going to want? Answer is a quick but compact quality motor. What might that be I wonder?
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Small, modestly powered cars often feel more fun to drive because they feel faster and you can drive them pretty hard without too many consequences.
But if you only have access to one car (like me), what are you going to want? Answer is a quick but compact quality motor. What might that be I wonder?
Yes a Porsche 911 really is the best compact quality motor, but a modestly powered golf will do for now :wink:
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:laugh:
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Small, modestly powered cars often feel more fun to drive because they feel faster and you can drive them pretty hard without too many consequences.
But if you only have access to one car (like me), what are you going to want? Answer is a quick but compact quality motor. What might that be I wonder?
That's exactly what makes the Up GTI a cracking little car to drive.
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That's exactly what makes the Up GTI a cracking little car to drive.
I’ve always regretted not taking one of those for a spin.
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That's exactly what makes the Up GTI a cracking little car to drive.
I’ve always regretted not taking one of those for a spin.
I never have as I know I'd want one and I have enough cars. :grin:
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Small, modestly powered cars often feel more fun to drive because they feel faster and you can drive them pretty hard without too many consequences.
But if you only have access to one car (like me), what are you going to want? Answer is a quick but compact quality motor. What might that be I wonder?
If you are a new driver with less than 1 year experience, insurance is a high priority. The i20 my grandson has just acquired is a fun car to drive with good spec - satnav, rear view camera, alloys etc and remains of 5 year warranty and 60 time of 12 secs. Horses for courses.
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For those that haven’t already watched it:
https://youtu.be/Bsg1je8TUCE
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For those that haven’t already watched it:
https://youtu.be/Bsg1je8TUCE
I saw it. It’s triggered loads of Honda owners on Honda groups I’m on, I did rofl
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For those that haven’t already watched it:
https://youtu.be/Bsg1je8TUCE
I saw it. It’s triggered loads of Honda owners on Honda groups I’m on, I did rofl
:grin:
Thanks for posting the link i had not seen it.
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Cameron VW Perth has an R Edition 20 sitting in their showroom just now. Classed as “used” with 285 miles registered, it’s yours for £52,900.
Stunning car, stunning price!
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Cameron VW Perth has an R Edition 20 sitting in their showroom just now. Classed as “used” with 285 miles registered, it’s yours for £52,900.
Stunning car, stunning price!
cheaper ones around
https://usedcars.volkswagen.co.uk/en/used-cars/volkswagen/golf-hatchback-special-edition/20-tsi-333-r-20-years-4motion-5dr-dsg-gjc5gd5
https://usedcars.volkswagen.co.uk/en/used-cars/volkswagen/golf-8-r-20-years-20-tsi-4motion-333ps-7-speed-dsg-5-door/golf-8-r-20-years-20-tsi-4motion-333ps-7-speed-dsg-5-door-fkc43fa
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A pain in the arse to maintain the paintwork but the black one looks good.
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The blue wheels look so naff :sick:
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I quite like the blue wheels against the black. It’s a bit different and sometimes I like different.
Not so sure about the blue wheels on the white versions, but the black seems to get away with it.
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I quite like the blue wheels against the black. It’s a bit different and sometimes I like different.
Not so sure about the blue wheels on the white versions, but the black seems to get away with it.
The blue wheels are definitely a bit of a Marmite thing. I also quite like them but prefer them on the white version to the black version.
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I wonder if the blue anodising on the wheels would protect the faces from white worm. Unlikely it’s thick enough though and no consolation to those (most people) who find them offensive :whistle:
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I wonder if the blue anodising on the wheels would protect the faces from white worm. Unlikely it’s thick enough though and no consolation to those (most people) who find them offensive :whistle:
I did wonder the same thing - great minds think alike! Or more likely my general dislike of diamond cut alloys and their poor durability against such things as the dreaded white worm :smiley:.
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https://youtu.be/nUh7Dr2dS8Y
£50k+ for a pre-reg’d R20Y or £54k for an RS3 a few months old from an Audi dealer?
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Hello all. After a little while away from my ED40 - with an M2 - I'm looking into ordering a Golf R 20 years (clearly can't get enough of a special edition Golf...).
Appreciate this has probably been asked before, but I'm a little out of the loop: what's the difference between the Discover Media and Pro? According to the configurator, it's only voice activation, but for £1,245 I'm sure it must be more than that.
I also can't see on either Media or Pro whether it comes with CarPlay, which is essential for me. Any ideas?
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Don't think there's £1k+ of difference between Discover Media and Pro, other than having nav on the centre console and the dash at the same time, but it's a lot of money and I doubt it's worth it even if you're a zillionaire.
Wireless Carplay (and Android Auto) are available in the standard Discover Media and that's all I have and need.
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Wireless CarPlay is standard.
If the only difference is having maps on both screens, then its insanity. You can enable that dual display with OBD11. And the maps are crap anyway.
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I think vw UK packaged the infotainment differently on the performance models. Normally the big screen is navpro... And in Europe its bundled with a data package too.
You literally get nothing for the money in the UK... Even less than you did on the MK7
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I’ve noticed the flood of R20TH edition now for sale and dealers not shifting them ! Even some private sellers hoping to making a killing have now reduced their prices below the factory list prices.
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I’ve noticed the flood of R20TH edition now for sale and dealers not shifting them ! Even some private sellers hoping to making a killing have now reduced their prices below the factory list prices.
VW tend to send a batch of special edition Golfs out to dealers as stock cars when they launch them, generally in standard spec. Pretty annoying if you have a car on order and have a long wait to see these jump the line, but that’s how it is.
They did the same with the Ed40 as there wasn’t exactly a rush of orders for them on launch, these sat at dealers for ages until VWUK ordered the dealers to register them ahead of the 7.5 launch in March 2017.
Good deals to be had once they were pre-reg’d but naff all discounts prior to that compared to a similarly priced 7R.
Similar to the Ed40 I’d imagine the base spec R 20Y cars sent to dealers as stock cars won’t be to the spec that people with £50k to spend on a hatchback would particularly want. No DCC (a plus in my opinion but not in anybody else’s!), no Akra, no H&K, no HUD, not even a rear camera…
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Had a look myself at those for sale and as said they are mostly 2022 dealer demos with no extras on these except for Lapiz blue paint
Only one car which is a private sale seems to be under list though
Few dealers are offering cars that are due to arrive shortly for sale some with options on them
Think a lot of the dealer demos will have a higher Apr rate than if you were buying a new one
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^^^^ higher APR and you’d have to pay road tax (which would have been included in the OTR costs of a new car)
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I see with the Budget the VED from April will be £570 ouch. (180 + 390) but that is after first year. Obviously first year has gone up as well.
The prices being quoted by dealers as previously mentioned are pretty mad. Hoping they drop fir anyone after a R20
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I see with the Budget the VED from April will be £570 ouch. (180 + 390) but that is after first year. Obviously first year has gone up as well.
The prices being quoted by dealers as previously mentioned are pretty mad. Hoping they drop fir anyone after a R20
That luxury tax needs revising - £40k does not buy a luxury car these days, and why should a £40k Golf GTI with options cost the same as a Bugatti Chiron to tax?
That threshold needs to be up at £55k and then the fairest way would be that above the threshold you pay 0.5% of RRP annually in enhanced VED - let the £1m car owners pay £5k a year.
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I see with the Budget the VED from April will be £570 ouch. (180 + 390) but that is after first year. Obviously first year has gone up as well.
The prices being quoted by dealers as previously mentioned are pretty mad. Hoping they drop fir anyone after a R20
That luxury tax needs revising - £40k does not buy a luxury car these days, and why should a £40k Golf GTI with options cost the same as a Bugatti Chiron to tax?
That threshold needs to be up at £55k and then the fairest way would be that above the threshold you pay 0.5% of RRP annually in enhanced VED - let the £1m car owners pay £5k a year.
It’s not been referred to as a luxury tax on gov.uk website for some time - it merely refers to vehicles with a list price of more than £40k. From gov.uk website;
Vehicles with a list price of more than £40,000
You have to pay an extra £355 a year if you have a car or motorhome with a ‘list price’ (the published price before any discounts) of more than £40,000. You do not have to pay this if you have a zero emission vehicle.
You’re preaching to the converted on a car forum when you suggest the £40k threshold ought to be increased. Realistically, I can’t see this happening any time soon (if ever) though, as it’s a very convenient way for HM Gov to generate revenue. And as car manufacturers price increases push more new car list prices above the £40k threshold it’s an increasing revenue source, provided new car registrations continue at current levels or greater than current levels.
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I see with the Budget the VED from April will be £570 ouch. (180 + 390) but that is after first year. Obviously first year has gone up as well.
The prices being quoted by dealers as previously mentioned are pretty mad. Hoping they drop fir anyone after a R20
That luxury tax needs revising - £40k does not buy a luxury car these days, and why should a £40k Golf GTI with options cost the same as a Bugatti Chiron to tax?
That threshold needs to be up at £55k and then the fairest way would be that above the threshold you pay 0.5% of RRP annually in enhanced VED - let the £1m car owners pay £5k a year.
It’s not been referred to as a luxury tax on gov.uk website for some time - it merely refers to vehicles with a list price of more than £40k. From gov.uk website;
Vehicles with a list price of more than £40,000
You have to pay an extra £355 a year if you have a car or motorhome with a ‘list price’ (the published price before any discounts) of more than £40,000. You do not have to pay this if you have a zero emission vehicle.
You’re preaching to the converted on a car forum when you suggest the £40k threshold ought to be increased. Realistically, I can’t see this happening any time soon (if ever) though, as it’s a very convenient way for HM Gov to generate revenue. And as car manufacturers price increases push more new car list prices above the £40k threshold it’s an increasing revenue source, provided new car registrations continue at current levels or greater than current levels.
I think there'd be far less ongoing resentment to this grossly unfair tax (from the point of view that why should a £41k car cost the same as a £1m car to tax) if it was all built into the original purchase price. It would grate on the original owner initially and then be forgotten. Fast forward to year 6 and that £41k car might be now worth £15k but still costing well over £500 to tax (probably £700 in 6 years time!). That's a kick in the bollocks as a reminder every year.
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What you're all asking for is a progressive tax system where the richer people pay more than poorer people. Sounds fair to me but it's not what we've in the UK and unlikely to change under the current government.
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If it helps a 16 year old R32 Golf is now £695 to tax
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Mzybe not be too long before they just do road pricing. Those that use the roads and create the most polution may pay the most. As for electric cars with the new electric smart meters they can start to charge more at peak demand and at differnt household demand levels.
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Probably not be too long before they just do road pricing. Those that use the roads and create the most polution may pay the most. As for electric cars with the new electric smart meters they can start to charge more at peak demand and at differnt household demand levels.
The trouble with EVs is that those with a driveway and a charger will be at a huge running cost advantage vs those who don't, when not driving beyond the range of the car That needs addressing. Imagine an exclusive club that allowed rich people to pay 50p a litre at the petrol pumps?
Those in terraced houses and flats in a BEV will be clobbered at external chargers and road charges.
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What you're all asking for is a progressive tax system where the richer people pay more than poorer people. Sounds fair to me but it's not what we've in the UK and unlikely to change under the current government.
As I said above Monkeyhanger. :wink: