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Model specific boards => Golf mk8 => Topic started by: jon87 on 07 January 2022, 22:26
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Hi all, new member here. Although, been following the forum for quite a while.
Had a Mk7 GTD DSG which I kept for just under 5 years, loved that car! Recently changed to a manual i30n facelift, it's a great car too, but if I'm honest I miss the Golf and regret selling it. The Golf had much more comfier seats than the Nlight seats I've got currently, especially for longer journeys. The Golf also felt lighter, and I'm missing the DSG.
I was thinking about trading the i30n (I know, already!) for a MK8 GTI, however have been told it's around a 9 month wait. I also came across this article which has rumours of a facelift, potentially late next year (apologies if it's already been shared on here):
https://www.latestcarnews.net/vw-golf-2023/
I can imagine them improving the interior quite a bit for the FL. I'm kind of stuck now whether to order the GTI now or just hang on another year for some concrete news on the FL. This article does make sense though and surely VW wouldn't leave it any later. Has anyone come across anything?
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If it was coming, it would be at roughly 3 or 4 years by typical historical timings.
I think though the mk8 this time will go a bit longer (there won't be a mk9) so maybe a few years to go.
Basically if you order now you'll get the face lift :laugh:
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Interiors are rarely updated for a facelift, and if they did the changes would be pretty minor.
I would expect the front end styling to be tweaked, maybe change the wheels and a few options becoming standard with some new ones made available. I wouldn't hope for much more than that.
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If it was coming, it would be at roughly 3 or 4 years by typical historical timings.
I think though the mk8 this time will go a bit longer (there won't be a mk9) so maybe a few years to go.
Basically if you order now you'll get the face lift :laugh:
With the launch of the mk8 in 2019, IMHO mid life facelift will probably appear towards the end of next year / beginning of 2024.
Interiors are rarely updated for a facelift, and if they did the changes would be pretty minor.
I would expect the front end styling to be tweaked, maybe change the wheels and a few options becoming standard with some new ones made available. I wouldn't hope for much more than that.
Agree. External changes are usually limited to bumpers, light clusters and alloys. VW won’t be looking to incur significant costs with a facelift; the main objective of the facelift is to maintain customer interest and sales at minimum cost. There may be some cost cutting changes too, to help offset the cost of any enhancements.
New infotainment screens and instrument displays are likely to be the extent of any interior refresh. Some models of the mk7 Golf gained the AID (digital instrumentation display) and the larger glass infotainment screen when it got its mid life face lift to the mk7.5. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the slider panel below the infotainment screen in the mk8 become backlit. All very speculative though - and I dare say much of the content of article at the link posted by @jon87 is speculative too.
@jon87 IMHO life’s too short to worry about ifs, buts and maybes. I’ve never let the prospect of a forthcoming facelift at some point in the future delay my order / purchase decision, and I’d say if you’ve decided to order a mk8 GTI, go for it now.
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Mk7 became the Mk7.5 at around the 4 year point. The Mk7.5 lasted a further 3 years before the Mk8 was launched.
Mk5 was heavily reworked to become the Mk6 after 5 years but then lasted a further 4 years before the Mk7 came out.
It is all speculative as to exactly what we can expect, VW rarely reveals specific plans long in advance of a model launch.
If there really won't be a Mk9 (which I don't believe VW have officially confirmed yet), they may decide to stretch the lifespan of the Mk8 to suit. This could mean longer between facelifts or they may decide to do two facelifts.
VW didn't really play around much with the Mk7.5 over the Mk7, most of the improvements are tech based and are compatible to a degree between the two cars. However they've just done a big upgrade of the T-Roc interior as lots of people criticised the original cheap feeling interior.
Sometimes it's worth waiting for the new model, sometimes it isn't. I wouldn't think there's enough definite information out there yet to decide one way or the other.
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VW’s pattern is facelift after 4 years and then new model after 7-8 years.
That said the MK8 was such a dragged out launch with Covid, March 2020 was when it was supposed to be but that hardly happened with Covid and basically the entire of 2020 in and out of lock downs.
At some point in 2 ish years time they will thrown some spec at as standard but by then it will be £50k for a standard GTI :grin:
Yes 40+ weeks minimum for anything performance Golf as a fresh order placed.
Dealers still cannot order any allocation of stock where as typically we used to be able to order 15-20 Golf every month.
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MK8.5 will be just a way to raise the prices yet again... :whistle:
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There definitely won't be a mk9 simply because we are three to eight years away from the end of ice in Europe (depending on country).
Absolutely no point in spending more rnd money on ice now, or at least not on something as vanilla as a golf.
Vw need to spend more money on their electric future as at the moment they are losing that game to Koreans.
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I thought VW confirmed some time last year that there would be new generations of the Golf, T-Roc, Tiguan etc but that models such as the Arteon would not be replaced.
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Not quite sure where they will be selling them then... Most countries outright ban ice in 2030. Including Germany. Here in the UK you've got another five years of hybrid but that's it.
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VW didn't really play around much with the Mk7.5 over the Mk7, most of the improvements are tech based and are compatible to a degree between the two cars. However they've just done a big upgrade of the T-Roc interior as lots of people criticised the original cheap feeling interior.
To my mind, it's a no-brainer to redesign the Golf's dash/UI. The 8 obviously drives really well - better than the 7/7.5 by all reports. Yet the 8's UI has deterred a lot of Golf owners from upgrading to the new one (I'm one). There would obviously be cost incurred in redesigning the dash, but what is the ongoing benefit to VW of maintaining existing Golf customers and attracting new ones otherwise put off by the digitalisation? Greater than the cost, I'd bet.
As for facelift timelines, I don't think previous examples are all that relevant in this case. If Golf 8 sales tank enough, VW may well be forced to act.
Having said all that from a logical perspective, I personally don't think they will, for the reasons Fred outlined above. They're more likely to let the Golf wither and put more resources into development of the ID line. Risky strategy though, to my mind.
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It's more risky not to pour your money into electric. If nations weren't about to ban ice it would be different. If it was just a consumer choice... But it's not.
You have to remember vw are/were the largest car maker in the world... They won't want to be seen to their investors as falling to someone else more capable of adaptation. Although I think they probably will...
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Most of the problems are software related. I don't think there's really any need for a wholesale redesign of the dash.
I don't expect them to go backwards and start reintroducing buttons, the whole point of this UI was to get people ready for digitalisation and the transition to electric vehicles. Once the Golf is gone (be it a Mk8 or a Mk9) the choice will be an ID or another brand.
Last time I checked the EU was proposing to ban ICE in 2035. There are some specific cities and regions that have stated 2030, but the EU as a whole is currently 2035. By then the Mk8 will have been around for 16 years.
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I just don't understand the assumption that going 'electric' means no buttons?
Can anyone shed some light on this?
It's by no means a given that it has to be like this.... look at the fully electric cars from Porsche and Audi.... plenty of quality buttons still in there.
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I think I remember seeing at some point the Kia EV6 has a rotary control that works both the climate and volume at the behest of the driver. That sounds like a simple compromise.
I can see VW making the sliders on the iPad unit backlit but, similar to Fred, I’d be very surprised if they did a major redesign on the Golf any time soon.
There’s a Skoda Enyaq appeared in my works car park in the last month or so and that definitely looks more traditional control wise than VW’s ID models (and Golf) despite being an MEB car.
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The Enyaq has a few extra buttons over the ID3 / ID4 in the same way the Octavia has a few more buttons than the Golf. But it isn't radically different in the way it operates.
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The whole "no buttons" thing is just out of control Internet crap tbh.
I have zero problems with operation of the interface other than software glitches. If it ever gets fixed, it's fine.
Honestly it's just some idiot reviewers.
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Agreed.
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Although I still prefer some buttons and rotary controllers.
The steering wheel haptics are similar to iPhone in feel. I don’t like them in either. Both do the job well but aren’t pleasant to use.
A nicely damped proper button is much more tactile.
However most manufacturers are going the haptic pad route.
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Yes but why???
We have well sorted and functioning buttons on the dash/steering wheel of the Mk7.5 so why change? What's the driver behind it? Is it an improvement? because many on here don't think so but seem to have excepted it as 'the way forward'.
So if all mechanical keyboards were removed from laptops and desktops would that be seen as the way forward? I certainly couldn't type as fast/accurately on a touch screen.
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Exactly the reason for me querying the facelift. Whilst I liked the looks and drive of the GTI, the all touchscreen interior I didn't like (software glitches aside), and was the main reason at the time for looking elsewhere. I would be very surprised if they don't update it significantly in the facelift to make it more user friendly.
I agree the past facelifts have mainly consisted of minor exterior and interior updates with a price hike. However, the amount of criticism from the media and also potential customers who were originally looking to upgrade to the Mk8 but didn't will have an impact on how much effort VW put into the facelift. Same thing with the t-roc, the interior had a lot of criticism, and the changes VW have made to the facelift are pretty significant.
Honda made a U-turn on the touchscreen interior after much criticism. I'm not saying VW will, and at the same time I wouldn't rule anything out either, but I can imagine they will put a lot of effort into the facelift to win back lost customers.
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Seems early to be talking about facelifts :laugh: but think many people are hoping that a facelift will bring a revision to interior controls.
Interesting article on link from OP. Although feel it’s a little far away to get an accurate idea on details.
Volkswagen have already confirmed (as mentioned by someone else in thread) that there will be a mk9 Golf. It was confirmed by VW at one of their financial events such as group results presentation.
I know we are getting excited about 2030 and end of ICE but for parts of rest of world they will be selling ICE for 5/10 or 15 further years.
We in UK may lose out on Golfs but doesn’t mean it won’t be possible to buy one in other countries while we go electric.
Anyway I will try and find the VW press release that says they are working on future models of Golf, T-Roc and Tiguan
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The whole "no buttons" thing is just out of control Internet crap tbh......Honestly it's just some idiot reviewers.
Nah, it's not, Fred. It's good you (and others) get on with the digital interface, but I can't stand it. In fact we recently bought two cars and only considered those which had traditional dials and buttons. I know what works for me, and touchscreens definitely ain't it. And I know I'm far, far from alone,
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I just don't understand the assumption that going 'electric' means no buttons?
Can anyone shed some light on this?
It's by no means a given that it has to be like this.... look at the fully electric cars from Porsche and Audi.... plenty of quality buttons still in there.
Spot-on. I don't buy the "it's the future, get used to it" thing. It's just another form of cost-cutting dressed up as some sort of so-called advancement - which is the exact opposite.
Looks like someone forgot to tell Honda in their brilliant Honda-E that touchscreens are the future. All conventional HVAC controls:
https://images.pistonheads.com/nimg/43068/DSCF1446.jpg
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Having had six months of touch screen Golf 8 life and haptic controls, I was sceptical at first but it really isn't an issue. Most things you need the touch screen for wouldn't be changed on the move anyway. changing the temperature is easy just tap the button with no light and adjust it. The steering wheel buttons for changing the radio/ volume etc work well and the slide for volume is really quick (much quicker than the buttons in the 7.5).
Don't get me wrong when I first started driving the car I hadn't even test drove it and was like "What the f@$% Have I done?" but after a proper sit on the drive having a play and then driving it more and more i find it more intuitive than I expected and with shortcuts on the swipe down menu the really important ones are a swipe away and it really isn't as bad as every reviewer seems to slate.
My wife has a Kodiaq with a touchscreen Nav (the Pro version out of the golf 7.5) and normal rotary dials for heating but even in that we may only change the temperature at the start and then leave it around the 21 mark and it does its job of controlling the climate
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Spot-on. I don't buy the "it's the future, get used to it" thing. It's just another form of cost-cutting dressed up as some sort of so-called advancement - which is the exact opposite.
But cost cutting is important... well, assuming you don't want to be paying 50k for a Golf...
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Having had six months of touch screen Golf 8 life and haptic controls, I was sceptical at first but it really isn't an issue. Most things you need the touch screen for wouldn't be changed on the move anyway. changing the temperature is easy just tap the button with no light and adjust it. The steering wheel buttons for changing the radio/ volume etc work well and the slide for volume is really quick (much quicker than the buttons in the 7.5).
Don't get me wrong when I first started driving the car I hadn't even test drove it and was like "What the f@$% Have I done?" but after a proper sit on the drive having a play and then driving it more and more i find it more intuitive than I expected and with shortcuts on the swipe down menu the really important ones are a swipe away and it really isn't as bad as every reviewer seems to slate.
My wife has a Kodiaq with a touchscreen Nav (the Pro version out of the golf 7.5) and normal rotary dials for heating but even in that we may only change the temperature at the start and then leave it around the 21 mark and it does its job of controlling the climate
Quite...
Don't get me wrong, if you read my test drive write up on here I was really struggling in the 40 mins I had! I kept pressing the heated steering wheel button by accident.
Haven't done that once since I owned my own Mk8.
I had a few days of figuring it out but since then... its mainly easy and second nature. Certainly no harder than the Mk7.5 was...
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I wish they'd kept the climate/heating settings in a separate panel tbh. Everything else is fine.
I like heated seats, especially this time of year obviously. But I find that its a bit of a faff switching them on/off via the screen. If my wife is with me in the passenger seat, she has to ask me to do it for her seat too! I hate voice control, it just never works for me, so I will never bother with it. For the cabin temp, I nearly always leave it at 22 degrees, so thats fine, I don't need to change that very often. However whenever I used the supposed "shortcut" to turn on/off the heated seat (double tap the temp slider), I end up inadvertently changing the cabin temp by a degree or two!
I'm fine with the haptic buttons on the wheel too. I like that I've the option to slide the volume up/down as well as press. However, where is the phone button? Loads of buttons on the wheel and there isn't one for the phone.
As an aside, I have noticed that the climate control (de-misting functionality in particular) doesn't seem to be as effective as I think it should be. Anyone else notice this, that the windows sometimes fog-up.... I rarely ever needed to use the full-power demist function on previous Golfs but I've had to use it a few times in the MK8.
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Yeah it does fog more than the Mk7.... its something to do with both the placement of the vents and the default "smart climate" mode of AC.
The other thing you get when its cold is that the front camera gets obscurred by mist too - generating bongs about front assist, dynamic lighting etc.... you need to use the max blower button to make that go away.
For heated seats, just press the button on the screen.... easy enough, without the "hack"
I honestly don't spend any time changing the cabin temperature - its set all year round to the same temp. I must be weird like that, because everyone else seems to like to fiddle with it constantly.
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For heated seats, just press the button on the screen.... easy enough, without the "hack"
I honestly don't spend any time changing the cabin temperature - its set all year round to the same temp. I must be weird like that, because everyone else seems to like to fiddle with it constantly.
As I said, I rarely change the temp either. I generally leave it at ~22. But toggling the heated seat setting is a faff, whether its via the screen or via that hack, where you end up changing the cabin temp inadvertently.
Say via the screen...
I often have the main screen in CarPlay mode. So if I want to adjust the heated seat, I end up having to navigate away from CarPlay mode and into the "Climate" screen. That screen then persists forever unless I press X to dismiss it again. When I press X, I think it does go back to where I was (CarPlay) but not always. Its just an awkward experience, too much faffing about when your eyes should be on the road...
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I can’t really comment on the “for better” or “for worse” debate. I’ll find out when my car eventually arrives.
But, one thing I think is being overlooked is that not every golf is a relatively high specc’d GTI/GTD or R, how many are lower end cars without many options. When we all had buttons the unticked options had to have little plastic filler buttons that just scream “look at what you could’ve had”. I do understand why VW and others have moved this way, it’s cheaper to create a standard cabin that can be used across the entire range with a software box ticked to enable the appropriate features.
I don’t fully get the negativity, I don’t hear every Tesla review moaning about the heating controls, like I say, I’ll make up my mind later.
Regarding the sliders, I do agree that the lack of illumination is an oversight, I’ve read/seen somewhere that the new Polo has illuminated sliders, I might be wrong and can’t find it now, but if so, surely that’s just a MY update.
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Regarding the sliders, I do agree that the lack of illumination is an oversight, I’ve read/seen somewhere that the new Polo has illuminated sliders, I might be wrong and can’t find it now, but if so, surely that’s just a MY update.
The Polo gaining a buttonless touch screen panel for heating, ventilation and air con was one of the changes VW made as part of the recent Polo range facelift. I think it now uses the same panel that’s used in the latest versions of the Tiguan and T-Roc.
The ‘sliders’ in the Polo are illuminated (‘arrowed’ in red in the picture below) but IMHO they need to be, as the HVAC controls are positioned quite low down - below the central air vents, so I’d say it’d be very difficult to find a non-illuminated temperature adjustment slider that low down when driving after dark. Even with illumination I dare say it’d be very difficult to make cabin temperature adjustments without the driver diverting their attention from the road ahead. At least the mk8 Golf’s slider panel is at a sensible, safe height for changing cabin temperature and audio volume as it’s high up on the fascia.
Here’s the facelift Polo set up;
(https://i.postimg.cc/8PTvTmvK/15-F91895-32-D0-4410-93-E1-03-BF873382-BC.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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That's the same as the current Tiguan and Aerton setup, which in reality is the previous generation tech with some lipstick applied... Note that the infotainment screen in the Polo there is the same MIB unit as the one that was in the 7.5 Golf.
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That's the same as the current Tiguan and Aerton setup, which in reality is the previous generation tech with some lipstick applied... Note that the infotainment screen in the Polo there is the same MIB unit as the one that was in the 7.5 Golf.
Yes, only the Golf and the ID have the new style digital interface and everything that comes with it.
The rest have variants of the Mk7.5 gear...
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Hang on a minute here, never mind buttonless buttons and the like, on a more biological level - are some of you guys reptiles? 21 & 22 degrees? Do you drive in your undies with your heated seats on and your climate set to well over 20°C? :laugh:
That is quite balmy.
I’m more of an 18° type boy.
No heated seats as mine’s peasant spec.
I do like the steering wheel warmer though, but only on its lowest setting.
Oh, and yes, the windows on the 8 do seem to mist up a bit despite aircon being on.
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Hang on a minute here, never mind buttonless buttons and the like, on a more biological level - are some of you guys reptiles? 21 & 22 degrees? Do you drive in your undies with your heated seats on and your climate set to well over 20°C? :laugh:
That is quite balmy.
I’m more of an 18° type boy.
No heated seats as mine’s peasant spec.
I do like the steering wheel warmer though, but only on its lowest setting.
Oh, and yes, the windows on the 8 do seem to mist up a bit despite aircon being on.
18 degrees? Pffft - LUXURY! When I was boy, we'd fashion car out of solid ice block. AND we'd leave windows down in Winter!
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I’d imagine in Oz 18°C would give you frostbite!
I’d want a car hewn from solid ice if I lived there!!
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I think you might be semi right
https://www.evo.co.uk/volkswagen/golf-r/204499/new-high-performance-volkswagen-golf-teased
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Anniversary R model?
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Let me fix that for you:
Anniversary R model sticker pack?
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I think you might be semi right
https://www.evo.co.uk/volkswagen/golf-r/204499/new-high-performance-volkswagen-golf-teased
Interesting! Will certainly be keeping an eye on this.
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Maybe this is the 330 p.s output engine that's shown in the Golf owners handbook...
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A manual Clubsport in a nice colour :drool: and my order is going in
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This is just the launch of the Golf R in the US I think, not a special model. The autocar image is off the US instagram page.
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This is just the launch of the Golf R in the US I think, not a special model. The autocar image is off the US instagram page.
They already get the R but it could be the Clubsport? They get the GTI and R currently
More annoyingly though a DSG R is $45,440 or £33,470 on the road!!!
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https://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=288422.msg2647290#msg2647290
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https://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=288422.msg2647290#msg2647290
Nooooooooo it cant be true it cant be true :sad:
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Anyone else seen this? Apparently the standard Golf GTI MK8 in the US will feature two proper physical knobs as part of the infotainment system. 3:54 mins here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tTXCm9YlCQ
Please VW give us that option! Rather than those nasty sliders you can't even see in the dark!
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Anyone else seen this? Apparently the standard Golf GTI MK8 in the US will feature two proper physical knobs as part of the infotainment system. 3:54 mins here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tTXCm9YlCQ
Please VW give us that option! Rather than those nasty sliders you can't even see in the dark!
The US market gets three set levels of trim in the GTI; S, SE and Autobahn - customers don’t have the ability to spec individual options . The only factory available selectable options are on the SE model - black alloys and leather. Each trim level is available either as a 6 speed manual or 7 speed DSG.
It’s only the entry level GTI ‘S’ trim level that gets the two physical knobs in lieu of the non illuminated slider panel, and because the slider panel is deleted, it also loses the ability to adjust the cabin temperature via this slider.
The SE and Autobahn get the same infotainment screen without physical knobs and the same non illuminated slider panel below the infotainment screen as UK models. It looks as if the ‘S’ model loses the ability to adjust the temperature temperature via slider panel.
So VW haven’t decided to reintroduce physical knobs on all infotainment units in the US - it’s only the entry level GTI that gets these, along with a smaller 8.25” screen instead of the knob-less 10” screen in the two higher trim level GTI’s.
(https://i.postimg.cc/h4prjNFJ/030420-D1-A694-466-F-8445-9228-ED70890-D.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/K43Lpq8F)
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I've seen pictures of GTI's with those 2 physical knobs before. Some markets in Europe get that unit as standard - its the "basic" infotainment and the screen is also a good bit smaller. Similar to the 7.5 generation units, where the pro-nav lost the physical buttons too.
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Yes, in other markets there is a different MIB unit with lower power and a smaller screen. This has some physical knobs.
Its not available on any UK Mk8's of any kind though - not even a base Mk8
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Anyone else seen this? Apparently the standard Golf GTI MK8 in the US will feature two proper physical knobs as part of the infotainment system. 3:54 mins here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tTXCm9YlCQ
Please VW give us that option! Rather than those nasty sliders you can't even see in the dark!
Not all that it seems. Slider bar for temp is removed but without replacement so the only way to alter temp is via ‘clima’ hot key and then adjusting on screen
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd7FzDzCWaE
Lets hope not!
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Makes sense timing wise if 2024 release. Facelifts don't bother me so much I am just not keen on receiving a car that is then shortly replaced with a brand new model.
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An improvement, especially the headlights but I wonder how accurate it’ll prove to be.
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If it was coming, it would be at roughly 3 or 4 years by typical historical timings.
I think though the mk8 this time will go a bit longer (there won't be a mk9) so maybe a few years to go.
Basically if you order now you'll get the face lift :laugh:
Earlier this year^^^^
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An improvement, especially the headlights but I wonder how accurate it’ll prove to be.
I don't think it'll be accurate at all. It is a complete shot in the dark in order to get a few YouTube hits. To be fair I think they admit they have no knowledge. A bit like the wheels or football kits we used to design & draw as kids before computers became a thing.
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An improvement, especially the headlights but I wonder how accurate it’ll prove to be.
I don't think it'll be accurate at all. It is a complete shot in the dark in order to get a few YouTube hits. To be fair I think they admit they have no knowledge. A bit like the wheels or football kits we used to design & draw as kids before computers became a thing.
Agree.
Mid life facelifts usually involve relatively low cost changes to maintain customer interest and generate sales through to the end of a model’s lifecycle.
Recent VW mid life facelifts to various models have usually been limited to some or all of the following;
- revised headlamps and tail lights
- revised bumpers
- new designs of alloys
- new infotainment units / instrumentation displays
The mk7.5 facelift was a little unusual in that there were also new pressings for the front wings, although visually they looked the same as the mk7 front wings. The recent Polo facelift also got a new tailgate to accommodate the mk8 Golf style tail lights.
So I think based on the above, we could probably all produce a reasonable render of what the mk8.5 facelift might look like by making a few nips and tucks to the lights and bumpers, and adding a fresh set of alloys. Would it be accurate? Unlikely, although it it’d probably be as accurate as other renders in YouTube videos.
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https://www.carscoops.com/2022/09/vw-golf-facelift-reveals-larger-infotainment-screen-in-first-spy-shots/
I am seeing this screen being likely in the new Tiguan and Golf facelifts. Not sure about it to be honest. When they dont integrate in any way I tend not to like it.
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Horrible!
I can't stand the way Mercedes plonk screens on their dashes and this is even worse.
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I have to agree. It looks like it has been stuck on and is quite obstructive of the view to the front.
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Looks like it's had the manual heating control upgrade module fitted.
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It’s just a test mule. The screen could end up that size but the whole dash architecture will probably be redesigned to integrate it! Plus that is what testing is for; big chance that VW’s accountants will have it shrinked anyway.
It’s so early in dev stage that the old screen still sits behind it!
(https://i.postimg.cc/zv6QC1mg/77141597-8-F79-4-A2-E-B6-CC-03-B56-AA0-F212.png) (https://postimg.cc/1V0MS23m)
And this is the spy shots from the ‘new’ Tiguan coming next year. As you can see this has been integrated so the dash is covered up accordingly.
(https://i.postimg.cc/1RjbhDg3/16090-E38-0-D3-C-4-F94-A3-D7-55-BF8-F298168.png) (https://postimg.cc/JtjpjDcf)
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Lets hope the in house Software engineers have finally got their city and guilds to make software that works!!!! :whistle:
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Im not sure I would call that Tiguan screen integrated....
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Well it is clearly going to be a floating screen, a lá Tesla. However it is well in position and not in the way of anything in the driver’s eyesight etc.
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Well it is clearly going to be a floating screen, a lá Tesla. However it is well in position and not in the way of anything in the driver’s eyesight etc.
Fair point - if they want to go big they don't have much choice. Sitting in a new Focus with the 13.2 display highlighted to me screens can be to big!
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That looks like the same screen they use in the Cupra Formentor, it is pretty big, but having been in one I can confirm it doesn’t impede the drivers view at all, I quite like it, it would be a nice improvement to the golf IMO,
(https://i.postimg.cc/7hH4Rvw7/5-EEBF226-D88-B-457-C-8-B17-95134513-F4-ED.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/cgbPKbK4)
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As long as it works :grin:
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Thats just what this model needs.. a larger screen
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A bigger screen would be awesome.
I'd be able to read what the latest error bong meant without having to put on my reading glasses.
Great improvement vw...
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:grin:
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:grin: :grin:
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A bigger screen would be awesome.
I'd be able to read what the latest error bong meant without having to put on my reading glasses.
Great improvement vw...
But……(and I’m playing devil’s advocate here); would VW try and cram more onto a larger screen display and keep the font size the same? If so, you might still need your reading glasses :whistle:.
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What I would be concerned with is if they do release the face-lift what support will the older system get. :sad: :undecided:
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Hi all,
Glad to be back on this forum after a while. Still missing my MK7 GTD which I had for 5 years. Since then I've had the i30n facelift and now the new Ford Focus facelift ST-line. The new Focus is a great car and fun to drive but just don't love it like the Golf I had.
I was waiting for the mk8 GTI before both of these cars but was disappointed with the quality compared to the MK7 and also reading all the complaints regarding the software put me off. I've seen news articles starting to come out now for the 8.5 facelift which seems like it's going to be announced by the end of this year and on sale next year. This time I won't hesitate in placing my order and hopefully a number of things will have been improved.
Anyone else waiting for the 8.5?
https://www.carscoops.com/2023/03/2024-vw-golf-facelift-the-return-of-the-compact-hatch-archetype/
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/2024-volkswagen-golf-8-facelift-spied-for-the-first-time-has-a-massive-screen-199936.html
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Do VW seriously believe that by sticking an i-Pad on the dash that qualifies as a facelift? How about the large number of owners still waiting for their Mk8's ordered and paid for with build weeks still not confirmed or never met? Dealers with scant information on any topic that seems to have plagued this model. Read the forum pages to see generally disappointed owners in droves.
The majority of Mk8 owners have been loyal to the VW brand for decades owning their performance models. VW should be addressing our concerns first. Wonder it the facelift will include an engine cover?
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That'll be an optional extra @ £120 along with a bongless steering wheel @ £500.
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I've had the i30n facelift and now the new Ford Focus facelift ST-line.
You seem to have a bit of a thing for facelifts by the looks of it.
Looking in the mirror these days I reckon I really need a facelift myself but alas you can’t polish a turd. Hopefully the same won’t be true of the Golf mk8 facelift but I won’t hold my breath…
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Horrible!
I can't stand the way Mercedes plonk screens on their dashes and this is even worse.
Yep, the Mercedes approach is sooo ugly.
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I've had the i30n facelift and now the new Ford Focus facelift ST-line.
You seem to have a bit of a thing for facelifts by the looks of it.
Lol that's true! Getting these two facelift cars was a fluke due to not getting the mk8 :smiley:
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Interesting, mk 8.5 seen testing on roads today in Germany
Looks to be very minor changes on the outside, slimmer headlights and new fog lights and can't really tell much of a difference to the rear. I suppose most of the changes will be on the inside.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/volkswagen-golf-due-restyle-and-infotainment-overhaul-2023
https://www.motor1.com/news/670242/2024-vw-golf-spy-photos/
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Interesting, mk 8.5 seen testing on roads today in Germany
Looks to be very minor changes on the outside, slimmer headlights and new fog lights and can't really tell much of a difference to the rear. I suppose most of the changes will be on the inside.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/volkswagen-golf-due-restyle-and-infotainment-overhaul-2023
https://www.motor1.com/news/670242/2024-vw-golf-spy-photos/
In my opinion, the rear lights on that car likely have vinyl over them, I’d bet the inner light will be much slimmer too, very much like the iD3.
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That screen is BIG!
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I miss the days when screen's look integrated :sad:
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I miss the days when screen's look integrated :sad:
👍
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Got the below from the general Golf 8 forum which someone had posted...
Heard that the Golf 8.5 presentation will be in November 2023 and first sales in Germany around same time.
Here's what was mentioned:
Three new colors: Oyster Silver Metallic, Grenadilla Black, Anemone Blue Met.
New headlights
New graphics for the rear lights
New rims
New bumpers
New internal inserts
Plug-in version with the 1.5 tsi
New 12.9" central display
New electronics.
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Got the below from the general Golf 8 forum which someone had posted...
Heard that the Golf 8.5 presentation will be in November 2023 and first sales in Germany around same time.
Here's what was mentioned:
Three new colors: Oyster Silver Metallic, Grenadilla Black, Anemone Blue Met.
New headlights
New graphics for the rear lights
New rims
New bumpers
New internal inserts
Plug-in version with the 1.5 tsi
New 12.9" central display
New electronics.
All pretty much standard fare for a VW mid-life facelift. I wonder what the ‘new electronics’ are? Maybe reverting back to physical controls for the most used functions?
Hopefully, VW will have finally got their act together and have the software issues well and truly sorted.
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It’s not clear how speculative this is.
https://youtu.be/_Kq96Bzls_I
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Looks like there will be no manual option for the 8.5:
https://www.carscoops.com/2023/06/vw-golf-including-gti-will-lose-manual-option-in-2024-report-claims/
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New article from today which suggests the 8.5 GTI launching next year will have mild hybrid power too. Also, seems like it's been delayed with the article quoting the facelift is launching in the second half of 2024.
More time to save up for it I guess!
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/2024-volkswagen-golf-mk85-no-manual-new-hybrids
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New article from today which suggests the 8.5 GTI launching next year will have mild hybrid power too. Also, seems like it's been delayed with the article quoting the facelift is launching in the second half of 2024.
More time to save up for it I guess!
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/2024-volkswagen-golf-mk85-no-manual-new-hybrids
Not only more time to save up, but (hopefully) more time for VW to ensure the software’s fit for purpose and glitch / gremlin-free, as it should’ve been when the mk8 was launched :whistle:.
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Like most things I don’t believe that article is *entirely* accurate. My friend who happens to be a VW salesman has received info direct from a VW dealer convention presentation in Germany that outlined the 8.5 Golfs and GTIs/Rs.
For the Performance Golfs, there was no mention of hybrid tech (GTE notwithstanding).
From memory, the following GTI/Clubsport info was mentioned:
- Buttons BACK on steering wheel
- Bigger screen a lá ID.7 with illuminated sliders and better graphics etc
- Meatier front grille in gloss black
- Slimmer headlights and illuminated VW badge. Sharper rear light detailing
- ‘Monza’ style diamond cut alloys like mk5 GTI
- Metal GTI badge on the door a lá new ID.4/5 GTX
- Seats were the same but ‘options’ are being discussed
- GTI gets more power, CS the same
- Akrapovic as part of CS performance pack
That’s about it from what I can remember. Typical VW facelift stuff really
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Hello Banksy GTI; did you friend happen to the know the expected UK price? would be interested if its not far north of 40K but guess its bound to be.
Then there's always the obligatory 18 month wait of course.......!
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New article from today which suggests the 8.5 GTI launching next year will have mild hybrid power too.
LOL like the Mk8 had?
They dropped the 24v hybrid GTI because it was too complicated/expensive. I'd say the same thing is even truer now with problems they haven't fixed with the Mk8 still and the end of ICE looming large.
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New article from today which suggests the 8.5 GTI launching next year will have mild hybrid power too.
LOL like the Mk8 had?
They dropped the 24v hybrid GTI because it was too complicated/expensive. I'd say the same thing is even truer now with problems they haven't fixed with the Mk8 still and the end of ICE looming large.
Although, if they were to make it as a mild hybrid, would it then mean it could be sold in some form or other until 2035?, as apposed to 2030 for a solely internal combustion engined car!
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I don't think they've defined just how many miles a hybrid has to be able to do on just electric power.. But fairly sure there will be a minimum under those new regs...
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I don't think they've defined just how many miles a hybrid has to be able to do on just electric power.. But fairly sure there will be a minimum under those new regs...
Good point, and a mild hybrid simply doesn’t run the car on electric power alone, so probably wouldn't be put in the same bracket as true hybrids, that would also mean it would be an unlikely feature of the 8.5 due to development costs, but who knows what the future holds, the date of the ICE ban seems to be up for debate anyway, if some news reports are to be believed!?
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Like most things I don’t believe that article is *entirely* accurate. My friend who happens to be a VW salesman has received info direct from a VW dealer convention presentation in Germany that outlined the 8.5 Golfs and GTIs/Rs.
For the Performance Golfs, there was no mention of hybrid tech (GTE notwithstanding).
From memory, the following GTI/Clubsport info was mentioned:
- Buttons BACK on steering wheel
- Bigger screen a lá ID.7 with illuminated sliders and better graphics etc
- Meatier front grille in gloss black
- Slimmer headlights and illuminated VW badge. Sharper rear light detailing
- ‘Monza’ style diamond cut alloys like mk5 GTI
- Metal GTI badge on the door a lá new ID.4/5 GTX
- Seats were the same but ‘options’ are being discussed
- GTI gets more power, CS the same
- Akrapovic as part of CS performance pack
That’s about it from what I can remember. Typical VW facelift stuff really
Do you think MK8 Facelift will be presented in Germany during the conference in a month ?
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Hello Banksy GTI; did you friend happen to the know the expected UK price? would be interested if its not far north of 40K but guess its bound to be.
Then there's always the obligatory 18 month wait of course.......!
Hi, no he didn’t unfortunately… the conference was in March of this year and some spec details were still being ironed out. All different nationalities were present so costing would be quite academic due to different market rates and taxes etc
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Thanks Banksy. Will be interested to see what it looks like but the price? I'd take a bet now that it will be 45-50K looking at what VW and other manufacturers seem to think is acceptable.
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Makes the £29K that I paid for my Mk7.5 look like the sale of the century.