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Title: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: oryx3dr on 27 December 2021, 21:48
Is it worth going from a standard Mk7 GTI with a few mods to a low mileage 7.5 PP?
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: Toppy on 27 December 2021, 22:34
Like most things it’s subjective but i did that and didn’t regret it at all. I did go from a manual to a DSG and i am not sure i would of changed to another manual at that point as my MK 7 was just 2 years old
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: Watts on 27 December 2021, 22:39
A good few upgrades in technology plus a decent increase in power but, it just depends on what you want. Perhaps the way to look at it is what don't you like about your MK7? And will that be fixed by changing and are you happy with what it'll cost to do it?
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: oryx3dr on 27 December 2021, 23:10
A good few upgrades in technology plus a decent increase in power but, it just depends on what you want. Perhaps the way to look at it is what don't you like about your MK7? And will that be fixed by changing and are you happy with what it'll cost to do it?

I'm at 53k now on my Mk7, it does have a Stage 1 and a CSS back box which I do love. I'm just wondering if it's really worth it for the diff, virtual dash and even the 7 speed tbh.
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: baka on 28 December 2021, 00:26
I think a lot of it will be down to your own taste and expectations.

I'd pay not to have a virtual dash, the new centre screen is nice, but that can be retrofitted pretty easily. And the diff, if you like to get on the power early out of corners and have it tighten your line, rather than understeer, I can highly recommend it.
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: Watts on 28 December 2021, 10:11
I'm at 53k now on my Mk7, it does have a Stage 1 and a CSS back box which I do love. I'm just wondering if it's really worth it for the diff, virtual dash and even the 7 speed tbh.

How about getting a proper mechanical lsd fitted? Sounds like you are happy with your car and just have that itch to do something. Iirc, TR Hamza had an lsd fitted to his MK7, have a look on youtube. He's got a project MK7 that he's modding, might give you a few ideas and help you scratch that itch....
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: willni on 28 December 2021, 11:09
You've a nice example, I wouldn't be trading up for a 7.5, really you're trading for the performance pack and the facelift bodykit since you've the 7.5 radio already.

Bigger brakes and a Quaife / Wavetrac LSD would cost you a whole lot less that upgrading.

That being said here's a very very tasty Clubsport, I'd happily sell my car for but too much effort.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202112050238295?postcode=bt275pr&sort=mileage&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&include-delivery-option=on&aggregatedTrim=GTI%20Clubsport%2040&radius=1500&model=Golf&advertising-location=at_cars&make=Volkswagen&page=1
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: oryx3dr on 28 December 2021, 14:22
I'm at 53k now on my Mk7, it does have a Stage 1 and a CSS back box which I do love. I'm just wondering if it's really worth it for the diff, virtual dash and even the 7 speed tbh.

How about getting a proper mechanical lsd fitted? Sounds like you are happy with your car and just have that itch to do something. Iirc, TR Hamza had an lsd fitted to his MK7, have a look on youtube. He's got a project MK7 that he's modding, might give you a few ideas and help you scratch that itch....

I have been following his build and tbh that's what's really swaying me toward keeping it. I think you're right, it's just that "itch" to have something new.
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: oryx3dr on 28 December 2021, 14:23
You've a nice example, I wouldn't be trading up for a 7.5, really you're trading for the performance pack and the facelift bodykit since you've the 7.5 radio already.

Bigger brakes and a Quaife / Wavetrac LSD would cost you a whole lot less that upgrading.

That being said here's a very very tasty Clubsport, I'd happily sell my car for but too much effort.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202112050238295?postcode=bt275pr&sort=mileage&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&include-delivery-option=on&aggregatedTrim=GTI%20Clubsport%2040&radius=1500&model=Golf&advertising-location=at_cars&make=Volkswagen&page=1

That Clubsport is very tempting but it's almost exactly the same as my current car, it does make me feel inspired to do a few more Clubsport retrofits however. Perhaps starting with that steering wheel  :laugh:
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: willni on 28 December 2021, 15:02
You've a nice example, I wouldn't be trading up for a 7.5, really you're trading for the performance pack and the facelift bodykit since you've the 7.5 radio already.

Bigger brakes and a Quaife / Wavetrac LSD would cost you a whole lot less that upgrading.

That being said here's a very very tasty Clubsport, I'd happily sell my car for but too much effort.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202112050238295?postcode=bt275pr&sort=mileage&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&include-delivery-option=on&aggregatedTrim=GTI%20Clubsport%2040&radius=1500&model=Golf&advertising-location=at_cars&make=Volkswagen&page=1

That Clubsport is very tempting but it's almost exactly the same as my current car, it does make me feel inspired to do a few more Clubsport retrofits however. Perhaps starting with that steering wheel  :laugh:

I just had my steering wheel redone, it makes a massive difference. Just makes the car feel newer!
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: oryx3dr on 28 December 2021, 16:34
You've a nice example, I wouldn't be trading up for a 7.5, really you're trading for the performance pack and the facelift bodykit since you've the 7.5 radio already.

Bigger brakes and a Quaife / Wavetrac LSD would cost you a whole lot less that upgrading.

That being said here's a very very tasty Clubsport, I'd happily sell my car for but too much effort.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202112050238295?postcode=bt275pr&sort=mileage&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&include-delivery-option=on&aggregatedTrim=GTI%20Clubsport%2040&radius=1500&model=Golf&advertising-location=at_cars&make=Volkswagen&page=1

That Clubsport is very tempting but it's almost exactly the same as my current car, it does make me feel inspired to do a few more Clubsport retrofits however. Perhaps starting with that steering wheel  :laugh:

I just had my steering wheel redone, it makes a massive difference. Just makes the car feel newer!

Yeah I had seen that, it looks amazing! How much did it cost? (If you don't mind me asking).
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: willni on 29 December 2021, 08:38
Yeah I had seen that, it looks amazing! How much did it cost? (If you don't mind me asking).

£175 + Postage then there's an exchange option for £100 deposit where they send you a wheel out so you can swap them same day.
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: oryx3dr on 29 December 2021, 11:39
Yeah I had seen that, it looks amazing! How much did it cost? (If you don't mind me asking).

£175 + Postage then there's an exchange option for £100 deposit where they send you a wheel out so you can swap them same day.

Wow, that is really good value for money tbh! I'm now so much more tempted than I was before! How did you find the installation?
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: Paul70 on 29 December 2021, 12:09
Regarding the interior, I would get the wheel re-trimmed Clubsport style and fit the MIB2.5 unit. I have done the latter and it looks great and goes well with the analogue dials.

Brake wise, the PP brakes are heavy things. Racingline stage 2 brakes are far lighter which improves handling and they feel great too, good modulation.
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: oryx3dr on 29 December 2021, 12:25
In your position I would stick with your car and improve the bits you don’t like as Watts said. Is your car DSG or Manual? The diff is a big job but the performance gain will be really noticeable, much more than the VAG diff. Regal quoted me £1750 for the diff, the bolts and the machining required to fit the diff, and that is without labour.

What rubber are you running, I would improve the rubber to improve traction. Engine mounts will significantly improve traction too, there’s a lot of movement with the standard mounts. 034 motorsports offer near OEM NVH but so much more control.

Increase negative camber will improve traction out of corners and improve steering feel too. Multiple options are available, CSS knuckles or camber top mounts.

Regarding the interior, I would get the wheel re-trimmed Clubsport style and fit the MIB2.5 unit. I have done the latter and it looks great and goes well with the analogue dials.

Brake wise, the PP brakes are heavy things. Racingline stage 2 brakes are far lighter which improves handling and they feel great too, good modulation.

I love all of these ideas, the only reason I want the PP brakes is just to keep it as relatively close to OEM as possible. I'm not overly bothered about having HUGE brakes as it's only running stage 1 and I don't intent to go any further so any additional stopping power is likely going to be a waste. With that said I'd rather spend that additional cost for the Racingline brakes on some lighter wheels which does someone contradict what I've just said but you get my point.

The steering wheel is definitely a must for me, the leather one now has lost that nice matte finish and no matter how many times or different ways I clean it, it just doesn't seem to want to come back.

Also the engine mounts are something I'm definitely looking into as I have heard really good things about them.
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: willni on 29 December 2021, 13:04
Yeah I had seen that, it looks amazing! How much did it cost? (If you don't mind me asking).

£175 + Postage then there's an exchange option for £100 deposit where they send you a wheel out so you can swap them same day.

Wow, that is really good value for money tbh! I'm now so much more tempted than I was before! How did you find the installation?

Yeah it was dead on, you have to remove the silver trim yourself though which is a long enough process. If you're near Aylesbury they can do it for you, if I were within an hour - 1h30 of them I'd make the drive instead.

With regard to the brake situation, big brakes are fine when driving on a track or pushing the car, but in stop start slow traffic they're a nightmare. But the way you're talking sounds like you want to reduce the overall unsprung weight of the car, which dynamically makes a massive difference throw in an Audi a3 / Clubsport s aluminium subframe and that's another 6kg lost.
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: oryx3dr on 29 December 2021, 13:58
Yeah I had seen that, it looks amazing! How much did it cost? (If you don't mind me asking).

£175 + Postage then there's an exchange option for £100 deposit where they send you a wheel out so you can swap them same day.

Wow, that is really good value for money tbh! I'm now so much more tempted than I was before! How did you find the installation?

Yeah it was dead on, you have to remove the silver trim yourself though which is a long enough process. If you're near Aylesbury they can do it for you, if I were within an hour - 1h30 of them I'd make the drive instead.

With regard to the brake situation, big brakes are fine when driving on a track or pushing the car, but in stop start slow traffic they're a nightmare. But the way you're talking sounds like you want to reduce the overall unsprung weight of the car, which dynamically makes a massive difference throw in an Audi a3 / Clubsport s aluminium subframe and that's another 6kg lost.

Sadly I'm a lot further north than they are so I'd have to do the exchange service but definitely something I'm going to do.

And yeah I'd rather save that weight through a nice set of wheels and if I do go down the PP brake route I'll throw on the CSS discs to keep the weight down.

The costs are adding up quickly  :grin:
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: Paul70 on 29 December 2021, 15:04
I love all of these ideas, the only reason I want the PP brakes is just to keep it as relatively close to OEM as possible. I'm not overly bothered about having HUGE brakes as it's only running stage 1 and I don't intent to go any further so any additional stopping power is likely going to be a waste. With that said I'd rather spend that additional cost for the Racingline brakes on some lighter wheels which does someone contradict what I've just said but you get my point.

The steering wheel is definitely a must for me, the leather one now has lost that nice matte finish and no matter how many times or different ways I clean it, it just doesn't seem to want to come back.

Also the engine mounts are something I'm definitely looking into as I have heard really good things about them.

That makes complete sense, lightweight wheels and good tyres are the most important, basically anything that rotates.

The Racingline stage 2 brake kit is not a track kit, it was designed for fast road and the discs are only 5 mm bigger than the PP ones. I think they look subtle but I know it’s subjective.


I may sell the Racingline brakes too, depends if I keep the ED40 or sell the ED45, one of them has to go and the decision is not an easy one for me.

Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: madstaff on 29 December 2021, 15:45
Focus on suspension, brakes, wheels and sticky tyres and you could have yourself a real weapon.

After all, how many folk (if there honest), make full use of the power of a standard GTI apart from short bursts.

Handling and stopping is where you'll gain most benefits.
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: oryx3dr on 29 December 2021, 17:56
Focus on suspension, brakes, wheels and sticky tyres and you could have yourself a real weapon.

After all, how many folk (if there honest), make full use of the power of a standard GTI apart from short bursts.

Handling and stopping is where you'll gain most benefits.

Got Goodyear F1s atm, working out pretty well but they'll be due to change in a few months so going to try the trusty PS4s.

Definitely want to do the upgraded shocks as well to go with my racingline springs.
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: golfdave on 29 December 2021, 20:45
The PP adds more weight due to the VAQ unit & more unsprung weight due to the "R" brakes which are 340mm front & 310mm?? vented rear...This is why VW tweaked the ECU software to give it more power to keep the same power/weight ratio as the basic GTI...


Yes its a "top spec", but in reality its useless as better lighter stuff can be retro fitted to your existing GTI.

Wavetrack LSD in the gearbox/transfer case....

Leave the rear brakes as they do very little work..

For the fronts retro fit either the Audi ATE 4 pot alu calipers (straight bolt on for MQB platform cars) & use 340mm discs (not the VW OEM CCS as they are not made correctly)..or you can use Porsche Macan brembo calipers & MK6 R32 345mm discs.

Stage 1 Revo tune in the 98RON option (super unleaded)....keeps the car as near to "stock" in terms of power delivery/feel.

Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: rwleigh on 30 December 2021, 15:18
(not the VW OEM CCS as they are not made correctly)

Please could you elaborate on this Dave, not heard this and see plenty of people fitting them.

Stage 1 Revo tune in the 98RON option (super unleaded)....keeps the car as near to "stock" in terms of power delivery/feel.

I have to agree with you there Sir, can't fault my Revo stage 1 tune. Nearly five years on mine now, no issues...
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: clubsport on 30 December 2021, 15:29
rwleigh, did you change the clutch when you went to Revo stage 1?
If not how many miles has it been Revo-ed?
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: rwleigh on 30 December 2021, 15:40
rwleigh, did you change the clutch when you went to Revo stage 1?
If not how many miles has it been Revo-ed?

No, all stock apart from the Revo stage 1. Currently on 30k miles and just had its fifth main dealer service with no issues.
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: clubsport on 30 December 2021, 16:07
rwleigh, did you change the clutch when you went to Revo stage 1?
If not how many miles has it been Revo-ed?

No, all stock apart from the Revo stage 1. Currently on 30k miles and just had its fifth main dealer service with no issues.

Impressive!..... I may save that modification, should I get bored with my own CS.... seems to go well enough as it is for now.
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: madstaff on 30 December 2021, 16:08
(not the VW OEM CCS as they are not made correctly)

Please could you elaborate on this Dave, not heard this and see plenty of people fitting them.



I think golfdave is probably referring to the fact CSS discs are not handed.
The drillings are opposed to the direction of rotation on the "wrong" side and so are the internal vanes between the disc faces IIRC.

(https://i.postimg.cc/tJ1YPLb8/FE341-DEB-64-E3-4-A5-B-A6-D6-0395-B7-CC2-F28-jpeg-25cb15cbb105c0d57fe9062649bde04f.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: clubsport on 30 December 2021, 16:28
The CSS discs are a bit of a half hearted attempt....you can have a seperate bell to aid cooling, but on the CSS they are still part of the disc...most track brake applications have a disc that can be replaced. seperated from the bell, as the disc gets hot heat is dissipated through the ali bell.

When the time comes to replace the front discs on my CS, I do not consider the CSS discs to be "enough" of an upgrade.
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: golfdave on 30 December 2021, 16:39
(not the VW OEM CCS as they are not made correctly)

Please could you elaborate on this Dave, not heard this and see plenty of people fitting them.

Stage 1 Revo tune in the 98RON option (super unleaded)....keeps the car as near to "stock" in terms of power delivery/feel.

I have to agree with you there Sir, can't fault my Revo stage 1 tune. Nearly five years on mine now, no issues...

As has been mentioned above the CSS discs are not "handed"....basically one cast is used for the left & right sides. This meaning the internal directional vanes are rotating the wrong way around for one of the discs causing it to get hotter than the one which rotates the correct way. There was an article on VW Driver mag about this when these came out.

Also the two piece disc is not a proper two piece disc as you cannot separate the bell from the discs & reuse the bell...
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: rwleigh on 30 December 2021, 17:41
Thanks for the info all, fancy them not being handed... How bad is that!

I couldn't have that on my car, would drive me mad looking at the wrong one.  :grin:
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: Exonian on 30 December 2021, 22:07
From memory, so don’t shoot me if I’m wrong, the T-Roc R has similar 340mm two piece discs to the CSS and TCR except they’re not drilled.
Lightweight bells mated to non-drilled discs.
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: madstaff on 30 December 2021, 22:41
From memory, so don’t shoot me if I’m wrong, the T-Roc R has similar 340mm two piece discs to the CSS and TCR except they’re not drilled.
Lightweight bells mated to non-drilled discs.

These, that i linked to in another thread??

Or these, basically Clubsport S non-drilled??  - https://www.vagbremtechnic.com/genuine-mqb-340x30mm-front-discs-semi-2-piece-plain-pair-5q0615301p/
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: Exonian on 30 December 2021, 23:19
:afro: that looks to be it madstaff
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: madstaff on 30 December 2021, 23:23
:afro: that looks to be it madstaff

Thought they were. 👍
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: golfdave on 31 December 2021, 09:08
From memory, so don’t shoot me if I’m wrong, the T-Roc R has similar 340mm two piece discs to the CSS and TCR except they’re not drilled.
Lightweight bells mated to non-drilled discs.

They are the same "blank" disc cast as used on the CSS.....so they'll still have the same problems!
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: oryx3dr on 31 December 2021, 12:03
The thing is though, for your average road use they'll probably never be a real problem I wouldn't have thought. Unless you're really pushing it on track then they might have issues.
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: clubsport on 31 December 2021, 12:21
The thing is though, for your average road use they'll probably never be a real problem I wouldn't have thought. Unless you're really pushing it on track then they might have issues.

I agree, but for many modifications are a way of life, badge of honour, even if they are not really necessary.... It's the owners car, so as long as the mods arelegal, why not.

If you take a standard car on track, the best modification you can do is upgrade the brake fluid from Dot 4 to Dot 5.
Once you get too much heat into the discs via the pads and calipers you can start to boil regular Dot 4, the Dot 5 has a higher boiling point. The boiling of fluid is apparent by a softer brake pedal and less braking efficiency.
The downside to Dot 5 is it is more hygroscopic (absords moisture), so the service interval is sooner and costs more than Dot4.

The other issue with heat is the less pad material you have remaining, the less effective this is at dissipating heat, so this adds to the potential problems.
A PP/R/Cs/CSS braking system with enough metal and compound on the pads should be fine on UK roads even with spirited driving, it's only when you get below, say, 25% remaining life, does the heat issue suddenly become more of a potential issue.

Of course there will be heroes out there who can ruin a set of discs and pads before they get to the end of their road? :)
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: baka on 31 December 2021, 14:30
Just to clarify, you mean DOT 5.1

DO NOT put DOT 5 brake fluid in your system, It's based on silicone, not ethylene glycol, and is completely incompatible.
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: clubsport on 31 December 2021, 15:26
Yes Dot 5.1 will mix with the standard fitment Dot4...
I have 2 cars running on Dot 5, whuich was opportune at the time of renewing brake systems.
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: madstaff on 31 December 2021, 15:40
Castrol SRF is the ultimate brake fluid with a dry boiling point around 320°c.

Not cheap at £50 a litre though.
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: oryx3dr on 19 January 2022, 18:45
Just wanting to try and restart a bit of conversation here but I've got the chance to buy a 5dr red TCR with some good options. Would that be a silly move in the current market or am I looking at a potential future classic?
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: Watts on 19 January 2022, 20:17
Only your man maths can decide if the cost to change is worth it. I've no idea if the TCR is a classic waiting in the wings or not but it is a very accomplished car and does so many things right. I miss a manual and TR, otherwise I'm very happy with the change from the PP.
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: oryx3dr on 19 January 2022, 20:58
Does your TCR have the performance pack on it or not? The one I'm looking at doesn't and I'm debating if it's really something I need or just something I want.
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: Watts on 19 January 2022, 21:04
Mine does but it's a nice to have not a must have. I'd go on the condition.
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: oryx3dr on 19 January 2022, 21:45
I must say if I do buy I am buying from a fair distance away but it's low mileage (sub 15k), it's got a few other nice options such as DCC, heated windscreen and rear cam. So I don't think the condition should be bad, there is one that is very similar but it has the PP + DCC but it's 1.5k more.
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: willni on 19 January 2022, 21:52
Just wanting to try and restart a bit of conversation here but I've got the chance to buy a 5dr red TCR with some good options. Would that be a silly move in the current market or am I looking at a potential future classic?

If you're thinking future classic you'll need to wait 20 years for prices to start to go up, it's been the same with all marks of golf so far.

If the TCR is a future classic, in my opinion the spec to have would be a 3 door and in the signature grey unique paint and last of the 3 door, but all configurations look great.

It's not silly to move in the current mark if you have something, worth something to sell the increases cancel each other out, but beware we are now on the price downturn again so in a year expect normal depreciation to resume.

Are there any with the Akrapovic exhaust in your price range around, I'd be on the hunt to try get one with that, if it were similar money.

My advice would be to go drive it, see if it's worth the price to change.
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: oryx3dr on 19 January 2022, 21:58
I can't stop having this internal battle with myself of keeping what I've got and changing for something else, I assume we all have this?

I feel like I've constantly got this itch that needs to be scratched but I worry that no matter what I have it's always going to be there. Maybe I'm just looking out of boredom, I really like the look but there's a bit part of me that wants to hold on for a MK8 CS although I'm just not willing to front a deposit which even though small at the time, if I change my mind I'll lose 40% of it for cancelling the order. Latest quote I had suggested an 11 month wait. Crazy numbers!

So it makes the TCR seem like an appealing option over the standard GTI I currently have, albeit with some mods.

I feel like I'm at a crossroads, do I keep ploughing money into mine, do I go for the TCR, do I go for something else entirely? Or do I do nothing.
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: mcmaddy on 19 January 2022, 23:29
Get the TCR it's way better than a standard and a pp GTi and an R. You definitely won't regret getting one.
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: Paul70 on 20 January 2022, 04:46
I can't stop having this internal battle with myself of keeping what I've got and changing for something else, I assume we all have this?

I feel like I've constantly got this itch that needs to be scratched but I worry that no matter what I have it's always going to be there. Maybe I'm just looking out of boredom, I really like the look but there's a bit part of me that wants to hold on for a MK8 CS although I'm just not willing to front a deposit which even though small at the time, if I change my mind I'll lose 40% of it for cancelling the order. Latest quote I had suggested an 11 month wait. Crazy numbers!

So it makes the TCR seem like an appealing option over the standard GTI I currently have, albeit with some mods.

I feel like I'm at a crossroads, do I keep ploughing money into mine, do I go for the TCR, do I go for something else entirely? Or do I do nothing.

Have you driven a TCR? The TCR is a great car and a fantastic base for some subtle mods if you want to continue tinkering and personalising your car. I would personally go this route rather than do a TR HAMZA project build on your current car unless you wanted to do track days then modifying your current car would be the best option imo ie proper diff etc. What do you want from your car?
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: Philip on 20 January 2022, 06:43
The TCR is a significant step up in performance from a PP and a far more involving drive than an R so best of both worlds unless the traffic light grand prix is a consideration.  Aside from the Clubsport S, which really wasn't entirely suited to being a daily for most people, I'd personally say that the TCR was and will remain peak GTI.
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: oryx3dr on 20 January 2022, 08:44
Okay I think I’ve been swayed. I’m still unsure if I should hold on for one with the performance pack or not? But either way I think it’s a good progression from a standard GTI, arguably just as good as a new Mk8 CS and looks pretty good value even in the current market.
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: Philip on 20 January 2022, 10:56
DCC is the big benefit of the performance pack so if the non-PP car has this fitted as an option then I wouldn't worry about searching out a PP.  Just to tip you over the edge, here's tornado red, oryx white and pure grey TCR's in the same place - not a sight you're likely to see twice.
 
(https://i.postimg.cc/xdNFQjPv/candm1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/rdc9Ck3s)
Title: Re: Worthy upgrade?
Post by: oryx3dr on 20 January 2022, 12:44
DCC is the big benefit of the performance pack so if the non-PP car has this fitted as an option then I wouldn't worry about searching out a PP.  Just to tip you over the edge, here's tornado red, oryx white and pure grey TCR's in the same place - not a sight you're likely to see twice.
 
(https://i.postimg.cc/xdNFQjPv/candm1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/rdc9Ck3s)

Yeah that makes sense. The one I’ve seen with it the salesman doesn’t want to offer any kind of incentives whereas the other has been much easier to deal with so with you saying it’s not a must have that definitely helps. The other does have DCC which is a huge benefit for me.