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Model specific boards => Golf mk8 => Topic started by: monkeyhanger on 11 August 2021, 14:26
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Hi everyone. Still loving the ID3 and an £18pm fuel bill between 2 cars.. :whistle:
Anyway, there's not much OBD11 action on the ID3, everyone with the first software iterations had a poke around and were scared to alter anything. I decided to have a poke around today as i'm on 2.1 rather than 1 which had all the issues (similar to the MK8 Golf presumably).
My pet hate is lane assist. The twitch of the steering wheel back towards a parked car that you've gone wide to drive past is really unnerving, and if you can't keep within a lane then you really need to put the F'n phone down and stop texting on the move! I found a setting within the assistance systems module to make the car remember last setting, rather than the car putting it back on every ignition cycle by default - and it works.
Anyone here done any MK8 tweaks yet? Presumably they're on broadly similar module architecture so what works on one should work for the other?
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That sounds interesting.... I thought the lane assist setting was in the SFD protected bit - or at least on the Golf. What did you set?
The only thing I've done is turn on the exit warning system, which is disabled on my GTI for some reason - the later ones its not.
Much of what you will want to tweak however will be in the SFD protected controllers...
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After a kick up the derrière from Massimo a few months ago I dug out my trusty old VCDS cable to confirm the expected - it was too old to work with the mk8 generation ECUs.
I must get round to eBaying the thing one day as it’s the old unlimited VIN cables.
I’d not seen anything mentioned on here to inspire me to purchase a more up to date cable.
Good to hear you’re still enjoying the ID MH. Have you done your old marker post performance test as a comparison to your old GTD and R yet?
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That sounds interesting.... I thought the lane assist setting was in the SFD protected bit - or at least on the Golf. What did you set?
The only thing I've done is turn on the exit warning system, which is disabled on my GTI for some reason - the later ones its not.
Much of what you will want to tweak however will be in the SFD protected controllers...
Just pulled from my post on the EV forum:-
How to have lane assist remember what it was last set to e.g. leave it off unless you want it on:-
Control Unit>A5 Assistance systems>configuration for lane departure warning>change "active" to "last setting" then ok>press and hold green tick to save it.
The mirror settings is on a toggle switch that cycles a light to each setting, but annoyingly, the car always forgets you left it on "L" last ignition cycle, so you have to remember to put it to L every journey if you want mirror dip on reverse ' is the MK8 like that or is there a physical switch like MK7 and everything before where you can see it physically set to L?
Anyway, it's annoying it forgets L for mirror dip. There are 3 settings in drivers door controller that look as though they would either make mirror dip on reverse or make the car remember last mirror settings:-
1 = memory mirror
2 = mirror lowering with rear gear
3 = position memory with rear gear
Neither one on its own or a combination of 2 or 3 of them seem to work.
There was a rumour that the difference between those with 2 zone climate and those with 1 zone is purely software on the ID3. Our Life has 1 zone and our Family spec has 2 zone. Set Life up as Family in aircon controller and still operating as 1 zone.
Activating travel assist asks for a 5 digit code.
My biggest annoyance - lane assist coming back every ignition cycle, is resolved, so that's a win for me.
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Good to hear you’re still enjoying the ID MH. Have you done your old marker post performance test as a comparison to your old GTD and R yet?
Haven't done the marker test yet, I'm hardly ever up that way since some bright spark decided to remove the roundabout that allowed traffic to flow freely and replace it with a cross roads that makes my turn in a 3 minute wait on the lights cycle - genius!
My expectations are that it'll be somewhere between my old GTD and the Polo GTI. I'd say it's marginally slower than the Polo on a rolling start,but would kill it from a standstill (no tramping and phenomenal 0-30mph acceleration, like most EVs. The instant torque at any time (never in the wrong gear) is great, even if there's faster cars on the road
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The mirror switch on the mk8 is an actual switch... One of the few!
I'll have a look at the lane assist tweak tommor. I don't think it will work but...
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The mirror switch on the mk8 is an actual switch... One of the few!
I'll have a look at the lane assist tweak tommor. I don't think it will work but...
After the tweak, don't forget to actually turn lane assist off to see if it stays off.
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My dad is collecting a Mk4 Octy VRS Monday and one of the items listed on there was making the lane assist remember it’s settings. I know it will be set on my mk8 R when I get it. I upgraded my VCDS to one of the newer HEXNET wireless unlimited dongles as my old HEXCAN USB didn’t fully work with my 7.5 R 2019. It does the same as it used to except the firmware in the dongle can be changed. So far there is a VCDS beta out to access the SFP modules if you have a token. Just where do we get the tokens?
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The tokens...you need to generate one from the vw geko system.
Basically you can't.
Read my post about sfd on here for more information...
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The tokens...you need to generate one from the vw geko system.
Basically you can't.
Read my post about sfd on here for more information...
I'm surprised this approach doesn't bring VW under scrutiny for anti-competition/consumer EU regulations. Once these cars go out of warranty, if you have need of a repair that's software based, you'll be at the mercy of the dealerships rather than going to your local independent VAG specialist garage. I thought the EU would be all over that.
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The instant torque at any time (never in the wrong gear) is great, even if there's faster cars on the road
Whatever you drive there’s always some nutter faster than you!
In today’s road conditions it’s more about what little tactile satisfaction is left from overly sanitised but increasingly sophisticated machines. I’m quite looking forward to going EV in a few years. I’d quite like to take an ID on for a few days shakedown if VW do a 24 or 48 hour test drive promo at some point.
Anyway, back on topic, I can’t think of too many things I’d want to change with VCDS so haven’t used my cable in years, I didn’t even attempt any changes on my TCR. Things have moved on since the mk6 days where there were so many ‘hidden’ activations you could perform. Most of the current gen cars have menus to activate those little tweaks anyway. The challenges left are probably more pro level where an incompetent amateur like myself would be out of my depth.
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The tokens...you need to generate one from the vw geko system.
Basically you can't.
Read my post about sfd on here for more information...
I'm surprised this approach doesn't bring VW under scrutiny for anti-competition/consumer EU regulations. Once these cars go out of warranty, if you have need of a repair that's software based, you'll be at the mercy of the dealerships rather than going to your local independent VAG specialist garage. I thought the EU would be all over that.
Actually, quite the reverse... its because of EU regulation EU858 / 2018, which came into force in September 2020.
I wrote a whole load of stuff about SFD on here when I first encountered it...
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The lane assist deactivation/memory is something that would greatly interest me for my CS so hopefully I can find someone with a cable who I can buy a beer for to try it for me, if it's confirmed it can be done on the Mk8.
Other things I would like to know about are:
Stop/start deactivation (adjusting the voltage like offer cars) or a memory seeing to remember period journey
Aircon synch on/off, default to on our mirror previous journey
If anyone knows about any of these I'd be very grateful for info on.
Thanks all in advance
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The things you can't tamper with without a SFD token are:
09 - Electronic central electrics
15 - airbag
17 - dash panel insert
19 - Diagnostic interface for data bus
23 - brake booster
4B - multifunction controller
5F - information electronics 1
75 - Emergency module and communication unit
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Aircon synch on/off, default to on our mirror previous journey
Is this not software version related? Mine doesn't Sync it annoys the hoop out of me but other drivers with later software (1668 compared to my 1666) appear not to have this issue
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Aircon synch on/off, default to on our mirror previous journey
Is this not software version related? Mine doesn't Sync it annoys the hoop out of me but other drivers with later software (1668 compared to my 1666) appear not to have this issue
I am on 1664 and have no issues, to fix a fault they don’t have to upgrade all of the software eg...1666 to 1668 just the faulty bits,trick is that the tech needs to know how to do it,guess I got lucky as I’ve had no faults for 7 months since they updated the bits needed.
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Aircon synch on/off, default to on our mirror previous journey
Is this not software version related? Mine doesn't Sync it annoys the hoop out of me but other drivers with later software (1668 compared to my 1666) appear not to have this issue
I am on V1666 and it currently defaults to synch off, but wanting it to default to synch on. Are you saying that V1668 changes this do that it defaults to synch on? If so roll on Tuesday when the car should be upped to V1668
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1668 doesn't fix the clime sync... I have it...
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1668 doesn't fix the clime sync... I have it...
Same here, going from 1666 to 1668 didn’t fix.
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I've finally got around to trying the lane assist tweak.
Seems to have worked... At start up it's set however you previously set it. No more pre flight checklist!
Hurrah!
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I've finally got around to trying the lane assist tweak.
Seems to have worked... At start up it's set however you previously set it. No more pre flight checklist!
Hurrah!
Can you post it message me with how you did it and what you used please, I need find someone to do it, or buy whatever you used also.
Have you found any way to do the AC synch too by any change?
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Monkey posted it on page one of this thread.
https://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=287994.msg2642215#msg2642215
I used obd11 to do it.
I'm going to see if the ac sync can be set.
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Monkey posted it on page one of this thread.
https://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=287994.msg2642215#msg2642215
I used obd11 to do it.
I'm going to see if the ac sync can be set.
Do you have a link to the OBD11 device you have, looked on Amazon and there are several available and I know nothing about them so don't want to get the wrong thing. I always thought this was a diagnostic only thing.
Cheers
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It's just the original one. You only need the newer one if you are using an iPhone.
And yes, it's capable of changing stuff, very much so. Some things on the mk8 are protected though and not changeable by mere mortals...and never will be.
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Just pulled from my post on the EV forum:-
How to have lane assist remember what it was last set to e.g. leave it off unless you want it on:-
Control Unit>A5 Assistance systems>configuration for lane departure warning>change "active" to "last setting" then ok>press and hold green tick to save it.
My biggest annoyance - lane assist coming back every ignition cycle, is resolved, so that's a win for me.
I have tried that in OBDEleven (new version of box, latest version of app) on my Alltrack (May 2021) and apart from the names of the controls being different, when I try and confirm the change to Last Setting I get an error message saying Function Disabled.
Very frustrating as this is a big deal for me - Lane Assist is literally the work of the devil and is actively dangerous on country lanes.
I will go and try it again and give a detailed description of the control names and the process you go through on my car.
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Well, that's very odd! This time it worked, and I don't know why as I don't think anything had changed.
Anyway, here is exactly what I did:
Go to A5 Driver Assistance->Long Coding->Configuration for lane departure warning KI15->change to Last Setting
Then drag the green blob across to write the change and it was successful.
Switching off and restarting with Lane Assist disabled has proved that the setting has been changed correctly.
I also changed 'Lane Assist System Mode' to 'Steering Wheel Vibration not active', just to be sure. Hopefully I will no longer find the steering wheel trying to tug me towards oncoming vehicles on narrow country roads!!!
There were two other things I discovered while browsing through other items which I found fascinating - in control unit 22 - AWD there is a setting for 'Diff Lock' which was set to Not Installed. I don't know if this refers to the mechanical diff lock (VAQ) or the electronic diff lock (XDS), but on the Alltrack the XDS should be installed. I wonder if this setting is incorrect for my car, as I have to say that I have previously suspected that it is not active because I find in fast tight cornering I don't get the feeling of the front end actively stopping the understeer like I did with my previous Octavia 4x4. If anything the opposite. I have set this to 'Installed' and it will be interesting to see if it makes a difference.
Also in 44 Steering Assistance there is a setting for 'All Wheel Drive (AWD)' and that also was set to 'Not Installed'. Once again I have successfully changed this to 'Installed' so it will be fascinating to see if I can feel any difference. I know that one shouldn't really change two things at once, but I can always change one back and see what the effect is then.
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Hope there will be a a way to switch the front light bar off and for Scandinavian rear drls
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You can set rear drl if you want but it's considered less safe.... Which is why UK cars don't have it enabled.
The light bar you can't tinker with.
If you really want that to go you'll see some sort of plug in device to fake it working and disconnect it. Such a device doesn't exist yet AFAIK.
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Monkey posted it on page one of this thread.
https://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=287994.msg2642215#msg2642215
I used obd11 to do it.
I'm going to see if the ac sync can be set.
Any luck with the AC synch at all mate?
I've ordered my OBD11 thingy and just waiting for delivery.
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No, the sync isn't a system setting, it's just an operational one, like the temperature...
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Hope there will be a a way to switch the front light bar off and for Scandinavian rear drls
Cant for the life of me remember the video but this lad was able to turn off the front light bar after messing with the light controls alone.
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It's just the original one. You only need the newer one if you are using an iPhone.
And yes, it's capable of changing stuff, very much so. Some things on the mk8 are protected though and not changeable by mere mortals...and never will be.
Hi mate, got my OBD11 so tried adjusting the setting just now and it appears I cannot do it, might be due to being in the wrong side of the Android/Apple fence, but it's called something different 'Switch-on condition, lane depart. warn.' and days I need to be Pro or ultimate to adjust. Are you Pro or ultimate or just standard?
I might need to try find someone with an Android phone I can try their phone/app with.
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In the past you only needed to pay for the licence... Its changed I guess. I know they tweaked the licence levels recently.
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My licence is labelled "Pro"
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My licence is labelled "Pro"
Cheers, makes sense now. A pro licence is only £25 so won't really break the bank.
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Fred, is there any chance that switching the Lane Assist to default off can affect warranty or be a problem for someone on a lease deal, for example? I would like to do it off but don't want to run into any issues in the event of a warranty claim.
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It's reversible whenever you want so it's not exactly a problem. They wouldn't notice any way.
I sent one of my lease cars back with a hole in the aircon condenser and they didn't notice that!
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My licence is labelled "Pro"
So this is annoying, I upgraded to Pro and on Apple I still don't see an option to change the setting, so I tried my father's Android and when I go into the lane assist seeing it's asking for a 5 digit number. A Google search hadn't brought any answers, did you need to enter a passcode at all or not?
I'm not having much luck so might try sending the thing back as clearly doesn't do what is meant to do.
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More features work on Android than they do on Apple. Likely nothing wrong with the OBD11 you have.
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More features work on Android than they do on Apple. Likely nothing wrong with the OBD11 you have.
That's handy to know.
So if I can use an Android phone again, when I'm trying to change the setting and it asks for a 5 digit number, any ideas what I enter here? Is there a default number to use or something?
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More features work on Android than they do on Apple. Likely nothing wrong with the OBD11 you have.
That's handy to know.
So if I can use an Android phone again, when I'm trying to change the setting and it asks for a 5 digit number, any ideas what I enter here? Is there a default number to use or something?
For that 5 digit code, try 20103. It was suggested to me when trying to activate travel assist on my ID3 and I needed a code input. That code was accepted.
What are you trying to change that needs a code?
Travel assist doesn't seem to have worked, purely from the point that I have no means to switch it on via the steering wheel buttons. The bottom right button on the left hand set of buttons is where the travel assist would be. If you shine a pen torch on the area you can see the markings are there but unlit. I'm guessing I need to have a look at the steering wheel/column module to activate the button.
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Wow, Zombie thread resurrection.
I'm amazed this doesn't get more attention from people wanting to turn off the Kamikaze mode (lane assist).
Anyway, looks like both the Golf and A3/S3 have a throttle response adjustment for OBD11 (looking at the apps rather than coding) - just wondered whether anyone had made that change and did it make a difference, or are the performance models already set to "Responsive" rather than "standard" by default.
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I might take a look at this, although I’ve not been brave enough to plug my OBD11 in since the new infotainment unit was fitted and software updated 😏. I still need to turn of Lane Assist, so I might put my big boy trousers on this weekend.
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I might take a look at this, although I’ve not been brave enough to plug my OBD11 in since the new infotainment unit was fitted and software updated 😏. I still need to turn of Lane Assist, so I might put my big boy trousers on this weekend.
I'll give it a look too. I suspect it activates the throttle response that you see in "Sport", "Race", or on my case for the S3 "Dynamic" in all drive modes without the DSG box reverting to "S mode to hang on to the lower gears.
I was hoping to find someone that knew where it was without me having to blow 50 credits on the app now that you have to buy them. I'll have a poke around for it and see if I can find it without resorting to the app and report back.
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Well I did the deed. Went what seemed to be the correct long coding route and it didn't take, so went on the app and spent 10 credits (could've sworn it was 50 credits last time I looked). Only been out to do the school run since, but pick up of 1st gear from a standstill without a huge amount to throttle seemed far more eager. Once moving, throttle response seemed sharper, not startlingly so.
Given the app only cost 10 credits, the method of long coding must be simple to implement if you know where you're looking.
Also activated the RS3 tail lights dance on unlocking - very snazzy.
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Wow, Zombie thread resurrection.
I'm amazed this doesn't get more attention from people wanting to turn off the Kamikaze mode (lane assist).
Anyway, looks like both the Golf and A3/S3 have a throttle response adjustment for OBD11 (looking at the apps rather than coding) - just wondered whether anyone had made that change and did it make a difference, or are the performance models already set to "Responsive" rather than "standard" by default.
I used obd11 some while back- to change throttle response from standard to “ responsive “
I have a manual 7.5.
If I remember correctly, it did make a difference- I liked it.
I think it made the throttle more responsive than “ sport “ but the difference was subtle ( and I’ve been wrong on this before!)
Don’t think it cost me 50 credits- I think it was 10?
Anyway, I haven’t touched it since
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@monkeyhanger- looks like we posted simultaneously- and your experience similar to mine.
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Definitely pleased I did it, jumping in the car and not cycling settings, it defaults to comfort settings, regardless of the mode the car says its in. To have "Dynamic" throttle response without having the car hold on to low gears in "S" gearbox mode seems a good result to me. I'm presuming cycling into "Dynamic" mode will see no further benefits.
The way the car seems to be running now, I no longer need to knock the gearbox into S mode to get out of a side street onto a busy main road with confidence.