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Model specific boards => Golf mk8 => Topic started by: davo245 on 01 July 2021, 09:00
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Has anyone made the swop as above how do they compare obviously clubsport is quicker but is it worth the upgrade?
General changes to every day driving etc interior changes?
Anyone made the change and thought should of kept the mk7.5 performance DSG
Also general mpg and motorway and b road figures is it much different (According to official mpg figures it's not !)
I am considering the swop but do a about 15k a year so would like some feedback from anyone who has done this change if anyone can offer any input would be appreciated :smiley:
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I haven't had the CS long enough for any mpg analysis but I'd say about 42mpg for motorway and 36-38 for B roads is what I've been getting for the first 1,000 miles. Obviously depends how you drive and I'm no boy racer by any means, but I do like an occasional short blast.
Software problems seem to be the main gripe, but I've been relatively OK and not had any real issues.
I had a 7.5 GTE and the CS is a whole lot more fun!
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I haven't had the CS long enough for any mpg analysis but I'd say about 42mpg for motorway and 36-38 for B roads is what I've been getting for the first 1,000 miles. Obviously depends how you drive and I'm no boy racer by any means, but I do like an occasional short blast.
Software problems seem to be the main gripe, but I've been relatively OK and not had any real issues.
I had a 7.5 GTE and the CS is a whole lot more fun!
Thanks for the info how are you getting on with lack of buttons chaotic steering wheel buttons etc ? What software issues have you had?
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I'll assume the "chaotic steering wheel" is a Freudian slip by your spellcheck and you mean Haptic. :rolleyes:
The lack of buttons isn't a problem at all and as you have a 7.5 GTi you'll be familiar with the steering wheel buttons, they may look different but they work the same! It amuses me when people say you have to go through several screens to turn the radio down/change the temperature/etc as they are easily done on the wheel or by voice.
Only had the car for 2 weeks but it once logged me out of my profile, as I was driving along, and I had to re-input my sat nav destination. Other than that nothing, but my car is on relatively recent software (last but one version) and I'm sure things will improve. I actually like the look without buttons to be honest. :smiley:
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I’m a 7.5 Performance to Club sport swapee!!! I’ve only had the car two weeks and done around 400 miles so far so very much still in its running in stage. The difference isn’t night and day but it is significant. It feels quicker and that’s only running it up to 3000 rpm so far the mid range is something else you can make really swift progress. It’s not as noisy as the 7.5 in the cabin but makes more noise if you venture into sport mode with overrun pops. The cabin quality is a step down in my view the plastics aren’t as good quality, the seating is great and I prefer Arts velour to the tartan personally. Now I’ve got it I also prefer the looks to Mk8 too the rear 3/4 view looks great with the spoiler and exhausts.
You mention issues. I’m on a B hardware (last of the B hardware builds) with 1666 software. The temps don’t sync and the keyless locking doesn’t always play ball and other than that no other issues (touch wood)
I’ve posted some other good and bad points in the gallery along with some pics
https://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=287874.0 (https://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=287874.0)
Mpg wise I’m averaging 36-37 so far when I run it at between 70-80 on the motorway the journey average is 40-43 so pretty good I suspect it will be as good if not slightl better than my 7.5 which averaged just under 35mpg over the last twelve months
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I’m a 7.5 Performance to Club sport swapee!!! I’ve only had the car two weeks and done around 400 miles so far so very much still in its running in stage. The difference isn’t night and day but it is significant. It feels quicker and that’s only running it up to 3000 rpm so far the mid range is something else you can make really swift progress. It’s not as noisy as the 7.5 in the cabin but makes more noise if you venture into sport mode with overrun pops. The cabin quality is a step down in my view the plastics aren’t as good quality, the seating is great and I prefer Arts velour to the tartan personally. Now I’ve got it I also prefer the looks to Mk8 too the rear 3/4 view looks great with the spoiler and exhausts.
You mention issues. I’m on a B hardware (last of the B hardware builds) with 1666 software. The temps don’t sync and the keyless locking doesn’t always play ball and other than that no other issues (touch wood)
I’ve posted some other good and bad points in the gallery along with some pics
https://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=287874.0 (https://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=287874.0)
Mpg wise I’m averaging 36-37 so far when I run it at between 70-80 on the motorway the journey average is 40-43 so pretty good I suspect it will be as good if not slightl better than my 7.5 which averaged just under 35mpg over the last twelve months
Thanks for the info very helpful surprising its average mg is better with more power I do 15000 miles a year in my 7.5 gti performance long term average is about 39 mostly motorway b roads some town .
Yours looks great shame tornado red Is stii not an option loved my mk6 in red.
Keep us updated when run in :smiley:
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So was mine :smiley:
(https://i.postimg.cc/GtR6vpJP/IMG-4575.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gXMMWm7r)
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So was mine :smiley:
(https://i.postimg.cc/GtR6vpJP/IMG-4575.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gXMMWm7r)
I'd wanted ATlantic Blue on my first Mk4, its only taken me 4 Golfs and 7 more cars to get one!!! :grin:
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So was mine :smiley:
(https://i.postimg.cc/GtR6vpJP/IMG-4575.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gXMMWm7r)
I'd wanted ATlantic Blue on my first Mk4, its only taken me 4 Golfs and 7 more cars to get one!!! :grin:
Great is that when I ordered mine it was with red or issac but went with issac do love the colour slot but always wonder if I should of had another red one instead :grin:
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Isaac blue is a lovely colour too
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The lack of buttons isn't a problem at all and as you have a 7.5 GTi you'll be familiar with the steering wheel buttons, they may look different but they work the same! It amuses me when people say you have to go through several screens to turn the radio down/change the temperature/etc as they are easily done on the wheel or by voice.
I was speaking with a mechanic at one of the other VAG dealerships, as they mentioned the lack of dials and move toward slider scales have actually hurt sales for their brand.
The mk8 is a fantastic looking car IMO, but the interior is a real let down for me, especially since the mk7/7.5 had a great interior for ergonomics. I think the facelift for the mk8 will remedy all this though and it will improve a lot of the issues.
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I must admit I was nervous about not having a dial and using it on the move but it is actually fairly easy to use and the haptics and sliders actually also work really well. Granted there are times when I make an incorrect swipe or bring up a menu I didn’t mean too but I’ve really got used to it. Sadly this is the way a lot of manufacturers are going to a greater or lesser extent.
My biggest bug bear is the sound settings menu the bass treble and mods are quite difficult to position just as I’d like so I end up with it with either far too much or too little of each trying to hit the sweet spot. Standard sounds system is actually pretty good too though to be fair
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I must admit I was nervous about not having a dial and using it on the move but it is actually fairly easy to use and the haptics and sliders actually also work really well. Granted there are times when I make an incorrect swipe or bring up a menu I didn’t mean too but I’ve really got used to it. Sadly this is the way a lot of manufacturers are going to a greater or lesser extent.
My biggest bug bear is the sound settings menu the bass treble and mods are quite difficult to position just as I’d like so I end up with it with either far too much or too little of each trying to hit the sweet spot. Standard sounds system is actually pretty good too though to be fair
Glad to hear you're not having many issues with it, maybe it's just a learning curve we all need to take.
It's a shame they didn't go the BMW route a row of buttons for climate and a volume knob, with the option of using the touch screen and steering wheel, they're probably the best blend of old and new design I've seen first hand but BMW's do often have a very conservative interior design versus the more contemporary VAG group's.
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I must admit I was nervous about not having a dial and using it on the move but it is actually fairly easy to use and the haptics and sliders actually also work really well. Granted there are times when I make an incorrect swipe or bring up a menu I didn’t mean too but I’ve really got used to it. Sadly this is the way a lot of manufacturers are going to a greater or lesser extent.
My biggest bug bear is the sound settings menu the bass treble and mods are quite difficult to position just as I’d like so I end up with it with either far too much or too little of each trying to hit the sweet spot. Standard sounds system is actually pretty good too though to be fair
This is a legit con with the infotainment, yet not one I have seen anyone else mention. Much more of a valid point than the myriad of ESC and volume/temp sliders complaints.
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I don’t have an issues with turning off ESC there is a short cut i can add and in the real world that’s not that much of a concern it’s the little things like adjust sound settings. Even on the 7.5 that wasn’t done with a knob but the sliders on the screen were bigger and easier to adjust, it’s the every day little things like that that are harder to adjust to!
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I have just gone from a Mk7.5 R to a Mk8 Clubsport, but there’s a story behind it;
I had only bought my R last September and loved it but in April this year I was T-boned by another motorist who had gone through a crossroads without looking, my Golf R was repaired by VW, it took x 3 months and cost the other insurer 14k and to be fair VW did a fantastic job but I never felt comfortable keeping the car afterwards so was reluctantly looking at alternatives.....
I had originally intended to get the new Mk8 R but the their high prices combined with lack of availability led me to test drive a Mk 8 Clubsport at my local VW dealer. I was blown away by how well it drove and actually test drove it three times before deciding although it was a tough decision to part with the R.
Prices for the 7.5R have gone bonkers recently as everyone knows and even post accident I was offered far more than I paid for it from the VW dealer, combined with a significant discount on the Clubsport.
So to cut a long story short I bought a brand new VW Mk8 Clubsport from a Surrey VW dealer just last week, it was from their showroom in Reflex Silver Metallic, the rear view camera was added by them otherwise basic spec with the 18” Richmond alloys - which I actually like, I think I’m the only one who does from what I read on here, my R 7.5 had 19” Black Prets.
I am still running in my Clubsport but so far I really love it, I was slightly underwhelmed the day I collected it and it was hard handing over the keys to my R but every day since as I get used to the looks, interior and controls I am liking it more and more and have no doubt I made the right decision. I have spent a lot of time getting used to the infotainment system and in my humble opinion people shouldn’t worry so much about it - it’s actually very good once you get used to it, no where near as bad as people make out on the reviews. I was however annoyed VW had got rid of both the sunglasses holder and convenient cubby hole by the drivers door but otherwise all good. I am already noticing the better fuel economy, ride quality on the 18” wheels feels about the same as my R did on 19” wheels, much better feel to the steering and the IQ lights are impressive and the blind spot indicators are a useful addition.
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I wouldn’t ever recommend anyone changing from a late model mk7(.5) performance Golf to a mk8 unless the end of a finance agreement is looming on the former or the prospective mk8’er feels like doing it just for the hell of it.
At the risk of being Roger Irrelevant here as I’ve never even driven a 7.5 GTI Performance, I have at least owned a mk7 PP, R, GTD, Ed40 and TCR before ‘graduating’ to a mk8 Clubsport.
The two models are similar enough underneath obviously, but there are enough detail differences between them that do create a gulf between the generations of MQB Golf.
Styling is personal but to me the 7.5 looks way better from the front. Way way better.
From the rear the mk8 reigns it back in a bit.
From the side? Well, spoilers aside it’s the same car! A few creases and details differ but….
Inside the cabins it’s been discussed to death so not worth reiterating too much.
The mk8 haptics take a bit of getting used to but it’s ok once you familiarise. The mk7 feels much better quality and more ‘traditional’.
The mk8 reflects where almost every manufacturer is heading as far as digi-displays and ‘one pad equals half a dozen buttons’ switchgear goes. I doubt there’s any going back now, they want us in ID models.
Driving. Day to day the 8 Clubsport drives like a Golf GTI. Comfy enough, economical enough, taut enough and so on. Familiar. Reassuring. Nice.
Then you get a day like I had yesterday. A few long busy crappy weeks on the bounce blown away in one trip out. A dawn blast on country roads, nothing too fast, just real life point to point quick.
One of those journeys where you had no intention of doing anything other than pootling along, but from the off the car itself seemed to want you to take it by the scruff.
There are trips like that where you realise there is a point to cars like the Clubsport still.
The engine is more responsive than the mk7 even if you don’t use high revs, the gearbox will perform ok even in comfort with the right amount of throttle input and some paddle use, the brakes are superb and that chassis…
The mk7 chassis is excellent, the TCR chassis even better, but the Clubsport does actually feel even more polished than the latter. Just.
I can remember is Arcade Fire’s Wake Up on the playlist and the car just stringing together endless A/B road bends, not needing to touch the brakes once. I was surprised at the amount of ground covered in the duration of one song without even breaking the National speed limit. It’s those chassis tweaks that make the Clubsport feel special.
And then a few hours later the car was just being a normal Golf again, taking a load of rubbish to the tip in comfort.
On the right road, under the right conditions the Clubsport does drive significantly differently to a regular 7(.5) GTI PP. it’s more urgent (engine, gearing, steering turn-in) and has more composure at high cornering loads (and you don’t have to be doing Nurburgring speeds to appreciate it).
Whether it’s worth the ££££ to change is an individual choice.
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it was from their showroom in Reflex Silver Metallic, the rear view camera was added by them otherwise basic spec with the 18” Richmond alloys - which I actually like, I think I’m the only one who does from what I read on here,
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I also like 18” Richmond alloys after 2 month i even get compliments from non car crazy people at my work. :shocked:
it works with some colours like my white GTI although i am still on the look for some original 19s if price right.
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My 2020 GTI Performance hopefully gets sold today for £3000 more than I payed for it and a reserved Clubsport will be mine, I love my 7.5 golf and if I’m making the right decision well time will tell
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My 2020 GTI Performance hopefully gets sold today for £3000 more than I payed for it and a reserved Clubsport will be mine, I love my 7.5 golf and if I’m making the right decision well time will tell
If I had a late date 2020 mk7.5 Golf GTI Performance that’s only a few months old and it was a car I really liked, I think I’d have hung on to it. However, with used car values bucking the usual trend at the moment - and in some cases, by significant amounts - keeping or selling is currently a much less straightforward decision, especially if you’ve located a replacement car (presumably one that’s already built and is at a dealers?) and aren’t faced with very long wait times for a new car to be built like some other forum members.
Good luck with the mk8 GTI Clubsport :smiley:.
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Some great h and info in these posts thanks good to hear from people who have made the swop must have been offered 2500 more for my GTI than this time last year! So I am very tempted to swop also keep looking at Golf R last of the mk7.5 s and BMW m135i X drive too. Not really sure what to do :grin:
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Some great h and info in these posts thanks good to hear from people who have made the swop must have been offered 2500 more for my GTI than this time last year! So I am very tempted to swop also keep looking at Golf R last of the mk7.5 s and BMW m135i X drive too. Not really sure what to do :grin:
If in doubt more cylinders will help you out :drool:
But seriously though, the new interior in the BMW's would very very quickly sway me IMO it is next level compared to the mk7.5 interior which I think is better than the mk8 (Mk8 interior is growing on me but it's no BMW).
But I'd also raise this issue, with a 135i you will look like you're police now a lot of them are buying plenty of them, so it's really down to if you want to have a moustache & a BMW or a Golf R :wink:
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I looked at the M135ix drive there were three things that swayed me to my CS:
1. The M135i doesn’t actually look that different to a 116i m-sport
2. It sounds pants and relies on the internal sound generator (especially compared to the CS exhaust)
3. Trade in was also poo at BMW compared to Vw (not an issue if seeking through WBAC or similar though I suppose!)
There were a few other things with the BM too from the reviews I’d read and watched. I have no regrets at all going for my Golf and avoiding the BM
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Some great h and info in these posts thanks good to hear from people who have made the swop must have been offered 2500 more for my GTI than this time last year! So I am very tempted to swop also keep looking at Golf R last of the mk7.5 s and BMW m135i X drive too. Not really sure what to do :grin:
I’m in the unfortunate position to have owned about half a dozen Mk7’s of varying performance and drivetrain configurations as well as an M135i X-Drive F40.
By unfortunate I mean as regards to my bank balance!
The 135i is quite a different beast to a Golf. Clearly BMW have benchmarked a Golf and A3 in its design but the engineering feels on a higher level than the VAG offerings in some respects, the solidity and interior quality are on another plane altogether.
The BMW steering is a lot more twitchy and the engine and gearbox feel more brawny but performance wise they’re all on about a par. Same with fuel economy.
All great cars, just in different ways.
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The two things to watch out for on the M135i is:
a) service costs - BMW really gouge the hell out of you
b) tyres - it eats them with uneven wear patterns
Other than that, its a lovely car for sure but its definitely not really a Golf R, even less of a Mk8 R.
They used to be quite cheap to buy too, not so much any more....
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The two things to watch out for on the M135i is:
a) service costs - BMW really gouge the hell out of you
b) tyres - it eats them with uneven wear patterns
Other than that, its a lovely car for sure but its definitely not really a Golf R, even less of a Mk8 R.
They used to be quite cheap to buy too, not so much any more....
Your not wrong on servicing, I had a 320d a few years ago and the main dealer wasn't much more than my local inde, I considered an M2 (used) as well as the M135ix before I got my golf and their prices have rocketed!!!!