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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: madstaff on 11 March 2021, 15:30
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HI, having just sold my A4 im wanting to get back in a GTI, having had a couple of MK2's in the past.
I am toying with a MK 7 Clubsport, but they are commanding strong money at the moment so im wondering would a 7.5PP be a better buy as i could potentially get a newer 7.5 for my money, with some nice gadgets, as a CS is coming up for 5 years old now??
Im not sure if i want to go the DSG route just yet as i enjoy driving and stirring a manual gearbox??
Anybody on here been the previous owner or have any knowledge of a red, 3 door, manual, Clubsport #315??
Or a carbon grey 3 door manual with Pretorias #292??
Thanks.
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If you're going to go for a Clubsport you'll want to get a manual as they will hold value better for enthusiasts on down the line. They currently hold their money well because they're a great car, just hard to get them with a lot of toys on them.
I like the DSG box in my PP though, still wanted a manual but it had a sunroof so that made my choice :whistle:
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Clubsport or 7.5 GTIP, I think it would depend on how often you want to use it. A newer car would seem a better bet for a daily. You can get a manual 7.5 so that's not a decider. The Clubsport is a great car especially if you can get one with buckets and the exterior styling I think is one of the best out of the various 7 and 7.5s. But there are plenty of plus points with a 7.5 GTIP too, a more modern interior and newer tech. Ultimately only you can decide :smiley:
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I haven't come across the two cars you mention. there is a facebook group for CS owners, they may know more.
As above, it depends on your use of the car.......
As well as obvious, condition, mileage and service/accident history. mk7 CS are hugely spec dependent when it comes to pricing, in my experience.
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Thanks all, unfortunately i don't do Facebook.
For a daily i suppose a 7.5PP, with all the modern toys, but the draw of a limited edition CS40, something a VW enthusiast in the know would doff his cap to is something which appeals.
Is there somewhere i can see what options were available??
#315 has black roof, Brescias, rear camera, Dynaudio, Nav and rear tints.
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madstaff, have a look at this link;
https://www.vwpress.co.uk/en-gb/models/variant-golf-gti-mk-vii
To the right, under documents, 5th one down is a link to a CS Ed40 brochure Pdf.
Very, basically, from my own experience, you tend to find 3 kinds of CS.
1; base car, bought on a lease with few options.
2; Fully optioned 5 door, dsg, pan roof, with heated leather interior, uopgraded nav, dynaudio.......... A top of the range GTi, rather than a car in the spirit of a clubsport?
3; As close as you could spec to a CS-S, if you needed 4 seats.... Options such as Recaro bucket seats, manual, Dynamic chassis control, 19" wheels.
There are more basic or close to basic spec cars around as they were at a similar price point to the Golf R, which was sometimes even cheaper on a lease deal.
If you are looking for specific, desirable, options in a good low miles car, you may be waiting a while or just get lucky...?
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Thanks clubsport, had a look at that last night.
Being specific like you say narrows down your options significantly, think there's 9 3 door Clubsports on Autotrader at the moment!!
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In clubsport’s list above I’d argue point #1 was mainly end of line dealer registered stock that VW UK punted out to its franchises due to the slow uptake of new registrations being as the car was so close to an R in price and was a superseded model.
Very few were leased as they were too expensive.
Lots of good advice from clubsport there though, particularly the vw press link.
It’s a shame if you can’t access the Facebook group but Lew on this forum runs the list of individual cars by plaque number. Hopefully he will be along.
The Ed40 caught on in popularity after it went out of production. Suddenly it became a cult hero mostly because enthusiasts get trouser moments at the thought of bucket seats. It used to be the same with mk2 Golfs when an odd G60 would pop up with Recaro seats.
Fair play to say they’re a good investment right now as a weekend toy but don’t come cheap, unless they’re a bit rough. Not all of them are cherished enthusiast owned, I’ve seen a few that have had hard lives.
I kept mine 2.5 years which is a long time for me to keep a car. I got £23k for mine (which seemed a good price at the time and far more than offered elsewhere) and it went up for sale for £28k which was I think slightly more than what I paid for it at one month old. It was snapped up quickly. Mind you it was like new and very low mileage.
I mostly regret selling it but then again I’m really appreciative of the car experiences I’ve had since, so...
If you can find a mint Ed40 for sensible money and will cherish it then I’d recommend one wholeheartedly. It has a sense of occasion like few other Golfs I’ve ever seen and I’ve been around Golfs a good few decades.
Definitely go for a manual, the simplicity of the manual gearbox and lack of digital frippery is a great mix.
Don’t get hung up on bucket seats like some finicky impossible to please enthusiasts, just buy on condition.
For the sort of money a tidy Ed40 costs you could get a lovely 7.5 Performance and would probably have a better chance of finding a low mileage minter.
As a daily driver a PP has a slightly more compliant ride, a bit better fuel economy, a slightly faster spooling turbo but a flatter power delivery (very little difference in performance in the real world), the amazing LED headlamps, a better head unit, the more modern AID dials...
The Ed40 lacks front parking sensors and ambient interior lighting (the latter is curiously added if leather was specced) but just looks and feels that little bit different.
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Have you thought about the 7.5 TCR?
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Thanks Exonian and BobbyT.
As much as i would love a 3dr TCR in grey, sadly way out of my budget.
A Clubsport would be my daily driver, so although Recaros would be nice, ive had them in a 197 Clio and the Mrs found them to be a pain.
I think the fact a CS is at least 4 years old now and unless theyve been looked after they may be starting to show their age a little??
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If you want a daily driver, you'll get more bang for buck from a Mk7.5 PP.
The Mk7.5 was a much better car in many ways than a Mk7.
If you just want to pile miles on, doesn't make much sense to buy a limited edition collectors item to me.
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madstaff, I didn't mention the TCR as I got the impression you were looking for a manual gearbox car. 7,5 DSG is 7 speed (PP&TCR) over 6 speed in mk7, so that would be another positive for 7.5 if you were that way inclined?
Again, not all mk7 CS are equal at 4 years old. I tend to buy my cars privately, you can get an idea of how it is used.
Mine went through 10k miles yesterday, is fully serviced with ceramic coatregularly topped up, it appears to be in better condition than a neighbours 18 plate Golf R, so he say's anyway!
The buckets are fine for daily use, the only real issue is if you have a rear passenger, you need to tilt the back rest forward, but manually move the seat forward from the lever on the front of the seat. This can't really be done by a rear passenger on their own?
The standard seats are good, same as the regular Gti with different trim, however, at this time a regular GTi had heated sets as standard, not so in the CS. It was an option, but winter pack with heated seats is really rare on a CS with the standard seats.
18"s ride well and look good, from experience DCC is worth having with 19" wheels (as per CSS).
See, how buying the right car can be a literal needle in a haystack? :)
Buy the best you can afford and available at the time.
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Think a CS has to be a manual IMO, and given the choice would be the one I'd pick.
You don't have any choice in a TCR so would have to accept the DSG.
I wouldnt be piling miles on as a daily either, 10 mile round trip to work.
My 2007 A4 I've just sold was in better nick 3 weeks ago when I sold it than the day I bought it in 2012.
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It sounds like you really *want* a Clubsport to me!
Buckets very desirable so you’ll pay a lot more for a car with them, cost will be negated when you come to sell though IF they’ve not been stolen :whistle: (they’re desirable to the wrong people too!)
Bear in mind a system is only as good as its weakest component and in the case of DCC that’ll be the springs which are fixed rate and not adaptable unlike the dampers. The springs can get a bit jiggly but aren’t harsh. Trust me, the car rides fine on passive dampers with 19” wheels so don’t be overly fussy on spec, just go for condition, condition, condition.
Volkwizard has a nice looking one for sale and there’s also this:
If anyone is looking for a Edition40 have a look
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202102229357440
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I've seen that, and it looks to be a very nice example, but 5 door.
It has to be a 3 door though, which I know, narrows the available cars down considerably.
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This is nice:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202012317538106 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202012317538106)
Fully loaded, buckets and all.
Lush!
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This is nice:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202012317538106 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202012317538106)
Fully loaded, buckets and all.
Lush!
yes it is!!
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This is nice:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202012317538106 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202012317538106)
Fully loaded, buckets and all.
Lush!
So as the OP says, it's a 2017 CS40 for £26k...
(https://m.atcdn.co.uk/a/media/w800h600/ed305bb30d6b49109b5e4dcbbefbe7a7.jpg)
Or a 2019 PP like mine which is also "Fully Loaded" for £22.5k
(https://i.postimg.cc/pXNNgYjR/IMG-1885-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/c6c533Tb)
Mine goes to market properly on Monday (I'll be putting an advert on here) after I've given it a good wash for pics this weeknd, so it's going to be interesting to see what it's up against. The gap between 7.5PP and TCR is huge but you do get that level of 'extra' engine, but against a CS40 it's IMO non-sensical. My view right now is 7.5PP's appear to be getting snapped up quickly, but TCR's and CS40's are hanging around much longer.
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Oh I agree with you kmpowell!
26k for a 17 plate car.... that is still a Golf.... or £22.5k for the later (better) model that's newer.
Remember though the ED40's and the TCR were both rather more expensive from new though, so they already were probably not something for everyone (I almost bought a TCR but baulked at the cost) and the ED45 some are waiting for right now is exactly the same (if anything probably even lesser "value" and uniqueness)
You've got to badly want the kudos IMHO (I'm not counting the CSS because that is something actually quite different) but I'd not say they aren't desirable, they are but my wallet rules my head not my heart :laugh:
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That is a really nicely specced example in great condition kmpowell, I am sure that will sell very quickly. :)
Each to their own, but I am not about to sell my CS for a 7.5PP. I speak as an ex mk7 PP owner and have driven 7.5 GtiPP & R on a few occasions.
Maybe short term wallet comes into it, but In 2-5 years time which car will be worth more? :)
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That is a really nicely specced example in great condition kmpowell, I am sure that will sell very quickly. :)
Each to their own, but I am not about to sell my CS for a 7.5PP. I speak as an ex mk7 PP owner and have driven 7.5 GtiPP & R on a few occasions.
Maybe short term wallet comes into it, but In 2-5 years time which car will be worth more? :)
The good thing about a golf is if you want to see what way the prices will eventually go, look to it's predecessors.
Mk2 G60/Rallye, Mk4 R32, Mk5 Edition 30/R32 all highly praised cars at the time of release then dropped way down in price, (£1,600 in the case of the Mk2 Rallye now selling at £35K+). Although I wouldn't buy a mk7 as an investment unless you plan on keeping it 20+ years and not driving it :grin:
If I could have found a Clubsport (that wasn't white...) I'd have got one over my 7.5PP but I'd have had to add 20/30k miles and £2-3k.
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For a daily i suppose a 7.5PP, with all the modern toys, but the draw of a limited edition CS40, something a VW enthusiast in the know would doff his cap to is something which appeals.
If you want the VW enthusiast’s view, watch andrew chapple’s video comparing 7PP v CSS:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MckrfwLY0sA
In answer to your original post, the 7.5PP is the better buy imho, and you should only buy the ed40 if you just want it!
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I would take the time and search for an ED40, I am sure you will find one to your liking. Prices seemed to have fallen since the start of the year.
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Thanks again for all the replies and useful comments, it makes for some interesting reading. :smiley:
Gradually learning more and more about the CS.
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That is a really nicely specced example in great condition kmpowell, I am sure that will sell very quickly. :)
A nice man from Ireland saw my posts on here... and this morning, after a FaceTime walk around the car viewing, has agreed to buy it at the full asking price, so it didn't even hit Autotrader etc
Happy, but a bit sad at the same time. :smiley:
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Thanks again for all the replies and useful comments, it makes for some interesting reading. :smiley:
Gradually learning more and more about the CS.
If you can find the right spec CS I’d go for that every time. Good luck.
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That is a really nicely specced example in great condition kmpowell, I am sure that will sell very quickly. :)
A nice man from Ireland saw my posts on here... and this morning, after a FaceTime walk around the car viewing, has agreed to buy it at the full asking price, so it didn't even hit Autotrader etc
Happy, but a bit sad at the same time. :smiley:
Lovely example , I have admired it for a while . Its the sort of next step for me but i am still quite content with my mk7
May i ask what are you replacing it with ?
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A nice man from Ireland saw my posts on here... and this morning, after a FaceTime walk around the car viewing, has agreed to buy it at the full asking price, so it didn't even hit Autotrader etc
Happy, but a bit sad at the same time. :smiley:
Thats the way to do it, although I don't think I'm brave enough to buy a car just on watching a video viewing.
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That is a really nicely specced example in great condition kmpowell, I am sure that will sell very quickly. :)
A nice man from Ireland saw my posts on here... and this morning, after a FaceTime walk around the car viewing, has agreed to buy it at the full asking price, so it didn't even hit Autotrader etc
Happy, but a bit sad at the same time. :smiley:
Nice work! :)
An easy sale and good on the buyer for taking the initiative to get in so quickly, it could have taken a while for another car of that spec & quality to come up for sale!
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Tbh that's a cracking price for a well looked after fully loaded car.
I'm not surprised someone bit your arm off.
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Just heard back about CS #315, its got 1 VW service stamp in the book followed by 2 independant, non VAG specialist, service stamps.
It appears to have done 15601 miles from the date it was registered to 5 Feb 2018.
27311 on 18/03/19
34371 on 11/03/20
Current mileage 40500ish
They confirmed it arrived with damage (??) to the front passenger side door and wing and has been in the bodyshop for repairs.
Thought i would post this up in case anyone else was interested in CS #315.
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I’ve been looking for a good spec 3DR Manual for a few months now. They don’t come up for sale often, but recently I’m seeing an increase of ED40’s going up for sale.
I’ve also viewed one of the cars you have mentioned in your first post.
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Just heard back about CS #315, its got 1 VW service stamp in the book followed by 2 independant, non VAG specialist, service stamps.
It appears to have done 15601 miles from the date it was registered to 5 Feb 2018.
27311 on 18/03/19
34371 on 11/03/20
Current mileage 40500ish
They confirmed it arrived with damage (??) to the front passenger side door and wing and has been in the bodyshop for repairs.
Thought i would post this up in case anyone else was interested in CS #315.
If you are looking for something to cherish.... this isn't it IMHO.
Why anyone would take their new car to anything other than a main dealer during its warranty period is bonkers.
There are always loads of recall items VW will do, most you'd never notice but I had a new battery on my Mk7.5 at about just under 3 years old - despite not ever seeing a battery problem.
And there have been more things swapped out too.
Anyone scrimping on that, probably has done god knows what else to it as well.
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Just heard back about CS #315, its got 1 VW service stamp in the book followed by 2 independant, non VAG specialist, service stamps.
It appears to have done 15601 miles from the date it was registered to 5 Feb 2018.
27311 on 18/03/19
34371 on 11/03/20
Current mileage 40500ish
They confirmed it arrived with damage (??) to the front passenger side door and wing and has been in the bodyshop for repairs.
Thought i would post this up in case anyone else was interested in CS #315.
That’s a bit annoying, the only positive with that one is the 2 years warranty though.
Can also say the grey one has had a couple repairs at some point.
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Is that the grey one with Pretorias?? I have ruled that one out because I thought Gumtree was an odd place to sell such a car.
I agree with whats been said, why would you not take it too a dealer in the first 3 years, I know it changed owners early 2018, so it still had the best part of 2 years warranty left.
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Is that the grey one with Pretorias?? I have ruled that one out because I thought Gumtree was an odd place to sell such a car.
I agree with whats been said, why would you not take it too a dealer in the first 3 years, I know it changed owners early 2018, so it still had the best part of 2 years warranty left.
Yep it’s the Gumtree one, to be fair it’s a really nice one. But I’m really fussy about any repairs that require paint without evidence of the repair.
I would be buying to keep long term so want it perfect.
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But I’m really fussy about any repairs that require paint without evidence of the repair.
I would be buying to keep long term so want it perfect.
I know its a uphill battle trying to source one thats not had any paintwork, but one thats had paintwork is a big no no for me.
Re #315 I'm not really prepared either for a 400 odd mile round trip to find that the repairs/colour match are unsatisfactory.
#315 for sale March 2018 https://youtu.be/C8eLvLDeTX0
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But I’m really fussy about any repairs that require paint without evidence of the repair.
I would be buying to keep long term so want it perfect.
I know its a uphill battle trying to source one thats not had any paintwork, but one thats had paintwork is a big no no for me.
Re #315 I'm not really prepared either for a 400 odd mile round trip to find that the repairs/colour match are unsatisfactory.
#315 for sale March 2018 https://youtu.be/C8eLvLDeTX0
Wouldn’t touch that red one, I did a 6 hour round trip today to view the grey one.
But agree, I want one with no previous paint work, but would consider a bumper scuff with evidence of the repair etc. Just not a whole panel which is then blended into surrounding panels.
I would also ideally like one that had the thermostat housing replaced, but that seems quite common that they have had it done under warranty. :grin:
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Wow! a 6 hour round trip, in the UK most of us are still in lockdown, maybe buying a CS can be seen as an essential journey? :)
There do seem to be a few more cars up for sale, mostly trade type cars, in that they appear to have higher average mileage or a basic specification.
I prefer to buy and sell privately, that way you can see if the seller has a clue, or even buy a car known to this forum, as I did.
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Lockdown must be over in your area hardly essential travel
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Lockdown must be over in your area hardly essential travel
i would call buying a new car and transport .. life goes on .. try it
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Wow! a 6 hour round trip, in the UK most of us are still in lockdown, maybe buying a CS can be seen as an essential journey? :)
There do seem to be a few more cars up for sale, mostly trade type cars, in that they appear to have higher average mileage or a basic specification.
I prefer to buy and sell privately, that way you can see if the seller has a clue, or even buy a car known to this forum, as I did.
The used car sector is still very much ongoing throughout lockdown and there are rules around collecting cars etc. No test drives, which is understandable but C&C or delivery from dealers. The rules around private sellers are not so clear. But a car is essential for most people for work. I have to commute daily for work and have worked throughout each lockdown. I also have the option to collect the car on trade plates as we are still collecting cars from auction sites as they are still operating online for collection.
I’m seeing the huge price mark up when they have the Recaros in them. But some private sellers are expecting similar money for a standard car. It’s better dealing with a one owner private seller for sure, just a waiting game now.
Must have for me is 3DR, Manual, DCC, Dynaudio (Buckets a bonus :smiley:)
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Must have for me is 3DR, Manual, DCC, Dynaudio (Buckets a bonus :smiley:)
Same here!! But 3dr manual are the must haves. Everything else is a bonus, I don't think unless your extremely lucky your going to get one in your perfect spec unless your prepared to wait.
I think the basics, plus condition, service history, etc will take precedence over hunting out one with DCC for example.
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Must have for me is 3DR, Manual, DCC, Dynaudio (Buckets a bonus :smiley:)
Same here!! But 3dr manual are the must haves. Everything else is a bonus, I don't think unless your extremely lucky your going to get one in your perfect spec unless your prepared to wait.
I think the basics, plus condition, service history, etc will take precedence over hunting out one with DCC for example.
Don’t know about you but it also puts me off when a 4 year old car has had 3 or 4 owners. Why didn’t any of them like it enough to keep :huh:
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Wow! a 6 hour round trip, in the UK most of us are still in lockdown, maybe buying a CS can be seen as an essential journey? :)
There do seem to be a few more cars up for sale, mostly trade type cars, in that they appear to have higher average mileage or a basic specification.
I prefer to buy and sell privately, that way you can see if the seller has a clue, or even buy a car known to this forum, as I did.
The used car sector is still very much ongoing throughout lockdown and there are rules around collecting cars etc. No test drives, which is understandable but C&C or delivery from dealers. The rules around private sellers are not so clear. But a car is essential for most people for work. I have to commute daily for work and have worked throughout each lockdown. I also have the option to collect the car on trade plates as we are still collecting cars from auction sites as they are still operating online for collection.
I’m seeing the huge price mark up when they have the Recaros in them. But some private sellers are expecting similar money for a standard car. It’s better dealing with a one owner private seller for sure, just a waiting game now.
Must have for me is 3DR, Manual, DCC, Dynaudio (Buckets a bonus :smiley:)
VolksDub, if you were to be questioned over your journey, once you explain you are "unicorn hunting", I doubt they will have that on the non essential journey list? :)
Are you looking for a car for a customer or stock, as you mention "we are still collecting cars on trade plates"?
Good luck with your search, from experience there may literally be a handful of cars in the country that fit your requirements, all you need is for one to come up for sale!
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Don’t know about you but it also puts me off when a 4 year old car has had 3 or 4 owners. Why didn’t any of them like it enough to keep :huh:
3 door and/or bucket seats when you have a family is a mistake you might only realise once you have the car...
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Wow! a 6 hour round trip, in the UK most of us are still in lockdown, maybe buying a CS can be seen as an essential journey? :)
There do seem to be a few more cars up for sale, mostly trade type cars, in that they appear to have higher average mileage or a basic specification.
I prefer to buy and sell privately, that way you can see if the seller has a clue, or even buy a car known to this forum, as I did.
The used car sector is still very much ongoing throughout lockdown and there are rules around collecting cars etc. No test drives, which is understandable but C&C or delivery from dealers. The rules around private sellers are not so clear. But a car is essential for most people for work. I have to commute daily for work and have worked throughout each lockdown. I also have the option to collect the car on trade plates as we are still collecting cars from auction sites as they are still operating online for collection.
I’m seeing the huge price mark up when they have the Recaros in them. But some private sellers are expecting similar money for a standard car. It’s better dealing with a one owner private seller for sure, just a waiting game now.
Must have for me is 3DR, Manual, DCC, Dynaudio (Buckets a bonus :smiley:)
VolksDub, if you were to be questioned over your journey, once you explain you are "unicorn hunting", I doubt they will have that on the non essential journey list? :)
Are you looking for a car for a customer or stock, as you mention "we are still collecting cars on trade plates"?
Good luck with your search, from experience there may literally be a handful of cars in the country that fit your requirements, all you need is for one to come up for sale!
This purchase is purely for me as I’m a long term VW enthusiast having owned most GTI’s from MK1 onwards. I arranged with the seller that this was for collection based on condition with evidence of the booked collection date if stopped.
I’ve owned the MK7 in R form and the 7.5 in R form. Both amazing cars the later fully loaded with options so I know I would struggle accepting a car without them now.
Thanks for the good luck message :smiley:
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Don’t know about you but it also puts me off when a 4 year old car has had 3 or 4 owners. Why didn’t any of them like it enough to keep :huh:
3 door and/or bucket seats when you have a family is a mistake you might only realise once you have the car...
Good points, I was also thinking maybe the launch of a the TCR made a few change hands quite early on.
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Yep, agree with that too, 3 owners in 3 years for example IMO doesn't fill me with confidence.
Definitely not enthusiast owned.
Looks like #315 has been sold?? No longer on Autotrader.
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Yep, agree with that too, 3 owners in 3 years for example IMO doesn't fill me with confidence.
Definitely not enthusiast owned.
Looks like #315 has been sold?? No longer on Autotrader.
Guessed it wouldn’t hang around at that price with the 2 year used VW warranty.
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From the very limited detail given in the ad, this looks fair for the mileage?
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202103160198925?model=GOLF&year-to=2017&maximum-badge-engine-size=2.0&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&postcode=br51je&radius=1500&keywords=clubsport&sort=datedesc&body-type=Hatchback&advertising-location=at_cars&make=VOLKSWAGEN&year-from=2016&fuel-type=Petrol&page=1
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Looks good price but probably poverty spec :sad:
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Looks great to me, 19s, manual and a black roof :smiley:
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Low miles - high specification - Good price.
You get to choose no more than 2 of the above when looking for a mk7 CS !? :)
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From the very limited detail given in the ad, this looks fair for the mileage?
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202103160198925?model=GOLF&year-to=2017&maximum-badge-engine-size=2.0&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&postcode=br51je&radius=1500&keywords=clubsport&sort=datedesc&body-type=Hatchback&advertising-location=at_cars&make=VOLKSWAGEN&year-from=2016&fuel-type=Petrol&page=1
That's sat at Halliwell Jones (BMW & Mini North West Main Dealer group) p/x outlet. So it would have been taken in p/x against a BMW/Mini, and will probably be sold with limited prep/warranty etc. Do some thorough checking before buying as this won't be a normal used car dealer sale.
:)
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Unlike #315 from Exeter VW which is supposedly
an approved used car.
Check out the MOT done today, namely one of the advisories -
Nearside Road wheel slightly distorted (5.2.2 (c)(i))
And slightly less concerning -
Sound deadening material not fully secure under bonnet (8.1.1(b)(i))
But paintwork to the passenger door and wing, and now damage to the rear wheel??
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Cant comment on the PP but ended up in a CS about a year ago.Budget would have allowed CSS but needed 5 drs and dsg.Ended up with white with leather and 19s.Its a great car really special looking and drives brilliantly.Of course it changed a bit!Hated the ride on 19s so 18 Belevederes.Put Ohlins coilovers on with some CSS suspension bits.BCS exhaust and MST induction (sounds like it should have ).Leather never suited it for me...just looked wrong and recently got a full CS recaro interior...wallet vandalised!oh and eurocode braces front and rear....finished honest!Driving it now cant think of another car I would rather have....its brilliant!!
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can yuo tell me what "TCR" and "PP actually means
yes im a rookie!
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PP refers to an option on the MK7 called the Performance Pack, on the MK7.5 such equipped cars are just a 'P'. It consisted of improved brakes, the improved diff (like an lsd) and a little more power. TCR refers to a racing series, Touring Car Racing. The Golf GTI TCR was a MK7.5 special edition, not limited by numbers, which had a detuned R engine at 290PS plus various styling and suspension tweaks :smiley:
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That clubsport is just up the road from me. They get a lot of gti / gtd / r in.
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Anyone seen the ED40 on eBay being sold as auction?
Is it just me, but the rear NS door and quarter panel look a totally different colour?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2017-Volkswagen-Golf-GTI-Clubsport-Edition-40-5dr-Reflex-Silver-6-Speed-DSG-/265096230975?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49292 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2017-Volkswagen-Golf-GTI-Clubsport-Edition-40-5dr-Reflex-Silver-6-Speed-DSG-/265096230975?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49292)
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it's just the light. You couldn't get away with a job that bad!
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it's just the light. You couldn't get away with a job that bad!
There is an obvious difference between the two doors, no light or shadow carry over between them from the front and back side pictures where the doors meet.
It would be a bad paint job for sure if it is.
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it's just the light. You couldn't get away with a job that bad!
There is an obvious difference between the two doors, no light or shadow carry over between them from the front and back side pictures where the doors meet.
It would be a bad paint job for sure if it is.
Silver used to have a reputation for being notoriously difficult to get good colour match on. Judging by the pictures of that car it seems that might still be the case, although a decent painter would have blended the new paint into the adjacent panels to try and disguise any shade differences.
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I don't think that's just the light playing tricks, its a bad paint job.
Someones painted that edge to edge, should've been blended out down the side.
Also, in the above bonnet pic something doesn't look right where the N/S headlamp meets the wing??
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Anyone asked for a video ? The lighting under the trees doesn’t help with the shadows and reflections .
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Photo 2- if you enlarge the image, the top left of passenger side rear door is the same silver as the rest of the car, the rest of the door is that grey colour.
I think this is a negative reality inversion.
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Looks like passenger door and front wing are different shades to the rest, that's looking at the original set of pics.
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I think this is a negative reality inversion.
Come on, someone on here must have a sense of humour? Or an interest in cult 80s comedy??
I can wait...
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I think this is a negative reality inversion.
Come on, someone on here must have a sense of humour? Or an interest in cult 80s comedy??
I can wait...
That would be the Young One’s :grin:
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Good lad! I’m sure there’s a few that googled it!
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Good lad! I’m sure there’s a few that googled it!
I didn't recognise that but I do like the Young Ones. I'll have to do some homework...
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Thanks to @madstaff for bringing this post to my attention, I’m new to the forum and am currently looking for a CS40.
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Having seen the spec you are after, a TCR would be worthy of consideration. Only the Recaros would be an issue however the 7 speed DSG might soothe that disappointment.
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Having seen the spec you are after, a TCR would be worthy of consideration. Only the Recaros would be an issue however the 7 speed DSG might soothe that disappointment.
A 3 door TCR would be as equally hard to source though, not many about??
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My ideal spec may a unicorn, so compromise may be needed at some point.
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Having seen the spec you are after, a TCR would be worthy of consideration. Only the Recaros would be an issue however the 7 speed DSG might soothe that disappointment.
A 3 door TCR would be as equally hard to source though, not many about??
True, but there are a few TR ones I've seen recently with most of the spec Jon is after. I've not seen any CS40s that fit the brief. Plus there are other benefits of the TCR, full time 290PS, uprated suspension, 7 speed DSG, improved nav/AID. Definitely worth considering.
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This one is 3 door, sunroof, TR and Dynaudio - https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202105283196156?sort=relevance&radius=1500&postcode=tw134ql&advertising-location=at_cars&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&include-delivery-option=on&make=VOLKSWAGEN&quantity-of-doors=3&aggregatedTrim=GTI%20TCR&model=GOLF&page=1
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Thats Parkway Leicester, where I got my Clubsport from, its an ex VW press car though I think as I've seen it in Autocar.
(https://i.postimg.cc/hjyWdB9D/EMosybs-Wo-AEswv-W.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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@watts & @madstaff
Thanks for the info, noting that my ideal spec could be a unicorn that TCR looks great and nice spec, shame no recaros. Bouns that it’s a new vehicle, shame it’s an ex press car which likely means it’s been unloved and put through it’s paces from basicly zero miles.
I have found another simlar spec slightly less miles but outside of of auc so doesn’t benefit for the warranty, I suspect as it’s a indpendent garage the add may not be 100% as quite often they miss options off the details.
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With a TCR I think you'd need to try and get it in the Pure Grey special paint for it to stand out from the crowd, given how similar it still is to the normal GTI PP, perhaps that's a good thing though. An epic looking car all the same with options to make it stand out out blend in with the sticker pack.
If you won't compromise on specification or doors for that matter the TCR is the best choice. A lot of them are kitted out, especially the later ones that had Akrapovic exhausts and rear cameras as standard, as well as there's a good few in 3 door in a selection of colours. (That Parkway Leciester one seems to be the best in spec and value at the minute, but has been up for sale since what seems like March so might get a little off. I wouldn't be put off if it was an ex-VW press car at least it'll have been properly bedded in.)
The Edition 40 is a bit of a hard sell, given how their prices are currently so similar to that of the TCR's or 7.5 GTI PP's which have less miles. They're a fantastic looking car in white or red, but the aesthetic is lost when in dark grey or black as they hide the nice gloss black bits. As well as it's hard to find a 3 door one with any kind of specification, as well as the Alcantara steering wheel will most likely need reupholstered as this point on any with a bit more miles.
Currently 3 door Ed40's range from £23,000 with 36,000 miles to £30,000 with 13,000 miles, with some spec on each. Whilst the 7.5 GTI PP's are around the £20,000-£26,000 range but little to no specification at this point, private sales would be a good shout here if you can get one young enough where it still has main warranty but they did have more standard versus the Ed40 (Heated seats on all, rear camera on 2019 models).
Personally I would only buy from Main Dealer in the current sales climate, as their prices stayed reasonable with the chip shortage whilst other places inflated prices, as well as you get 2 years warranty.
Good luck with the hunt.
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Just be aware the later cars, especially with the Akrapovic exhaust and a few choice options, can push the retail price over £40k and therefore the road tax is loaded up in the first few years.
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Just be aware the later cars, especially with the Akrapovic exhaust and a few choice options, can push the retail price over £40k and therefore the road tax is loaded up in the first few years.
They will all be 5 door cars though, they dropped the 3 door before that.
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They will all be 5 door cars though, they dropped the 3 door before that.
Ahh, yes, good point.
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They will all be 5 door cars though, they dropped the 3 door before that.
Ahh, yes, good point.
I really don't know why they dropped the 3 door. Yes it saves their design budget and sales were declining, but now VAG group other than the Audi TT and A5 have no 2/3 door car in the range.
Quite frankly it's made VW a range of SUV's just in varying heights, especially now there's the T-Roc and Tiguan R's.
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I really don't know why they dropped the 3 door. Yes it saves their design budget and sales were declining, but now VAG group other than the Audi TT and A5 have no 2/3 door car in the range.
Quite frankly it's made VW a range of SUV's just in varying heights, especially now there's the T-Roc and Tiguan R's.
As you’ve said, declining sales is probably a major factor, as is cost and profit.
For a large manufacturing business like VW, it’s all about cutting costs and maximising profit. No doubt VW will have volume and profit targets for each variant (3 door, 5 door, estate etc.) of vehicle they produce, and if the three door variant isn’t meeting or exceeding those targets, then there’s a good chance the bean counters in VW’s ivory tower will recommend its production is canned. Plus, reducing the number of variants of a particular model of car is likely to result in efficiencies in the factory and the supply chain - no need to produce 3 door-specific body panel pressings, component and parts suppliers don’t have to produce trim panels, windows etc. for three door models.
With the increasing popularity of SUV’s, it wouldn’t surprise me if estate cars are the next casualty for some of the VAG brands in the continuing pursuit to cut costs, rationalise product lines and maximise profits.
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I really don't know why they dropped the 3 door. Yes it saves their design budget and sales were declining, but now VAG group other than the Audi TT and A5 have no 2/3 door car in the range.
Quite frankly it's made VW a range of SUV's just in varying heights, especially now there's the T-Roc and Tiguan R's.
As you’ve said, declining sales is probably a major factor, as is cost and profit.
For a large manufacturing business like VW, it’s all about cutting costs and maximising profit. No doubt VW will have volume and profit targets for each variant (3 door, 5 door, estate etc.) of vehicle they produce, and if the three door variant isn’t meeting or exceeding those targets, then there’s a good chance the bean counters in VW’s ivory tower will recommend its production is canned. Plus, reducing the number of variants of a particular model of car is likely to result in efficiencies in the factory and the supply chain - no need to produce 3 door-specific body panel pressings, component and parts suppliers don’t have to produce trim panels, windows etc. for three door models.
With the increasing popularity of SUV’s, it wouldn’t surprise me if estate cars are the next casualty for some of the VAG brands in the continuing pursuit to cut costs, rationalise product lines and maximise profits.
Just seems strange as a golf has generally be marketed towards younger people as well as has typically been the poster car for the range. I'd firmly say that the lack of 3 door would push be away from VW and into a BMW, might not have a 3 door there either but a 6 cylinder in a 2 door or estate/touring would wipe away those tears.
But that's just me that believes a Polo should always be a 3 door and a Golf to have an option of either 3 or 5.
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Just seems strange as a golf has generally be marketed towards younger people as well as has typically been the poster car for the range. I'd firmly say that the lack of 3 door would push be away from VW and into a BMW, might not have a 3 door there either but a 6 cylinder in a 2 door or estate/touring would wipe away those tears.
But that's just me that believes a Polo should always be a 3 door and a Golf to have an option of either 3 or 5.
My preference is to a 3 door Golf and that was what I was after with the TCR but there were just so few to choose from I had to go with the 5 door. Having said that, one thing I really don't miss with a 3 door is not being able to get out of it in tight spaces :rolleyes: :laugh:
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WLTP was the final nail in the 3 door coffin. The cost of having to effectively certify the Golf hatchback range twice, with all the various permutations of options, would have been massively prohibitive for a model with continuously reducing sales. Writing was on the wall as far back as the 2016 PP which couldn't be ordered as a 3 door with a pan roof and 19" wheels because VW didn't put that option combination through what was then NEDC testing.
I also find it sad that there will not be another 3 door GTI. It was the original design and for me always true to the ethos of the car but at least it went out on a high note with the TCR.
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Lots of good advice from clubsport there though, particularly the vw press link.
It’s a shame if you can’t access the Facebook group but Lew on this forum runs the list of individual cars by plaque number. Hopefully he will be along.
here i am, bit late, lol yeah i've started to do a list of all the Edition 40's in the uk which are numbered - currently found 183. but if you ever decide to join the ol fb or insta, groups as follows:
- Clubsport Edition 40 UK Owners Club
- VW GOLF GTI EDITION 40 OWNERS
Insta: @edition40ownersclub
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I'm noticing prices on the Edition 40's seem to be quite strong at the moment?
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I'm noticing prices on the Edition 40's seem to be quite strong at the moment?
Not just ED40’s; pretty much all good late date in-demand cars.
It’s largely a consequence of the world shortage of semi conductors, which is having a significant impact on many manufacturing sectors, including vehicle production.
- increased lead times for new cars as a result of a number of manufacturers having to temporarily suspend production, reduce the number of production lines, or move to shorter working hours. Some customers probably aren’t prepared to accept excessively long lead times so may consider buying late date used cars instead, increasing the demand for these cars.
- increased demand by dealers for good late date cars to replenish reducing stock, especially if the new vehicles they’ve ordered for dealership stock aren’t filtering through from the factory
The bubble is likely to burst once the supply of semiconductors is back to normal levels and car manufacturers can ramp up new car production. How long it’ll will be before that happens is an unknown. Anyone selling to take advantage of the current market conditions may get a very good price for their car, but they’re then faced with the dilemma of what to replace their car with;
- another similar used car which is likely to have an inflated sale price in the current market.
- wait for a new car to be built and accept they may be car-less for a few months, unless they have a second vehicle they can use in the meantime.
- if lucky they might find a new in-stock car at a dealers. If they can, then IMO the chances of the dealer willing to discount the price is much less likely in the current market.
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Perfect assessment :smiley:
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Also new car prices have got a bit silly in the past few years. Lease prices in particular have shot up. My car is 3.5 years old and normally I'd have changed by now, but I expect I'll probably hang on to it for at least another year.
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here i am, bit late, lol yeah i've started to do a list of all the Edition 40's in the uk which are numbered - currently found 183. but if you ever decide to join the ol fb or insta, groups as follows:
- Clubsport Edition 40 UK Owners Club
- VW GOLF GTI EDITION 40 OWNERS
Insta: @edition40ownersclub
Don't do FB or Insta, but feel free to add me, number 706.
Would be interested to see the list.
(https://i.postimg.cc/2jTTtjs7/20210612-121823.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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Just spotted a suspicious clubsport for sale on eBay.
It’s a black one,the rear seats are leather,as opposed to the standard clubsport pattern.
Asked the seller if the seats were correct,he replied saying they’d been retrimmed by the dealer.
Hey,he might be legit,but it jumped out at me straight away.
I think people should do their homework on this one before jumping in.
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Asked the seller if the seats were correct,he replied saying they’d been retrimmed by the dealer.
Not so sure about that, why on earth would you retrim the seats??
Looks a right mis-match now, it would be ringing alarm bells for me and i, personally, would be steering well clear if i were still on the hunt for a CS.
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It’s got a chequered past that car,i’m convinced of it.
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The rear seats do seem odd, that mismatch would drive me mad, I doubt the supplying dealer sold it that way.
I wonder if the original rear seats found their way into the rear of a CS-S at some point making it a 4-5 seater?
Mk7 CS prices seem buoyant at the moment, with a low miles CS-S around £40k (for a good one?) and a Mk8 CS thereabouts with extras, they do look reasonable value, in the right spec. :)
I am almost tempted to let my 10k miler go, but don't really know what I would replace it with?
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Mk7 CS prices seem buoyant at the moment, with a low miles CS-S around £40k (for a good one?) and a Mk8 CS thereabouts with extras, they do look reasonable value, in the right spec. :)
I am almost tempted to let my 10k miler go, but don't really know what I would replace it with?
And therein lies the dilemma:
- Sell your car to take advantage of the current buoyant used car values but then find anything that’s nearly new and an in-demand model will currently have an inflated sale price, due to the worldwide shortage of semiconductors which has resulted in supply shortages of new cars and increased demand for good nearly new cars.
- order a new factory build to your spec, but suffer a longer than usual wait for delivery. Manufacturers are currently having issues fulfilling customer orders within their normal lead times as they can’t get the semiconductors they need to build cars. Longer than usual lead times aren’t such an issue if you’ve got a second car to use, but could be if you have just the one car.
- Find a new in-stock car at a dealer’s in a colour and spec you’d be happy with. Because of shortages of new cars which will mean reduced dealership stock levels, dealers will probably be much less willing to negotiate on the price of stock vehicles.
So buoyant used car values is the upside of the current situation which is good if you’re selling, but don’t forget the downsides.
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Mk7 CS prices seem buoyant at the moment, with a low miles CS-S around £40k (for a good one?) and a Mk8 CS thereabouts with extras, they do look reasonable value, in the right spec. :)
I am almost tempted to let my 10k miler go, but don't really know what I would replace it with?
And therein lies the dilemma:
- Sell your car to take advantage of the current buoyant used car values but then find anything that’s nearly new and an in-demand model will currently have an inflated sale price, due to the worldwide shortage of semiconductors which has resulted in supply shortages of new cars and increased demand for good nearly new cars.
- order a new factory build to your spec, but suffer a longer than usual wait for delivery. Manufacturers are currently having issues fulfilling customer orders within their normal lead times as they can’t get the semiconductors they need to build cars. Longer than usual lead times aren’t such an issue if you’ve got a second car to use, but could be if you have just the one car.
- Find a new in-stock car at a dealer’s in a colour and spec you’d be happy with. Because of shortages of new cars which will mean reduced dealership stock levels, dealers will probably be much less willing to negotiate on the price of stock vehicles.
So buoyant used car values is the upside of the current situation which is good if you’re selling, but don’t forget the downsides.
Buy a £1k run around for a year and then sell it for the same when the new car arrives when the prices drop!
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That is seriously tempting my eldest is going to study in France for a year so her corsa will be lying idle
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here i am, bit late, lol yeah i've started to do a list of all the Edition 40's in the uk which are numbered - currently found 183. but if you ever decide to join the ol fb or insta, groups as follows:
- Clubsport Edition 40 UK Owners Club
- VW GOLF GTI EDITION 40 OWNERS
Insta: @edition40ownersclub
Don't do FB or Insta, but feel free to add me, number 706.
Would be interested to see the list.
(https://i.postimg.cc/2jTTtjs7/20210612-121823.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
So far this is where i've got to, 186. No doubt i've maybe made the odd mistake, but guess nothing else out there.
001 – Oryx White
002 - Tornado Red
003 – Tornado Red
005 - Pure White
009 - Carbon Streel Grey
010 - Pure White
016 – Carbon Steel Grey
020 - Carbon Steel Grey
023 - Carbon Streel Grey
024 – Black
025 – Urano Grey
027 – Pure White
029 - Carbon Steel Grey
030 - Carbon Steel Grey
035 – Black
037 – White
038 – Carbon Steel Grey
040 – Black
041 – Pure White
045 - Pure White
050 - Black
053 - Oryx White
054 – Carbon Steel Grey
060 – Oryx White
063 - Tornado Red
065 - Oryx White
066 – Oryx White
067 – Oryx White
068 – Oryx White
071 - Pure White
072 – Tornado Red
073 - Pure White
075 - White
080 - Reflex Silver
082 - Carbon Steel Grey
083 - Oryx White
088 - White
089 - Tornado Red
090 - Pure White
093 - Black
095 - White
097 - Pure White
099 – Oryx White
100 - Pure White
103 - Tornado Red
107 - Oryx White
109 - Pure White
110 - Carbon Steel Grey
118 – Carbon Steel Grey
120 – Carbon Steel Grey
122 – Oryx White
123 - Reflex Silver
127 - Pure White
128 – Black
130 - Black
140 - Pure White
141 - Pure White
142 -
150 - Carbon Steel Grey
166 - Black
171 – Carbon Steel Grey
173 - Reflex Silver
174 – Reflex Silver
176 - Reflex Silver
179 - Black
182 – Carbon Steel Grey
188 - Pure White
189 - Urano Grey
190 - Carbon Steel Grey
192 – Carbon Steel Grey
197 - Carbon Steel Grey
199 - Pure White
204 - Pure White
205 – Pure White
212 - Pure White
214 – Grey
216 – Pure White
218 – Pure White
221 – Pure White
226 – Pure White
229 – Carbon Steel Grey
232 – Pure White
233 - Black
234 - Tornado Red
236 – Reflex Silver
242 - Black
243 - Oryx White
249 – Oryx White
250 – Carbon Steel Grey
252 - Carbon Steel Grey
254 – Urano Grey
261 - Pure White
264 - Black
267 – Pure White
274 –
275 – Reflex Silver
279 - Carbon Grey
280 - Tornado Red
284 - Tornado Red
285 - Black
288 - Tornado Red
289 – Oryx White
290 – Tornado Red
294 - Black
296 - Oryx White
301 – Pure White
302 - Oryx White
303 - Tornado Red
310 - Carbon Steel Grey
312 - Pure White
314 – Pure White
315 – Tornado Red
317 - Oryx White
319 - Oryx White
324 – Reflex Silver
328 - Tornado Red
331 - Oryx White
338 - Tornado Red
369 - Tornado Red
379 – Oryx White
401 – Tornado Red
403 – Tornado Red
404 – Oryx White
406 – Black
413 - Pure White
418 - Pure White
421 - Oryx White
422 - Oryx White
426 - Black
427 – Pure White
433 – Oryx White
435 - Black
436 - Oryx White
441 - White
442 – Black
443 – Tornado Red
444 – Oryx White
445 – Black
447 - Tornado Red
459 - White
465 – Oryx White
603 – Pure White
608 - Pure White
609 - Reflex Silver
611 - Reflex Silver
617 – Oryx White
620 – Carbon Steel Grey
621 - Tornado Red
623 – Pure White
625 - Oryx White
626 -
627 - Tornado Red
629 - Carbon Steel Grey
636 – Reflex Silver
641 - Tornado Red
645 - Oryx White
646 – Black
647 - Pure White
650 – Tornado Red
653 – Reflex Silver
654 - White
658 - Carbon Streel Grey
664 – Carbon Steel Grey
669 - Pure White
670 - Carbon Steel Grey
675 - Pure White
681 – Pure White
688 - Pure White
691 - Reflex Silver
698 - Oryx White
699 - Oryx White
700 - Pure White
704 - Pure White
706 - Urano Grey
712 – Carbon Steel Grey
717 - Oryx White
718 - Pure White
719 - Pure White
720 – Carbon Steel Grey
727 – Reflex Silver
732 – Pure White
737 - Pure White
738 - Oryx White
742 - Reflex Silver
747 – Pure White
754 - Tornado Red
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Wow Lewis, not many Urano Grey examples on your list. :sad:
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Wow Lewis, not many Urano Grey examples on your list. :sad:
oops, just edited the list, as thought, hang on, where was your's lol. so just put the updated one on the post.
yeah not many, only 4 so far