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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Papa John on 10 September 2020, 19:25

Title: Coolant loss (needs a waterpump kit?)
Post by: Papa John on 10 September 2020, 19:25
Gradual coolant loss/usage makes me think that my 2015 GTi needs a new waterpump kit. They're pretty notorius for the thermostat housing leaking, so much so they were all recalled in the US and VW got sued for being a bit sh!t.

I've contacted the stealer, as I think the car is still within the extended warranty until Oct. Not a terrific response, no-one available to deal with this right now we'll call you back. I can't log into the my VW Finance account as, random error, despite me entering the correct detais, but am pretty sure the warranty is in place still.

Anyway. If VW won't replace their own shoddy part. I'll just replace it with a quality aftermarket kit which will give me the chance to get the inlet manifold off to check for the dreaded direct injection carbon build up issue. Car is knocking on 60k so likely is more gummed up than Lord John Gummer.

https://youtu.be/CB5ThYfX7ag?t=106
Title: Re: Coolant loss (needs a waterpump kit?)
Post by: Al1040 on 10 September 2020, 20:03
Hi Papa John, hope you get it fixed under warranty, do you know if the pump is common on the GTD? Out of interest mine is nearly out of M/F 3 year warrant and I was wondering if it is worth extending / how much.
Thanks
Title: Re: Coolant loss (needs a waterpump kit?)
Post by: fredgroves on 10 September 2020, 20:24
It certainly was a common fault on the Mk7 GTD, whether anything changed on the Mk7.5, I don't now.

Of my colleagues with 14 plate GTD's I think I was the only one to not have the problem in the first 3 years.
Title: Re: Coolant loss (needs a waterpump kit?)
Post by: Papa John on 10 September 2020, 21:06
Hi Papa John, hope you get it fixed under warranty, do you know if the pump is common on the GTD? Out of interest mine is nearly out of M/F 3 year warrant and I was wondering if it is worth extending / how much.
Thanks

I have no direct knowledge of the GTD, but see another member has. Aftermarket pump kit (includes new pump drive belt etc) costs from around £300/£400. I think I would go with https://www.hepu.de/en/

Best price of VAG parts found online was £301, that's for the waterpump and the 'plastic' thermostat housing from a Skoda dealer, no drive belt etc included. Skoda was the easiest to source the parts and I'd expect would be the cheapest too. Part numbers are 06L121111M / 06L121012H. They're the same in all the VAG MQB cars and even a Porsche I noted.

Handy resource. http://web1.carparts-cat.com/default.aspx?11=437&14=4&10=1AA1A657CCC94BE79ED9501CB4431F05437004&12=100

Dealership labour? I'd say about another £400? Not a hugely difficult job, worst part is getting the inlet manifold off with all the associated coolant pipes and sensors which need moving/removing before and after. The actual parts just bolt on and off, no special tools or skills required, just lots of patience and care not to break anything.  :smiley:

Will update when the dealer gets back to me. Cheers.
Title: Re: Coolant loss (needs a waterpump kit?)
Post by: Al1040 on 11 September 2020, 10:59
Thanks Guys, Fred did you extend your warranty?
Title: Re: Coolant loss (needs a waterpump kit?)
Post by: fredgroves on 11 September 2020, 11:23
Thanks Guys, Fred did you extend your warranty?

The 14 plate is long gone, got a 17 plate now and didn't intend to keep that beyond 3 years, but.... here i am until 3.5 years.
Title: Re: Coolant loss (needs a waterpump kit?)
Post by: Al1040 on 11 September 2020, 14:00
Thanks Fred, I will almost certainly keep mine for a few more years, can't see me in a Mk8 and I hate anything with stick on I Pads (certainly narrow the option a bit :angry:). With the DTUK box on it, it is more than enough for me the only worry of course is large bills from the stealers as time goes by. Fingers crossed they seem to have sorted most of the issues out on the 7.5.
Title: Re: Coolant loss (needs a waterpump kit?)
Post by: Papa John on 11 September 2020, 14:31
Phoned the local dealer this morning and spoke to the parts dude who quoted the following.

For the pump & thermostat and associated drive belt etc. £390.97. They don't have the pump or the belt in stock.

Then got a quote for a new turbo to downpipe gasket £11.45 and securing clamp £17.35. They are in stock and I'm 'aving them for the new 4" Trackslag downpipe which is ordered.

I asked the really helpful spares dude to put me through to servicing to get a quote for labour costs for the replacement pump. He tried but they were engaged. Waiting on a call back.  :whistle:
Title: Re: Coolant loss (needs a waterpump kit?)
Post by: Al1040 on 11 September 2020, 15:44
Wow, if your assessment of the labour charge of £400 is anything near, £800 for a waterpump replacement is very steep :cry:
Title: Re: Coolant loss (needs a waterpump kit?)
Post by: fredgroves on 11 September 2020, 15:53
Most people report the swap out of all of the bits comes to about 500ish+vat.

Parts cost you normally hear is about 350+vat.
Title: Re: Coolant loss (needs a waterpump kit?)
Post by: Al1040 on 11 September 2020, 15:56
Thanks Fred, that sounds more reasonable esp when taking the parts list into account, here's hoping it won't be necessary in the near term, fingers crossed for Papa.
Title: Re: Coolant loss (needs a waterpump kit?)
Post by: Gnasher on 11 September 2020, 18:55
At least they're better than my dealer was - when mine got replaced under warranty, before I dropped it off, the service adviser said "At least you'll get a new cambelt out of it." to which I told him it had a camchain lol.

Edit - just realised that was my 1,000th post too!!
Title: Re: Coolant loss (needs a waterpump kit?)
Post by: Papa John on 11 September 2020, 19:05
At least they're better than my dealer was - when mine got replaced under warranty, before I dropped it off, the service adviser said "At least you'll get a new cambelt out of it." to which I told him it had a camchain lol.

Edit - just realised that was my 1,000th post too!!

The water pump impeller runs on its own dedicated belt driven driveshaft located at the front of the engine directly below in the inlet manifold.  :nerd:

Most people report the swap out of all of the bits comes to about 500ish+vat.

Parts cost you normally hear is about 350+vat.

So that's north of £800 quid then. Why quote prices plus VAT like that's optional or somethink? I could save about £50 by just buying parts which come in Skoda, not VW boxes.  :whistle:
Title: Re: Coolant loss (needs a waterpump kit?)
Post by: fredgroves on 11 September 2020, 19:15
No i meant five hundred plus vat for parts and labour...
Title: Re: Coolant loss (needs a waterpump kit?)
Post by: Papa John on 11 September 2020, 19:55
No i meant five hundred plus vat for parts and labour...

Book me in, Fred.  :cool:
Title: Re: Coolant loss (needs a waterpump kit?)
Post by: Sootchucker on 11 September 2020, 22:05
Anyone know if the MK7.5 models also suffer from the same issues ?
Title: Re: Coolant loss (needs a waterpump kit?)
Post by: AndyGTI on 12 September 2020, 08:05
No, I think for mk 7.5 they had redesigned part and it was metal rather than plastic. Not sure if it was on a volkswizard video or in a magazine doing a used mk 7 feature. I will try and find it and post.
Title: Re: Coolant loss (needs a waterpump kit?)
Post by: Papa John on 12 September 2020, 09:49
Anyone know if the MK7.5 models also suffer from the same issues ?

An water pump is a service item. The issue has been the thermostat housing which develops leaks, not so much the pump. The housing has been modified several times over the years, the latest part number is that shown above. 
(https://www.akstuning.co.uk/shop/2837-large_default/genuine-1820tsi-waterpump-thermostat-kit.jpg)
Title: Re: Coolant loss (needs a waterpump kit?)
Post by: AndyGTI on 13 September 2020, 08:13
No, I think for mk 7.5 they had redesigned part and it was metal rather than plastic. Not sure if it was on a volkswizard video or in a magazine doing a used mk 7 feature. I will try and find it and post.

Ok so he’s talking about Mk7R but I assumed applies to other 2 litre Golfs (also appreciate a petrol and Diesel engine are different)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ212FeHKXY (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ212FeHKXY)

At 15.20 he talks about coolant leaks.  As described above by Papa John it’s the thermostat housing that leaks and causes the issue.