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Model specific boards => Golf mk8 => Topic started by: evo1986 on 20 August 2020, 18:03
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News fresh in we have a Golf MK8 GTE due to be built and arrive before the end of the year.
Of course most of us know the GTE styling wise will be the same as the GTI although with slight differences to the colour of the pieces of certain trim and upholstery.
I will give more news as and when
But 245PS :cool:
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Thats curious.... i thought they announced the GTE, GTD and GTI at the same time?
I saw that apparently they are going all out to get ID4's (yes 4) off of the production line.... guess all of this milk float stuff is where the attention is.
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Already showing on the German configurator;
https://www.volkswagen.de/de/modelle-und-konfigurator/golf-gte.html#MOFA
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I think they will all get announced at the same time however we will most certainly have a GTE before any of the other models. We have also been allocated a New Tiguan R-Line which we will get towards the end of October....
Certainly huge efforts being put into these milk floats because they have been delayed and there is a lot of profit sat in those things that’s needs to go in the bank.
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Everything has gone to hell though, I've just been told that I'd have to wait six months for a focus if I ordered one this week... That makes vw look like they are quick lol.
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This is great news for us :grin:
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But 245PS :cool:
But still 200+kg heavier than a GTI.
But still using the old 6 speed DSG box.
:huh:
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It kinda makes sense.
The GTE was one of the initial mk8 launch cars alongside the non performance range.
A reflection of VW’s direction leaving the more traditionally image conscious driver focussed models to be drip fed in later to keep it all ticking over.
So it’s only right the GTE follows the R-Line etc and then the GTI and R a little afterwards allowing Audi to slip the S3 in.
I’m sure Mr Chapple has booked his slot, I look forward to seeing his impressions soon!
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I wonder what the price differential between this and the GTi will be? In Germany the GTE is approximately €4k more than the GTi DSG. Hopefully we won't see that much of a difference over here, otherwise it's hard to think of a case for buying one over a GTi. If it's just for the fuel savings, €4k buys a lot of fuel. Presumably it's just aimed at company car drivers that aren't ready for full electric? :undecided:
Mk7.5 GTE Advance was £1k more than GTi Performance with DSG.
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The GTE *used* to be a good company car choice if you wanted to keep costs down.
Its not any more since they changed the taxation regime for company cars - basically you pay income tax on the monthly payment OR the CO2 tax, whichever is the higher.
Only fully electric get you any tax advantage (at the moment).
A guy a my work used to have a Mk7 GTE, even he decided it was a poor choice back when it was a cheap choice. Poor electric range, no real performance and "self charging" mode drank fuel like it had a 2 inch hole in the bottom of the fuel tank.
Hybrid...meh
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If i'm reading the info on gov.uk and the back of the brochure correctly, then BIK for the current tax year for hybrids is based on its zero emissions range as long as its combined emissions are below 50g/km. For the Mk8 GTE this is approximately 38 miles and 38g/km, resulting in a BIK charge of 12%.
The Mk8 GTi has an emissions output of 149 g/km, making the BIK charge 34%.
Based on that i'd say you're going to be paying far less tax on a GTE than a GTi, even with a big difference in list price. If you're in the 40% tax band then the difference is even bigger.
That's before tax on fuel is taken into account.
No idea what it'll be in future years.
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But the HMRC scheme is BIK on emissions or tax rate.... whichever is the higher....
So 20% or 40% minimum...
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I'm not sure if we're at crossed purposes here. The tax you pay is calculated from the cars emissions and your tax rate.
Work out the Benefit in Kind from the list price of the vehicle including options, multiplied by the relevant %age based on its emissions. For the GTE it's 12%, for the GTi it's 34%.
Then, take the BIK figure and multiply it by your tax rate, be it 20% or 40%.
It doesn't matter which tax band you're in, a lower BIK figure will always result in paying less tax than a higher BIK figure.
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It's if there is a cash alternative...
https://www.activacontracts.co.uk/news/new-company-car-tax-explained.html
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I know this is still slightly off topic, but as a point of order I wanted to mention:
Golf Mk8 GTI emissions are:
NEDC 149 CO2 g/km
WLTP 167 CO2 g/km
Not sure if this affects BIK % but thought I’d mention it (as per figures on VW German configurator, Technical Data)
Anyway back on topic, will be interested to see GTE if it appears in October. Not sure the wheel options are to my liking, but equivalent of 245ps is impressive. It will be a chance to get some idea of the look of GTI.
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I know this is still slightly off topic, but as a point of order I wanted to mention:
Golf Mk8 GTI emissions are:
NEDC 149 CO2 g/km
WLTP 167 CO2 g/km
Not sure if this affects BIK % but thought I’d mention it (as per figures on VW German configurator, Technical Data)
Anyway back on topic, will be interested to see GTE if it appears in October. Not sure the wheel options are to my liking, but equivalent of 245ps is impressive. It will be a chance to get some idea of the look of GTI.
You're quite right, and it does affect BIK, my mistake. If the car was registered before the start of the current tax year then CO2 g/km is as per NEDC. For cars registered from 6th April 2020 onwards WLTP applies.
As no MK8 GTE's or GTi's will have been registered before the current tax year then the only figures that matter for UK company car tax are the WLTP measurements. In which case;-
MK8 GTi = 167g/km to 174g/km (36% BIK for TY 2020/21)
MK8 GTE = 36g/km (10% BIK for TY 2020/21)
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It's if there is a cash alternative...
https://www.activacontracts.co.uk/news/new-company-car-tax-explained.html
That does not apply to cars with a CO2 output of 75g/km or less. Since the MK8 GTE is only 36/g/km it is exempt.
https://www.gov.uk/calculate-tax-on-company-cars
Example (using German configurator prices converted into £ at current exchange rate);-
MK8 GTE = £37,153
As it has an electric only range of 38 miles, BIK %age based on 36g/km for 2020/21 = 10%
BIK = £3,715.30
Tax at 20% = £743.06
Tax at 40% = £1,486.12
MK8 GTi = £33,533
BIK %age based on 167g/km for 2020/21 = 36%
BIK = £12,071.92
Tax at 20% = £2,414.38
Tax at 40% = £4,828.77
https://www.nextgreencar.com/company-car-tax/bik-rates/
The GTi is not exempt from the 'company car in lieu of remuneration', but it makes no difference anyway unless you would have received a car allowance of over £12k per year, which is going to exclude most people.
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I've never seen a company car allowance based on bik.... It doesn't work like that anywhere I've worked. It's normally x amount a month for the lease etc and you pick up the tax implications.
A gte and a gte will be roughly the same in terms of car allowance, just one will be murder on your tax bill.
I didn't know any hybrids were exempt of the daft company car killer nonsense they changed it too though.
Hmrc made no secret that they wanted company cars wiped out and they pretty much succeeded.
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I've never seen a company car allowance based on bik.... It doesn't work like that anywhere I've worked. It's normally x amount a month for the lease etc and you pick up the tax implications.
A gte and a gte will be roughly the same in terms of car allowance, just one will be murder on your tax bill.
I didn't know any hybrids were exempt of the daft company car killer nonsense they changed it too though.
Hmrc made no secret that they wanted company cars wiped out and they pretty much succeeded.
different car schemes will produce different results. For example in local government where I do the company cars we don't have any contribution towards the car so it's worked on how guzzle first said, list price and co2s etc.
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Agreed, car allowance and company car BIK are separate.
Car allowance will be set by your employer. Usually on the basis of some kind of salary band or grading system.
BIK is dictated by HMRC as a consequence of whatever company car one chooses.
If you have no cash alternative to the company car, you are taxed on the BIK at the applicable income tax rate.
If you take a cash allowance you pay income tax and NI on it at the applicable rate.
If you have a choice of a cash allowance or a company car, and you choose the car, you will pay tax on the higher figure of the cash allowance or the BIK, unless you choose a company car with emissions of no more than 75g/km.
Which brings me back to my original point. As a company car driver, there is a clear financial benefit to choosing the GTE over the GTi. There is a lot less tax to pay.
If you are a private buyer, the GTE is unlikely to ever save you any money, as the savings in fuel are potentially going to be eaten up by the significantly higher initial outlay. This would be compounded by the GTE also being much closer to the £40k luxury vehicle tax rate, potentially meaning an extra £325 per year in tax if you tick a few options.
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Autogefuhl review just showed up in my YouTube feed
https://youtu.be/XdPciVEVjV8
Thomas mentions about the GTE being 'cheaper' than the GTi even though the GTE has a higher list price :undecided:
Will need to look more closely at the specs. :nerd:
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Absolutely if I was still on the car scheme though, I'd definitely pick a fully electric vehicle though. You'd be mad not too. It's totally tax free, as a higher rate tax payer you'd almost get the thing half price. It's a massive incentive they are dangling, instead of a punishment, why wouldn't you take it?
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Autogefuhl review just showed up in my YouTube feed
https://youtu.be/XdPciVEVjV8
Thomas mentions about the GTE being 'cheaper' than the GTi even though the GTE has a higher list price :undecided:
Will need to look more closely at the specs. :nerd:
Oh excellent, I will settle down to watch that review.
From a distant memory, I think I recall seeing that a France and Germany had introduced big incentives for electric/hybrid vehicles as part of post Covid-19 recovery plan. Think it might be something like 6,000. -8,000 Euros per car. ( don’t quote me ) but that maybe what Thomas means by being cheaper.
(Therefore being cynic.....will resources go into France/German orders and UK will have to wait ages for orders)
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Absolutely if I was still on the car scheme though, I'd definitely pick a fully electric vehicle though. You'd be mad not too. It's totally tax free, as a higher rate tax payer you'd almost get the thing half price. It's a massive incentive they are dangling, instead of a punishment, why wouldn't you take it?
it's only tax free this year but it's only 1% and then 2% in the next year's so it's still a good deal. I got a quote for an Audi e-tron for a laugh on my work scheme and it was £500 gross deduction which was about £310 ish net. Surprised it was that cheap to be honest.
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Now starting to appear at UK dealers
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I guess I should go take a look... because about 95% of that will be the same as the GTI.
Those pictures don't fill me with joy though I have to say.
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Yeah, the little wheels, the tall springs and the dark blue paint all not helping. GTi should look more purposeful though.
Have to say i'm not really loving any of the performance Golf wheels for the Mk8. They'll do, but they're a bit underwhelming.
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Have they removed the transport pucks from the suspension? Looks far too high even with those wheels.
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The radiator looks incredibly exposed
Deffo looks like the transport pucks are still in
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The radiator looks incredibly exposed
Great minds think alike. I made a similar comment back in June on the GTI’s lower honeycomb grille - also with the same very large holes;
I don’t think the very large honeycomb shaped holes in the lower grille help the GTI’s styling. Why on earth did the honeycomb holes need to be that large? Leaves the radiator and a/c condenser very exposed to damage from flying stones and other road debris. A grill with a smaller, more subtle honeycomb pattern would have looked better IMO, and provided more protection.
Hopefully VW will have a large stock of radiators and condensers available for when owners need replacements.
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This is not getting any better, that looks awful, yes the colour and wheels on this actual car are bland but this shares a lot of features with the GTI surely?
This will need some incentives to sell in such a competitive market, like many I am a loyal GTI person but I’m struggling to justify the change from the 7.5 which I believe to be fantastic even against newer rivals.
So what I’ll probably end up doing is visiting BMW looking at an M135i then ordering a GTI because I’ve always owned one (Watch VW marketing kick back, feet up on the desk and the words “I told you so” will be spoken)
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Hmm, you could be right about the transport pucks. I don't know, hard to tell. But the GTE does ride on taller springs. Here is another photo but this time on 18 inch wheels rather than 17's and the arch gap still looks pretty huge;
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I don't know if its just the colour or because its a direct head on picture but the grille looks totally out of place there.
Almost as if its been bolted on with no design concept.
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I'm guessing the large honeycomb structure for the lower grille is to do with the design of those front fog lights. Any smaller and the fog light design would be compromised, and having two different sizes of honeycomb next to each other may also look odd 🤷♂️
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Not saying either are amazing deals, but this is where the GTE potentially stacks up against the GTi;-
Mk8 GTi dsg on VW finance configurator over 4 years 10k miles p.a.
List price £34,960
Customer deposit £6,000 (£2,500 down payment + £3,500 discount)
Deposit contribution £1,250
Monthly payment × 47 @ £376.36
Total cost if handed back at 4 years £20,188.92 (assuming no equity)
To give that some vague context here is a lease cost for the new GTE dsg from What Car leasing also over 4 years 10k (GTE not on VW finance calculator yet)
List price £35,960
Initial lease payment £1,090.44
Monthly payment x 47 @ £363.48
Total lease cost after 4 years = £18,174
Or maybe that's an argument for choosing leasing over PCP? 🤷♂️
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That will be leasing vs PCP.
What you also have to consider is that a gte is nothing like a gti to drive . It's not even as much fun as a gtd.
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What you also have to consider is that a gte is nothing like a gti to drive . It's not even as much fun as a gtd.
Agreed. If the GTE could match the GTi for driver engagement but with lower running costs, what would be the reason to buy a GTi?
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Shame the mild hybrid 48v system didn't come to the gti though. They could have done that...
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MK8 GTE arrived and in showroom today :cool:
@vwgeeks on Twitter
More pictures to follow tomorrow
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Looks like no deposit contribution for the GTE, which combined with higher list price and smaller discounts makes it even less compelling for a private buyer.
Looks like i'll be sticking with petrol or diesel for now.
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The radiator looks incredibly exposed
Great minds think alike. I made a similar comment back in June on the GTI’s lower honeycomb grille - also with the same very large holes;
I don’t think the very large honeycomb shaped holes in the lower grille help the GTI’s styling. Why on earth did the honeycomb holes need to be that large? Leaves the radiator and a/c condenser very exposed to damage from flying stones and other road debris. A grill with a smaller, more subtle honeycomb pattern would have looked better IMO, and provided more protection.
Hopefully VW will have a large stock of radiators and condensers available for when owners need replacements.
Unfortunately stone chip impact damage to the condenser unit isn't covered by warranty - there's an£800 bill for a VW design flaw. If I was looking to buy something with a grille that open (A1 and A3 are the same), i'd be wanting some fine (3-5mm diameter holes) mesh glued or screwed to the back of it.
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On the 7/7.5 I believe that the GTI/GTD/GTE all had the same suspension set up. Seems the Mk 8 GTI has gone a bit more hard core on the suspension - do the GTD/GTE follow suit or are they softer?
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GTE does not sit on lowered suspension like the GTi and GTD. It is stiffened but sits on taller springs.
In the Autogefuhl video Thomas describes it as being not as stiff as the GTi, somewhere between that and the normal Golf.
The Mk7 GTE did not have lowered suspension either.
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On the Mk7 I saw with my own eyes a GTE, my GTD and an R parked next to each other in a carpark.
The GTE roof was higher than my GTD and the R lower than the GTD.
I don't suppose that has changed on the MK8.
For all of the raw numbers, the GTE is not in the same league as the GTD/GTI/R. Its very much more a normal golf.
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In raw numbers the GTE is about half a second quicker to 60 mph than the GTD, but most of that advantage will be off the line.
Odd thing about the GTE, it comes on 17 inch wheels, you have to pay extra for 18's and 19's can't be specced at all. Yet Octavia vRS iV with the same running gear comes with 19's as standard.
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I'm running a Mk 8 Golf GTE demonstrator for a wk at the moment. Thankfully this is wearing the factory option 18" wheels (as they look 100 times better and fill the arches much more convincingly). In terms of ride I would say it was just about perfectly judged (the car does not have DCC) on the 18s - it is firm, definitely, but not crashy, and the damping is excellent.
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On the 7/7.5 I believe that the GTI/GTD/GTE all had the same suspension set up. Seems the Mk 8 GTI has gone a bit more hard core on the suspension - do the GTD/GTE follow suit or are they softer?
GTD and GTI sit on the same suspension, just the GTE is different.
Same on my 330e - despite it being M Sport, it doesn't have the lower M suspension. Must be just a hybrid thing.
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On the 7/7.5 I believe that the GTI/GTD/GTE all had the same suspension set up. Seems the Mk 8 GTI has gone a bit more hard core on the suspension - do the GTD/GTE follow suit or are they softer?
GTD and GTI sit on the same suspension, just the GTE is different.
Same on my 330e - despite it being M Sport, it doesn't have the lower M suspension. Must be just a hybrid thing.
Interesting on the configurator that you can only spec DCC on the GTD for 19" wheels whereas on the GTI you can spec DCC on both 18" and 19".
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I think that's a case of UK configurator foibles strike again.
There's nothing in the brochure to state you can only have DCC with 19's, and you can add it on the German configurator no problem 🤷♂️
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Same on my 330e - despite it being M Sport, it doesn't have the lower M suspension. Must be just a hybrid thing.
Its all the junk in the trunk :whistle:
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Same on my 330e - despite it being M Sport, it doesn't have the lower M suspension. Must be just a hybrid thing.
Its all the junk in the trunk :whistle:
It is junk at the moment as not allowed to charge them up!! :whistle:
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How come?
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How come?
This.... :shocked:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/bmw-recalls-all-plug-hybrid-models-due-battery-fire-risk
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How come?
This.... :shocked:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/bmw-recalls-all-plug-hybrid-models-due-battery-fire-risk
Oh no, that isn’t good. There seems to have been a spate of recalls from manufacturers on hybrids over possible fire risk. BMW, Ford, Hyundai
Do you have an idea when you’ll be called in for a fix to be undertaken. Are BMW offering you any compensation like Ford seem to be
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How come?
This.... :shocked:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/bmw-recalls-all-plug-hybrid-models-due-battery-fire-risk
Oh no, that isn’t good. There seems to have been a spate of recalls from manufacturers on hybrids over possible fire risk. BMW, Ford, Hyundai
Do you have an idea when you’ll be called in for a fix to be undertaken. Are BMW offering you any compensation like Ford seem to be
I read that its exactly same issue as Ford as they used same manufacturer. They are supposedly offering £350 goodwill but I have to go through Leaseplan (who are useless). Seems like Ford are just issuing £500 fuel cards. It's a pain as normally don't use much fuel at all but used a tank and half in last 4 weeks.
And no fix in sight. Sounds like Ford are replacing the whole battery pack on their models so BMW will no doubt have to do the same.
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Yikes!
Big batteries often have problems though, we have had some serious issues with ones we use for industrial machinery.
But don't worry, we've only ever had one fire and our extinguisher systems dealt with it quickly.
Have you thought about a halon system for the boot of your car? :laugh:
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Yikes!
Big batteries often have problems though, we have had some serious issues with ones we use for industrial machinery.
But don't worry, we've only ever had one fire and our extinguisher systems dealt with it quickly.
Have you thought about a halon system for the boot of your car? :laugh:
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Tested the GTE today!, pretty Impressive car!!. So much better and faster than the previous GTE :smiley:
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CH2z_DbHQ80/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link (https://www.instagram.com/tv/CH2z_DbHQ80/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link)
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Is that what you're having next Wide? :smiley:
How does the price compare to the GTi in Sweden? In the UK the GTE is more expensive than the GTi.
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Is that what you're having next Wide? :smiley:
How does the price compare to the GTi in Sweden? In the UK the GTE is more expensive than the GTi.
No i don´t think so :wink:, need a faster one..
But this is the most fun a can get as a company car... :cool:
It cost like 7000 £ more than a GTI, but you get some less tax....but think it will be pretty expensive to drive anyway.. :sad:
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Volkswizard GTE review
https://youtu.be/EIjH2jgCsNc
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Just watched this and he doesn’t seem impressed at all. He makes a good point about waiting for the hotter ID cars.
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Depends what you want I suppose. The base ID3 starts at £30k after the grant and is about 40ps down on the GTE and GTi. The current range topping ID3 is already well over £40k.
I don't think his comment about the 'extra drive train for £1k' tells the full story either. Yes you get an extra drive train, but that petrol drive train is 100ps down, there's no diff and you get little casters that don't fill the arches. :undecided:
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In short, if you want a car that's like a GTi, but economy is more important than outright performance, then take a look at the GTD. Over £3k less than a GTE, which pays for an awful lot of fuel. You also get proper suspension and much better looking wheels.
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And no option for a spacesaver.
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And no option for a spacesaver.
Does anyone actually choose to have one these days? Most cars don't come with them now and many more don't even have the space if you wanted to buy one.
I guess its all about weight reduction (co2).
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Regarding the GTE, I can't recall a review of a car for some time, where my expectations were so far from reality... not for me, thanks!
Ref the id3 and price, they seem a bit of a deal at the moment? A neighbour has picked up a "first" edition, dealers were offering delivery miles cars for £30k for a while, probably still there with a gentle haggle?
Whether it is mk8 or id3, I will wait until we are well into the production run to assure any teething issues are resolved?
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I probably do around 16k miles a year in 3 different cars.
I think the last time I changed a tyre by the roadside was around 15 years ago.
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And no option for a spacesaver.
Does anyone actually choose to have one these days? Most cars don't come with them now and many more don't even have the space if you wanted to buy one.
I guess its all about weight reduction (co2).
I do - I wouldn't buy a car without one.
I can understand them not coming as standard (C02 and all that) but there should be a space to secure one if you want to add.