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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: fredgroves on 29 June 2020, 15:59
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With all of the talk about electric cars, I wonder, just how far do you daily/regularly use your Mk7 in 24hrs? (ie before going to bed and leaving it for 8 hours minimum)
And I mean daily, not when you decide to pick up a new bottle of wine from the South of France or visit your mother in law in Warsaw.
Just curious here as to what sort of range would make you an electric convert.
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My wife uses our for work. She works two miles from where we live.....
And she's been "working from home" for the last three months !
The car has done 1300 miles from new and we will have had it a year next month...!!
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Fred, is that at the moment (with some of us still working from home) or PC (pre coronavirus) ?
My daily mileage before (normally) was around 30 miles per day, and now I'm lucky if it's 30 miles per fortnight ;D
My GTI is nearly 26 months old and has just ticked over 14k miles, so maybe yes an EV is in my future.
However my worry, is when we all go EV, where does the power come from to charge them (we are already at almost max capacity as a nation)?
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I rarely do more than 50 miles a day, but it's as much about infrastructure and charging speed, rather than vehicle range, that will be the tipping point for me.
Once chargers are as common as petrol pumps, and can charge a significant amount in 15 minutes, I'll happily get an electric car. I'd be happy with the sort of range that the best EV's can already achieve in summer.
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Back in the olden days when going to an office was a thing... my commute was 13-miles each way.
I could easily live with an electric car and did seriously consider it. I even considered a Golf GTE while looking at the GTi. I changed cars because of a change in job and therefore commute (26 miles a day instead of 80), and went from on-site parking to public car parks, so wanted something smaller. Man-maths also justified something less economical because of the reduced mileage.
But I still need something with 5-doors and a boot. Anything in the electric world I'd want to live with and would enjoy driving is significantly more expensive, and things like the GTE wouldn't save enough money to justify having to plug it in every day.
I'll probably make the move next time around if finances allow.
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Mine also gets used rarely now due to lockdown/wfh :sad: Some nice runs out last week though as I was on leave and there are a few places opening up so that made a pleasant change.
As for electric cars, for most of our driving needs one would work. But, we do lots of UK based holidays and I don't think one would be suitable, the places we stay at wouldn't have any charging facilities not to mention the difficulties with street parking or in car parks as we often have to. ICEs are still the only real practical choice, afterall, when you spend 10s of thousands of £s on a car you sort of want it to be ready to use when you want it to be, not when it's batteries say they are.
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Not doing anything at the moment but prior to Lockdown, 16 miles round trip a day? 5/6 times a week. not much at all
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Not doing anything at the moment but prior to Lockdown, 16 miles round trip a day? 5/6 times a week. not much at all
Same here. Got the car 1st March, it's only recently got over 1000 miles and that's due to purposely trying to do some long journeys.
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I’d happily dump running two cars (diesel commuter and GTI semi-commuter split between three of us) and embrace EV life, but there’s nothing that appeals to me enough.
The Mini Cooper S Electric comes extremely close but having driven one it didn’t quite convince me.
With kids flying the nest in rapid succession I no longer need two cars or even rear seats very often these days so I’m open to almost any suggestion “just for a change” but as yet there’s nothing out there that has my name on it.
The Cooper SE has performance and handling, build quality and arguably looks too, but...
What would sway me would be near Tesla performance but not something that looks like a 1980’s Ford Sierra and is too big for my needs. Oh, and that said a Tesla costs too much for me and I don’t get company car allowance so there’s no tax dodging to be had either.
Hopefully someone will come up with a hot hatch EV in the near-ish future that’s not hideously ugly or too expensive.
PHEV’s have no appeal to me but I’d consider a Golf R or similar with a 48v assisted propulsion unit just for hoots and overtaking traaaaactors.
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Daily commute to work. 70km each way 6 days a week. Ireland has little to none electric charging capacity outside of Dublin so it’s a total non runner at the moment. I’ll be petrol powered anyway until the government rule time to do otherwise. Was an essential worker so was working the same throughout the pandemic.
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There's nothing full-electric at the lower end which looks good but that ID3 could be appealing.
Looking at peoples journeys, I think electric will suit a lot of people most of the time but decent looking electric cars are limited and expensive still.
I went PHEV purely for company car BIK reasons but I like the ability for a larger petrol range and electric round town as my commute when we move in a month (and when I go back to the office) will be 5 miles each way so the 25-30 miles range of my 330e will suit me well with a combined range of at least around 300 or so miles as and when required.
Plus I still have something that makes a GTI sound rather dull and boring... :grin:
(https://i.postimg.cc/5NNjj91d/CC4-D2389-99-F6-4-F3-D-BD74-51-FDF05506-ED.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/WtCsHvhX)
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Yes I did mean pre-virus times really.
And in my mind I was kinda talking about the scenario of daily use involving charging at home while you sleep.
I am starting to think that a 200 mile range would probably be good enough for me.
Charging while out and about I think might be a bit of a red herring for now, which is why I discounted the trips to Warsaw ;-)
The choices of vehicles is probably another issue, but pretty soon that's basically the only choice, so tupperware milkfloats for all...
BTW this thread popped into my mind when i was typing another comment earlier about there being no Mk9 Golf. This is it, Mk8 is the end. Its all ID3 from here on out.
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Where has it been said there won't be a Mk9?
https://www.vwvortex.com/news/volkswagen-news/will-mk9-golf-says-volkswagen/
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VW themselves said it and that article doesn't really deny it either...
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Mines 18 months old with 6800 on the clock, lowest mileage I’ve ever done in a car (used to do over x4 that pa in a previous role). I was made a homeworker 3 months after I bought it, so all journeys now are mostly just for the hell of it, which is sort of nice.
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VW themselves said it and that article doesn't really deny it either...
Must've missed that announcement. Google throws out nothing either :undecided:
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VW themselves said it and that article doesn't really deny it either...
Must've missed that announcement. Google throws out nothing either :undecided:
Try this one:
https://www.electrive.com/2018/12/04/volkswagen-to-stop-building-on-fossil-fuel-engines-from-2026/
from that:
“In the year 2016 the last product based on a combustion platform will be started.” He added that the corporation would see its future in the electric drive.
Yet this does not mean that VW will stop building cars with combustion engines that year. The company thinks in seven-year development cycles so when the engineers in Wolfsburg take to the drawing board in 2025, it will be the last time they may include a fossil-fuel powered engine.
This means the last ICEs by Volkswagen will probably be sold around 2030. It is a sort of holding out as long as they can because after that year more and more countries will begin to ban sales of such vehicles anyway.
The article goes on to say that hybrids aren't where VW is going either.
We know there won't be a Mk8 E-golf, so putting all of that together, 2030 will be the last Golf.
In 8/9 years there won't be a Mk9, I think you will see a Mk8.5 (facelift) and that is it.
Golf is the past ID3 is the future and thats exactly how VW framed it - ID1 was the Beetle, ID2 was the Golf, ID3 is the next peoples' car.
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Hmmm I wouldn't say that was completely unequivocal about a Mk9 either. All it says is that VW will stop developing ICE in 2026.
The article I posted was written after that also quoted VW, and suggested VW hadn't made a decision.
Anyway I suppose we'll see.
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My wife uses our for work. She works two miles from where we live.....
And she's been "working from home" for the last three months !
The car has done 1300 miles from new and we will have had it a year next month...!!
Almost the same here, just. checked 1284 miles since September last year. Wouldn't have normally been this low.
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Fred, is that at the moment (with some of us still working from home) or PC (pre coronavirus) ?
My daily mileage before (normally) was around 30 miles per day, and now I'm lucky if it's 30 miles per fortnight ;D
My GTI is nearly 26 months old and has just ticked over 14k miles, so maybe yes an EV is in my future.
However my worry, is when we all go EV, where does the power come from to charge them (we are already at almost max capacity as a nation)?
I actually have no qualms about moving to electric as having seen the performance that can be produced there is no reason cannot have an equal experience to now in an electric - however, this is not a country where we all have drives and can just pull up to house and plug it in - Have a nice house, on a nice street but thats where car sits at night as have no drive and sometimes have to park further down the street, no way can be charged at night unless there was a street point for every car which would be an ugly affair anyway.
Battery technology needs to get to the point where you can pull up like you do for petrol into a garage bay, spend 5 mins charging and off you go again, complemented by improved self charging from the moving parts and even super efficient roofs that double up as solar panels (have to be as light and as hard as present roofs)
Electric tech has come on a load, but it is still only usuable for a few in this country.
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My mileage year on year is 9000 miles, the variable to that is quite low, though this year reckon it will be 6-6.5k
The daily mileage is a huge variable, can be just a few as pop around corner to 100 + mainly as family, friend and grassroots sport contribution varies (pre-covid)
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Battery technology needs to get to the point where you can pull up like you do for petrol into a garage bay, spend 5 mins charging and off you go again, complemented by improved self charging from the moving parts and even super efficient roofs that double up as solar panels (have to be as light and as hard as present roofs)
I read somewhere a few weeks ago where it was said there were more charging points now than there were filling stations. Of course they didn't mention that hundreds of ICE cars could be refuelled in the same time as one electric car :rolleyes:
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Each month I generally do:
20-30+ 5-10mile round trips (Local A/B roads)
8-10x 45mile round trips (Mainly A-Road)
2x 380mile round weekend away trips (Mainly Motorway)
... which is a mix of driving, and why the GTI for me is such a good Swiss-army knife (and why I specced as I did).
I've mulled over the move to electric, but those long weekend away trips require very fast charging which is only viably available (on my route) with Tesla, and that's cost prohibitive for me. I'm not yet willing to finance/pay £20k more for a car, which has worse residual trade values, and after fuel savings offers no financial incentive to recoup.
I totally understand this move is not financial led, it's environment led, but IMO you can't do one without the other. The infrastructure isn't where I need it to be yet, the hardware is too expensive, and that's before the Govt start to tax electric heavily once the shift from fossil fuels starts and they lose all those billions of pounds into the treasury from petrol/diesel sales.
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Battery technology needs to get to the point where you can pull up like you do for petrol into a garage bay, spend 5 mins charging and off you go again, complemented by improved self charging from the moving parts and even super efficient roofs that double up as solar panels (have to be as light and as hard as present roofs)
I read somewhere a few weeks ago where it was said there were more charging points now than there were filling stations. Of course they didn't mention that hundreds of ICE cars could be refuelled in the same time as one electric car :rolleyes:
And an important consideration is that currently, relatively few of those charging points are the rapid or ultra-rapid type, so time to recharge would be a consideration for some owners.
Interesting article on electric car UK charging points at the link below;
https://www.zap-map.com/statistics/
My next car is unlikely to be electric. The one after that? - probably yes, but that’ll not be for at least another 5 - 6 years or so.
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Battery technology needs to get to the point where you can pull up like you do for petrol into a garage bay, spend 5 mins charging and off you go again, complemented by improved self charging from the moving parts and even super efficient roofs that double up as solar panels (have to be as light and as hard as present roofs)
I read somewhere a few weeks ago where it was said there were more charging points now than there were filling stations. Of course they didn't mention that hundreds of ICE cars could be refuelled in the same time as one electric car :rolleyes:
And an important consideration is that currently, relatively few of those charging points are the rapid or ultra-rapid type, so time to recharge would be a consideration for some owners.
Interesting article on electric car UK charging points at the link below;
https://www.zap-map.com/statistics/
My next car is unlikely to be electric. The one after that? - probably yes, but that’ll not be for at least another 5 - 6 years or so.
Definitely needs better infrastructure if more people are going to switch.
I read the new Taycan can recharge to get 60 miles in around 4 mins but that's only using an 800v, 350KW fast charger of which I imagine there aren't many in the UK!
Got to say driving around town on electric in my 330e is very enjoyable.
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We've got a fastned charger up here in Sunderland and that's 150kw soon to be 350kw apparently.