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Model specific boards => Golf mk8 => Topic started by: Panelpin on 31 May 2020, 21:29
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https://www.carbuyer.co.uk/news/172657/new-volkswagen-golf-gtd-mk8-vs-ford-focus-st-diesel-specs-comparison?_mout=1&utm_campaign=autoexpress_sunday_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter
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"we'll hold off saying pretty much anything until both cars are actually available" lol
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VW may have dumbed down the cabin quality on the Mk8, but it's still a notch or three above the cabin in that Focus. I was really disappointed when I looked at the Focus, even though I already knew it would feel cheap.
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A GTD with 200PS is quite an interesting proposition.
Even more so with a tuning box and still able to do 45mpg plus!
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A GTD with 200PS is quite an interesting proposition.
I'm sure every one of those extra 16 will be massively noticeable :laugh:
Probably all entirely offset by carrying round a tank of p1ss adblu
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Bearing in mind it probably makes peak power at 4000 rpm I reckon it’ll be noticeable in day to day driving. More so if it has circa 15 lb ft extra torque couple with the 7 speed DSG.
My manual GTD was too low geared in 1st and 2nd but the DSG might be a better choice.
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I've never really thought DSG on a GTD is worthwhile - and I say that after 2 of them and 120,000 miles.
The only time it would be worth it would be if you sat in traffic all day.
Otherwise its into sixth from about 35mph and thats about it until the next junction.
Certainly never feel like I am making gear changes all day.
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Hmm, ad blue & stick on Ipad.. no thanks.
Looks like mine will be with me a while yet.
Will have to look at Tuning Box / Remap once out of warranty.
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I've never really thought DSG on a GTD is worthwhile - and I say that after 2 of them and 120,000 miles.
The only time it would be worth it would be if you sat in traffic all day.
Otherwise its into sixth from about 35mph and thats about it until the next junction.
Certainly never feel like I am making gear changes all day.
My impressions of DSG in a friend’s hired GTD were that it masked that lovely torque surge when wafting around. However when my friend demonstrated it under what can best be described as ‘test conditions’ it went like a rocket and would have given the manual R I had at the time a bloody good run for its money.
I felt the lower gears were a bit too low on the manual GTD I had. Same for the R, the first two gears unnecessarily low. With 280 lb ft of torque (sorry, still can’t get used to newton meters) at 1800 rpm or so you can get away with much higher and more useable gearing for low speed work and getting up to cruising speed quickly.
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I would have to agree, the 7 speed DSG is a gem esp if you do a lot of miles which mine initially did, although for 'wafting around' I feel that it holds onto second a little too long and of course the ECO coasting works very well. Then when you want to play and drop it into sport the torque is fantastic. That said who could not use an extra bit of power from a box :whistle:
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My impressions of DSG in a friend’s hired GTD were that it masked that lovely torque surge when wafting around.
I agree - I had one for 18 months but in all honesty I don't think l I learned how to drive it properly as the torque was never particularly apparent.
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According to some random article I read the other day, the mk8 gtd is getting the pp front diff?
Does that even make any sense?
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Makes perfect sense to me.
From standstill the near 300 lb ft of torque will still light up the front tyres, but on the roll the car will have far far better traction with the diff when max torque is applied, vastly reducing the amount of brake pinching or power cutting traction control intervention when accelerating with any steering lock applied at low to medium speeds. It’ll reduce understeer loads too.
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So does this mean vw are properly considering the gtd as a drivers car? Don't get me wrong, i love my gtd but it's not a track monster by a long old way.
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Will be very interesting to drive one if 'diff' is fitted as you do have to be careful with the torque of the current (+ tuning box) car :smiley:
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My 185 BHP tramped ridiculously on its first set of tyres, improved a ton when burnt them through and the P Zero went on, but the TCR rarely tramps even wet/damp unless floor it and so not sure if the heavier GTD front end and way power is delivered added to the GTD being so trampy.
However will say that if you do high miles, want a decent performance, with super economy and amazing comfort with the DCC then the GTD is definitely your car. I was doing higher mileage than am now when had the GTD and was extremely happy with it, all the car you would ever need in reality
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GTD now showing on German configurator
https://www.volkswagen.de/de/modelle-und-konfigurator/golf-gtd.html#MOFA
Remember to turn off auto-translate 👍
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So the GTD gets an extra colour - bile yellow.
And wheels named after the massacre Ben Richards is wrongly accused of in The Running Man (one for the kids there)
The rest, is the same as the GTI.
and I don't think "Elektronische Differenzialsperre XDS" is the GTI PP LSD either.
It is 200ps now though.
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So the GTD gets an extra colour - bile yellow.
And wheels named after the massacre Ben Richards is wrongly accused of in The Running Man (one for the kids there)
The rest, is the same as the GTI.
and I don't think "Elektronische Differenzialsperre XDS" is the GTI PP LSD either.
It is 200ps now though.
XDS has been on the GTD for ages, that's nothing new.
The 'Bakersfield' wheels are also the paid option on the GTE.
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Who would buy a compact diesel car these days unless you only intend to keep for 2-3 years? I can see the case for diesel in large SUVs and pick ups, where there isn't really any other viable option.
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Low emissions? Cheap fuel?
Assuming you use it and not just drive half a mile to waitrose once a week.
Neither of those things have changed despite what some lunatics want to say.
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Fred is spot on. Most of the anti-diesel rhetoric is sentiment rather than science.
No reason not to keep one beyond 2 to 3 years; that's when the depreciation will flatten out.
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Low emissions? Cheap fuel?
Assuming you use it and not just drive half a mile to waitrose once a week.
Neither of those things have changed despite what some lunatics want to say.
cheap fuel? Diesel is more than petrol and has been for years so it's hardly a draw any more like it was years ago.
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My long term average mpg is over fifty... That's about 20% improvement over a similar sized petrol engine.
20% is a fair bit, perhaps not if your annual mileage is not four figures, but for me, yes.
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I do (or well did) 18k a year and am looking at petrol rather than diesel. Assuming I go back to the office a couple of days a week, 10 miles each way at 30/50 mph wouldn't be any good for a diesel and neither would be my 2 mile round trip to Waitrose (well Aldi....). Even with reduced commuting, I'll still be doing 14-15k a year. Concerned that over time, I'll get banned from some city centres - though remains to be seen if councils have the power to do that as goes against government guidelines.
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Choosing a petrol car over a diesel car is no guarantee that you won't be banned from driving in a city centre;-
https://www.autocar.co.uk/carnews/industry/oxford-set-introduce-city-centre-zero-emission-zone-2020
In any case, driving in busy city centres these days can be more trouble than it's worth. I avoid it wherever possible. They're full of bus lanes, pedestrianised areas, mind boggling one way systems, double yellow lines and expensive car parks.
That said, after 15+ years of driving diesel cars, unless my annual mileage increases unexpectedly and significantly, this one is likely to be my last. Unless VWFS do some special PCH deals on GTD's or Octavia vRS TDi's. Otherwise I'll probably be keeping the 7.5 GTD for a while yet though.
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Same here, looks like I shall be keeping the GTD for many years to come esp with it being Euro 6 and no Adblue.
I do not do the miles that I did but with well over 50mpg and diesel at worst being a couple of pence more expensive it still makes economical sense and is bloody quick when you want it to be :smiley:
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It’s a sign of the times that the GTE has been given the same power output as a GTI and the GTD the same as an ID.3
The new kids caught up with and soon to overtake the old stagers.
A 200PS Diesel sports hatch might no longer be the darling of the company car driver and TDI’s in general have been fallen out of love with, but there will still be a market for them albeit much reduced, possibly more country specific than ever depending on local tax rules.
If the mk8 GTD wasn’t so visually unappealing to my eyes I’d certainly have considered one.
A few of us on here have lamented the fact VW never produced a 240PS twin turbo 4wd Golf since the mk6 days. Fat chance of that ever happening nowadays which is a shame now that Diesel sport hatches are even more niche than ever once again.
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No twin-turbo TDi Golf, it's a shame that never happened. Although you can now have an Audi S4 or S5 in diesel flavour. Bit rich for my budget though :sad:
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Stratospherically out of my budget! I don’t like big saloons or estates anyway. Smallish and lightish only for me.
From what I’ve read the TDI S4 suffers a fair bit of lag which is totally what you don’t want in a fast Diesel on top of the low rev ceiling.
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A few more images i've not seen before of the grey paint;-
(https://i.postimg.cc/hj8vMDMs/DB2020-AU01689-x750.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://i.postimg.cc/vTqQScnr/DB2020-AU01690-x750.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://i.postimg.cc/dVBL8tH9/DB2020-AU01687-x750.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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Either that colour suits it (compared to that Atlantic blue we've seen a gti and a gte in) or these are photos taken with a proper camera and all of the bloating is caused by a mobile phone camera which definitely do distort something terrible.
I did think about the camera thing when we were talking about the blue gti the other day.
On the other hand, the camera won't fix the interior..
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I think you are right Fred about the camera thing. I've taken photos of my own car with the camera on my phone and it does unflatteringly alter the proportions somehow. Especially for someone like me that is a novice photographer.
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That’s far more than just a camera. Those three shots are taken from the most flattering angles by a pro.
The car has been superimposed on the background then the light reflections are enhanced by computer wizardry.
I know bugger all about photography and I can see that!
Brochure and press shots are studio taken and the backgrounds added in, ride heights etc altered to look more how the designer intended rather than the production reality.
The dull blue car in the previous shots is more like the sort of crap I’d end up taking.
A sales guy with an iPad on a day with poor lighting conditions and not much artistic flair when it comes to angles.
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I know a little about photography :laugh:
It's just motion blur, none of the usual telltales are there for digital buggery.
Two of them are tracking shots (taken from another vehicle), the side on is a panning shot.
Reasonably professional but none the less, non distorted by a cheap lens.
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That’s me told! :laugh: :grin:
I’m still not convinced those shots haven’t had more digital trickery than a girl band’s magazine shoot! :whistle:
I do get what you’re saying about lens quality though.
You could give me the world’s best gear and my photos will still be dreadful though :grin:
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Carfile are now showing prices for the Mk8 GTD.
List price £34,750
Discount £3,188.50
Deposit contribution £1,250
= £30,311.50
Spec looks identical to the GTi, but with the 18 inch Bakersfield wheels replacing the Richmond's on the GTi.
https://www.carfile.net/buy-your-car/volkswagen/golf_hatchback/20_tdi_gtd_5dr_dsg/95328.html
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OK scratch that last post. Coast2Coastcars.co.uk showing the GTD dsg as;-
List price £32,790
Discount £4,598 (14% including £1,250 deposit contribution)
Discounted price £28,192
Doesn't seem too bad to me for those that still believe in diesel 🤷♂️
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Great early discount on the GTD.
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Discount to be had too from www.drivethedeal.com for the GTi
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GTD now on the UK configurator
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Good spot!
Brochure updated too. Spec exactly the same as GTi except wheel design and grey/silver accents instead of red. As expected no manual gearbox available.
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Why 'as expected'?
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Mk7 GTD lost the manual gearbox option some time ago and VW is slowly eroding the number of cars it offers with a manual box. Even the 150ps diesel is dsg only in the Mk8.
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It's all to do with the wltp testing for manual gearboxes....it always comes out worse than the auto, which drags down vag's emissions figures which at some point is likely to cost them billions in euros as fines...
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Many people still buy the GTD in the UK?. Sweden will not for the first time not sell the GTD at all, no customers is interested in diesel anymore. :smiley:
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Ok thanks, understood. Shame, as the golf ball nawb was 'iconic' (whatever that means...….). Mind you, the golf ball seems to have half gone in the Mk 8 manual GTI anyway.
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I don't know about the current situation with gtd's but with the mk7 they sold far more than R's and gti's put together.
It was partly to do with company car tax rules but also generally the UK government had massively encouraged everyone to buy oil burners to reduce Co2 emissions. They technically weren't wrong to do so either. We're only where we are now on opinion on diesel because of various people making noise about it. Euro 6 oil burners are perfectly clean.
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They're still quite a bit more economical than the GTi and a few grand cheaper to buy than both the GTi and the GTE.
They're a bit further away from the £40k luxury VED band too.
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They're still quite a bit more economical than the GTi and a few grand cheaper to buy than both the GTi and the GTE.
They're a bit further away from the £40k luxury VED band too.
Cheaper the GTD?, in Germany the GTI is cheaper than the GTD... :).
Think we in Sweden have the Cheapest Mk8 GTi in Europe, 31 000 Pounds ( and probably 8% of that in discount ), and it is loaded with option from start...Pretty Crazy :whistle:
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Yeah VW take different approaches to pricing in different markets. All based on local taxation and what they think each market will bear. UK is as follows;-
GTD dsg £32,790
GTi manual £33,460
GTi dsg £34,960
GTE dsg £35,960
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In Ireland
GTI Manual €44,220
GTI DSG €45,940
GTD DSG €46,335
GTE tbc
These prices will increase on 1st January when new VRT ( protectionist tariff ) rates kick in and will add approx €1k onto the price of new cars. Specification will be lower in Ireland too.
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GTD now on the UK finance calculator.
GFV at 3 years and 10k p.a. miles is £15,516.90.
A £3k customer deposit generates monthly payments of £471.21 before options or discount.
By comparison a GTi DSG has a GFV of £16,416 at 3 years with monthlies of £514.44
I appreciate some on here wouldn't consider the GTD under any circumstances, but it still makes some sense if you're in it to save some cash and you plan to hand it back at the end of the agreement.
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2k difference in purchase price (GTI vs GTD) but only 900 quid in GFV....
Reflects oil burning negativity...
Still cheaper though!
If I didn't think some loony council was about to ban me from their town/city in the next 3 years, I might be still thinking about a GTD. It definitely would in reality pollute less and cost less in fuel too.
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£20k to borrow a GTD for 3 years :huh:
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Well £16k if you bag a broker size discount :nerd:
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Yes i don't think it's much different to the price i got back in 2017 on my current gtd. Which tbh me felt was entirely reasonable.
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Looks like red brake calipers as standard now, but no mention of the GTi's diff. :sad:
https://www.volkswagen-newsroom.com/en/the-new-golf-gtd-6550
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First sort of review here:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/volkswagen/golf-gtd/first-drives/volkswagen-golf-gtd-2020-review
No real shockers there, except they also are talking about the ride being harsher than before...
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They also mention the ride being harsher in the R Line too, as that also gets sports suspension. At least the standard wheels are only 17's
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/volkswagen/golf/first-drives/volkswagen-golf-15-etsi-150-r-line-dsg-2020-uk-review
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GTD leases now available.
£342.66 per month, 1 month upfront. 3 year deal, 10k miles p.a.
https://www.whatcar.com/car-leasing/deals/volkswagen/golf-diesel-hatchback/20-tdi-200-gtd-5dr-dsg/3896154/77953527/
Doesn't seem too bad to me :huh:
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Autocar GTD review
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/volkswagen/first-drives/volkswagen-golf-gtd-2021-uk-review
Can't remember if we discussed the GTD having the VAQ diff from the GTi before. But apparently it has.
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I think i mentioned the vaq at some point in the past but possibly questioned if the piece I pulled it from was correct.
Definitely sounds like it's a better gtd than the previous one but I felt like despite all of the financial and environmental reasons to choose it, the hysteria about diesel meant I'd be penalised for doing it.
So instead I'm creating more pollution for greater cost. I'm sure that makes sense...
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I'm in the same boat, Fred. My annual mileage (even post COVID) will merit a diesel but I'm worried about being banned from city centres.
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I'm in the same boat, Fred. My annual mileage (even post COVID) will merit a diesel but I'm worried about being banned from city centres.
Yes and TBH I felt like that BEFORE covid, thats only made the choice away from diesel even more so - I am seriously concerned about DPF clogging these days!
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A good review of the GTD there. Despite the fickle political wholesale crucifixion of Diesels that car looks to have properly come of age (whilst ignoring the mk8 interior foibles).
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Ahhh found it further back up this very thread :)
According to some random article I read the other day, the mk8 gtd is getting the pp front diff?
Does that even make any sense?
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I'm in the same boat, Fred. My annual mileage (even post COVID) will merit a diesel but I'm worried about being banned from city centres.
if it's ULEZ compliant does it not mean it can go into city centres?
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I'm in the same boat, Fred. My annual mileage (even post COVID) will merit a diesel but I'm worried about being banned from city centres.
if it's ULEZ compliant does it not mean it can go into city centres?
Depends which city... They all make their own rules and some have already straight up banned diesel of any kind. Bristol being one.
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I'm in the same boat, Fred. My annual mileage (even post COVID) will merit a diesel but I'm worried about being banned from city centres.
if it's ULEZ compliant does it not mean it can go into city centres?
Depends which city... They all make their own rules and some have already straight up banned diesel of any kind. Bristol being one.
I may be wrong but I don't think Bristol have actually banned diesels. They said they were going to but I'm not sure they have the power to do as it is not in line with Government policy. However given that I tend to buy new and keep for about 10 years, I'm not willing to take the chance.
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No, looking at Google it seems they decided they didn't need to do anything because covid has cleared the air....
It's definitely heading that way elsewhere and I'm not about to invest a pile of money into a car I can't take places... Assuming we go anywhere ever again...
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I think it was Oxford that said they were going to ban both diesel AND petrol cars. :sick:
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Jaguar to be all-electric by 2025 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56072019
If this is a sign of things imminently then most ICE cars will be worth peanuts by the time their PCP is up (except drift mode R’s and classics)
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Jaguar to be all-electric by 2025 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56072019
If this is a sign of things imminently then most ICE cars will be worth peanuts by the time their PCP is up (except drift mode R’s and classics)
Could be worth heck of a lot more. For many people and for many reasons, EVs do not work. At least not until technology moves on quite a bit further. Demand for ICE cars on the second hand market likely to increase when there are fewer being sold new.
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I think it's largely impossible to say about the trend for second hand cars but one thing is for sure, new ice vehicle sales will fall off rapidly.
The second hand market will follow to some degree with a lag built in.
The biggest problem with electric other than range/charging is the cost of the new cars at the moment. There are plenty of expensive ones and no cheap options.
I still think the tax black hole "solution" is more likely to kill motoring though far more so than anything else. The government is pretty desperate for money and motorists are an easy target as always.
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Could be worth heck of a lot more. For many people and for many reasons, EVs do not work. At least not until technology moves on quite a bit further. Demand for ICE cars on the second hand market likely to increase when there are fewer being sold new.
Depends on the area of the market I reckon, and I don’t think there will be clear boundaries in the near future.
I totally agree that EV’s don’t work for many people. For starters theres the issue of where people are going to charge the things if they don’t have driveways or even whether they can get an electric supply to their driveway (not always a given). Then there’s the high cost of EV’s for private buyers, range, blah blah blah.
But the public shift to looking at EV’s shouldn’t be underestimated, most ‘normal’ people I know (people not really interested in cars) are very much paying attention to EV’s and hybrids. Advertising is constantly bombarding them/us with it for a start.
Personally I think the shift to EV’s will quickly snowball.
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I still think road pricing when it comes (and EV's will make it come) will radically change car use.... could easily drive a lot of people off of the road and they will never buy a car at all.
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Could be worth heck of a lot more. For many people and for many reasons, EVs do not work. At least not until technology moves on quite a bit further. Demand for ICE cars on the second hand market likely to increase when there are fewer being sold new.
Depends on the area of the market I reckon, and I don’t think there will be clear boundaries in the near future.
I totally agree that EV’s don’t work for many people. For starters theres the issue of where people are going to charge the things if they don’t have driveways or even whether they can get an electric supply to their driveway (not always a given). Then there’s the high cost of EV’s for private buyers, range, blah blah blah.
But the public shift to looking at EV’s shouldn’t be underestimated, most ‘normal’ people I know (people not really interested in cars) are very much paying attention to EV’s and hybrids. Advertising is constantly bombarding them/us with it for a start.
Personally I think the shift to EV’s will quickly snowball.
You might be right. I come across quite a wide range of people which would include 'metropolitan middle class' types who might be looking to swap their BMW & Passat estates for EVs. On the other hand, I know farmers who have off road diesel vehicles for towing and 4x4 use - are there EVs they can readily jump into? For their purposes, may be not yet, though I see Land Rover are going 'fully electric' by the end of the decade so maybe there will be soon (how does that suit the Army, though?). Then I have friends who earn not much more than min wage and struggle to keep a 20 year old car on the road - what do they do? I don't think this move to EVs has been properly thought through.
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The whole EV thing is aimed at the metropolitan middle classes who clog up the roads with a school run in their company funded 4WD leviathan before heading to their office in the city centre in an urban crawl. This isn’t an exclusively UK thing but our cramped isle doesn’t lend itself well to dealing with urban pollution.
The rest of us are just pawns.
Naturally we all welcome a huge cut in pollution, I can remember walking to school past a mile or two of queuing commuter traffic belching out unfiltered leaded petrol fumes, no wonder my brain is buggered.
As for farmers, I know a good few, the older generation are very money savvy tight arses and their offspring love big expensive machinery bought/leased on low interest finance.
Farmers have plenty of space to put in solar panels powering old commercial vehicle batteries to store and enjoy free EV fuel, it’s not as if their vehicles go that far. Older Diesel machinery will last many years yet and electric powered farm vehicles would be perfect with masses of instant torque and minimal serviceable working parts.
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Not for time to watch it myself for a few days but Autogefüel have a review of the GTD
https://youtu.be/8IxV8omYVJc
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He says no vaq diff on the gtd... He also mentions that in Germany the gtd is more expensive than the gti?
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Enjoyed that review as I’m moving from a 7.5 manual gtd to a new gti with DSG & DCC. I wonder what differences I will notice first?
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Enjoyed that review as I’m moving from a 7.5 manual gtd to a new gti with DSG & DCC. I wonder what differences I will notice first?
Same as me!
The mk8 gti feels very much more nimble and pointy than the gtd does, which is saying quite a lot because I've absolutely loved both gtd's I've had.
I suspect I'll miss the massive torque and fuel economy though.
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Enjoyed that review as I’m moving from a 7.5 manual gtd to a new gti with DSG & DCC. I wonder what differences I will notice first?
Noisier exhaust?
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You might notice not being able to plug in your sd cards or phone if you haven't got usb c cables or a USB stick (type c)...
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It is going to interesting as I’ve had a Tdi tuning box on my gtd for two years, made a massive difference to the car. I’ve got another one ready for the GTI apparently it will take it to 297 bhp. Should be fun.
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It is going to interesting as I’ve had a Tdi tuning box on my gtd for two years, made a massive difference to the car. I’ve got another one ready for the GTI apparently it will take it to 297 bhp. Should be fun.
This is the sort of post I like to read! Car arrives, tune goes straight on :cool: :afro:
In other news, I watched the vid when I got home from night shift.
I quite enjoyed it, very factual in a typically autogefüel way (reminds me of 1980’s Top Gear!) but I missed the last seven or eight minutes.
Forget whale song or yoga, watch car reviews before bed! 😴😴😴
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I might wait a week before putting the box on just so I know how it feels standard, I’m sure I’m going to love it after the gtd but my previous Tdi tuning box made such a huge difference I won’t be able to wait long. 👍
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Do you think it will work ok on a Mk8?
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Do you think it will work ok on a Mk8?
Their website does list a mk8 one
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That's interesting!
I bet my insurance company would hate it even if VWFS don't :whistle:
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Shhhhh they are very easy to take off. 😉