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Model specific boards => Golf mk8 => Topic started by: Panelpin on 12 May 2020, 15:56
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https://www.motor1.com/news/422752/vw-golf-gti-tcr-no-camo/?fbclid=IwAR053WHz1lKAA-pO9J1yDWk-Npu461GBcrOmDcblic2C91b4_-a-xPnNyj0
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Just seen these myself. An interesting front end. Obviously a different exhaust set up too.
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I'm just surprised they are still referring to it as a "TCR".... given VW's pull out from that series.
Anyway, its quite nice but I would expect it to be £39k+ without options at the very least, which means even a lick of paint will take you into "luxury car tax" hell, let alone a DSG box.
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I think the front black "mouth" is very heavy and too much of a visual feature
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I wonder if that’s the Edition 45.
Seems odd that VW would still market a TCR when they’ve pulled out of the racing series. The Ed45 will be due next year and there needs to be a gap filler between a 245PS GTI and a 330PS R.
So maybe a limited run 290/300PS anniversary edition followed by a Clubsport or TCR badged series production car with the same mechanicals but slightly different trim to the Ed45.
Just a stab in the dark.
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I wonder if that’s the Edition 45.
Seems odd that VW would still market a TCR when they’ve pulled out of the racing series. The Ed45 will be due next year and there needs to be a gap filler between a 245PS GTI and a 330PS R.
So maybe a limited run 290/300PS anniversary edition followed by a Clubsport or TCR badged series production car with the same mechanicals but slightly different trim to the Ed45.
Just a stab in the dark.
Yes I have been wondering what they are going to do with Edition 45, if they already have a 300ps model lined up. There is a logic to start production with special edition (in this case Edition 45) before resuming in a standard spec. But would people think they had something special enough?
If standard “performance GTI” is to be 300ps then what room does that leave for Edition 45. Is Edition 45 going to be a mild upgrade ahead of the big one (which they must be thinking about) ie Edition 50.
Maybe the Edition 45 will be 310ps with exclusive trim. While the standard model gets 300ps.
More importantly, I was hoping the large open mouth lower bumper would be more enclosed at each side on this model, I don’t like the big mouth look on the standard GTI.
Anyway, I am hoping there would be some news announced which had been planned for the Worthsee Show in late May.
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Why would an ED45 need to be more powerful?
Surely a slightly more extreme aero package, some stickers, different seats and maybe an expensive exhaust...job done.
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Why would an ED45 need to be more powerful?
Surely a slightly more extreme aero package, some stickers, different seats and maybe an expensive exhaust...job done.
Only that Volkswagen have deemed more power for the Special Editions, as a requirement over standard (ED30, ED35, ED40)
However that was before they had a powerful model in the normal line-up. So you might be right they will pop some bits on it to start production run and then pull the bits of when the standard production starts. Stranger things have happened.
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The “Edition” anniversary models don’t *need* to be more powerful but it makes them a bit more interesting/desirable.
It doesn’t cost VW much to throw in some extra go from the parts bin along with the bits of special trim.
The 20th Anni had standard power 8v and 16v engines but VW cheekily added a (cutting edge at the time) 110PS Diesel to the line up (still badged as a GTI) for continental Europe, but sadly not imported to the UK.
They did the same for the 25th using the PD150 Diesel alongside the petrol special edition GTIs.
But that was also when it all changed and VW started to add the Leon Cupra spec engine to the Anniversary GTIs.
It’s become a modern tradition and kind of expected now with the anniversary edition GTIs to have the detuned R engine in Cupra spec.
At 330 PS the R will have quite a performance gap over the GTI even if the latter has circa 290-300PS, therefore the price gap between anniversary GTI and range topper R would need to be more than it has been for the last generation unless the Ed45 has other tricks up its sleeve.
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Clubsport, not TCR, it seems https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-germancars/300hp-golf-gti--clubsport--spied/42411
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Seems VW have been briefed their dealerships. 300bhp and Cup is the name
Due for unveiling soon
I wonder if there will be a middle ground version for the Mk8? Something between the 245PS and the Cup?
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Fingers crossed it’s got a gear stick...! :laugh:
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Isnt this Clubsport coming out really early in the production lifecycle? In additional it was a limited run for the MK7.
I like the Pretoria wheels, brakes and exhaust, but not the new lower plastic front grill, which has even more black plastic on it.
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compared to the MK 7.5 which admittedly have some bias, this has nothing that has you think TCR, overlarge plastic front spoiler that looks like its only purpose is to fill the gap between the bonnet and base, and an understated diffuser.
Like the spoiler tho :)
But its just am awkwardly design mess
EDIT: Having had another good look over, think the rear is ok, the spoiler definitely helps, liveable with, the side view with the Pretoria looks ok too, but that front, really cannot get over it, there is little excuse not to break that front end up from one slab of plastic it is now with a solid central grille and some separated and pronounced air vents as the feature - very fixable and maybe hope for the 8.5 much like the MK 7.5 made the red stripe blend so well and make the GTI, opposed to the slightly awkward red stripe on the MK 7
EDIT: Missed it was to be named a Clubsport which makes more sense given VW not in TCR anymore.
Also makes the TCR a one off run out, which is nice to have as another additional positive.
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Seems VW have been briefed their dealerships. 300bhp and Cup is the name
Due for unveiling soon
Where did you see that? I can't find anything solid on that.
I wonder if there will be a middle ground version for the Mk8? Something between the 245PS and the Cup?
I think the answer is a flat no there. I mean what would you want to see? 269ps? 278ps? The "standard" Mk8 GTI already has the front diff etc etc from the old PP version.
If anything, the purpose of a 300bhp fwd GTI is largely irrevelant anyway because of the R. You have to leave some clear differentiators in there or the value proposition falls away.
I can see why you'd realease an ED version - give it some unique graphics, different seats, a titanium exhaust and charge 40k for it, but little point in doing much else.
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Isnt this Clubsport coming out really early in the production lifecycle? In additional it was a limited run for the MK7.
I like the Pretoria wheels, brakes and exhaust, but not the new lower plastic front grill, which has even more black plastic on it.
Next year is when the Ed45 is due hence the special edition model so early in the model life.
I think the hot hatch market is shrinking away but is a lucrative niche that VW group previously had more or less a monopoly on for volume sales in recent years, particularly the Golf R 300 bhp 4Wd segment.
The public at large is slowly (being brainwashed into) adopting the idea of owning an EV which on the face of it is no bad thing.
Now Diesel has been demonised people are quickly discovering small capacity petrol turbos in aerodynamically challenged mini SUVs aren’t a happy match. Electric with its instant torque and ease of driving is going to be a massive draw to those that see their car merely as white goods transport.
Hot hatches will become even more marginalised until sexy fast affordable smallish EV’s become available so the manufacturers will have to keep the segment on the boil offering products petrol die-hards will want in a fast changing world.
If Mercedes and BMW have watered down the 4wd 300PS monopoly VW had then the latter needs to bring back in sales from fast FWD cars once more.
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https://www.motor1.com/news/444640/vw-golf-gti-tcr-spy-video/
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Still won't be called a TCR :laugh:
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That looks great, I’m aiming for one.
MK8 GTI Cup will do me just fine
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The front looks like Wallace from Wallace and Grommet. Can't get away with the huge gaping mouth, just looks odd.
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If, and it’s a huge if at the moment, if I get a Mk8 I’ll also aim for the Cup or whatever it’ll be called. But think I might finally move on from VAG after only ever owning them.
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Don't be scared to - I've had a fair few GTIs over the years, but they're not worth pinning your loyalty to for the rest of your life. That'd be like forever eating pizza 3 times a day with slightly varying toppings.
I've had one of most European brands. Fair few BMWs, fast French hatches, Audis, swear by Volvos for the family wagon (just ordering my 2nd XC40 now).
At 43 there's probably some things I'd not touch. I appreciate a Type R is an amazing bit of kit, but I'd just feel a tool getting out of it.
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I’m definitely not scared of changing from VAG but I do eat pizza 3 times a day. :grin:
Totally agree about the Type R and I don’t need any help in looking like a tool.
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I always try and be open-minded going into the car buying process.....then decide VW knew what they were doing and buy a VW. Think it’s looking like things might be far closer and the money more of a decider.
I had thought that GTI Cup level of spec would suit me as pretty much same power as my Golf R but without 4WD. Now I’m not so sure after hearing Exonian’s experiences with his TCR and watching Volkswizard TCR review in terms of suspension setup. Somehow thought it would be gradual increase over GTI suspension and under R. Yes I know, a car called TCR and based on a touring car is not going to have gentle pliant suspension. :laugh:
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I always try and be open-minded going into the car buying process.....then decide VW knew what they were doing and buy a VW. Think it’s looking like things might be far closer and the money more of a decider.
I had thought that GTI Cup level of spec would suit me as pretty much same power as my Golf R but without 4WD. Now I’m not so sure after hearing Exonian’s experiences with his TCR and watching Volkswizard TCR review in terms of suspension setup. Somehow thought it would be gradual increase over GTI suspension and under R. Yes I know, a car called TCR and based on a touring car is not going to have gentle pliant suspension. :laugh:
if you get a TCR on the standard belvedere alloys which are lightweight the suspension is perfectly fine. It's only when specced with 19s that you'll really feel anything. Even better spec it with DCC 👍
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I always try and be open-minded going into the car buying process.....then decide VW knew what they were doing and buy a VW. Think it’s looking like things might be far closer and the money more of a decider.
I had thought that GTI Cup level of spec would suit me as pretty much same power as my Golf R but without 4WD. Now I’m not so sure after hearing Exonian’s experiences with his TCR and watching Volkswizard TCR review in terms of suspension setup. Somehow thought it would be gradual increase over GTI suspension and under R. Yes I know, a car called TCR and based on a touring car is not going to have gentle pliant suspension. :laugh:
if you get a TCR on the standard belvedere alloys which are lightweight the suspension is perfectly fine. It's only when specced with 19s that you'll really feel anything. Even better spec it with DCC 👍
Sounds good, much prefer idea of 18” wheels with DCC.
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I had thought that GTI Cup level of spec would suit me as pretty much same power as my Golf R but without 4WD. Now I’m not so sure after hearing Exonian’s experiences with his TCR and watching Volkswizard TCR review in terms of suspension setup. Somehow thought it would be gradual increase over GTI suspension and under R. Yes I know, a car called TCR and based on a touring car is not going to have gentle pliant suspension. :laugh:
I wouldn't exclude it with 19s without trying first. For one thing DCC was standard with 19s on the 7.5 TCR so there's a saving (obviously we don't know what the MK8 will have yet) but in comfort most of the time the suspension is very good, yes you get the odd crash going over a harsh ridge but from what I recall Exonian's issue was unfortunately with his back following an injury where the crashes were causing him pain. Driving around I don't come across many sharp ridges so the odd one now and then isn't an issue, my OH has never complained about the comfort levels of the car and although she doesn't whinge generally, if it was a problem she'd have mentioned it.
I'm pleased I jumped into the TCR when I did, none of the new crop of cars is appealing to me looks wise, I'll reserve final judgement on the MK8 GTI when I see one but right now I think the 7.5 was the peak and now car design is declining. When I do finally fancy a change I've no idea what to look at next, I'm not a diehard VAG loyalist as such but I may consider going down the route of something older and less complex. A car with wheels, seats and mechanicals, not a computer.
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Think you might well be spot on there Watts. Very good timing as I agree that the new crop of hot hatches all seem a bit meh.
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I had thought that GTI Cup level of spec would suit me as pretty much same power as my Golf R but without 4WD. Now I’m not so sure after hearing Exonian’s experiences with his TCR and watching Volkswizard TCR review in terms of suspension setup. Somehow thought it would be gradual increase over GTI suspension and under R. Yes I know, a car called TCR and based on a touring car is not going to have gentle pliant suspension. :laugh:
I wouldn't exclude it with 19s without trying first. For one thing DCC was standard with 19s on the 7.5 TCR so there's a saving (obviously we don't know what the MK8 will have yet) but in comfort most of the time the suspension is very good, yes you get the odd crash going over a harsh ridge but from what I recall Exonian's issue was unfortunately with his back following an injury where the crashes were causing him pain. Driving around I don't come across many sharp ridges so the odd one now and then isn't an issue, my OH has never complained about the comfort levels of the car and although she doesn't whinge generally, if it was a problem she'd have mentioned it.
I'm pleased I jumped into the TCR when I did, none of the new crop of cars is appealing to me looks wise, I'll reserve final judgement on the MK8 GTI when I see one but right now I think the 7.5 was the peak and now car design is declining. When I do finally fancy a change I've no idea what to look at next, I'm not a diehard VAG loyalist as such but I may consider going down the route of something older and less complex. A car with wheels, seats and mechanicals, not a computer.
Thanks for experiences. Would probably try and stick with 18, but if the design was hideous then think a switch to 19 would be required.
We will have to see what they come up with, do you think there is life left in the Pretorias? Ie they might feature on Mk8. Their
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@AndyGTI, don’t take too much notice of my more recent experiences about the TCR suspension as it’s not a typical owners view but is specific to me and not unique to the TCR going from memory of my GTI PP which would also sometimes be caught out by sudden lumps or dips sending a jolt through the chassis.
Where it initially didn’t bother me aside from a wince occasionally and a shrug denoting acceptance of the compromises of suspension set-ups where ride and handling are generally excellent, but there is bound to be a chink in the armour at some stage no matter how slight. Bearing in mind the almost infinite variety of surfaces and speeds we drive, without spending massive amounts on fully active ride control, there are bound to be times where a sporty suspension gets caught out even with adaptive dampers.
Safe to say I spent about 6500 miles driving the Clubsport on non adaptive suspension and mostly on 19” wheels, then circa 4000 miles in the TCR with very similar suspension rates albeit adaptive equipped and I had zero real gripes. In fact the slightly lively suspension of the Ed40 felt more hot hatch to me and I didn’t complain about it once (that I remember!).
Both Ed40 and TCR had astonishingly good balance of ride and particularly handling (by Golf standards) with excellent steering to boot (IMO of course) and we can but assume the mk8 will fractionally improve on this following however many years of continuing development of the same basic chassis by the engineers.
As Watts says, a trapped nerve in my back hampered my enjoyment in the end but that’s just one of those things.
I’d fully expected to ride out the back issue but with me where it comes to cars I’m prone to go off on a complete tangent and your latter comment about the Pretorias is kind of where that started...
Is there life in the Pretoria design still?
Yes, I think there is but fully expect it to not become an 8R exclusive wheel as I reckon that model will likely be wearing something “next gen” but the Prets might be a performance option still on certain models of Golf.
The Passat can be specced with them and more relevantly the T-Roc R is a bang up to date model and wears them as standard.
I reckon it’s a style that’ll be gradually phased out but was just so right a design it’ll live on a bit longer.
Maybe I’m wrong, it often is the case!
The Pretorias were the Catalyst of my car change though as somewhere just before lockdown I spotted a demo T-Roc R and thought two things: I bet that car would be better for my back (compliant suspension and higher position) and “damn those wheels look good in that colour, I wonder if I should get some for my TCR“.
The T-Roc R was never a consideration to own but is an interesting and good looking car in its own right but it got me thinking about cars which wouldn’t hurt my back, the disappointment of the looks of the mk8 and my positive memories of driving the M135i F40.
It’s an often made comment on here about how enduringly good the mk7’s looks are with all the newer rivals sharing weird (unfortunate) shaped noses in profile and haunches due to pedestrian safety laws and aerodynamics.
These shapes will become the norm on the roads very soon, even the ubiquitous Corsa has sprung some strange angles and creases now in the latest gen model so it’s going to be a blanket design for hatchbacks.
So long as the improvements for the mk8 TCR/Cup chassis are at least partly honed on the roads and not just the Nurburgring then it’ll be another fantastic car to drive even if not to sit and look at.
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@Exonian
Many thanks for your full reply and your experiences with the Clubsport and latterly TCR. that certainly gives me plenty to consider and as always with cars... I will just ned to have a good test drive (s) of the model (s) before I decide.
Yes, in my mind (with available info so far released/spy photos on other models) I have been going over the shortlist and conclude maybe at Mk 7 R is still the best option. There is also a growing feeling that I would be mad to let the 7R go. Then I debate the merits of a two car arrangement and decide, no I only need one car , so make correct choice :undecided:
I think you are right that the Pretoria should get a run out on some of the Golfs this time as well and I agree, I think the next gen 8R will have a new wheel(s) to show off.
Well now they have got the ID4 unveiled and first customers are getting their ID3s.... hopefully we can have the rest of the Golf range unveiled over next few weeks. I had a read of the press release from VW about Goodwood Speed Week. I thought I saw hints about R, but then it just seemed to be about ID.R so didn't think it was worth posting.
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GTi Clubsport revealed;-
https://www.motor1.com/news/448725/vw-golf-gti-clubsport-debut/
(https://i.postimg.cc/bNtSbbkb/volkswagen-golf-8-gti-clubsport-2021.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/YhtSBvXq)
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Guzzle, you beat me to it.
Here is the Autocar article
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-vw-golf-gti-clubsport-gets-296bhp-and-chassis-upgrades (https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-vw-golf-gti-clubsport-gets-296bhp-and-chassis-upgrades)
Well I think it’s better looking than normal GTI. Still want to see all the wheel options though.
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We’ll have to rename this post as well. :laugh: :laugh:
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Yeah sorry Andy. :embarrassed: I did think though after I posted it some people might not see it so you 're right, post needs re-titling 👍
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Looks more promising, but a lot of miss information on each press article :(
18" 5 spoke wheels as standard? wonder what they look like?
Artvelors cloth as standard?
Black roof an option or standard?
Akropovich exhaust to be an option later on?
Just to name a few points listed.
Big question and no mention in the press release, will we have another Edition 45 model or is this to celebrate that milestone?
My Edition 40 was delivered this month 4 years ago, and they was released for order in the UK April 5th 2016 (launched Germany End of 2015) does that mean this is it, or will we get something more on top soon?
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Going by the time it has taken VW to get the standard GTi into dealerships, this may well be it :evil:
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Official VW press release;-
https://www.vwpress.co.uk/en-gb/press-kits/998
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Some interesting points here according to this article:
1) the standard Mk8 GTI doesn't have the LSD (I thought that was the case...)
2) the standard Mk8 GTI doesn't have Mk7.5 PP sized brakes (I thought that was the case...)
3) there will be no manual Mk8 clubsport
4) it doesn't have the rubbish foglights (doesn't say that is because of extra radiators like the R tho)
5) All that extra power only sees it being 0.2s quicker to 60mph...
6) You need 98 RON fuel (the M135i doesn't use 98 does it?)
I think it looks much better than the Mk8 GTI. Can't quite put a finger on it. Think its that front grill with the extra angled pieces. Looks much more aggressive than the lazy wide mouthed frog look of the rest of the Mk8's.
It is £3,500 more than a Mk8 GTI though - £39k without options.... which will make the Mk8 R.... £42k???
Not clear if it comes with DCC for that price either, certainly it doesn't come with 19's as standard.
Edit: it does come with DCC as standard, so thats 900 quid of the 3500 quid.
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Press release still says DCC is optional on Clubsport.
It comes as standard on 18" Richmond (normal UK spec GTi) alloys, at least in the press realease. Maybe we get 19's as standard or DCC as standard?
Funny they also mention the model history, lots of references to every Anniversary and special model but no mention this is for the 45 years.
My guess is we will see a Clubsport S and an attempt at the record again for the 45th?
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Actually, yes, the VW thing does say DCC is optional.
Top Gear version of the story here:
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/hot-hatch/surprise-its-new-vw-golf-gti-clubsport
I noticed one of the reader comments points out something I'd missed... in the photos the wheel spoke design has directional elements... which point forward on one side and backwards on the other.... probably pretty normal for all cars, but now I've seen it I can't unsee it.... OCD time!
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My guess is we will see a Clubsport S and an attempt at the record again for the 45th?
Good guess I reckon
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I'm not sure the press releases are always bang on accurate for the UK market. They appear to just be translated from German and then copied and pasted.
For example the standard GTi was said to come with 17 inch wheels. We now know that wasn't correct. I think unfortunately we need to wait for VWUK to pull their finger out :whistle:
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Actually, yes, the VW thing does say DCC is optional.
Top Gear version of the story here:
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/hot-hatch/surprise-its-new-vw-golf-gti-clubsport
I noticed one of the reader comments points out something I'd missed... in the photos the wheel spoke design has directional elements... which point forward on one side and backwards on the other.... probably pretty normal for all cars, but now I've seen it I can't unsee it.... OCD time!
That’s pretty much always been the case - not just VW but other car manufacturers too. I doubt many manufacturers will have left-handed and right-handed versions of directional alloys - it would add to production costs, and it would probably be necessary to make more of one version (the kerbside version) than the other as kerbside wheels would be more likely to suffer damage.
With the mk7 / mk7.5 Golf, Austin’s, Parker’s, Reifnitz (there may be other designs too) all have directional elements to their spokes, as does the standard 18” Richmond alloys on the mk8 Golf GTI.
I had a 1986 Escort XR3i that had directional alloys. The ‘Pirelli’ alloys on the mk2 Golf GTI from the same era were also directional.
I have car OCD but directional alloys have never bothered me, after all, you can only see one side of the car at any one time.
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Apparently there are no current plans for a Clubsport S
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/no-plans-hardcore-gti-clubsport-s-volkswagen-confirms
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Some interesting points here according to this article:
1) the standard Mk8 GTI doesn't have the LSD (I thought that was the case...)
2) the standard Mk8 GTI doesn't have Mk7.5 PP sized brakes (I thought that was the case...)
3) there will be no manual Mk8 clubsport
4) it doesn't have the rubbish foglights (doesn't say that is because of extra radiators like the R tho)
5) All that extra power only sees it being 0.2s quicker to 60mph...
6) You need 98 RON fuel (the M135i doesn't use 98 does it?)
I think it looks much better than the Mk8 GTI. Can't quite put a finger on it. Think its that front grill with the extra angled pieces. Looks much more aggressive than the lazy wide mouthed frog look of the rest of the Mk8's.
It is £3,500 more than a Mk8 GTI though - £39k without options.... which will make the Mk8 R.... £42k???
Not clear if it comes with DCC for that price either, certainly it doesn't come with 19's as standard.
Edit: it does come with DCC as standard, so thats 900 quid of the 3500 quid.
Yes there definitely seemed to be some contradictions from what I also thought was case regarding tech spec for Mk8 GTI.
I thought VW were being nice and DCC was standard and then read press release saying it was optional.
Press release states 18” 5 spoke alloys so I am guessing it’s the standard (UK) Richmond wheels. Although I like their design I seem to have now gone off them a bit. don,t like the 19 option in the press photos. so hoping there might be another option.
On the 98 Ron fuel, it’ll be usual story that you can run on 95 but you just won’t get full performance.
Don’t think they(VW) have announced performance details and the info I’ve read says “under 6secs” so it should be close or lower than TCR.
I think the clubsport does have a better look than normal GTI and it is down to the revised lower grille. the GTI was just too long and rectangular and those fog lights
I am not sure where they got extra £3500 over normal DSG GTI from. If you ignore Akra Exhaust from mk7 TCR the price difference was £1660 if I remember correctly (taken from pricelist May 2020).
I think more likely to be about £37k. Golf R then sneak about £39k well that is what I am hoping.
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Maybe they will do a Cs-S for the 45th, I have slight doubts on the basis they have included a "special" mode with Nurburgring settings on the mk8 CS.
This was effectively a "hack" mode on the mk7 Cs-S. I would have thought they would keep that mode for the fanfare of the ring record breaker?
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Just found another key difference in the VW press release:
the oval tailpipes of the exhaust system instead of the circular tailpipes on the normal GTI (the tailpipes are also positioned 40 mm further towards the outside
That's where the 3,500 quid was spent!
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Some interesting points here according to this article:
1) the standard Mk8 GTI doesn't have the LSD (I thought that was the case...)
2) the standard Mk8 GTI doesn't have Mk7.5 PP sized brakes (I thought that was the case...)
3) there will be no manual Mk8 clubsport
4) it doesn't have the rubbish foglights (doesn't say that is because of extra radiators like the R tho)
5) All that extra power only sees it being 0.2s quicker to 60mph...
6) You need 98 RON fuel (the M135i doesn't use 98 does it?)
I think it looks much better than the Mk8 GTI. Can't quite put a finger on it. Think its that front grill with the extra angled pieces. Looks much more aggressive than the lazy wide mouthed frog look of the rest of the Mk8's.
It is £3,500 more than a Mk8 GTI though - £39k without options.... which will make the Mk8 R.... £42k???
Not clear if it comes with DCC for that price either, certainly it doesn't come with 19's as standard.
Edit: it does come with DCC as standard, so thats 900 quid of the 3500 quid.
A far better effort than the standard GTI as far as looks go IMO.
I’ve not been paying full attention but I can’t remember the VAQ being mentioned in reports and vids from the standard GTI now you say that. Lots of references to improved XDS but not the e-diff.
I actually quite like the GTI/GTD mk8 foglights, it’s the rest of the front I dislike, but the Clubsport (in those shots at least) works quite well. Flattering angle possibly but that applies to all of the latest generation hatches.
The 135 is recommended for 98 RON too according to my fuel flap
(https://i.postimg.cc/DzChTstp/397-B8-B7-C-8462-415-E-B356-A5789-B2-F1-CEF.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/d7TpR7QG)
The Clubsport has been rushed through quite suddenly.
Wonder if that’s to counter lukewarm reception of the mk8 generally alongside the 128 reveal or whether it is in readiness for the 45 Anni and just getting back on track with planned reveals and releases.
Going from spy shots the R will look similar to the Clubsport with the Predator Face lower bumper shape which is common to other VW group models including the Cupra Formentor, but with horizontal slats instead of honeycomb. I wonder how long we will have to wait until the R does break cover so we can see the price structure between GTI, CS and R.
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I'm sure there was a leaked graphic showing all the wheel options for GTI/Clubsport/R somewhere.
Be interesting to see what the forged/Cup2 option is.
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There is definitely going to be a Clubsport S version, 5 doors, so not sure if the rears will be welded shut or quite what will not be included .may surprise us with a special 3 door but really cant see that unless increase the production numbers, 400 last time
Top of the waiting list with my dealer.
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Apparently there are no current plans for a Clubsport S
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/no-plans-hardcore-gti-clubsport-s-volkswagen-confirms
No Clubsport S according to these VW Sources. Unfortunately, its all ID this and ID that nowadays, so I think more likely to see electric record attempt down the line(I am not counting ID R which has already got the record, but I can't see that being available to go to the shops anytime soon).
I was musing about ED45 previously, not sure where they would go (spec wise) with that, so we will have to wait. and see.
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There is definitely going to be a Clubsport S version, 5 doors, so not sure if the rears will be welded shut or quite what will not be included .may surprise us with a special 3 door but really cant see that unless increase the production numbers, 400 last time
Top of the waiting list with my dealer.
If VW do produce a Clubsport S, IMO there won’t be a special three door with a bespoke three door body shell. The cost of producing that and other associated parts that would be needed (e.g. door cards, rear passenger compartment interior trim, glass etc.) just for a limited run of Clubsport S models would be prohibitively expensive, especially with VW seemingly directing development budget into all things electric.
VW have dropped pretty much all three door cars (I think the up! might be the exception), so the chances of reintroducing a three door body for a Clubsport S - if one is built - are pretty much zero in my opinion.
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Is it the Is20 in this one?
And New Brakes?!?, brand new or something that Cupra have used? :)
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Some interesting points here according to this article:
1) the standard Mk8 GTI doesn't have the LSD (I thought that was the case...)
2) the standard Mk8 GTI doesn't have Mk7.5 PP sized brakes (I thought that was the case...)
3) there will be no manual Mk8 clubsport
4) it doesn't have the rubbish foglights (doesn't say that is because of extra radiators like the R tho)
5) All that extra power only sees it being 0.2s quicker to 60mph...
6) You need 98 RON fuel (the M135i doesn't use 98 does it?)
I think it looks much better than the Mk8 GTI. Can't quite put a finger on it. Think its that front grill with the extra angled pieces. Looks much more aggressive than the lazy wide mouthed frog look of the rest of the Mk8's.
It is £3,500 more than a Mk8 GTI though - £39k without options.... which will make the Mk8 R.... £42k???
Not clear if it comes with DCC for that price either, certainly it doesn't come with 19's as standard.
Edit: it does come with DCC as standard, so thats 900 quid of the 3500 quid.
The mk8 GTI have PP brakes 340mm ;).
But the CS have even bigger!, that you have at least 18" wheels ;)
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Well, it’s a definite improvement looks wise over the standard gti. I think it’ll be very close to £40k though. Wouldn’t be surprised if the R is £43k ish.
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There is definitely going to be a Clubsport S version, 5 doors, so not sure if the rears will be welded shut or quite what will not be included .may surprise us with a special 3 door but really cant see that unless increase the production numbers, 400 last time
Top of the waiting list with my dealer.
If VW do produce a Clubsport S, IMO there won’t be a special three door with a bespoke three door body shell. The cost of producing that and other associated parts that would be needed (e.g. door cards, rear passenger compartment interior trim, glass etc.) just for a limited run of Clubsport S models would be prohibitively expensive, especially with VW seemingly directing development budget into all things electric.
VW have dropped pretty much all three door cars (I think the up! might be the exception), so the chances of reintroducing a three door body for a Clubsport S - if one is built - are pretty much zero in my opinion.
Pretty much correct but will wait and see what comes
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There is definitely going to be a Clubsport S version, 5 doors, so not sure if the rears will be welded shut or quite what will not be included .may surprise us with a special 3 door but really cant see that unless increase the production numbers, 400 last time
Top of the waiting list with my dealer.
VW confirmed there won’t be a Clubsport S during the press conference. However there maybe a nod to the 45th anniversary so I’m guessing a special edition with a few cosmetic changes at most.
I’m expecting a clubsport ED45 with some fancy unique paint and some coloured trim inside maybe different seat style or pattern and a plaque telling you it’s a special edition. Absolutely no way VW are gonna splash the development cash needed to make a quicker variant given everything going on atm
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The mk8 GTI have PP brakes 340mm ;).
But the CS have even bigger!, that you have at least 18" wheels ;)
At least you've now seen where the gti logo on the brakes has gone 🤣
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Well, it’s a definite improvement looks wise over the standard gti. I think it’ll be very close to £40k though. Wouldn’t be surprised if the R is £43k ish.
Can’t see VW pricing the R above the 4Wd 300PS(ish) Merc/BMW and more so S3 unless they’ve been given the green light to actually have 320PS plus.
CS maybe £2k above GTI, R just above that and I’d agree with Clarky about the Ed45 being no more than a few logos and trim bits priced above the regular CS and just below the R.
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Well, it’s a definite improvement looks wise over the standard gti. I think it’ll be very close to £40k though. Wouldn’t be surprised if the R is £43k ish.
Can’t see VW pricing the R above the 4Wd 300PS(ish) Merc/BMW and more so S3 unless they’ve been given the green light to actually have 320PS plus.
CS maybe £2k above GTI, R just above that and I’d agree with Clarky about the Ed45 being no more than a few logos and trim bits priced above the regular CS and just below the R.
Yep.
FWIW, the outgoing 7.5R dsg carried a £3k premium over the GTi Performance dsg. Depending on where they go with the standard spec, with the Mk8 GTi dsg at £34,960 that'd put a Mk8 R at somewhere around £38k, with the Clubsport (again depending on spec) somewhere inbetween.
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Well, it’s a definite improvement looks wise over the standard gti. I think it’ll be very close to £40k though. Wouldn’t be surprised if the R is £43k ish.
Can’t see VW pricing the R above the 4Wd 300PS(ish) Merc/BMW and more so S3 unless they’ve been given the green light to actually have 320PS plus.
CS maybe £2k above GTI, R just above that and I’d agree with Clarky about the Ed45 being no more than a few logos and trim bits priced above the regular CS and just below the R.
Yep.
FWIW, the outgoing 7.5R dsg carried a £3k premium over the GTi Performance dsg. Depending on where they go with the standard spec, with the Mk8 GTi dsg at £34,960 that'd put a Mk8 R at somewhere around £38k, with the Clubsport (again depending on spec) somewhere inbetween.
Breaking news on the R rrp. It’s going to be £60k. Official too. :lipsrsealed:
Seriously though I hope you are both right! Think some of the comments in the articles around pricing have been a bit worrying.
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The mk8 GTI have PP brakes 340mm ;).
But the CS have even bigger!, that you have at least 18" wheels ;)
At least you've now seen where the gti logo on the brakes has gone 🤣
:grin: :grin:Yes F***ck...But still searching why.. ;) Because is it bigger Calipers on the Cs..
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Well, it’s a definite improvement looks wise over the standard gti. I think it’ll be very close to £40k though. Wouldn’t be surprised if the R is £43k ish.
Can’t see VW pricing the R above the 4Wd 300PS(ish) Merc/BMW and more so S3 unless they’ve been given the green light to actually have 320PS plus.
CS maybe £2k above GTI, R just above that and I’d agree with Clarky about the Ed45 being no more than a few logos and trim bits priced above the regular CS and just below the R.
Maybe they are holding the manual gearbox back for the Ed45 just to make it slightly different
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Some interesting points here according to this article:
1) the standard Mk8 GTI doesn't have the LSD (I thought that was the case...)
Autocar stating that the standard GTi does come with the LSD
Like the standard GTI, the VAQ electromechanical locking front differential replaces the purely electronic XDS system of the standard Golf and control of that system has been integrated into the car’s driving dynamics manager.
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Clubsport now up on German configurator
https://www.volkswagen.de/de/modelle-und-konfigurator.html/__app/%2Fder-neue-golf.app
Remember to turn off auto-translate.
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Clubsport now up on German configurator
https://www.volkswagen.de/de/modelle-und-konfigurator.html/__app/%2Fder-neue-golf.app
Remember to turn off auto-translate.
Looks very good in red metallic on 19”s
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Clubsport now up on German configurator
https://www.volkswagen.de/de/modelle-und-konfigurator.html/__app/%2Fder-neue-golf.app
Remember to turn off auto-translate.
Looks very good in red metallic on 19”s
It does. It looks absolutely horrific on the standard 18's :cry:
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Its amazing what a day...and five minutes on German VW configurator can do.
I am totally and utterly underwhelmed and non-plussed by the Clubsport now. (I think can be best summed up that I would rather try and spec an Audi S3(even with horrible chrome additions) over the Clubsport.)
The 18" wheels I think are better for a standard GTI. On the Clubsport they don't look right, don't like the 19" option. Thought there might be another option.
I note the press photos had a leather interior, but the Arts Velour interior I do like. Also is it me or has anyone else looked at the GTI seats and thought...why doesn't it have GTI embossed/embroidered onto the seats.
Also shows that 0-100kmh time is 5.6secs
Think it looks best in white, but not sure about stickers on front doors.
I wonder what Leon Cupra spec (sorry sorry Cupra Leon) will be like (exterior not sure,but interior does give proper buttons on steering wheel, but still touchscreen)
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Car Wow think it’ll start at £40k. Surely not!!
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Have someone found the full tech spec? :wink:
It is the Golf R enginee?
Front Brake calipers!, New ones?, or some that Cupra uses?
When first testdrive? :smiley:
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They say its got a different turbo to the gti and different radiator... Must be something from somewhere else in vag though, this isn't a super special car, it's a serial production version.
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GTi Clubsport revealed;-
https://www.motor1.com/news/448725/vw-golf-gti-clubsport-debut/
(https://i.postimg.cc/bNtSbbkb/volkswagen-golf-8-gti-clubsport-2021.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/YhtSBvXq)
Now that does look fantastic!!! :cool:
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After some very quick, and poorly calculated, figures I think the Clubsport will be around £500pm on finance with similar discounts that you can get on the gti factored in. No deposit or options. Just discount taken into account.
If the clubsport has the same gfv as the gti (as I believe it did with the ed40) then I’m leaving the country. :laugh:
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The tcr seemed to have exactly the same gfv as a normal gti, despite its list price being something like 7k more (after they 'bundled' the akra exhaust)
Which is why it offered such poor value to me.
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Really?? Jesus.
Only a matter of time before those exhausts start getting cut off cars as the MK7 gets cheaper too.
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GTi Clubsport revealed;-
https://www.motor1.com/news/448725/vw-golf-gti-clubsport-debut/
(https://i.postimg.cc/bNtSbbkb/volkswagen-golf-8-gti-clubsport-2021.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/YhtSBvXq)
Now that does look fantastic!!! :cool:
I agree, looks great. Saw a white mk8 on the roads yesterday- definitely looks good in white, to my eyes at least.
Shame it’s so heavy.
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The tcr seemed to have exactly the same gfv as a normal gti, despite its list price being something like 7k more (after they 'bundled' the akra exhaust)
Which is why it offered such poor value to me.
probably why they offered it at 0% finance which in recent years I haven't seen on many VW's let alone performance ones.
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One positive of it not being limited edition: discount should be readily achievable.
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They say its got a different turbo to the gti and different radiator... Must be something from somewhere else in vag though, this isn't a super special car, it's a serial production version.
Or just the Golf R setup with less boost? :wink:
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The tcr seemed to have exactly the same gfv as a normal gti, despite its list price being something like 7k more (after they 'bundled' the akra exhaust)
Which is why it offered such poor value to me.
probably why they offered it at 0% finance which in recent years I haven't seen on many VW's let alone performance ones.
It was swings and roundabouts though with that deal. You either got it as a deposit contribution or zero percent, just crazy slight of hand. I had quotes for both options...
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I'm sure I got both Fred, not as much deposit contribution as other models but still 👍
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Clubsport in black
https://youtu.be/PyV-fqbmcME
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Now I know this isn’t very scientific, but I’ve just converted the German price of the gti into pounds. Comes out as £34.3k. Pretty close to uk prices. My point is that I did the same with the CS. Came out as £36.5k. Might be a worthless post but made me think.
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My also not very scientific method was to add the price difference between the GTi dsg and the Clubsport in Germany, convert to £ then add to the UK price of the GTi dsg. Came out at £37,352 🤷♂️
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My also not very scientific method was to add the price difference between the GTi dsg and the Clubsport in Germany, convert to £ then add to the UK price of the GTi dsg. Came out at £37,352 🤷♂️
Nobel prizes for both of us I think! I did the same conversion when the TCR came out. It wasn’t accurate all. Worth a go though.
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I reckon by nothing other than dead reckoning it will be 3k on top of the gti Dsg.
And probably another two for the R.
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Well I have two options on clubsport price
Ignoring price of Akra exhaust on mk 7.5 TCR, the difference in May 2020 price list was £1660
Option 1: So Mk8 GTI price £34,960 plus £1660 gives £36,620 for Clubsport
Option 2: Alternatively if price of Mk8 against mk7.5 GTI Perf is £1,500 then Clubsport say £36,670
I think it will be in region of £37k
Hopefully won’t be too long as VW Germany had on configurator days after premiere.
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Someone figure out why you don´t can the Pretoria an Semi-slicks on the ClubSport?! :sad:
Strange with the same 19" as the standard GTI.. :whistle:
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Someone figure out why you don´t can the Pretoria an Semi-slicks on the ClubSport?! :sad:
Strange with the same 19" as the standard GTI.. :whistle:
Odd choice of wheels for the CS, 18s and 19s in exactly the same style as the GTI. I mean the 19s look good but doesn't really set the car off as being very different to a normal GTI.
And that YT at the Ring doesn't sound particularly exciting either. I was hoping for good things with the CS...
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In regards to the wheel choice for the Clubsport.
I’m thinking that the new/different wheels are being kept for the ED45.
Seems only logical reason and as a few people have said on here it will mostly be a cosmetic enhancement and a few ED45 badges which would fit in with cost observation strategy (sorry trying to be nice).
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In regards to the wheel choice for the Clubsport.
I’m thinking that the new/different wheels are being kept for the ED45.
Seems only logical reason and as a few people have said on here it will mostly be a cosmetic enhancement and a few ED45 badges which would fit in with cost observation strategy (sorry trying to be nice).
But that is strange, det TCR you could get different 19" as the Pretoria with Cup2.. Just one type of 19" is strange... ;)
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Someone figure out why you don´t can the Pretoria an Semi-slicks on the ClubSport?! :sad:
Strange with the same 19" as the standard GTI.. :whistle:
Pretoria alloys were a mk7 / mk7.5 wheel and VW don’t normally carry over wheels from a previous model to the next generation car (An exception was the mk5 GTI Monza alloys which were the wheels fitted to the mk6).
I suppose there’s a chance that VW will introduce additional wheel designs for the mk8 Clubsport as part of a model year update. Alternatively, whatever the 19” option is on the mk8 R could be offered as an option on the Clubsport (the mk7 Clubsport got the optional 19” Prets off the mk7 R). However, if this does happen, IMO it won’t be until after the mk8 R has been officially unveiled.
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Someone figure out why you don´t can the Pretoria an Semi-slicks on the ClubSport?! :sad:
Strange with the same 19" as the standard GTI.. :whistle:
Pretoria alloys were a mk7 / mk7.5 wheel and VW don’t normally carry over wheels from a previous model to the next generation car (An exception was the mk5 GTI Monza alloys which were the wheels fitted to the mk6).
...and the Charleston's. :wink:
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The CS would definitely look better on the Pretoria’s. I think they’re right up there with Vw’s best alloy designs. But I would say that...
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Someone figure out why you don´t can the Pretoria an Semi-slicks on the ClubSport?! :sad:
Strange with the same 19" as the standard GTI.. :whistle:
Pretoria alloys were a mk7 / mk7.5 wheel and VW don’t normally carry over wheels from a previous model to the next generation car (An exception was the mk5 GTI Monza alloys which were the wheels fitted to the mk6).
I suppose there’s a chance that VW will introduce additional wheel designs for the mk8 Clubsport as part of a model year update. Alternatively, whatever the 19” option is on the mk8 R could be offered as an option on the Clubsport (the mk7 Clubsport got the optional 19” Prets off the mk7 R). However, if this does happen, IMO it won’t be until after the mk8 R has been officially unveiled.
Maybe you are right, but the Pretoria was used when the CS was tested. And Light wheels and sticky tires is just the mpst cheap way to do fast laptimes...and it is strange that VW don´t offer that on a "hardcore" car.. :sad:
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If you want fast lap times you indeed want light wheels. Seventeens normally...
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Clubsport review on Autobild.de
https://www.autobild.de/artikel/vw-golf-8-gti-clubsport-2020-fahrbericht-test-preis-ps-18481547.html
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Clubsport review on Autobild.de
https://www.autobild.de/artikel/vw-golf-8-gti-clubsport-2020-fahrbericht-test-preis-ps-18481547.html
I literally can’t wait to read this! Thanks.
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My favourite photo from that review...
(https://i.postimg.cc/BvdkBmYh/989-EFF56-6998-4-B97-84-BB-520-BD8-C577-D6.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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Favourite quotes...
How the EA888 four-cylinder already presses well under 2000 tours and greedily turns over the 6000 is a bright joy.
As much as the performance shreds, the new brakes and the chassis tuning deserve the greatest praise. They are the main reason for the fun that club sport brings on winding country roads.
I hope the bright joy isn’t part of an optional extra. :laugh:
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My favourite photo from that review...
(https://i.postimg.cc/BvdkBmYh/989-EFF56-6998-4-B97-84-BB-520-BD8-C577-D6.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Blimey, is James Herriot doing cars now?
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Clubsport review on Autobild.de
https://www.autobild.de/artikel/vw-golf-8-gti-clubsport-2020-fahrbericht-test-preis-ps-18481547.html
I want one even more now :grin:
No clubsport badges on this variant just confirms for me the ED45 will be the badged up special edition
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My favourite photo from that review...
(https://i.postimg.cc/BvdkBmYh/989-EFF56-6998-4-B97-84-BB-520-BD8-C577-D6.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Blimey, is James Herriot doing cars now?
I thought the same thing Fred! :grin:
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The lease prices in Germany for the Clubsport are incredible. That’s about £171.
(https://i.postimg.cc/QxH43LL0/35-C1-BED2-F3-F4-4-E7-E-84-A8-BB4-F04-AD8-ACF.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BXfcTVnK)
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That's nuts, there has to be a massive deposit or something?
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Would be interesting to see the personal prices, that is a business lease. Only 6k miles per year too but still probably loads cheaper than UK.
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Says 0 deposit on the image.
40k euro car, rent for 2 years for 4.5k.
Even with those wheels and bizarre stripes up the side, that makes little sense.
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Aren't the personal lease prices on the vw.De configurator? The monthlies there aren't PCP are they?
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A bit of quick online research reveals that some of these dirt cheap German lease deals are heavily subsidised for environmental reasons and for the disabled. 🤷♂️
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A bit of quick online research reveals that some of these dirt cheap German lease deals are heavily subsidised for environmental reasons and for the disabled. 🤷♂️
The new eco Golf GTI ClubSport, saving the world, one lap at a time :laugh:
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Someone figure out why you don´t can the Pretoria an Semi-slicks on the ClubSport?! :sad:
Strange with the same 19" as the standard GTI.. :whistle:
Pretoria alloys were a mk7 / mk7.5 wheel and VW don’t normally carry over wheels from a previous model to the next generation car (An exception was the mk5 GTI Monza alloys which were the wheels fitted to the mk6).
I suppose there’s a chance that VW will introduce additional wheel designs for the mk8 Clubsport as part of a model year update. Alternatively, whatever the 19” option is on the mk8 R could be offered as an option on the Clubsport (the mk7 Clubsport got the optional 19” Prets off the mk7 R). However, if this does happen, IMO it won’t be until after the mk8 R has been officially unveiled.
Now More wheels!!, as a was wonder why not before!! :grin: :smiley:
(https://forumbilder.com/i/rqhu)
https://forumbilder.com/i/rqhu
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I’ve only just seen the images of the black Estoril alloys today. What do people think of them?
(https://i.postimg.cc/qRFbV34s/95-ADAB5-B-ABB4-4-C4-A-A858-64-EBA8-FB468-C.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Kknrt4Kj)
(https://i.postimg.cc/nVyxqsB9/C5684-C91-AEEA-4-C46-B94-B-CDD21-D726948.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/pyJ3HL0P)
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I’ve only just seen the images of the black Estoril alloys today. What do people think of them?
(https://i.postimg.cc/qRFbV34s/95-ADAB5-B-ABB4-4-C4-A-A858-64-EBA8-FB468-C.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Kknrt4Kj)
(https://i.postimg.cc/nVyxqsB9/C5684-C91-AEEA-4-C46-B94-B-CDD21-D726948.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/pyJ3HL0P)
Awesome!, and you can get these on the Standard GTI aswell now! :laugh:
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I really like them too. Never sure about black alloys but I do associate them with the CS and Edition GTIs.
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I'd take them over diamond cut every time.
6 euros a month? I'm in :grin: :grin: :grin:
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I'd take them over diamond cut every time.
6 euros a month? I'm in :grin: :grin: :grin:
My thoughts exactly Fred!
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Estoril? Recycling mk2 Golf wheel names. Maybe we can have some mk2 paint colours too.
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I'd take them over diamond cut every time.
6 euros a month? I'm in :grin: :grin: :grin:
My thoughts exactly Fred!
And me too. I dislike diamond cut alloys with a passion! :angry:. Black alloys wouldn’t be my first choice, but I’d definitely have them in preference to diamond cut.
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Estoril... Shouldn't they be blue? :laugh:
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My only reservation is that black alloys don’t seem to fill the arches the same and the Mk8 needs all the help it can get in that respect. Looking forward to seeing these on an actual car though.
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New car with what looks like polo r line wheels :grin:
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Right, I’ve done a bit of maths this morning. I’ve been looking at the percentage price difference in Ireland between the various performance Golfs as their pricing has been announced. Their percentage differences between models appear to be roughly double ours. So I’m estimating that the new CS will carry a premium of £2798 ish over the dsg gti. So the CS will weigh in at £37,778. Just my idea. Feel free to disagree!
Couldn’t be bothered working out the R!
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Oh go on then!
R will be £39,877.
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Right, I’ve done a bit of maths this morning. I’ve been looking at the percentage price difference in Ireland between the various performance Golfs as their pricing has been announced. Their percentage differences between models appear to be roughly double ours. So I’m estimating that the new CS will carry a premium of £2798 ish over the dsg gti. So the CS will weigh in at £37,778. Just my idea. Feel free to disagree!
Couldn’t be bothered working out the R!
Thanks for the estimation, hopefully we’ll find out soon! Do the IRL prices include Road Tax? I reckon you are close though, £38k for the CS would be tempting especially if the discount is similar to the std GTI, that would be roughly the same price as I paid for my ED40 4 years ago!
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I’m not sure tbh! One thing I do know is that Ireland pay a lot more for their cars. An R works out at £56k as a straight conversion!!
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Irish man here :smiley:
Here’s a link below to the Irish product guide and prices for anyone interested.
Clubsport is €52.5k. On a straight deal you might hope to get a ~2k discount on that.
PCP is 1.9% APR with a GFV of about €22k.
Our cars are double taxed :sad: There’s VAT of 21% and then another tax, VRT (vehicle registration tax) of 26% in this car’s case, is applied on top of that again!!
Interestingly, for some reason, the Co2 figure is 1g lower on the CS than the regular GTI. How that’s possible I don’t know but because of this, it’s cheaper to spec 19’s on a CS than on a standard GTI. The 19’s add 3g Co2 which tips the car up to 171g which is into the next VRT / road tax band! Whereas the CS tops out at 170 g.
The R has gone crazy money tbh. I bought an R in 2015 for approx 46k. A new one is the bones of €20k more now :shocked:
https://www.volkswagen.ie/idhub/content/dam/onehub_pkw/importers/ie/models/product-guides/2020/2020-11-18/201116_GOLFGTX_MY21.pdf
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Things I noted from the Irish price list;-
The GTE gets a €5k government grant making it the cheapest option out of all the Performance Golf's, which is the way it should be over here if the government wanted to encourage uptake. It also gets a head-up display and Discover Pro as standard.
The GTi manual is €4k cheaper than the DSG version :undecided:
Despite the on going persecution of diesel, the VRT percentage is still quite a bit lower for the GTD than it is for the GTi (annual road tax is about half).
Option prices seem to vary in price between GTi / GTD / GTE, I'm guessing this is something to do with tax / VRT. Textbook example of how to complicate pricing.
The Clubsport 'Racing Package features 19 inch 'Scottsdale' alloy wheels. Anyone seen these yet?
There's a 'Black Styling Package' on the way that omits the coloured strip through the grille.
The standard colour in Ireland is Urano Grey, they have to pay extra for white.
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Yes, the aforementioned VRT is applied to factory fitted options too. And the GTD / GTI / R are each in different VRT bands. So the exact same wheels for example are cheaper on a GTD than on a GTI.
The Estoril wheels would be my choice.
Manual to DSG is 4K yeah! Makes the manual car relatively good value if you’re not bothered about DSG.
Pure white always used to be free. Now it’s €215. Another way to screw us I guess.
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Estoril wheels are my favourites too. Unsurprisingly they're also the most expensive :rolleyes:
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Right, I’ve done a bit of maths this morning. I’ve been looking at the percentage price difference in Ireland between the various performance Golfs as their pricing has been announced. Their percentage differences between models appear to be roughly double ours. So I’m estimating that the new CS will carry a premium of £2798 ish over the dsg gti. So the CS will weigh in at £37,778. Just my idea. Feel free to disagree!
Couldn’t be bothered working out the R!
I've just sat down to work it all out and I see you've had a crack already. Have to say my calculation is pretty similar with £37,186 to £37,321 for the GTI Clubsport. So think its safe to say will be £37ish
Don't like the calculation of the R so I hope your right on your estimate.....I came out as £42,677 - £44,633 Ouch!!!! but unfortunately probabaly realistic in today's climate
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Right, I’ve done a bit of maths this morning. I’ve been looking at the percentage price difference in Ireland between the various performance Golfs as their pricing has been announced. Their percentage differences between models appear to be roughly double ours. So I’m estimating that the new CS will carry a premium of £2798 ish over the dsg gti. So the CS will weigh in at £37,778. Just my idea. Feel free to disagree!
Couldn’t be bothered working out the R!
I've just sat down to work it all out and I see you've had a crack already. Have to say my calculation is pretty similar with £37,186 to £37,321 for the GTI Clubsport. So think its safe to say will be £37ish
Don't like the calculation of the R so I hope your right on your estimate.....I came out as £42,677 - £44,633 Ouch!!!! but unfortunately probabaly realistic in today's climate
Definitely ouch on the R pricing! Not a surprise that there’s so much talk on the R forum of people keeping their cars or changing to something non-Vw.
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Thought I’d post this here too in case people don’t read the R thread. Reckon this’ll be the CS price then. Not my find either. Great detective work by Martin dy.
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@king monkey we were pretty close on the old Clubsport price. It seems a little more palatable than the R pricing. Good to see the R appears to be under £40K, after some apocalyptic estimates (incl me) but not by much.
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Andy, I’ll take this as proof that we’re brilliant. Obviously, if we hadn’t been so close I would have deleted our original ideas!
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Andy, I’ll take this as proof that we’re brilliant. Obviously, if we hadn’t been so close I would have deleted our original ideas!
:grin: :laugh:
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CS on DTD with options. £34.4k in white with 19s and DCC.
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This doesn’t include a Vw fibs de contribution either as they haven’t been announced.
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CS on DTD with options. £34.4k in white with 19s and DCC.
They are what, another £1510 to add those two options to a GTI...
Boggo standard clubby then is £32.9k, VW deposit contrib likely to be £1250.... on that basis a clubby is probably less than a grand more expensive than a basic GTI?
That sounds too good to be true doesn't it?
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CS on DTD with options. £34.4k in white with 19s and DCC.
They are what, another £1510 to add those two options to a GTI...
Boggo standard clubby then is £32.9k, VW deposit contrib likely to be £1250.... on that basis a clubby is probably less than a grand more expensive than a basic GTI?
That sounds too good to be true doesn't it?
Firstly, thanks for interpreting my terrible post. Predictive text!
Secondly, the new CS is £37.2k listed on DTD and C2C. A bog standard one is £33.1k with discount. I think that the prices on those two websites will be right.