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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Jim_mk7.5 on 28 April 2020, 14:35
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Nearly fell out of bed this morning whilst having a nosey on Autotrader.
Unregistered 7.5 R with full spec - £49,215 but a bargain as now reduced to just £47,215... :grin:
Think they used the parts bin up on this one - Akra, Pan roof, R Perf Pack, Prets, Leather, Dynaudio, CF door mirrors etc.
I mean, who on earth would buy this unless the PCP was about £500 a month.
(https://i.postimg.cc/pdQMyTg3/Screenshot_2020-04-28_at_14.25.41.png) (https://postimg.cc/yJNbbV6T)
Made me check some others as was looking at red Golfs with pan roofs - Found this 19 plate R with under 3k miles and Prets and Pan for £29k so almost £20k less.
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Nearly fell out of bed this morning whilst having a nosey on Autotrader.
Unregistered 7.5 R with full spec - £49,215 but a bargain as now reduced to just £47,215... :grin:
Think they used the parts bin up on this one - Akra, Pan roof, R Perf Pack, Prets, Leather, Dynaudio, CF door mirrors etc.
I mean, who on earth would buy this unless the PCP was about £500 a month.
(https://i.postimg.cc/pdQMyTg3/Screenshot_2020-04-28_at_14.25.41.png) (https://postimg.cc/yJNbbV6T)
Made me check some others as was looking at red Golfs with pan roofs - Found this 19 plate R with under 3k miles and Prets and Pan for £29k so almost £20k less.
That is mental! On my GTI I have the Pan roof, the Brescias, the leather, the Dynaudio, the reversing camera, White Silver paint, the DCC, the performance pack, and ok, it was ex-demo, 6 months old... but it was sub 30k! Now would I pay an extra nearly 20 grand for the pleasure of a new R? Not on your f*****g nelly! :grin: :grin:
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Clucking bell! Mine feels a bit of a bargain now. Who on earth is going to pay that? The depreciation is going to be monumental...
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But the TCR could end up like that - in fact did after VW UK decided to add the akra to it.
Crazy price, crazy depreciation...
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:shocked:
The thing is people will and do buy Golfs at that price point. Not many granted!
For someone who is loaded and probably has a collection of other cars that wants a Golf (for its size, image and under the radar styling) or someone that has a very well paid job/pension and just happens to like Golfs it’d not bring them out in a sweat.
The fact an A45 or RS3 would probably be cheaper on finance wouldn’t be the issue to some. They likely pay cash anyway.
It’s surprising what a diverse market a Golf has.
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My TCR was £33,495.
It was brand new unregistered stock, it had a number of options including the Pure Grey/Black roof combination and 19" with DCC.
In fact the only thing it doesn't have that the R does it the pan roof.
That R is actually more expensive than my S3 saloon was, and it was also fully loaded. You would have to be crazy to pay that sort of money for any hot hatch.
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The R performance pack was a £2300 option.
The matching Akra exhaust was £2,975
It only came on DSG cars, so was £44,460 before you added anything else.
Lets see, what else have you got:
Pan roof £1000?
Prets £1500?
Leather £1500?
Dynaudio £800?
CF door mirrors... £500?
Sounds about right, just shy of £50k RRP.
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Our rs3 cost the previous owner 58k new but 50k for a golf r :laugh:
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I like the Golf R but its not a £50k car. The £50k hatch brigade have more power and demand the price.
The '19 plate I found with 3k on almost looks identical for a rather normal £29k. You'd have to be bonkers to pay £50k for one!
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I like the Golf R but its not a £50k car. The £50k hatch brigade have more power and demand the price.
The '19 plate I found with 3k on almost looks identical for a rather normal £29k. You'd have to be bonkers to pay £50k for one!
50k for any hot hatch is bonkers but the worlds gone mad a top sec Audi ttrs is close to 68k :grin:
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I cannot see anyone that may consider paying that sort of money wanting it to be red. i think they made a mistake with the colour choice when specing to that sort of level. Maybe I'm wrong but I know i ruled it out when looking because of the colour.
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Asker would like that. :whistle:
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I think with the right wheels, a facelift red R looks pretty good.
That said, the new A45 S makes the R look like a boring hatchback in comparison so I still don't think anyone considering spending £50k on a hatch would even look at a Golf at that price. Most newish ones are around late £30k so nearly £10k cheaper. RS3 is also way more tempting and has another 100bhp and an engine that sounds amazing.
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Anyone remember the Mk6 GTIs with the hideous ABT body kits that Listers were trying to knock out for c.£40k about 10 years ago?
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Anyone remember the Mk6 GTIs with the hideous ABT body kits that Listers were trying to knock out for c.£40k about 10 years ago?
Or the Adidas edition :grin:
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I think with the right wheels, a facelift red R looks pretty good.
That said, the new A45 S makes the R look like a boring hatchback in comparison so I still don't think anyone considering spending £50k on a hatch would even look at a Golf at that price. Most newish ones are around late £30k so nearly £10k cheaper. RS3 is also way more tempting and has another 100bhp and an engine that sounds amazing.
Some people like boring looking hatchbacks :grin: I'm in my 50s and you wouldn't get me driving an A45S - does it come with a back to front baseball cap?
I think that red R looks fantastic, though agreed wouldn't pay £50k for one.
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I think with the right wheels, a facelift red R looks pretty good.
I think that red R looks fantastic, though agreed wouldn't pay £50k for one.
TR, black mirrors and silver Prets, looks great to me too!
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I think with the right wheels, a facelift red R looks pretty good.
That said, the new A45 S makes the R look like a boring hatchback in comparison so I still don't think anyone considering spending £50k on a hatch would even look at a Golf at that price. Most newish ones are around late £30k so nearly £10k cheaper. RS3 is also way more tempting and has another 100bhp and an engine that sounds amazing.
Some people like boring looking hatchbacks :grin: I'm in my 50s and you wouldn't get me driving an A45S - does it come with a back to front baseball cap?
Without the unnecessary aero extras, the new A45 S looks mean and purposeful in a subtle sort of way. A hatchback with the performance to rival a 5-year-old supercar.
(https://i.postimg.cc/0yg6z7PV/Screenshot-2020-04-29-at-10-19-12.png) (https://postimg.cc/PP4fcpLD)
(https://i.postimg.cc/kXR6MT3V/Screenshot-2020-04-29-at-10-19-39.png) (https://postimg.cc/bs8N3Hv8)
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Admittedly it does look much better without the aerofoil.
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I cannot see anyone that may consider paying that sort of money wanting it to be red. i think they made a mistake with the colour choice when specing to that sort of level. Maybe I'm wrong but I know i ruled it out when looking because of the colour.
I find this a bit of an odd argument. Just because you can't see anyone paying £50k for a red car, it doesn't mean somebody won't. For every one person who won't, there's probably another who might/would. :huh:
I paid the thick end of nearly £70k for a brand new bright red RS4 back in 2015, why, because I liked the colour and didn't want the mundane Black/Grey/White default choice. I nearly paid extra for a stock Riviera Blue car, but it was a bit too out there for me when I saw it in the metal. The Riviera Blue car sold the following week, so that proves that just because I didn't want it, somebody else did.
Subjectiveness is exactly that, subjective, it has no bearing on the total cost of a car. Having said that, it's a £50k Golf, but as has already been pointed out, there are buyers out there for that car without a doubt. Cash buyers who don't care about saving a couple of grand, and people who want something different from the norm.
Some people think I'm mad for speccing a GTI to nearly £39k and they've asked the question "why didn't you buy an R instead?" The answer is short and simple, because for every one of me there's another who thinks differently.
Horses for courses :)
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At the other end of the spectrum, my Ebay search has just highlight a low mileage 2013 GTI PP for £10,000
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Asker would like that. :whistle:
That’s exactly what I thought :grin: :grin:
Without the unnecessary aero extras, the new A45 S looks mean and purposeful in a subtle sort of way. A hatchback with the performance to rival a 5-year-old supercar.
I think because all the press launch cars had the aero kit people assume the A45S comes with it, which is a shame as without it the car is both menacing and understated at the same time.
If I had £50k and wanted a sporty small family hatch I’d far rather put my money into the A45 than an out of date Golf (and I’m in my fifties so too old for aero kits and the like).
Besides, even if I didn’t have that £50k in personal cash or business funds that my accountant wanted me to throw into a vehicle so I could tax dodge I wouldn’t mind betting that the A45 would be cheaper on finance than a £50k Golf where £12k(?) is optional extras (and ironically the cheapest “option” was the “free” paint).
When I first saw the photo in post #1 I assumed the dealership would be a Home Counties or even more likely a West London dealership. Somewhere where £50k would be peanuts to many buyers.
I was surprised to see it was Wrexham VW. Makes me wonder whether the sales manager had any say in the car’s spec or whether VW UK just made them take it on.
Then again Wrexham isn’t too far from the Cheshire set I suppose.
Wrexham VW used to visit here occasionally but I’ve not seen them post for ages and ages. Maybe the staff member moved on.
In my opinion the car would look a lot better with black Pretorias. I was never a fan of black alloys but they seem to suit the mk7/7.5 well.
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A45 (not S), ~£40k
Residual value after 3 years and 60k miles.... £18k
Not too bad, not sure what sort of discounts are available, but £18k residual is better than a Golf and better than a BMW somehow.
Also not sure what you get in terms of kit - Merc's website is really hard to work out.
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https://centralukvehicleleasing.co.uk/lease-mercedes-benz-a-class-amg-hatchback-a35-4matic-5dr-auto_MEAC20A355HPTA4~6.htm/
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When I first saw the photo in post #1 I assumed the dealership would be a Home Counties or even more likely a West London dealership. Somewhere where £50k would be peanuts to many buyers.
I was surprised to see it was Wrexham VW. Makes me wonder whether the sales manager had any say in the car’s spec or whether VW UK just made them take it on.
Then again Wrexham isn’t too far from the Cheshire set I suppose.
Wrexham is my nearest VW dealer and I visited them a couple of times when I was shopping around for a GTI. Nice bunch to deal with but their prices always seemed high and they weren't willing to budge much. It is surprising as Wrexham isn't what you would call an affluent area.
Inchcape in Chester and Bromborough had cheaper cars but they weren't great to deal with.
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I have seen other dealers I am sure 'trying it on' with highly specced cars at ridiculously high prices just seeing if a punter falls for it and pays the asking price (or near to it).
Clearly they are in no rush to sell it and there must be huge wiggle room on a Golf R that is marked up for near £50K.
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My local dealer up in Durham had an R fully loaded similar to the one on the OP. £47k list price was on sale at £33950 last time I looked. It's a demo so some miles are going on but still it's a big reduction.
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My local dealer up in Durham had an R fully loaded similar to the one on the OP. £47k list price was on sale at £33950 last time I looked. It's a demo so some miles are going on but still it's a big reduction.
I’ve seen the way staff in dealerships treat demo cars never mind any customers that’s had them :grin:
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My local dealer up in Durham had an R fully loaded similar to the one on the OP. £47k list price was on sale at £33950 last time I looked. It's a demo so some miles are going on but still it's a big reduction.
I’ve seen the way staff in dealerships treat demo cars never mind any customers that’s had them :grin:
What have you seen?
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In my opinion the car would look a lot better with black Pretorias. I was never a fan of black alloys but they seem to suit the mk7/7.5 well.
Black wheels just scream Nova/Corsa guy on finance :laugh: :lipsrsealed: :evil: :drool: :wink: :grin:
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My local dealer up in Durham had an R fully loaded similar to the one on the OP. £47k list price was on sale at £33950 last time I looked. It's a demo so some miles are going on but still it's a big reduction.
I’ve seen the way staff in dealerships treat demo cars never mind any customers that’s had them :grin:
What have you seen?
they don't care about them lets just say that and nor do the customers taking them for test drives or every technician in the branch on lunch duty :whistle:
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In my opinion the car would look a lot better with black Pretorias. I was never a fan of black alloys but they seem to suit the mk7/7.5 well.
Black wheels just scream Nova/Corsa guy on finance :laugh: :lipsrsealed: :evil: :drool: :wink: :grin:
Geoff, it’s not 1998 anymore! :grin:
Mind you, I have black wheels and a black roof - dread to think what that says about me!! :shocked: :grin:
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My local dealer up in Durham had an R fully loaded similar to the one on the OP. £47k list price was on sale at £33950 last time I looked. It's a demo so some miles are going on but still it's a big reduction.
I’ve seen the way staff in dealerships treat demo cars never mind any customers that’s had them :grin:
What have you seen?
they don't care about them lets just say that and nor do the customers taking them for test drives or every technician in the branch on lunch duty :whistle:
this one was the sales managers demo and I think no one else was allowed to use it. They wouldn't even allow customers out to drive it without someone bring in with them.
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I can imagine there will be a few that treat the car as if it's a personal car but in 27 years I've seen some shocking things
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In my opinion the car would look a lot better with black Pretorias. I was never a fan of black alloys but they seem to suit the mk7/7.5 well.
Black wheels just scream Nova/Corsa guy on finance :laugh: :lipsrsealed: :evil: :drool: :wink: :grin:
Geoff, it’s not 1998 anymore! :grin:
Mind you, I have black wheels and a black roof - dread to think what that says about me!! :shocked: :grin:
I know :grin: :wink: Maybe midlife :wink: :grin:
Im on some of the mk6 and mk7 facebook pages and the teenagers / start of their 20s who would have had a corsa years ago are now on finance and have GTI/R instead all you read is bagging threads and black wheel threads. :huh:
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For that money you can get a BMW M340i. Straight 6 x drive.
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For that money you can get a BMW M340i. Straight 6 x drive.
There are a lot of options at £50k that make a Golf at that price seem completely absurd.
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For that money you can get a BMW M340i. Straight 6 x drive.
There are a lot of options at £50k that make a Golf at that price seem completely absurd.
But what if the person just wants a Golf? I really don't understand this price v product argument, its meaningless as price is a value put on it by a person and if a person wants one thing then offering an alternative is irrelevant.
My ex had a cheap Golf lease deal. There were cheaper and better specced cars available for the money with double clutch or ZF boxes, better spec etc, but all she wanted was a 5 door manual Golf, so that's what she got.
Granted if there were two red Golf R's similar spec and one was cheaper, I understand why it would be absurd to buy the more expensive one (but again, if money was no object that argument falters slightly), but that's apples v apples, not apples v oranges.
:huh:
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For that money you can get a BMW M340i. Straight 6 x drive.
There are a lot of options at £50k that make a Golf at that price seem completely absurd.
But what if the person just wants a Golf? I really don't understand this price v product argument, its meaningless as price is a value put on it by a person and if a person wants one thing then offering an alternative is irrelevant.
My ex had a cheap Golf lease deal. There were cheaper and better specced cars available for the money with double clutch or ZF boxes, better spec etc, but all she wanted was a 5 door manual Golf, so that's what she got.
Granted if there were two red Golf R's similar spec and one was cheaper, I understand why it would be absurd to buy the more expensive one (but again, if money was no object that argument falters slightly), but that's apples v apples, not apples v oranges.
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But I guess as much as your ex missus wanted a Golf, would she have got an 'expensive' Golf lease deal? Everyone wants to get a good deal or drive something they thought they might not be able to drive.
The Golf, no matter what model or how many toys have been chucked at it, isn't a £50k car. No-one would think it is so doesn't matter how loaded the person is, the price is an issue. You want a new/almost new Golf R, you get one for £35-£40k. If you are spending £50k, you either want more performance or a more premium car. Plus the new one is on the horizon and the current one, when all said and done, is an older generation car. IMO.
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But I guess as much as your ex missus wanted a Golf, would she have got an 'expensive' Golf lease deal? Everyone wants to get a good deal or drive something they thought they might not be able to drive.
She could have had a 5dr DSG 'R' or one of those cheap M135i deals that were doing the rounds, both for £20-£30 more per month. Or a Lean 5Dr manual (with equivalent engine) for £30-40 a month less. Both no brainers in my book when comparing... but she wanted a manual, 5 door petrol Golf, so that's what she got. It was cheap on paper, but compared to the market it was avg/expensive.
The Golf, no matter what model or how many toys have been chucked at it, isn't a £50k car. No-one would think it is so doesn't matter how loaded the person is, the price is an issue. You want a new/almost new Golf R, you get one for £35-£40k. If you are spending £50k, you either want more performance or a more premium car.
To you maybe, but to others probably not. Your own subjectiveness doesn't make the Golf not worth £50k, because it's exactly that, subjective. Ones person's attitude to money is different to the next persons. Exclusive paint on an Audi will cost you £2500-£3000, and some view that as madness, but plenty of people pay it.
As mentioned in this thread, a red fully loaded Golf R is a very rare thing, so if you were a cash buyer looking for something like that, you have found your car. True, the audience for that car is smaller, but there is an audience, that's my point.
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But I guess as much as your ex missus wanted a Golf, would she have got an 'expensive' Golf lease deal? Everyone wants to get a good deal or drive something they thought they might not be able to drive.
She could have had a 5dr DSG 'R' or one of those cheap M135i deals that were doing the rounds, both for £20-£30 more per month. Or a Lean 5Dr manual (with equivalent engine) for £30-40 a month less. Both no brainers in my book when comparing... but she wanted a manual, 5 door petrol Golf, so that's what she got. It was cheap on paper, but compared to the market it was avg/expensive.
The Golf, no matter what model or how many toys have been chucked at it, isn't a £50k car. No-one would think it is so doesn't matter how loaded the person is, the price is an issue. You want a new/almost new Golf R, you get one for £35-£40k. If you are spending £50k, you either want more performance or a more premium car.
To you maybe, but to others probably not. Your own subjectiveness doesn't make the Golf not worth £50k, because it's exactly that, subjective. Ones person's attitude to money is different to the next persons. Exclusive paint on an Audi will cost you £2500-£3000, and some view that as madness, but plenty of people pay it.
As mentioned in this thread, a red fully loaded Golf R is a very rare thing, so if you were a cash buyer looking for something like that, you have found your car. True, the audience for that car is smaller, but there is an audience, that's my point.
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Yes, that's why I put IMO at the end which you missed off your quote :wink:
Still, I would hazard a guess if you asked the motoring population, is the Golf a £50k car, I think you would find the answer would be no. Prices are creeping up and I'm sure £45k + Golfs will be more commonplace later in the year or 2021 when the Mk8 R arrives.
Audi exclusive paint is cheap by Lamborghini standards. A friend spec'd their Aventador SV in Verde Scandal which I think was an £11k option.
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Audi own Lamborghini :grin:
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Audi own Lamborghini :grin:
Indeed they do. They don't charge the same prices though :smiley:
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Audi own Lamborghini :grin:
Indeed they do. They don't charge the same prices though :smiley:
Have you seen the bill to replace rs6 or rs7 brakes :shocked: there not that far apart from Lamborghini its 3k for an s8 headlight
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Audi own Lamborghini :grin:
I thought Lamborghini was part of VAG, just like Audi.
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Audi own Lamborghini :grin:
I thought Lamborghini was part of VAG, just like Audi.
Yes, part of VAG but:
The company is owned by the Volkswagen Group through its subsidiary Audi.