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Title: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Blueskiesdz on 22 March 2020, 10:14: Hi everyone,

I’m new to the forum and have recently changed from a 7.5 R to a 7.5 GTI Performance in manual. I actually prefer it as it’s more fun to drive and engaging ! I miss the black pret 19’s on it and wondered if anyone has fitted them (18 or 19) to the GTI ? Mine is solid white and I’d go with the OEM or reproductions. There’s a massive difference in price and after reading on here it may well be worth a punt ! Be interested to hear from anyone who’s fitted them to their car.

Thanks
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: jaceyboy on 22 March 2020, 16:16: I fitted reps (CM Wheels) 19" Prets to my wifes 2014 GTi MK7, love the look, wish I had spent more money on decent tyres that had more of curb protectors on them, was going to go Gloss Black but decided on Grey in the end as Black always shows brake dust, I like the look :smug:

(https://i.ibb.co/wpGyCv4/20180601-115337735-i-OS.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TPjcRCt)
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 22 March 2020, 17:43: Quote from: Blueskiesdz on 22 March 2020, 10:14
Hi everyone,

I’m new to the forum and have recently changed from a 7.5 R to a 7.5 GTI Performance in manual. I actually prefer it as it’s more fun to drive and engaging ! I miss the black pret 19’s on it and wondered if anyone has fitted them (18 or 19) to the GTI ? Mine is solid white and I’d go with the OEM or reproductions. There’s a massive difference in price and after reading on here it may well be worth a punt ! Be interested to hear from anyone who’s fitted them to their car.

Thanks

Prets will go straight on. Think they look great on a GTI.
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Blueskiesdz on 22 March 2020, 18:25: They look good in grey, did you notice any quality differences over OEM ? I just thought the 18’s would be a cheaper option on the tyre front. I’ve got the Parker’s on it at the moment and too be fair they don’t look bad I just think black alloys would look good on a white car like they do on the R with prets.
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Watts on 22 March 2020, 18:31: VW do 18" Prets in gloss black. There's a main dealer on ebay who regularly advertises them for about £1100.
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Blueskiesdz on 22 March 2020, 19:03: Is it worth spending the extra £650 over CM wheels 🤔 I’ve seen them on eBay for £1240. They don’t seem on pictures I’ve seen to look any different to OEM’s. I did also think perhaps a second hand set of Brescia or Santiago but again I can get them in reproductions too...
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Watts on 22 March 2020, 19:26: Only you can decide on the value aspect. I would say though that 18" Pretorias that I have seen on cars (only in pictures mind) don't quite look right, they look great in 19s but genuine ones cost a fortune. A point in favour of the CM wheels which seem to be quite popular. Also they would be much cheaper to replace the odd one if it gets damaged. Brescia and Santiagos are both diamond cut which could be a factor to take into account if you live somewhere that gets the roads gritted lots in winter. Why not give a set of CM wheels a go, if you don't like them and decide to sell you can't lose too much :smiley:
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Guzzle on 22 March 2020, 20:04: If you go for the CM 18's, just bear in mind that the offset and wheel width aren't the same as the OEM version. CM's are ET45 and 8J, OEM are ET51 and 7.5J.
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Blueskiesdz on 22 March 2020, 20:12: I had Santiago’s on my gtd and the salt certainly ruined them over a 7 year period ! I suppose I could have got them refurbed though. I just wasn’t keen on the 19’s due to 4 new tyres too 😬 With the cm 18’s not being the same as oem, how is this overcome to get them on the vehicle ? Sorry is ET wheel width or offset ? I’m new to changing wheels so apologies for sounding thick.
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: MKgti on 22 March 2020, 20:17: (https://i.postimg.cc/v86HDDm9/20181216-130732.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0rPqBkD2)multi image upload (https://postimages.org/)

These are CM wheels 18" with winter tyres
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Guzzle on 22 March 2020, 20:24: The CM's will go on the vehicle just the same as the OEM's. They're half an inch wider though, so the 225 tyres will be a bit more snug than they would be on OEM wheels. They will look a little better in the arch though sitting slightly further out.

This is the difference;-

https://www.willtheyfit.com/index.php?width=225&aspect=40&diameter=18&wheelwidth=7.5&offset=51&width2=225&aspect2=40&wheel_size=18&wheel_width=8&offset2=45
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Exonian on 22 March 2020, 20:25: Better to bounce through potholes with a £500 set than do the same with a £1000 plus set of wheels.

A vote for CM Wheels here.

The 8x19 ET45 reps look marginally better in the arches than standard OEM Pretorias too.
The grey ones look really good.

Would probably go Borbet FF1 in black if I was fitting 18’s personally but 8x18 Pretoria reps sit better than VW OEM accessory 7.5 x 18 Pretoria wheels.

Clubsport/TCR Belvedere/Quaranta alloys also look great on a regular GTI.

Quote from: Blueskiesdz on 22 March 2020, 20:12
is ET wheel width or offset ? I’m new to changing wheels so apologies for sounding thick.

You don’t sound thick, we were all new to it at one time!

ET is offset, width is often referred to in inches or demoted by a J (the J is to do with the tyre bead profile used for cars).

Any questions just ask away, plenty of knowledge on this forum.
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Blueskiesdz on 22 March 2020, 20:47: Quote from: MKgti on 22 March 2020, 20:17
(https://i.postimg.cc/v86HDDm9/20181216-130732.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0rPqBkD2)multi image upload (https://postimages.org/)

These are CM wheels 18" with winter tyres
that’s great thanks ! Nice to see them fitted to a 7.5 to give me an idea. Did they go straight on without any drama ?
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Blueskiesdz on 22 March 2020, 20:56: I have to say this forum is excellent with helpful members - thanks ! I’m from an era of xr2’s, rs turbo’s and cossie’s ! Yep I’m old.... As I said I bought the 7.5 r and found it got too much interest from the wrong kind ! I had it on a 30 day return policy so changed it for an 8 mth old gti performance in manual. I actually prefer it as I’m finding it more agile. Anyway so 18’s or 19’s 🤔😂
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Blueskiesdz on 22 March 2020, 21:13: I did look at the tcr reps too. There’s a lot of choice out there !
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Watts on 22 March 2020, 21:23: 19s do look good :smiley: TCR reps (Reifnitz presumably) sound good. I think they are a great looking wheel, nice and chunky.

(https://i.postimg.cc/KzwfDHKc/20200211-124345.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vg75QXLC)

Not a great picture but hopefully it helps :smiley:
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Blueskiesdz on 22 March 2020, 22:35: Quote from: Watts on 22 March 2020, 21:23
19s do look good :smiley: TCR reps (Reifnitz presumably) sound good. I think they are a great looking wheel, nice and chunky.

(https://i.postimg.cc/KzwfDHKc/20200211-124345.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vg75QXLC)

Not a great picture but hopefully it helps :smiley:
Quote from: Watts on 22 March 2020, 21:23
19s do look good :smiley: TCR reps (Reifnitz presumably) sound good. I think they are a great looking wheel, nice and chunky.

They do... Too much choice DEFINITELY! Where did you get them from and do they look as good (in the metal)as oem??
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Watts on 22 March 2020, 22:50: Sorry, I may have caused a misunderstanding, mine came with the car as in OEM. Just an illustration of how the design looks. Pretorias are a great wheel but I prefer the Reifnitz.
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Exonian on 22 March 2020, 22:55: CM Wheels sell Reifnitz reps in both 18 & 19”
Was tempted to sell my Belvederes back along and get a set of Reifnitz reps for clattering over potholes to save the originals.
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Blueskiesdz on 22 March 2020, 23:13: Quote from: Watts on 22 March 2020, 22:50
Sorry, I may have caused a misunderstanding, mine came with the car as in OEM. Just an illustration of how the design looks. Pretorias are a great wheel but I prefer the Reifnitz.

I did see the tcr on the side but wasn’t sure if it was ‘the car’ or a sticker to go with the repo alloys !😂 I agree very nice- it’s a decision between these and the prets then ! 18 or 19’s 😬🤔
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: jf111 on 23 March 2020, 00:17: Quote from: Exonian on 22 March 2020, 22:55
CM Wheels sell Reifnitz reps in both 18 & 19”
Was tempted to sell my Belvederes back along and get a set of Reifnitz reps for clattering over potholes to save the originals.

This is what I'm thinking of doing too
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 23 March 2020, 07:51: Cheapest genuine 19" Prets on Ebay are between £1500-2500 unless you want damaged ones. But considering all the issues with them cracking, you'd want to getting some mint ones.

Think CM wheels are definitely worth a try as huge savings.

They have 19" Reifntz in Satin Gunmetal for £500! Also, they have the 18" Prets or 19" Seville (black with polished red lip) for £500 as well which I've never personally liked in the factory grey but these do look good in this spec.

(https://i.postimg.cc/L6PvmtG5/Screenshot-2020-03-23-at-07-50-10.png) (https://postimg.cc/TpRn9Ddv)
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: mcmaddy on 23 March 2020, 08:26: I was thinking of 18" Reifnitz from CM wheels if and when I get my TCR.
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Exonian on 23 March 2020, 08:32: Those Seville wheels look so much better in 19” :smiley:
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 23 March 2020, 11:55: Quote from: Blueskiesdz on 22 March 2020, 10:14
Hi everyone,

I’m new to the forum and have recently changed from a 7.5 R to a 7.5 GTI Performance in manual. I actually prefer it as it’s more fun to drive and engaging ! I miss the black pret 19’s on it and wondered if anyone has fitted them (18 or 19) to the GTI ? Mine is solid white and I’d go with the OEM or reproductions. There’s a massive difference in price and after reading on here it may well be worth a punt ! Be interested to hear from anyone who’s fitted them to their car.

Thanks

Thought I'd share this as gives you a good idea of how a white GTI with black Prets looks. Have to say was very impressed with how this looked.

(https://i.postimg.cc/1tXmh5C0/B67001-FD-E5-C5-46-B1-B620-F06028-B1-D88-A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0MgR7xqr)
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Dunc245 on 23 March 2020, 12:17: Quote from: Blueskiesdz on 22 March 2020, 10:14
Hi everyone,

I’m new to the forum and have recently changed from a 7.5 R to a 7.5 GTI Performance in manual. I actually prefer it as it’s more fun to drive and engaging ! I miss the black pret 19’s on it and wondered if anyone has fitted them (18 or 19) to the GTI ? Mine is solid white and I’d go with the OEM or reproductions. There’s a massive difference in price and after reading on here it may well be worth a punt ! Be interested to hear from anyone who’s fitted them to their car.

Thanks

I too have a 7.5 Performance, in Atlantic Blue, and I fitted 18" genuine black Prets about a year ago. They look great to my eyes.
They are available from dealers (via ebay or walk in) and were 1100 for the set, including shipping and with new centre caps. They came with the VW paperwork and TUV cerificates etc. so legit and covered by the VW Accesories warranty.
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: jaceyboy on 23 March 2020, 12:23: 19" just look so much better :laugh:
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Blueskiesdz on 23 March 2020, 13:43: So I’ve decided I’ll go 19’s (sod it) and it’s between the gloss black prets or the satin black reifnitz. I haven’t got dcc so hopefully the ride won’t be too brutal ! I was just about to order the reifnitz then saw the tcr with prets ! 🤔😬 Decisions decisions....
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Watts on 23 March 2020, 14:05: They are filthy but perhaps these might help you decide:

(https://i.postimg.cc/90LFfncq/20200323-140036.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8frVKwJ1)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Pxz5gqcy/20200323-140053.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/dk3FdJJZ)
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: jaceyboy on 23 March 2020, 14:13: Quote from: Blueskiesdz on 23 March 2020, 13:43
So I’ve decided I’ll go 19’s (sod it) and it’s between the gloss black prets or the satin black reifnitz. I haven’t got dcc so hopefully the ride won’t be too brutal ! I was just about to order the reifnitz then saw the tcr with prets ! 🤔😬 Decisions decisions....

Prets all day long
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 23 March 2020, 16:06: Quote from: Blueskiesdz on 23 March 2020, 13:43
So I’ve decided I’ll go 19’s (sod it) and it’s between the gloss black prets or the satin black reifnitz. I haven’t got dcc so hopefully the ride won’t be too brutal ! I was just about to order the reifnitz then saw the tcr with prets ! 🤔😬 Decisions decisions....

I also got a couple of close-ups to help you decide...

(https://i.postimg.cc/Y9sfHR7X/lXGPYbYkQpKtcqL_p1ljsw.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zbTRwnVW)

(https://i.postimg.cc/G90FBpHG/EYCpJS4lSlikt6Fz14HpYQ.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/N249SB8j)
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: mcmaddy on 23 March 2020, 16:11: Pretorias are for golf R's and they buckle very easily. Common as muck too :whistle:
Reifnitz look far better.
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 23 March 2020, 16:37: Quote from: mcmaddy on 23 March 2020, 16:11
Pretorias are for golf R's and they buckle very easily. Common as much too :whistle:
Reifnitz look far better.

That would be my worry with Prets as well although I personally think they really suit the GTI as well.
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Blueskiesdz on 23 March 2020, 16:43: I think it’s the 19’s reifnitz then ! They are also something different to what I’ve had before... I’d better get them ordered before they close the borders 😳
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Blueskiesdz on 23 March 2020, 16:47: Quote from: Watts on 22 March 2020, 21:23
19s do look good :smiley: TCR reps (Reifnitz presumably) sound good. I think they are a great looking wheel, nice and chunky.

(https://i.postimg.cc/KzwfDHKc/20200211-124345.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vg75QXLC)

Not a great picture but hopefully it helps :smiley:

Any chance of a brighter photo to show off the alloys ? Close up or side on if possible against the white please 🙂
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Watts on 23 March 2020, 17:39: You may have missed my post earlier :smiley:

Quote from: Watts on 23 March 2020, 14:05
They are filthy but perhaps these might help you decide:

(https://i.postimg.cc/90LFfncq/20200323-140036.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8frVKwJ1)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Pxz5gqcy/20200323-140053.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/dk3FdJJZ)
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Watts on 23 March 2020, 17:43: I don't think you can go too far wrong either way, they are both good looking wheels. As for Pretorias buckling easily, there is quite a lot of evidence for this but since you are going for reps that isn't such an issue, certainly not as a reason to choose. It's purely down to which you prefer!
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Guzzle on 23 March 2020, 18:41: Like 'em both!

Just get two of each! :laugh:
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Blueskiesdz on 23 March 2020, 19:35: Quote from: Watts on 23 March 2020, 17:39
You may have missed my post earlier :smiley:

Quote from: Watts on 23 March 2020, 14:05
They are filthy but perhaps these might help you decide:

(https://i.postimg.cc/90LFfncq/20200323-140036.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8frVKwJ1)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Pxz5gqcy/20200323-140053.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/dk3FdJJZ)

Yes I missed it. Thanks for the pics, much appreciated 👍
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Blueskiesdz on 23 March 2020, 19:39: Do the cm alloys come with centre caps ? I’m guessing 235/35/19 will fit and any average price tyre suggestions to reduce the cost ? Thanks for all your help !
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Watts on 23 March 2020, 20:01: Quote from: Blueskiesdz on 23 March 2020, 19:35
Yes I missed it. Thanks for the pics, much appreciated 👍

:smiley:
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Exonian on 23 March 2020, 23:48: Here’s a couple of my Ed40 wearing Pretorias

(https://i.postimg.cc/yxdzLJ7m/A596935-C-4-E1-A-4012-97-B5-FFDE96-B2-A825.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/wySPvjyM)

(https://i.postimg.cc/j2skXBQB/44350-F31-9-B12-47-FA-B561-82-E87-ABEDFD9.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CBQNMP24)

Squint a bit and imagine them in anthracite grey
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Blueskiesdz on 24 March 2020, 00:11: Thanks !
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Blueskiesdz on 24 March 2020, 17:55: So.... i bought the satin black reifnitz today 🙂 What tyre size and type best suit these wheels ?
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 24 March 2020, 18:03: Quote from: Blueskiesdz on 24 March 2020, 17:55
So.... i bought the satin black reifnitz today 🙂 What tyre size and type best suit these wheels ?

Depends on what diameter wheels you bought! :grin:
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Blueskiesdz on 24 March 2020, 18:17: Oh yes 🙄 it’s the 19’s from CM
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Guzzle on 24 March 2020, 18:27: If they're 8J then the standard size is 235/35 R19 :smiley:
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Blueskiesdz on 24 March 2020, 20:29: Quote from: Guzzle on 24 March 2020, 18:27
If they're 8J then the standard size is 235/35 R19 :smiley:

Thanks 👍
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Blueskiesdz on 30 March 2020, 15:30: So I had the reifnitz rims arrive this morning and now fitted. They’re on photo bucket and I’ve copied the link but no photo’s have appeared 🤔
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 30 March 2020, 15:38: Quote from: Blueskiesdz on 30 March 2020, 15:30
So I had the reifnitz rims arrive this morning and now fitted. They’re on photo bucket and I’ve copied the link but no photo’s have appeared 🤔

Be good to see these.

Not sure, never liked Photobucket so I stick to postimage.org :smiley:
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Blueskiesdz on 30 March 2020, 15:40: (https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/i/Blueskiesdz/0/3413700C-5A25-497E-BC93-D744B7A5E7FA.jpeg) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/Blueskiesdz/p/43393b9d-fcca-4276-b7c5-cad45737b36f)
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/i/Blueskiesdz/0/9C9E8544-4503-428C-A0EA-7A5E44C0AC12.jpeg) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/Blueskiesdz/p/3f5a5e9c-ae11-4201-aa53-b7772cf0e4f4)
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/i/Blueskiesdz/0/58480E6B-119A-4F68-A2E6-650B6C480D70.jpeg) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/Blueskiesdz/p/fb4100f7-b740-4f4d-93c4-f8257f49893b)
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Blueskiesdz on 30 March 2020, 15:41: Worked it out in the end...
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Watts on 30 March 2020, 15:43: Looking great too! What tyres did you settle on?
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 30 March 2020, 15:45: Looks great.

Those stupid watermarks though, that's why I hate Photobucket! :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Blueskiesdz on 30 March 2020, 15:49: Quote from: Watts on 30 March 2020, 15:43
Looking great too! What tyres did you settle on?

Falken f510, they were £460 fitted. Hopefully a reasonable tyre and a bit better than landsail 😂
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Blueskiesdz on 30 March 2020, 15:50: Quote from: Jim_mk7.5 on 30 March 2020, 15:45
Looks great.

Those stupid watermarks though, that's why I hate Photobucket! :rolleyes:

Who else shall I use so no water marks ?
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 30 March 2020, 15:54: Quote from: Jim_mk7.5 on 30 March 2020, 15:38
Quote from: Blueskiesdz on 30 March 2020, 15:30
So I had the reifnitz rims arrive this morning and now fitted. They’re on photo bucket and I’ve copied the link but no photo’s have appeared 🤔

Be good to see these.

Not sure, never liked Photobucket so I stick to postimage.org :smiley:
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Watts on 30 March 2020, 15:56: Quote from: Blueskiesdz on 30 March 2020, 15:49
Quote from: Watts on 30 March 2020, 15:43
Looking great too! What tyres did you settle on?

Falken f510, they were £460 fitted. Hopefully a reasonable tyre and a bit better than landsail 😂

It'd be useful once they have settled in if you could post your thoughts on them :smiley:
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Blueskiesdz on 30 March 2020, 16:06: (https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/i/Blueskiesdz/0/D48A9D05-B933-48CC-9B38-18CBBB6C774E.jpeg) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/Blueskiesdz/p/c2081f9d-314e-4fc2-bbc9-a5cdda00955b)
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: jaceyboy on 30 March 2020, 16:11: Quote from: Blueskiesdz on 23 March 2020, 19:39
Do the cm alloys come with centre caps ? I’m guessing 235/35/19 will fit and any average price tyre suggestions to reduce the cost ? Thanks for all your help !

No they dont this was the one thing that really annoyed me
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Blueskiesdz on 30 March 2020, 16:18: The CM reps looked great and I couldn’t see anything cheap about them compared to OEM reifnitz that I’d looked at in my dealer. All the fittings swopped straight over without any issue, very pleased and highly recommended. It’s also worth mentioning that they were packaged very well with plastic edges over the rims and plenty of cardboard.
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: jaceyboy on 30 March 2020, 16:20: (https://i.ibb.co/Nn8r543/20180601-115303986-i-OS.jpg)
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: jaceyboy on 30 March 2020, 16:21: (https://i.ibb.co/Nn8r543/20180601-115303986-i-OS.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/s15GDJG/20180601-115326865-i-OS.jpg)
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Blueskiesdz on 30 March 2020, 16:26: Looking good ! It was between the prets and reifnitz for me and the deciding factor was I had prets on my previous car a 7.5 r so something different.
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: breezasib on 06 January 2025, 22:01: After some advice..

Looking at these CM rep prets as a replacement to my Brescias (I have DCC)
On the face of it works out cheaper than getting the Brescias refurbed but I wonder how much my insurance will go up.

https://cmwheels.com/products/19-vw-golf-r-pretoria-style-wheels-gloss-gun-metal-vw-audi-5x112/
or
https://cmwheels.com/products/19-vw-golf-r-pretoria-style-wheels-quartz-silver/

Not sure if silver or gunmetal will look better on indium grey. Leaning towards gunmetal.

Will these just go straight on? can I use the existing wheel nuts and will my current centre caps fit them?

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Exonian on 07 January 2025, 12:29: Yes, they’ll fit straight on.
Yes, you can use your existing bolts.
No, your OEM centre caps won’t fit but your bolt caps should.
Insurance is company specific, you’d have to contact your insurer. I’ve never had an issue in decades of swapping wheels but sometimes certain restrictions to the policy are put on.
I’d be tempted with gloss black on an Indium car.
You’d ideally want to run 235 tyres but the 225’s will still fit ok.
If ordering ask CM for forum discount, it normally means you’ll get free shipping.
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: breezasib on 07 January 2025, 14:08: Thanks for all the info.

LV insurance say there will be no increase in premium :smiley:
Looking around the R forums it sounds like they are shipped with black centre caps and I will need to get VW stickers to go over them.

Gloss black is not my bag so still looking at gunmetal.
Found this which looks good to me:
https://postimg.cc/1gHbwLcz (https://postimg.cc/1gHbwLcz)
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Exonian on 07 January 2025, 16:08: Not a huge fan of black wheels myself but reckon they’ll give the best contrast.
Otherwise go for the grey, I ran a set of grey CM Wheels reps for 3 years, 27k and the paint held up well.

The stickers you’ll need are 56mm from eBay at about £7 for four.
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: breezasib on 08 January 2025, 16:03: I have two almost new PS4S 225 tyres that I will swap over to the new rims.
If I then get two PS4S 235 tyres to match is it better to put the wider tyres on the front or the back or doesn't it matter?
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Exonian on 08 January 2025, 18:20: It’s not recommended to mix sizes but Audi did it on the RS3!

I’d put the new 235’s on the back as the 225’s will wear down much quicker on the front.
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: CS#303 on 10 January 2025, 08:59: Wider always on the back, some cars have it like that by design but I've never heard of any with wider at the front.
Also with a FWD car wider on the front would really increase the risk & severity of lift-off oversteer.
I went from 225 to 235 in 2 steps - 235s on the rear & 225s on the front, the fronts wear quicker then I put the new 235s on the rear and moved the existing 235s to the front.
I always put new tyres on the rear then rotate forwards. There are differing opinions to the merits of that, but it's what I've done for 20+ years of hot hatches.
BTW 235s on the GTIs look awesome and give a little bit more protection for your wheels. :smug:
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Watts on 10 January 2025, 09:39: Quote from: CS#303 on 10 January 2025, 08:59
Wider always on the back, some cars have it like that by design but I've never heard of any with wider at the front.

Audi RS3 apparently for one.
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: breezasib on 10 January 2025, 21:19: I have ordered the gunmetal. Hopefully they will turn up next week. Thanks for the tip about the forum discount.

I think I will bite the bullet and just get 4x 235 PS4s so that I have a full set of tyres on my Brescias if I need to take the car in to VW. I still have some warranty left and they use any excuse to wriggle out of a claim.

The lacquer was coming off the Brescias after they were refurbed a couple of years ago when I bought the car. They have agreed to do them again for free which is a complete result. I can then put those away and pop them back on if I ever sell up. I love the brescias but the diamond cut finish is a real PITA.

I did read somewhere that polo centre caps may fit the CM wheels (part number: 1J0601171XRW). My Son has a polo so I will pop one off and give it a try before ordering any stickers.

I have also read that the wheel bolt covers may not fit without some doctoring.
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: CS#303 on 12 January 2025, 10:00: "I think I will bite the bullet and just get 4x 235 PS4s so that I have a full set "

Good plan - probably the safest and wisest choice.

I ran 235 rear and 225 front only for a few months and didn't\don't drive it hard. But if I'd had the cash to do all 235s at once I would have.

Good luck, put a picture up once you're done.
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Exonian on 12 January 2025, 11:53: Quote from: breezasib on 10 January 2025, 21:19
I did read somewhere that polo centre caps may fit the CM wheels (part number: 1J0601171XRW). My Son has a polo so I will pop one off and give it a try before ordering any stickers.

I have also read that the wheel bolt covers may not fit without some doctoring.

I tried mk4 Golf (same size as Polo) centre caps on my CM reps and they didn’t fit so will be interested to hear if the Polo caps fit your set.
The bolt caps fitted in mine ok (not Pretoria reps though) but I’ve read reports some Pret reps struggle to accept VW bolt covers but others are ok. They probably buy in from more than one supplier or indeed the supplier uses more than one factory.
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: breezasib on 12 January 2025, 20:46: The polo caps I have (6C0.601.171) fit perfectly in the space but the clips are too short by quite some margin.

These are the only 56mm stick on ones I can find on ebay. Will give them a shot.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/405315776959 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/405315776959)
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: breezasib on 14 January 2025, 15:32: The stickers from ebay are not domed enough for the caps provided which is a pain.

(https://i.postimg.cc/44BNs47V/IMG-1787.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LhgMVpV8)

I guess I could get some OEM 56mm caps and just silicone them in?
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: SRGTD on 14 January 2025, 18:18: Quote from: breezasib on 14 January 2025, 15:32
The stickers from ebay are not domed enough for the caps provided which is a pain.

I guess I could get some OEM 56mm caps and just silicone them in?

Is another option might be to get some flat faced generic black centre caps (lots on eBay for around £5-£7 for a set of four) and a set of flat (non-domed) VW logo centre cap stickers? I’ve seen the stickers (and centre caps) in a range of sizes so you should be able to achieve a cost effective ‘VW look’, albeit one that looks a little two dimensional because the centre cap face / centre cap sticker would be flat.

There are also companies that’ll make centre cap stickers in a range of size options. You might be able to find a company that can produce a set with the same curvature as your CMWheels centre caps; worth trying an internet search on ‘custom made alloy wheel centre caps’ or similar search to see what you’re able to find. Assuming your search returns some worthwhile results, you may need to give them a call to explain the issue you’re having re. the correct curvature to fit your centre caps.
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: breezasib on 15 January 2025, 12:42: Should the tyre pressures on the 235/35/R19s be set the same as the original 225/35/R19s?
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Mikeyd1 on 15 January 2025, 19:52: Yeh mate
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: P6GTD on 18 January 2025, 11:43: Quote from: breezasib on 10 January 2025, 21:19
I have ordered the gunmetal. Hopefully they will turn up next week. Thanks for the tip about the forum discount.

I think I will bite the bullet and just get 4x 235 PS4s so that I have a full set of tyres on my Brescias if I need to take the car in to VW. I still have some warranty left and they use any excuse to wriggle out of a claim.

The lacquer was coming off the Brescias after they were refurbed a couple of years ago when I bought the car. They have agreed to do them again for free which is a complete result. I can then put those away and pop them back on if I ever sell up. I love the brescias but the diamond cut finish is a real PITA.

I did read somewhere that polo centre caps may fit the CM wheels (part number: 1J0601171XRW). My Son has a polo so I will pop one off and give it a try before ordering any stickers.

I have also read that the wheel bolt covers may not fit without some doctoring.
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: P6GTD on 18 January 2025, 11:45: Looking fwd to impressions of the wheels when they arrive.
Speed of delivery, quality of finish, etc
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: breezasib on 21 January 2025, 16:56: Sorted!

(https://i.postimg.cc/nzcc7xYm/IMG-1797.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/p94HbgSV)
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: P6GTD on 21 January 2025, 18:58: They look great, thanks for image.
Are they gunmetal? Almost looks more silver.
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Mikeyd1 on 21 January 2025, 19:34: Quote from: P6GTD on 21 January 2025, 18:58
They look great, thanks for image.
Are they gunmetal? Almost looks more silver.
looks great mate
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: breezasib on 21 January 2025, 19:42: Yes they are the gunmetal version. I think they work well against the indium grey.

The tricky bit was sourcing some centre caps and 'adjusting' the bolt covers so they fit. Very happy with the end result.
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Exonian on 22 January 2025, 17:41: They look perfect breezasib, goes to show you should stick with your gut instinct. Good choice.
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: Adam T7 on 22 January 2025, 19:37: Quote from: breezasib on 21 January 2025, 19:42
Yes they are the gunmetal version. I think they work well against the indium grey.

The tricky bit was sourcing some centre caps and 'adjusting' the bolt covers so they fit. Very happy with the end result.

Really look the business - what, and how much ‘adjusting’ was required and where did you get the centre caps?
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: breezasib on 22 January 2025, 22:37: 56mm OEM centre caps don't fit because the clips are not long enough.

First I tried stickers from eBay to go on the blank centre caps that were supplied with the wheels. (This was the recommended route from CMWheels) They weren't domed enough so I returned those.

Then I found a UK based website that said they made stickers specifically for those caps. They took my money but never shipped me anything. Credit card claim going in for that as they are ignoring my emails.

Then I ordered a selection of caps from AliExpress going by the pictures of the ones that looked like they had longer clips. and... Bingo!

The normal nut covers were not too bad. Just cut about 10mm off the back of the outer plastic section on all sides leaving the full hex internal part that grabs the nut in tact. The security covers were trickier as they needed slots cut out of them. Picked up another set of OEM covers from eBay if I need to go back to stock wheels.

The best deal I could find on the tyres was from ATS. I reluctantly took the rims in to get them fitted and thought they had done a good job, however all the balancing weights fell off the wheels overnight & I hadn't even driven the car! So had to get that sorted as well.

Got there in the end. Now I need to hope my pothole spidey sense is working.
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: P6GTD on 22 January 2025, 23:59: Thanks for all that first hand experience.

I’m a bit concerned about wheel nut covers not fitting perfectly and also weights falling off. Did the weights not get enough adhesion to the rims because of the finish?

Has anyone else had these problems with CM Prets?
Title: Re: Pretoria 18’s/19’s on 7.5
Post by: breezasib on 23 January 2025, 07:03: The weights falling off was just ATS being sh1te. They should have cleaned any wax/oils off the rims before they stuck the weights on.