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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Mutley75 on 20 February 2020, 20:33
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Don’t worry, I’m not in the wrong forum. I may be indulging in a little blasphemy, however...! But, for anyone not sold on the looks of the Mk8 Golf, how about this...
https://youtu.be/Bn3LIC8yY9Y
Looks better, costs less, effectively the same thing, all but the name. I really like it.
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Cheaper headline price, but if you calculate cost of ownership (purchase price minus resell price) , more expensive. That's the curious thing about car ownership.
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Ok but on looks alone... 🤤🤪
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Cheaper headline price, but if you calculate cost of ownership (purchase price minus resell price) , more expensive. That's the curious thing about car ownership.
Don't own it then. PCH quotes for the Mk3 Leon have been typically a good bit cheaper than the equivalent Mk7/7.5 GTi.
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Looks quite Jaguar at the front, side profile of a Mazda 3 and a bit Alfa at the back. It's ok.
Interior looks ok but will probably feel cheap (always felt Seats have least money spent on the interior across VAG. They usually spend a bit of money making the front seats look very Recaro-esque.
The Seat dealers in the North East seem to expect you to pay list price, so never previously been seriously tempted and the Ford standard door cards and dash have always put ne off.
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Having owned a Leon and a Golf fairly close to each other... the differences between them do make a big difference. They’re ‘effectively the same thing’ on paper but the feel is very different. Subtle things like sound proofing, how thick / thin some materials are, it all adds up and you definitely feel like you’re in a more premium product with the Golf.
They both rattle like a bastard though.
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Looks quite Jaguar at the front, side profile of a Mazda 3 and a bit Alfa at the back. It's ok.
The front reminds me of a Citroen DS5.
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Looks quite Jaguar at the front, side profile of a Mazda 3 and a bit Alfa at the back. It's ok.
The front reminds me of a Citroen DS5.
Agree - but the rebranded Cupra models (which are now a separate brand to SEAT) upped the interior quality a couple of notches. I’d say they’re on a par with VW now.
The wobbly touch-sensitive light switches on the dash are pretty nasty though. But then so are the paper-like plastics in the GTI if you rummage around the base of where the seatbelt feeds out of the floor.
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Looks bloody awful. Very focus like :sick: :sick:
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It’s a great alternative to the Golf and I might consider one when the time comes. I just can’t stand the alloys, but I suppose I could have an aftermarket set ready waiting.
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It’ll be fun fumbling for the touchpad for the lights in the new Cupra / new Leon - same touchpad as the mk8 Golf, but in a much more difficult to use position than in the Golf;
- mk8 Golf; above the outer air vent, next to the instrument binnacle
- new Leon; quite low down for a touch pad - below the outer air vent, out of the driver’s line of sight.
You can see it at 56sec - 1.00min in the YouTube video posted by @Mutley75 in the first post in this discussion thread.
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Is it 4wd?
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Is it 4wd?
Well it looks like its an SUV...
I'd doubt its 4wd because the ~300bhp SEAT's have always been FWD - they didn't make an R equivalent in the past.
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That looks seriously good and basically a Golf MK8 from a design and tech perspective but with a bit style.
Autogefühl's Instagram of the new Cupra Leon shows it as an e-hydrid which is interesting as VW ditched proper hybrid for the new GTI.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Z52Bf5LJ/Screenshot-2020-02-21-at-11-37-03.png) (https://postimg.cc/751ZhDcR)
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If you read this: https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/first-official-pictures/cupra/leon/
The 4WD 306bhp variant is only as an estate.
There is a 296bhp FWD hatch.
The plug in Hybrid is a different engine - a 1.4TSI - like the Golf GTE.
What we all really wanted was a 4WD 306bhp hatch that then gets some electrical goodies thrown in on top.
And that config, if it existed, would be a 65 grand car which nobody would buy because its a SEAT.
So I guess SEAT have done their maths right.
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If you read this: https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/first-official-pictures/cupra/leon/
The 4WD 306bhp variant is only as an estate.
There is a 296bhp FWD hatch.
The plug in Hybrid is a different engine - a 1.4TSI - like the Golf GTE.
What we all really wanted was a 4WD 306bhp hatch that then gets some electrical goodies thrown in on top.
And that config, if it existed, would be a 65 grand car which nobody would buy because its a SEAT.
So I guess SEAT have done their maths right.
That's interesting to read.
Whatever it got, it looks a damn sight better than any Mk8 Golf I've seen so far. More of an evolution of the old Leon as opposed to the Golf which.. well, I just don't know how to describe the outside :undecided:
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Whatever it got, it looks a damn sight better than any Mk8 Golf I've seen so far. More of an evolution of the old Leon as opposed to the Golf which.. well, I just don't know how to describe the outside :undecided:
I still say that most will be more happy when they see a final full reveal of the GTI... the test drives with fake parts glued on and the partial teaser shots I think will be forgotten...
I don't think it will stop people actually buying it.
Look back at the Mk7 GTI spy shots from 2012 if you want to see what I mean.... they look really different to what we got...
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Yes, I do agree with that.
Just saying that I think the Leon does look really good. The bumpers and wheels on the Performance version of the Golf are going to have to pretty good though! The GTE looks very average.
Let's hope they do the driving mode buttons on the wheel as well :smiley:
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Is it 4wd?
Well it looks like its an SUV...
I'd doubt its 4wd because the ~300bhp SEAT's have always been FWD - they didn't make an R equivalent in the past.
they made a Cupra R hatchback and the Cupra R ST is 4wd that you can currently buy. The hatchback was only limited numbers though.
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It's a no from me, can't say there is anything I like about it at all.
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I don't remember anyone dreading the MK7 coming because it was looking a bit ugly on paper. It was very well received - maybe because everyone was glad that the reign of the fugly MK5 facelift that was the MK6 was at an end?
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I don't remember anyone dreading the MK7 coming because it was looking a bit ugly on paper. It was very well received - maybe because everyone was glad that the reign of the fugly MK5 facelift that was the MK6 was at an end?
I actually really liked the mk6 design, it wasn’t that ugly! The mk6R was a really good looking car.
But no, the mk7 wasn’t badly received even in prototype form. Plenty of light criticism of details but generally well received and the GTI/D models instantly popular with the GTD selling in big numbers from the off.
The mk7 was never as roundly disliked like the mk8 has been.
Back on topic though, it’s interesting that they’ve taken a change of direction with the previously hardcore hot hatch VAG ‘brand’ now marketing 1.4 hybrids which must’ve been a marketing dilemma whether that model should have been more suited to SEAT FR badging.
Fake pipes on a Cupra?! :lipsrsealed: Sorry but no.
Watching a Spanish language YouTube vid of the freshly unveiled Cupra Leon earlier today, it’s curious to see the exhaust pipes are lifted straight from the Golf 7.5R estate on the Leon estate proving that this generation is just a heavy facelift with added tech, and lower quality materials being across all the VW group marques (I’ve seen reports on the A3 saying much of it is a step down from current generation).
There are some spectacularly ugly Cupra Leon wheel designs too going from the launch vid.
So what do we have? An uglier new Leon, a very ugly new Golf, no improvements in power output other than GTE and GTD equivalents, cheaper switchgear and plastics, spyware akin to Facebook, google and Amazon built in to the ‘assistive’ gadgets...
I hate being negative but am struggling to find positives.
Oh, I quite like the grey paint. There, that’ll do.
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I don't remember anyone dreading the MK7 coming because it was looking a bit ugly on paper. It was very well received - maybe because everyone was glad that the reign of the fugly MK5 facelift that was the MK6 was at an end?
I actually really liked the mk6 design, it wasn’t that ugly! The mk6R was a really good looking car.
But no, the mk7 wasn’t badly received even in prototype form. Plenty of light criticism of details but generally well received and the GTI/D models instantly popular with the GTD selling in big numbers from the off.
The mk7 was never as roundly disliked like the mk8 has been.
So what do we have? An uglier new Leon, a very ugly new Golf, no improvements in power output other than GTE and GTD equivalents, cheaper switchgear and plastics, spyware akin to Facebook, google and Amazon built in to the ‘assistive’ gadgets...
I hate being negative but am struggling to find positives.
Oh, I quite like the grey paint. There, that’ll do.
I had both a mk5 and mk6 Golf and I also preferred the mk6 design. Side and front profile of the mk5 was OK but and I always thought the mk5 rear looked odd; too ‘round’ and blobby, and the lower section of the rear bumper looked cheap and nasty - a large deep matt black plastic section that looks as if it’d been added at the last minute as an afterthought. IMO Interior plastics on the mk5 weren’t great either. Just my opinion though :whistle:.
Back on topic; neither the new Leon nor the Cupra Leon have won universal praise over on seatcupra.net forum. Most of the comments are quite negative, and very few forum members like the touchscreen overloaded interior.
In terms of styling; IMO, both the mk7/mk7.5 Golf and the outgoing mk3 Leon are good looking cars; I liked both of them from the outset. Sadly, I can’t say the same of the mk8 Golf and mk4 Leon, although I agree Mr Ex, the new Leon isn’t as ugly as the new Golf
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For me, the MK5 GT Sport and GTI looked a lot more aggressive than the MK6 (the MK6 GTI/GTD had better looking front seats than the MK5 or MK7). The Scirocco seemed a far more attractive option.
My Polo GTI+ has cheaper door cards (no rubberised top of the card to match the rubbery dash top, the grab handles are very plain) than the Golf MK7, I took that to be because the Golf has got to stand a little higher as a "premium" product. The new A1 doesn't have any better door cards than the Polo.
I suspect than the Golf's new interior will be a little less plush than the current MK7.5's. It seems to be the way VW are going when you have the T-Roc in the same price range as the MK7.5 with some seriously cheap materials being used in the cabin.
People do see the Golf as a premium mid sized hatch. If VW start making the tactile, easily noticeable stuff feel cheap, that image will be shattered.
How much more can it cost to make MK7.5 standard door cards vs Ford Focus standard door cards? £20 to add £100 to the RRP? My perception is that giving a plush interior is probably the cheapest way to project a premium image.
I haven't pored through the MK8 specs and equipment for a direct comparison, but the MK8 equivalent of the 7.5 Match 150TDI is about 11% more expensive. I think we'll be lucky to see a standard spec MK8 R creep under the premium car VED threshold.
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I agree with the above. I sat in a T-ROC R in the show room last month. I actually cannot stand this Super mini SUV type vehicle however It was sitting in the showroom in Lapiz blue with Matt dark grey Pretoria’s and I thought that looks brilliant. Sporty, fast ish family car. Then I sat in it and thought I was stepping back in time. Cheap plastics everywhere. It reminded me of my second car. A 1998 1.2 Renault Clio biarittz. And the thing that really annoyed me was the door pockets not being lined. To me it reeks of cost cutting yet we are charged no less. If that is anything to go by for the upcoming mk8 I would seriously consider looking else where. VW please start listening to your customers as you set the hatchback bench mark and others have seriously caught up.
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When I sat in the Mk8 in Germany I don't recall the interior plastics being any worse than those in my Mk7.5 GTD, except for a very long hollow section running along the dash from left to right. They're certainly miles better than the interior plastics in any T-Roc I've sat in. They're also loads better than those in the Ford Focus. Worry ye not.
Mk7.5 2.0 TDi R-Line Edition DSG list price = £28,965
Mk8 2.0 TDi R-Line DSG list price = £29,840
Mk8 is £875 more expensive than Mk7.5, or about 3%. £525 of that difference is the Active Info Display that is now standard in all Mk8's.
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Ah but do any of the 2020 VAG cars have hydraulic struts? 😎
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Ah but do any of the 2020 VAG cars have hydraulic struts? 😎
Yes the Audis :-P
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Ah but do any of the 2020 VAG cars have hydraulic struts? 😎
Yes the Audis :-P
The new Skoda Octavia has not one, but two hydraulic bonnet struts.
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Here’s the GTi...
(https://i.postimg.cc/qRXSSrQZ/FFB21-DA1-9416-4-BA7-AA40-D8-E365-CF6691.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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Here’s the GTi...
(https://i.postimg.cc/qRXSSrQZ/FFB21-DA1-9416-4-BA7-AA40-D8-E365-CF6691.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://i.postimg.cc/nhDdNZhY/9201-B3-EE-7-E31-4-ACE-9-A2-F-2-C21710-DB02-B.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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The rear of the Leon and front of the Golf and it would be spot on :evil:
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New A3 is up - https://youtu.be/afjY8qGEtTo
Again, more ‘meh’ from me I’m afraid. But at least it has a hydraulic bones strut to lord it over us VW paupers. The Leon still looks the best in the compact hatch VAG group for me.
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New A3 is up - https://youtu.be/afjY8qGEtTo
Again, more ‘meh’ from me I’m afraid. But at least it has a hydraulic bones strut to lord it over us VW paupers. The Leon still looks the best in the compact hatch VAG group for me.
Looks better than the Golf 8 overall. That being said, really not a fan of the fake venting patches on the front and back bumper that the current Civic is smattered in. The front grille is too big for the front end. Do like the front and (especially) the rear light clusters.
Like the Civic, black would suit best for all those fake grille patches to blend in.
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Interesting that the audi doesn't put the central display in line with the aid. Didn't the old audi have a display that was higher than the dash line?
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Interesting that the audi doesn't put the central display in line with the aid. Didn't the old audi have a display that was higher than the dash line?
Yes it did. That's a step backwards with a touchscreen in my view. The higher up the dash the easier to operate on the move.
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Interesting that the audi doesn't put the central display in line with the aid. Didn't the old audi have a display that was higher than the dash line?
Yes it did. That's a step backwards with a touchscreen in my view. The higher up the dash the easier to operate on the move.
I thought it was the concept of innovision too... one contiguous display strip.
Looks like they have moved the dial control thingy to in front of the gearstick too.
Curious because I thought VAG were moving to a more functional digital environment and instead Audi have moved backwards.