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Title: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: GeeTeeAye on 02 December 2019, 17:42
I took delivery of a new GTI 7.5 in Sept. Enjoying the car, but have a question.
Now I know you don't buy these cars if mpg is a concern, but i am struggling to get 20mpg. One reason I went GTI rather than R was the numerous posts and articles praising the fuel economy on GTI. For me it is a do it all car. Family duties, commuting, fun etc
The trip computer displays a reasonable return, but since the car is new it has been easy to keep track and calculate myself over last couple of months and 20-25mpg seems best I get. Until car warms up properly Im getting mid teens mpg return at best.
I do a lot of town driving, doesn't help, but commuting in eco mode and driving sensibly I can literally watch the fuel gauge go down.
I have owned a couple of 3.0l petrol and 2.0 turbo quattro cars in the past, so have some experience of larger engines, but the GTI is the thirstiest by far.
Garage assure me it will improve  around 5000 to 6000 miles.
I was just wondering if this is normal. Would be nice to put it in sport mode and enjoy a detour now and again without having to immediately replace half tank of fuel... first world problems man..... 
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: boardlord on 02 December 2019, 17:56
FYI - I have a 2019 3dr DSG PP

My first 100 hours came out at approx 2900 miles and 33MPG, the next 100 hours were slightly more miles 3000+ and 34.1MPG. I would describe my driving as mixed as mixed can be. Just did a 160 mile trip on the M6 and A14 ACC set a 75 were possible with some 40mph and 50mph zone due to road works and I had 44+MPG for the trip. Currently on 7000miles.

Your dealer appears to be talking trash.....

I had a 3 series some years ago that claimed 70+, after a 600 mile round trip never going over 70MPH (dogs in car) I barely made 40MPG, I took it back to BMW and they had it for a day and found nothing wrong!!! however I never saw less than 50MPG after it was returned  :undecided:

The car has never been in anything other than sport since we took delivery. Not sure Eco actually makes any difference, we have a Disco Sport which spends its whole life in ECO and adds an extra 5MPG but thats due to Eco mainly running in 2WD unless 4WD is needed and it activates the diff.
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: GeeTeeAye on 02 December 2019, 18:10
That's interesting. Think I will drop the car off and insist they investigate further. There are a couple of wee things I was hoping to get looked at under warranty anyway. Driver door seal let's drips of water in during heavy rain and one of the pillar speakers creaks. Cheers
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: mcmaddy on 02 December 2019, 18:34
Ditch the eco mode it's rubbish. Have you checked your tyre pressures? Are you driving with the heaters on full chat on your commute? Have you gone past the 1000 mile mark yet? The engine will loosen up after 1k miles but with the freezing temperatures it'll affect your mpg especially on a commute. I think you're wasting your time going to the dealer.
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: GeeTeeAye on 02 December 2019, 18:45
Tyre pressure good... 2500 miles now.... I honestly thought eco mode was doing me a favour lol...
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: fredgroves on 02 December 2019, 19:01
Try turning on the economy display on the AID.... Use the think blue graph on it to try and teach yourself not to push the pedal so much. Sounds silly but it does work. Learn to come off the gas as you drive, it can double your mpg.
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: GeeTeeAye on 02 December 2019, 20:22
I've mastered the art of free wheeling, gentle braking and accelerating, then remembered why I bought the car and looking for a different direction to investigate, appreciate the comments though
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: fredgroves on 02 December 2019, 20:59
You've got a 250bhp turbo petrol car - it can do ~42mpg but not in heavy traffic or with the go pedal pressed to the floor....

The amount of petrol you push through the engine is driven by your right foot...

Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: Crockers on 02 December 2019, 21:12
Have you accidentally got it set to USA mpg.
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: Blaumann on 02 December 2019, 21:20
 The 2.0 TSI is great for economy, considering the performance available,  subject to traffic conditions, temperature, driver style etc. I live in a rural area with no traffic lights and 1 roundabout on a 10 mile commute, 38-40 Mpg in the summer 32-34 Mpg in winter. It also doesn't drink oil like the previous TFSI. If your commute is very slow with lots of stop-start,  your economy will reflect those conditions.
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: GeeTeeAye on 02 December 2019, 21:25
I've been calculating the mpg myself. So pretty sure of mpg. And like I said, I've been driving like granny is in the back... so looks like this is not normal and time for a visit to  VW.  Cheers everyone
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 02 December 2019, 22:23
I took delivery of a new GTI 7.5 in Sept. Enjoying the car, but have a question.
Now I know you don't buy these cars if mpg is a concern, but i am struggling to get 20mpg. One reason I went GTI rather than R was the numerous posts and articles praising the fuel economy on GTI. For me it is a do it all car. Family duties, commuting, fun etc
The trip computer displays a reasonable return, but since the car is new it has been easy to keep track and calculate myself over last couple of months and 20-25mpg seems best I get. Until car warms up properly Im getting mid teens mpg return at best.
I do a lot of town driving, doesn't help, but commuting in eco mode and driving sensibly I can literally watch the fuel gauge go down.
I have owned a couple of 3.0l petrol and 2.0 turbo quattro cars in the past, so have some experience of larger engines, but the GTI is the thirstiest by far.
Garage assure me it will improve  around 5000 to 6000 miles.
I was just wondering if this is normal. Would be nice to put it in sport mode and enjoy a detour now and again without having to immediately replace half tank of fuel... first world problems man.....

Sounds perfectly normal to get that mpg as it completely depends on the type of driving you do.

No point really asking others unless they have exactly the same journey at the same time of day.

For info, my current info since refuelling is 193 miles at an ave of 20.5mpg. And range is 35 miles left.
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: rwleigh on 02 December 2019, 23:35
For info, my current info since refuelling is 193 miles at an ave of 20.5mpg. And range is 35 miles left.

Really! OMG...

I'll just leave this here now and go to bed... REVO stage 1 tuned CS 40.  :whistle:
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Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: Philip on 03 December 2019, 07:07
I have a 1.9 mile commute which regularly takes me up to an hour and returns a pretty constant 15-16 mpg regardless of season or weather so I don't think your consumption is an issue - it's just what the car does from cold start in very heavy traffic.

On our frequent weekend trips to the east coast we'll cover 160 miles in slightly less than two and a half hours and see between 33 and 36 mpg.

Not relevant but for perspective, the same journeys taking the same length of time in my C63 returned 7 and 19 mpg respectively.
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: Sootchucker on 03 December 2019, 08:29
Ahem..cough...cough, my (admittedly non PP GTI - but with DSG), last year shortly after I got it with only 2500 miles on it  :D 

(https://live.staticflickr.com/1794/43221953554_624cc36738_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28RnNXL)

Also, to put the above into context, this was a journey down to London and back with the cruise set to 70mph and lots of 50mph average sections.

Currently with 11,500 miles on the car, my overall average is around 35 mpg. I should add that for the last 6 months near where i work, they are turning a single track road into a dual carriage way with temporary contra flow traffic lights and the traffic is horrendous. The motorway is 1.1 miles away from my work premises and it's currently taking me around 40 mins of queuing to complete that part of the journey, and at this time of the year I have heater on, heated rear screen, mirrors and seats and quite often the heated windscreen (if it's frozen when I leave work).

Even with the above, I'm pretty impressed that over the last few months the car has still been averaging between 32-35mpg. It's never got below 30 mpg in the 18 months I've had it. During the summer (when the road works were not on), it's wasn't uncommon on my journey home to see somewhere between 45-50 mpg for my 13 mile commute.     
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 03 December 2019, 08:36
I have a 1.9 mile commute which regularly takes me up to an hour and returns a pretty constant 15-16 mpg regardless of season or weather so I don't think your consumption is an issue - it's just what the car does from cold start in very heavy traffic.

On our frequent weekend trips to the east coast we'll cover 160 miles in slightly less than two and a half hours and see between 33 and 36 mpg.

Not relevant but for perspective, the same journeys taking the same length of time in my C63 returned 7 and 19 mpg respectively.

Agreed, people seem to assume that everyone has the same type of driving route and conditions. Cars don’t like being sat in traffic jams and short city journeys regarding of what engine you have (hybrid excluded).

To be honest, makes a good case for an electric car for me next.

Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 03 December 2019, 08:49
Try turning on the economy display on the AID.... Use the think blue graph on it to try and teach yourself not to push the pedal so much. Sounds silly but it does work. Learn to come off the gas as you drive, it can double your mpg.

No disrespect but we have no idea about the OPs actual driving route and traffic conditions and he's already stated that's he's been driving sensibly so this isn't going to make one bit of difference.

ThinkBlue is a load of crap. My trip into work this morning.

(https://i.postimg.cc/fRFqCNK4/csknf-Ma-BTDOx-M09d-Htp-Wnw.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/DSrcfRH5)

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Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: Hertsman on 03 December 2019, 08:56
Like most, understand the car buying and as long as the economy is reasonable its not something fixate on - I drive, I fill up, I drive etc,

But the R and now the TCR have been pleasant surprises in the economy department, particularly when the performance need is completely secondary and I just want to crunch some long miles, the car does this 40 MPG trick  :smiley:

As a rule had to roughly fill the R up between 270 - 300 miles on my normal completely mixed driving of short/medium/sometimes long

Not counting the really short runs, on any next town journey lets say, the economy has not dropped below 30 and you regularly see it in the 32-34 range on screen.

As finding the DSG completely usable in S, my driving mode is individual with everything set to Sport except the suspension which is set at Normal and the Engine Sound which is set to ECO

Not changed my driving at all, but the TCR is averaging about 350 miles before have to fill up, and if both the previous GTD and R are anything to go by, this economy will improve.

So probably 4-6 miles a gallon more economy than the R

My GTD at end, where was not doing the long miles anymore, slipped to around 37 MPG due to these short and medium runs out.

Given the TCR is only 10 BHP short of the R, the gain in economy must be all due to weight and maybe the 7th gear of the MK 7.5

As ordered the TCR pre MY20 ownership is cheaper than the R and fuel stops are less frequent, :)

One thing with fuel that is different is the how many miles left calculation when the refuel light comes on, it counts down in real time! 30 miles is really 30 miles, where in the R if you took really easy it seemed to stay on say the 25 miles remaining figure for 10 miles - As soon as light comes on now I go and look to fuel up. 
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: fredgroves on 03 December 2019, 09:55
I have a 1.9 mile commute which regularly takes me up to an hour and returns a pretty constant 15-16 mpg regardless of season or weather so I don't think your consumption is an issue - it's just what the car does from cold start in very heavy traffic.

Not relevant but for perspective, the same journeys taking the same length of time in my C63 returned 7 and 19 mpg respectively.

I suspect that my GTD would probably return sub 20mpg for a trip like that from cold too.

If I had that sort of journey every day, I'd walk or cycle....
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: Hertsman on 03 December 2019, 10:22
I have a 1.9 mile commute which regularly takes me up to an hour and returns a pretty constant 15-16 mpg regardless of season or weather so I don't think your consumption is an issue - it's just what the car does from cold start in very heavy traffic.

Not relevant but for perspective, the same journeys taking the same length of time in my C63 returned 7 and 19 mpg respectively.

I suspect that my GTD would probably return sub 20mpg for a trip like that from cold too.

If I had that sort of journey every day, I'd walk or cycle....

My GTD only really showed its benefit when you stretched it out and crunched some miles, the 55 + MPG was always a good number to see when on a run up to Manchester, - However, when role changed and mileage dropped, the short to mid journeys really hurt the GTD economy and I was only getting 37 as an average and as you said, anything really short and you all in same boat economy wise

Loved my GTD though, always hankered for VW to go down the the Bi-Turbo route, a GTD - R before diesel was demonised,
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 03 December 2019, 10:48
I have a 1.9 mile commute which regularly takes me up to an hour and returns a pretty constant 15-16 mpg regardless of season or weather so I don't think your consumption is an issue - it's just what the car does from cold start in very heavy traffic.

Not relevant but for perspective, the same journeys taking the same length of time in my C63 returned 7 and 19 mpg respectively.

I suspect that my GTD would probably return sub 20mpg for a trip like that from cold too.

If I had that sort of journey every day, I'd walk or cycle....

My GTD only really showed its benefit when you stretched it out and crunched some miles, the 55 + MPG was always a good number to see when on a run up to Manchester, - However, when role changed and mileage dropped, the short to mid journeys really hurt the GTD economy and I was only getting 37 as an average and as you said, anything really short and you all in same boat economy wise

Loved my GTD though, always hankered for VW to go down the the Bi-Turbo route, a GTD - R before diesel was demonised,

Has diesel really been demonised? I keep wondering as Audi have just brought out the new S4 and S6 powered by the black stuff. Seemed like an odd move.
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 03 December 2019, 10:49
I have a 1.9 mile commute which regularly takes me up to an hour and returns a pretty constant 15-16 mpg regardless of season or weather so I don't think your consumption is an issue - it's just what the car does from cold start in very heavy traffic.

Not relevant but for perspective, the same journeys taking the same length of time in my C63 returned 7 and 19 mpg respectively.

I suspect that my GTD would probably return sub 20mpg for a trip like that from cold too.

If I had that sort of journey every day, I'd walk or cycle....

What, even if you used to the ThinkBlue and had a steady right foot? Surely not!
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: fredgroves on 03 December 2019, 11:03
I suspect that my GTD would probably return sub 20mpg for a trip like that from cold too.

If I had that sort of journey every day, I'd walk or cycle....

What, even if you used to the ThinkBlue and had a steady right foot? Surely not!
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Yes, thats with all of that, probably 5mpg playing Lewis Hamilton.
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: Philip on 03 December 2019, 11:44
I have a 1.9 mile commute which regularly takes me up to an hour and returns a pretty constant 15-16 mpg regardless of season or weather so I don't think your consumption is an issue - it's just what the car does from cold start in very heavy traffic.
I suspect that my GTD would probably return sub 20mpg for a trip like that from cold too.
If I had that sort of journey every day, I'd walk or cycle....
If I didn't need to use the car for business during the day I would absolutely walk or cycle, or possibly get one of those rather fun looking but highly illegal electric scooters.  Electric car isn't an option either as living in a townhouse home charging is pretty much impossible plus they don't yet have the range I need at the weekends.  Hybrid is probably the answer but the choice of those that offer a degree of fun and driving pleasure is very limited and the ones that do are extremely expensive.
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: dean5125 on 03 December 2019, 11:49
Wow.... has everyone forgotten about Dieselgate already?!?!  :laugh:

I really don't know what people are expecting from a 2.0T with 245bhp on short commutes in winter? My drive to work is a mile each way, I'm averaging mid teens through the week but is it really that surprising??? A nice steady run out to Meadowhall at the weekend and averaged 40 plus.... swing and roundabouts.

just to rub salt in the wound.... if you've brought the car outright like I did it's prob costing you more in depreciation than fuel!! :huh: lol
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: martin998877 on 03 December 2019, 11:59
Just pitching in here - my 230 bhp 2016 Gti, which I drive with relish when I need to overtake, but otherwise stick to 55-60 on the local lanes and 55 on the M6 each morning because of the 50mph roadworks, is averaging about 42.  It hasn't especially been affected by the freezing weather the last few days, indeed rain and standing water seems to affect the mpg more. 

Today I got 480 miles to a full tank from full to empty, filling up with 52 litres.

I certainly don't hang about, and it is very very impressive mpg.

My journey to work is 40 miles, mixed lanes and 50 mph motorways.
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 03 December 2019, 14:55

My journey to work is 40 miles, mixed lanes and 50 mph motorways.


That's the reason right there  :wink:
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: Yusee on 03 December 2019, 15:34
Agree with Jim re think blue. It is such a crude algorithm that it is useless to all but the most ignorant of drivers.
The economy you get depends almost entirely on the type of journeys you do, you can influence this by a small amount only.

Also agree with mcmaddy, OP is likely to get short shrift from the dealer.

My only other thought for OP is - are you sure you have calculated correctly, as you state “ trip computer gives reasonable return “?
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: fredgroves on 03 December 2019, 16:01
I've never seen anyone suggest the computer on a Mk7 is ever widely wrong on fuel usage...
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: Yusee on 03 December 2019, 16:08
I've never seen anyone suggest the computer on a Mk7 is ever widely wrong on fuel usage...

No, I agree it’s pretty accurate in my experience ( it gives a 10% better return than actual when I have calculated)
OP seems to be saying his calculated return is poor but the computer is giving reasonable return, so I wonder if he has miscalculated?
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: dean5125 on 03 December 2019, 16:18

OP - just to make absolutely sure, show us your calculations and lets eliminate the possibility of mis-calculations because I have to agree, my trips never been more than 5-10% out either ! :undecided:
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: GeeTeeAye on 03 December 2019, 16:43
Something like this...
It was easy at the start, because mileage was as good as 0 on collection. so calculating what went in and mileage achieved easy enough.
After 1000 miles covered- Once "35 miles to go" shown on gauge, i note mileage, visit petrol station ASAP. Note number of litres bought for my £x quids worth of fuel.
Once I get "35 mile to go" signal again, repeat.. (not being doing this so much last while, because life is too short).

Rough and ready.   I have approx miles covered, I know amount of gallons put in. Casio does the rest.
= approx MPG

Don't get me wrong I can live with it, I was just wondering if it was normal. I do about 20 miles a day of mixed driving 30 to 70 roads. Im not stuck in traffic jams etc. Heres hoping I get into the 30's like a lot here as it gets run in further, but if not, no worries Im enjoying owning it.

Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: Watts on 03 December 2019, 16:59
If you don't mind my saying, as easy as the explanation makes it there is room for Mr Cockup to make a visit. What does the display in the car say your mpg is? I'd just go by that, it's very accurate and removes the possibility for errors. It will display the average economy for the journey, since fill up or long term.
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: Talk-torque on 03 December 2019, 17:41
Using range to calculate mileage is not good. You will have noticed that the reading goes in fives, so is +/-5 at best. The reading it shows is an instantaneous reading, reflecting the car’s current consumption. Thus, if you are doing full throttle blasts it will rapidly drop, but, if you are cruising on a light throttle, it will remain static, or even increase.

The best way to calculate mileage is to fill the tank to the brim and note the mileage reading. Run the car, as normal, until it’s time to refuel again. Brim the tank, noting the litres required and the new mileage reading. The consumption is this mileage reading divided by the gallons required. To convert litres to gallons divide by 4.546.

Incidentally, my March 2019 Performance DSG is averaging 36mpg, calculated from delivery in the above way, and currently at just over 5,000 miles. This is over mixed driving, probably 50/50 town/cruising, without much heavy traffic.
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: Yusee on 03 December 2019, 18:41
Using range to calculate mileage is not good. You will have noticed that the reading goes in fives, so is +/-5 at best. The reading it shows is an instantaneous reading, reflecting the car’s current consumption. Thus, if you are doing full throttle blasts it will rapidly drop, but, if you are cruising on a light throttle, it will remain static, or even increase.

The best way to calculate mileage is to fill the tank to the brim and note the mileage reading. Run the car, as normal, until it’s time to refuel again. Brim the tank, noting the litres required and the new mileage reading. The consumption is this mileage reading divided by the gallons required. To convert litres to gallons divide by 4.546.

Incidentally, my March 2019 Performance DSG is averaging 36mpg, calculated from delivery in the above way, and currently at just over 5,000 miles. This is over mixed driving, probably 50/50 town/cruising, without much heavy traffic.

Yes, this is the method i use.
I should clarify that my calculated mpg is usually within 5% of computer, typically 32mpg displayed v 30 or 31 by own calculations
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: Talk-torque on 03 December 2019, 19:28
I should clarify that my calculated mpg is usually within 5% of computer, typically 32mpg displayed v 30 or 31 by own calculations

Yes, I agree with that. Not bad accuracy, just a little optimistic.
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: dean5125 on 04 December 2019, 08:20

Agree total with the man maths there.... the trip is always going to be slightly optimistic, this is VW we are talking about! :laugh:

live with what the trip is telling you and just enjoy the car, they are fantastic!!!
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: andy28 on 04 December 2019, 08:56

ThinkBlue is a load of crap. My trip into work this morning.

(https://i.postimg.cc/fRFqCNK4/csknf-Ma-BTDOx-M09d-Htp-Wnw.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/DSrcfRH5)

Not sure what you mean about ThinkBlue being crap Jim  :grin:

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Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 04 December 2019, 09:59

ThinkBlue is a load of crap. My trip into work this morning.

(https://i.postimg.cc/fRFqCNK4/csknf-Ma-BTDOx-M09d-Htp-Wnw.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/DSrcfRH5)

Not sure what you mean about ThinkBlue being crap Jim  :grin:

(https://i.postimg.cc/Xvsg8c1C/DSC-3326.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XZyFNFbj)

 :grin: Briiliant! Exactly, it's got about 5% to do with how you use your right foot and 95% of what type of route you do and the traffic!
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: andy28 on 04 December 2019, 10:07
I know right! To be honest I don't normally get such a low score - I just think she wasn't happy with me this morning.

The two images have made me realise how old school my display looks  :cry:
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: ar899 on 04 December 2019, 10:33
If you're worried about mpg, don't check it, just fill up when need to.....   As I have been sadly reminded this week, life really is too short.
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 04 December 2019, 11:33
I know right! To be honest I don't normally get such a low score - I just think she wasn't happy with me this morning.

The two images have made me realise how old school my display looks  :cry:

And how cold the NW is compared to Yorkshire!  :grin:
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: hoggeh on 04 December 2019, 16:58
I have a 60 round trip commute and average about 37mpg, it's 40+ on the way in and less on the way back. Mix of A and B roads, stock manual non pp 65 plate GTi (except clubsport s muffler  :whistle:). I keep track everytime I fill the car up and these are my notes copy and pasted from my notepad if anyone is interested.

386.2m  48.13l  £68.78  V-Power £1.429
366.1m  44.93l  £63.76  V-Power £1.419
326.8m.  44.51l. £63.16   V-Power £1.419
397.8m.  48.60l. £68.96. V-Power. £1.419
390.6m   48.14l.  £68.31.   V-Power.   £1.419
368.7m.   45.44l.  £64.48.  V-Power.  £1.419
339.4m.    43.81l.  £62.17.  V-Power. £1.419
353.0m.    42.07l.   £58.86.  V-Power.  £1.399
317.7m.  40.45l.     £56.99. V-Power £1.409
395.8m.   47.65l.  £66.66.  V-Power.  £1.399
376.6m.  46.02l.    £64.39.  V-Power. £1.399
380.8m.  45.81l.  £64.09.   V-Power.  £1.399
385.3m.  46.49l.  £65.04.  V-Power.  £1.399
383.2m.   45.87l.  £64.17.  V-Power.  £1.399
380.1m.     46.92l.  £66.11.   V-Power.  £1.409
381.0m.      46.69l.   £65.79.   V-Power.  £1.409
380.4m.   48.31l.  £68.07.  V-Power.  £1.409
383m.       47.27l.  £67.08.  V-Power.  £1.419
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 04 December 2019, 18:20
Wow, V Power is pricey!  :shocked:
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: mcmaddy on 04 December 2019, 19:49
It's currently only 1.31 up north on Durham area  :whistle:
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: Andy198 on 04 December 2019, 19:59
It's currently only 1.31 up north on Durham area  :whistle:

The difference really annoys me. Its £1.40 - £1.42 round me in Hertfordshire. Why should it be so much cheaper in Durham / NW England / Anywhere but here etc?
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: hoggeh on 04 December 2019, 20:20
I'm in the south east and it is annoying, not using a motorway station or anything just a high traffic A road one. I asked one of my colleagues to find the price of Tesco 99 next to work as he fills up there and it's £1.279 but I don't think I want to put Tesco fuel in my car anyway.

What do you guys put in your cars?


(I understand I'm a fuel snob and cleaning cant be quantified)
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: mcmaddy on 04 December 2019, 20:32
What's wrong with Tesco 99? Would much rather use that if I can't get v power from Shell.
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: hoggeh on 04 December 2019, 20:48
As would I. Just have always had V-Power available for me but if it wasn't I would be straight to Tesco 99. Long term I trust shell additives more than Tesco is all I'm saying, as I doubt there is much cleaners in there and it's a different cheaper blend to hit 99.
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: mcmaddy on 04 December 2019, 22:56
A cheaper blend to 99 :grin:. It's 99ron whichever brand of again you go to. You could fill up with vpower one in three or four tanks and you would never know which petrol you were using between shell and Tesco!
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: Splashalot on 05 December 2019, 06:38
A little off topic, but does anyone have a link to the new WTLP fuel consumption figures for all new cars on sale?  For the life of me I cannot find a data base of the new figures anywhere.
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: Jim_mk7.5 on 05 December 2019, 08:39
I'm in the south east and it is annoying, not using a motorway station or anything just a high traffic A road one. I asked one of my colleagues to find the price of Tesco 99 next to work as he fills up there and it's £1.279 but I don't think I want to put Tesco fuel in my car anyway.

What do you guys put in your cars?


(I understand I'm a fuel snob and cleaning cant be quantified)

Tesco 99 is great.
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: SRGTD on 05 December 2019, 09:11
IMO (and I’ll probably get shot down in flames for saying it :grin:) life’s too short to worry about whether overall fuel consumption is 30 mpg, 35 mpg or any other figure.

Just fill it, drive it and enjoy it! :smiley:.



Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: fredgroves on 05 December 2019, 09:23
A little off topic, but does anyone have a link to the new WTLP fuel consumption figures for all new cars on sale?  For the life of me I cannot find a data base of the new figures anywhere.

No there isn't a central database it seems.

The closest I found was the UK government one - which potentially offered this in a single place but then seemed to have bugger all data in it.

Its quite poor really - if we are supposed to be making car choices with an eye to the environment, why is this comparative dataset not available?
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: Splashalot on 05 December 2019, 10:49
Thanks Fred. My thoughts exactly.
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: Catnapper on 05 December 2019, 11:40
I'm in the south east and it is annoying, not using a motorway station or anything just a high traffic A road one. I asked one of my colleagues to find the price of Tesco 99 next to work as he fills up there and it's £1.279 but I don't think I want to put Tesco fuel in my car anyway.

What do you guys put in your cars?


(I understand I'm a fuel snob and cleaning cant be quantified)

Tesco 99 is great.



Agreed, I use it 99% of the time with no worries. On a gentle trip back over the A66 managed 40mpg
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: P6GTD on 05 December 2019, 11:49
I try to use Tesco 99 whenever I can.
Oban to Perth this summer I got 47.5 mpg / av speed 48 mph.
OK, I was drifting along but these are far from flat level motorway roads.
Plenty up and down box for corners and gradients.
In my first couple of GTIs I would get anxious about mpg.
Now I just drive how the mood takes.
On a fast motorway trip I still see high 30s.
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: AudiA8Quattro on 05 December 2019, 22:47
I’ve got a 2019 R with 4000 miles on it.
I get 28mpg in eco mode doing the daily commute to work, which is about 15 miles, that pretty much all urban driving.
I find that it stays around that the whole time in eco mode, it drops on A roads and motorways over a certain speed!
In race mode, it drops to about 20-23 MPG.
Also, I tried a tank of super unleaded, and the MPG actually dropped! What’s that all about??
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: Toppy on 06 December 2019, 00:43
IMO (and I’ll probably get shot down in flames for saying it :grin:) life’s too short to worry about whether overall fuel consumption is 30 mpg, 35 mpg or any other figure.

Just fill it, drive it and enjoy it! :smiley:.

Spot on I totally agree with this, its a great can and i love driving it  :smiley:
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: mcmaddy on 06 December 2019, 06:56
I’ve got a 2019 R with 4000 miles on it.
I get 28mpg in eco mode doing the daily commute to work, which is about 15 miles, that pretty much all urban driving.
I find that it stays around that the whole time in eco mode, it drops on A roads and motorways over a certain speed!
In race mode, it drops to about 20-23 MPG.
Also, I tried a tank of super unleaded, and the MPG actually dropped! What’s that all about??
you're supposed to be using super unleaded anyway in an R aren't you? Why are you driving in Eco mode? And after one tank you complain about a drop in consumption? Was the weather colder when you tried the tank of Super?
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: kmpowell on 06 December 2019, 08:17
20-25mpg around town extra-urban sounds about right. That’s similar to figures I see here in London, the start stop traffic kills it even in eco mode. It’s only once you get above constant speeds of 30-40mph that you start reaping the rewards. As previously mentioned, I do long 3hr+ motorway/road journeys and I see 40+ mpg with ease, touching 50mpg if I’m cruising on the managed motorways at 50-60mph.
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: dean5125 on 06 December 2019, 11:05
I have a 60 round trip commute and average about 37mpg, it's 40+ on the way in and less on the way back. Mix of A and B roads, stock manual non pp 65 plate GTi (except clubsport s muffler  :whistle:). I keep track everytime I fill the car up and these are my notes copy and pasted from my notepad if anyone is interested.

386.2m  48.13l  £68.78  V-Power £1.429
366.1m  44.93l  £63.76  V-Power £1.419
326.8m.  44.51l. £63.16   V-Power £1.419
397.8m.  48.60l. £68.96. V-Power. £1.419
390.6m   48.14l.  £68.31.   V-Power.   £1.419
368.7m.   45.44l.  £64.48.  V-Power.  £1.419
339.4m.    43.81l.  £62.17.  V-Power. £1.419
353.0m.    42.07l.   £58.86.  V-Power.  £1.399
317.7m.  40.45l.     £56.99. V-Power £1.409
395.8m.   47.65l.  £66.66.  V-Power.  £1.399
376.6m.  46.02l.    £64.39.  V-Power. £1.399
380.8m.  45.81l.  £64.09.   V-Power.  £1.399
385.3m.  46.49l.  £65.04.  V-Power.  £1.399
383.2m.   45.87l.  £64.17.  V-Power.  £1.399
380.1m.     46.92l.  £66.11.   V-Power.  £1.409
381.0m.      46.69l.   £65.79.   V-Power.  £1.409
380.4m.   48.31l.  £68.07.  V-Power.  £1.409
383m.       47.27l.  £67.08.  V-Power.  £1.419

I'm loving the thoroughness but honestly, how can you live with the spacing like that?..... Tab key please!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Sorry, I may have OCD, they're looking in too it!! :whistle:

Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: Carbon VW on 06 December 2019, 12:15

Sorry, I may have OCD, they're looking in too it!! :whistle:


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Its ok, you defo dont have OCD if you dont check your post for typos !
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: GTI_Scott on 06 December 2019, 12:19
I pick up my Mk7.5 GTI tomorrow, and getting rid of an Audi SQ5 TDI.

Hoping to get much better fuel consumption from the GTI, the SQ5 i struggled to get 25mpg, from a diesel!!
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: Philip on 06 December 2019, 13:33
Traffic was reasonably good mid morning today... :rolleyes:
(https://i.postimg.cc/8PW49Lr9/gtg.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/RNSwn6dL)
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: dean5125 on 06 December 2019, 13:37

Sorry, I may have OCD, they're looking in too it!! :whistle:



Its ok, you defo dont have OCD if you dont check your post for typos !
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Touché sir!! :shocked: (correct spelling?!?! :laugh:)
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: dean5125 on 06 December 2019, 13:46
I pick up my Mk7.5 GTI tomorrow, and getting rid of an Audi SQ5 TDI.

Hoping to get much better fuel consumption from the GTI, the SQ5 i struggled to get 25mpg, from a diesel!!

Congratulations on the new car..... stunning bit of kit to live with!

To be fair to the SQ5, over 2 tonne and bi-turbo.... diesel or not that's a big ask to get decent mpg! (still a really nice motor though, I really did fancy one but ended up going with the Touareg instead.)

Paranoid now and have checked my spellings! :laugh:

Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: Carbon VW on 06 December 2019, 13:51

Sorry, I may have OCD, they're looking in too it!! :whistle:



Its ok, you defo dont have OCD if you dont check your post for typos !

Touché sir!! :shocked: (correct spelling?!?! :laugh:)
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 :grin: :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: GTI_Scott on 06 December 2019, 14:16
I pick up my Mk7.5 GTI tomorrow, and getting rid of an Audi SQ5 TDI.

Hoping to get much better fuel consumption from the GTI, the SQ5 i struggled to get 25mpg, from a diesel!!

Congratulations on the new car..... stunning bit of kit to live with!

To be fair to the SQ5, over 2 tonne and bi-turbo.... diesel or not that's a big ask to get decent mpg! (still a really nice motor though, I really did fancy one but ended up going with the Touareg instead.)

Paranoid now and have checked my spellings! :laugh:

Yes SQ5 was a great car, but interior tech now a little outdated, and have always really had a soft spot for VW's Golfs in particular, Owned about 10 VW's in the last 8 years!! Glad to be getting back in a VW!!
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: AudiA8Quattro on 06 December 2019, 14:37
I’ve got a 2019 R with 4000 miles on it.
I get 28mpg in eco mode doing the daily commute to work, which is about 15 miles, that pretty much all urban driving.
I find that it stays around that the whole time in eco mode, it drops on A roads and motorways over a certain speed!
In race mode, it drops to about 20-23 MPG.
Also, I tried a tank of super unleaded, and the MPG actually dropped! What’s that all about??
you're supposed to be using super unleaded anyway in an R aren't you? Why are you driving in Eco mode? And after one tank you complain about a drop in consumption? Was the weather colder when you tried the tank of Super?

The R will happily run on regular unleaded, like all modern fuel injection engines.
I’m driving it in Eco just to make it a better proposition to use for daily commute. To be honest there’s no chance of going fast round here in the rush hour anyway!
The conditions were exactly the same, I used a couple of tanks of unleaded, then put a tank of super in. Just found it strange MPG seemed to drop by a few units. Not seen this before, always got more mileage out using super.
Maybe I’ll try another tank.
It is also on very low miles, so presume that economy will increase as the mileage goes up!
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: mcmaddy on 06 December 2019, 16:06
Pretty sure the R is supposed to run on Super all the time. Can't really see the point of having it and then using regular stuff. You'll probably need two or three full tanks to gain any benefit. Engines loosen up at approximately 900 miles but seeing as you're on 4000 miles now or should be well driven in. Driving in Eco dulls the throttle so much you put your foot down further to get the car to go. Why don't you try in normal mode for a week and see what happens?
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: AudiA8Quattro on 06 December 2019, 21:08
Pretty sure the R is supposed to run on Super all the time. Can't really see the point of having it and then using regular stuff. You'll probably need two or three full tanks to gain any benefit. Engines loosen up at approximately 900 miles but seeing as you're on 4000 miles now or should be well driven in. Driving in Eco dulls the throttle so much you put your foot down further to get the car to go. Why don't you try in normal mode for a week and see what happens?

I’ve only had the car for about a month, so I’m just playing at the moment.
Eco mode, the car still shifts, and it does make it quite economical as well.
Race mode easily drops it to about 20mpg  :laugh:
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: GolfTi on 07 December 2019, 21:25
Anything between 20 and 45mpg is normal. Depends totally on your journey and traffic.

The on board computer is very accurate.
Super unleaded will give a better mpg.



Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: sjw on 10 December 2019, 11:40

ThinkBlue is a load of crap. My trip into work this morning.

(https://i.postimg.cc/fRFqCNK4/csknf-Ma-BTDOx-M09d-Htp-Wnw.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/DSrcfRH5)

Not sure what you mean about ThinkBlue being crap Jim  :grin:

(https://i.postimg.cc/Xvsg8c1C/DSC-3326.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XZyFNFbj)

 :grin: Briiliant! Exactly, it's got about 5% to do with how you use your right foot and 95% of what type of route you do and the traffic!

Plus, the fact that the "score" number is automatically lower if you have it in Sport mode, even if you are in exactly the same gear and revs as you would be in D. The score is literally just made up.
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: kush993 on 20 June 2023, 10:01
Hello, did you get a solution for the bad miles per full tank?

I'm having the same issue, maximum 200miles and that's driving like a granny

Golf GTI Performance Pack 2018 DSG

Regards,
Kush
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: rwleigh on 20 June 2023, 10:13
Hello, did you get a solution for the bad miles per full tank?

I'm having the same issue, maximum 200miles and that's driving like a granny

Golf GTI Performance Pack 2018 DSG

Regards,
Kush

Must be something wrong there, I get over 400 miles easily. 500 if I'm really careful.

My last run out achieved this for example... It can do better.
(https://i.postimg.cc/rm7xRbwk/45-6.jpg)
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: Adam T7 on 20 June 2023, 10:20
Hello, did you get a solution for the bad miles per full tank?

I'm having the same issue, maximum 200miles and that's driving like a granny

Golf GTI Performance Pack 2018 DSG

Regards,
Kush

Must be something wrong there, I get over 400 miles easily. 500 if I'm really careful.

My last run out achieved this for example... It can do better.
(https://i.postimg.cc/rm7xRbwk/45-6.jpg)

Same here, I did a 450 round trip last weekend at about 46 Mpg, mostly motorway and A roads but some urban and congestion.
Mostly sat at 75mph ish so wasn’t clogging it.
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: kush993 on 20 June 2023, 11:19
Not sure how i could diagnose it apart from a diagnostic.

Just had a service done too but no difference
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: Adam T7 on 20 June 2023, 11:28
Binding brakes?
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: Rudedog on 20 June 2023, 20:58
Does yours have an OPF? The only time my mpg drops like a stone is when is doing an active regen - done two so far so now I can recognise the signs and not worry.

Otherwise 28 to 38 in traffic and 50'ish on motorways all in D.
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: lessers on 22 June 2023, 09:54
I usually get between 35 and 45 mpg depending on conditions
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: symonh2000 on 22 June 2023, 12:24
My Mrs routinely averages 33mpg in her Manual PP on her mixed road 12 mile drive to work.

I have managed just over 40mpg on a longer run.

That is only 3mpg better than I get on my BMW M140i on almost the same journey to work, but the BMW is 2mpg better on a longer run.
Title: Re: GTI Fuel economy
Post by: jaceyboy on 22 June 2023, 16:25
Stage 1 mapped but very local journeys so cant get up to temps etc but shows 25mpg