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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: evo1986 on 08 June 2019, 20:35
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Not sure how updated everyone is on MY20 changes but will post all changes on Monday.
Big one is GTI TCR gets Acrapovic exhaust as standard :whistle:
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Not read that anywhere so think you first to share so thank you - mine is being built for October delivery but not sure of exact build slot so when MY20 start you think? Not overly bothered if honest as like the chrome tips and exhaust note be fine for me regardless
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Think my TCR will be MY20 but not expecting anything significant. Interested to hear what the updates are though.
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Think my TCR will be MY20 but not expecting anything significant. Interested to hear what the updates are though.
When’s yours due Cookie? What timing constitutes MY20? And hard to know what else can be made standard? But be interested to see list
Again in terms of akrapovich not actually overly bothered be quite happy with the stock
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Not sure how updated everyone is on MY20 changes but will post all changes on Monday.
Big one is GTI TCR gets Acrapovic exhaust as standard :whistle:
Sounds like all the things in the concept that didn't make it on to the MY19 car?
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£3000 saving!
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Not overly bothered if honest as like the chrome tips and exhaust note be fine for me regardless
Think my TCR will be MY20 but not expecting anything significant. Interested to hear what the updates are though.
Again in terms of akrapovich not actually overly bothered be quite happy with the stock
Sir, would you like a £3k lightweight exhaust fitting for minimal or no extra cost? Not that bothered?! Yeah right :grin:
That’s a massive thing for the TCR as they ditched the option of the Akrapovic exhaust and it will make the TCR sound better. Looks really good as well compared to stock chrome tips.
Fingers crossed for guys with orders on as would be seriously gutted to miss out on that. Be interesting to see what else they chuck at the GTI/TCR/R for MY20. Also shows we aren’t seeing a performance Mk8 anytime soon!
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I would imagine that such an expensive option hasn't sold well, so they have a shed full of exhausts to get rid of on run out models. A bit like leather on run out 6's. They have to do something with it.
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I would be absolutely gutted if I’d missed out on this. Should have been standard to start with. Will probably have a direct impact on resale value too if you’ve got an early TCR. Think I’d go as far as cancelling my order and reordering if possible.
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Actually, maybe I wouldn’t be gutted. I bet there’s a price rise to include the ‘standard’ spec.
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Yeah I think we need to see whether there's any additional cost attached before we can decide whether or not this is a great giveaway.
Same goes for any other changes.
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Think my TCR will be MY20 but not expecting anything significant. Interested to hear what the updates are though.
When’s yours due Cookie? What timing constitutes MY20? And hard to know what else can be made standard? But be interested to see list
Again in terms of akrapovich not actually overly bothered be quite happy with the stock
I think its due to be built next week or the week after. When I put the order in the dealer said it would more than likely be MY20.
Knowing my luck I would miss the cutoff by days though :)
Would be hugely surprised if they put a 3k exhaust on for free though!
Maybe it becomes an option - I could see that. Especially as it was on some of the test cars! But for free, unlikely. Wouldn't say no though :)
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I would be absolutely gutted if I’d missed out on this. Should have been standard to start with. Will probably have a direct impact on resale value too if you’ve got an early TCR. Think I’d go as far as cancelling my order and reordering if possible.
Totally agree on it being standard but I don't think exhausts bother most buyers that much. I totally get the value and 'package' argument but unless they increase power, all you're gaining are some more attractive exhaust tips and a nominal weight saving of around 6-7KG if they fit the full titanium assembly. Sports exhausts can tend to drone, particularly on motorways when you're at constant rev/speed in my experience so unless they're switchable, they can be an annoyance.
As an early buyer, I had a VWFS contribution and it was pre the price increase which came out at around £3k so would I have the saving or an exhaust? I'd still take the saving even if presented with the option of the exhaust.
Exhausts coming out of VAG post WLTP are muted compared to pre the whole WLTP shake up. Couple of friends with 991.2 GT3RS first and second batch cars did a comparison at Snetterton recently because they noted quite a difference to the underneath of their cars and the exhaust arrangement. I can attest to the difference with my own ears. Totally different cars but I would not have thought (nor they) that there would be a difference on the same model produced six months apart.
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Not overly bothered if honest as like the chrome tips and exhaust note be fine for me regardless
Think my TCR will be MY20 but not expecting anything significant. Interested to hear what the updates are though.
Again in terms of akrapovich not actually overly bothered be quite happy with the stock
Sir, would you like a £3k lightweight exhaust fitting for minimal or no extra cost? Not that bothered?! Yeah right :grin:
That’s a massive thing for the TCR as they ditched the option of the Akrapovic exhaust and it will make the TCR sound better. Looks really good as well compared to stock chrome tips.
Fingers crossed for guys with orders on as would be seriously gutted to miss out on that. Be interesting to see what else they chuck at the GTI/TCR/R for MY20. Also shows we aren’t seeing a performance Mk8 anytime soon!
Obviously been aware of the Akrapovich exhaust for a while many on VWROC forum has then optioned on their R when performance pack became available and though I very much get it I also have never craved it or felt missing out and so even at say £500 I would not have selected it - however if it was a true freebie and given it’s actual cost obviously be delighted to have it - but do stick to thought that if it did not turn up with it I would not be overly bothered in same way do not look at any R that see with one fitted - so do not confuse my statement with not understanding its qualities and value it’s just in general do not have a huge feeling for must have
If it’s a no cost standard add then they must have excess stock they want to rid as they could easily lift the two performance packs in price to recover some monies though maybe conscious of the £40k threshold in how many they would shift if broke that barrier?
Be interesting to see what else is included and removed remember, as not much left on option list really - I only added the climate, Reifnitz and 90% tints - think there is an upgraded lane assist, memory seats and pro nav, dynaudio left?
Also when is MY20 builds? Mine due October so September build?
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Think my TCR will be MY20 but not expecting anything significant. Interested to hear what the updates are though.
When’s yours due Cookie? What timing constitutes MY20? And hard to know what else can be made standard? But be interested to see list
Again in terms of akrapovich not actually overly bothered be quite happy with the stock
I think its due to be built next week or the week after. When I put the order in the dealer said it would more than likely be MY20.
Knowing my luck I would miss the cutoff by days though :)
Would be hugely surprised if they put a 3k exhaust on for free though!
Maybe it becomes an option - I could see that. Especially as it was on some of the test cars! But for free, unlikely. Wouldn't say no though :)
If MY20 starts soon then likely I would be well within as mine 4 months till delivery so late August Sept build?
Think it’s likely to be an option, maybe performance pack uplift? Though you would wonder why not on the MY19 rollouts?
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I would be absolutely gutted if I’d missed out on this. Should have been standard to start with. Will probably have a direct impact on resale value too if you’ve got an early TCR. Think I’d go as far as cancelling my order and reordering if possible.
Totally agree on it being standard but I don't think exhausts bother most buyers that much. I totally get the value and 'package' argument but unless they increase power, all you're gaining are some more attractive exhaust tips and a nominal weight saving of around 6-7KG if they fit the full titanium assembly. Sports exhausts can tend to drone, particularly on motorways when you're at constant rev/speed in my experience so unless they're switchable, they can be an annoyance.
As an early buyer, I had a VWFS contribution and it was pre the price increase which came out at around £3k so would I have the saving or an exhaust? I'd still take the saving even if presented with the option of the exhaust.
Exhausts coming out of VAG post WLTP are muted compared to pre the whole WLTP shake up. Couple of friends with 991.2 GT3RS first and second batch cars did a comparison at Snetterton recently because they noted quite a difference to the underneath of their cars and the exhaust arrangement. I can attest to the difference with my own ears. Totally different cars but I would not have thought (nor they) that there would be a difference on the same model produced six months apart.
As you can see in this thread, you can obviously count me as one of those folk you describe - my R is hardly raucous but there is a nice deep note that’s come with miles and you do get the overrun and it’s complimentary and background and quite happy with that to point it’s not something think about wanting more and so it’s not option every really thought to for myself- if it’s a freebie then obviously would be happy and take it but stick to statement that would be quite happy with the large chrome tips, they look good to anyone I think - even saw the gloss black ones on a GTI and liked them also - most would be onlookers would have no idea to the weight and tech of the Akrapovich they just see exhaust tips and all would look good
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if you’re not a gti enthusiast you don’t really buy a TCR. I think that most would want the exhaust as that’s the market it’s aimed at. A little like bucket seats on the CS. It’s an enthusiasts car with the enthusiasts knowledge that comes with it. Anyway, with or without it it’s a brilliant car and you’ll all love it. I wouldn’t have the exhaust as an option but as standard? Hmmmm. Depends on the price increase! Anyway, enjoy your cars, things always get upgraded. You can’t wait forever!😀
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(https://www.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/images/car-reviews/first-drives/legacy/8-volkswagen-golf-r-pp-2018-review-exhaust.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mzw5IgXh-SY
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Im guessing this will not actually be the case, but will play along...
I think it remained a single outlet either side on the concept car.
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Im guessing this will not actually be the case, but will play along...
I think it remained a single outlet either side on the concept car.
(http://clpautomotive.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/MG_92781.jpg)
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if you’re not a gti enthusiast you don’t really buy a TCR. I think that most would want the exhaust as that’s the market it’s aimed at. A little like bucket seats on the CS. It’s an enthusiasts car with the enthusiasts knowledge that comes with it. Anyway, with or without it it’s a brilliant car and you’ll all love it. I wouldn’t have the exhaust as an option but as standard? Hmmmm. Depends on the price increase! Anyway, enjoy your cars, things always get upgraded. You can’t wait forever!😀
Have always wanted a GTI but it’s always lost out in a last two head to head so definitely in the enthusiast bracket and on selecting the TCR there was understanding that the exhaust was stainless and tuned for the TCR (that was in the promotional literature) so with that and all the other lifts the TCR package became compelling
My thoughts at time was the Akrapovich would be a cost option in line with pricing seen for the R and given the standard set up was compelling enough then it was not an option that was seen as needed and more so at that price
As it was it was never an option when I pressed the order button
Have followed the Akrapovich journey on VWROC from those who stumped up the pounds and have good awareness and appreciation of its abilities and if does come as a standard fitting will be absolutely made up but still think the TCR original specification is compelling and not having the Akrapovich does not detract from the TCR at all much like the standard R are not seen as anything less for not selecting the performance pack
So do not think anyone is not seeing what Akrapovich adds and appreciates its more balancing it against how good the TCR is, as is and by not having there is no real detraction and especially to those who casually look on and only see car has different tips.
If this is true then it’s likely mine will have the Akrapovich and will be very happy at that but did want to be honest that it’s just feeling of a nice bonus
Be interesting to see what else changes as doubt it’s just one thing, maybe throw in the upgraded stereo that be nice or the electric controlled seats or the land assist +
Nice quick video of Akrapovich on a clubsport https://youtu.be/r5TF7CCm3iU (https://youtu.be/r5TF7CCm3iU)
It seems the GTI Akrapovich is different from the R and come with carbon look covers? Which really like :cool:
https://youtu.be/fWegI2OszzA (https://youtu.be/fWegI2OszzA)
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They used to do a tech pack which was nav pro and dynaudio which basically gave you the dynaudio for free.
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I hope it does become available for the TCR, then I can order it for my PP and it not impact my warranty! :cool:
I tried to get an Akrapovic on my PP, but sadly it's very complicated and a system is not yet street legal for the 7.5 in the UK. The 'slip-on' exhaust is possible without the downpipe & link, but it's stupid loud and you lose power (and it causes ECU errors) due to back pressure. To cure this you have to use the Akrapovic downpipe & link kit, but then that breaks emission levels for road use, so isn't street legal in the UK. Fine for track (and is sold on that premise), but not yet ready for the road.
I'd guess that this might be why it got canned for the TCR, which is why this is a very interesting development if true. :smiley:
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I hope it does become available for the TCR, then I can order it for my PP and it not impact my warranty! :cool:
I wouldn't be so sure on that, if it's a full system it won't even fit due to the larger IS38 turbo on the TCR.
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I hope it does become available for the TCR, then I can order it for my PP and it not impact my warranty! :cool:
I wouldn't be so sure on that, if it's a full system it won't even fit due to the larger IS38 turbo on the TCR.
I thought the outlet was the same on both. AFAIK it's the same castings machined differently for the different sized turbines. The only difference between the GTI and R downpipes for the golf is the extra 4wd gubbins to keep out of the way of.
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Not sure how updated everyone is on MY20 changes but will post all changes on Monday.
Big one is GTI TCR gets Acrapovic exhaust as standard :whistle:
Feel like we need a drumroll :grin:
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Not sure how updated everyone is on MY20 changes but will post all changes on Monday.
Big one is GTI TCR gets Acrapovic exhaust as standard :whistle:
Feel like we need a drumroll :grin:
I think we may have frightened him and he doesn't want to lose a hand feeding us.... :grin:
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No one is bothered about possibly getting a 3k exhaust for free but the thread has got almost a thousand views. :grin: :whistle:
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No one is bothered about possibly getting a 3k exhaust for free but the thread has got almost a thousand views. :grin: :whistle:
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And there are only about 5 people with TCRs on order!
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No one is bothered about possibly getting a 3k exhaust for free but the thread has got almost a thousand views. :grin: :whistle:
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And there are only about 5 people with TCRs on order!
Just finished work and checked in for the MY20 update and there is none!
To be honest was wondering as much what the MY20 changes are overall as its always an interesting read and not always for whats added, but for what piece of plastic has been removed as penny saving.
In terms of the not wanting to the £3000 exhaust you can let that go now :grin: :grin: yes we would all be happy to have it and so lets see if that carrot we were given was actually true :)
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Well either the price has gone up or the discounts have reduced massively because I had a drive the deal quote for £32085 and it's now £34208. Grey has increased in price, dynaudio has increased doesn't look like DCC has increased. So talk of a free exhaust can stop now :grin:
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Edited - my mistake for checking the wrong brochure for prices. :whistle: :embarrassed:
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Drive the deal prices have gone up in price they want £125 now for 90% tint but still only £100 on vw web site that’s the one that stuck out for me. But I’m sure they me be other different price rises in the options.
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Metallic paint up from £595 to £620.
Discover Pro up from £1350 to £1500.
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Drive the deal prices have gone up in price they want £125 now for 90% tint but still only £100 on vw web site that’s the one that stuck out for me. But I’m sure they me be other different price rises in the options.
DTD prices will probably be more accurate than the VW website :grin:
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Drive the deal prices have gone up in price they want £125 now for 90% tint but still only £100 on vw web site that’s the one that stuck out for me. But I’m sure they me be other different price rises in the options.
DTD prices will probably be more accurate than the VW website :grin:
The Reifnitz performance pack has reduced by £300 if we using DTD as the gauge as it was £2400 and is £2100 on the DTD website - have to see how all prices and options balance out once have true picture of MY 20
Given the over £2.4k hike in basic price cost £35305 to £37655 of the TCR it’s likely the Akrapovich is standard fit and not an option - the R based on this DTD comparison remains £36160 so TCR is now most expensive Golf you can buy
If ordered already do VW honour the MY20 build or would they just fit the standard exhaust to the pre-orders - they cannot ask folk to find £2.4k extra after ordering car to spec happy with though obviously recover £300 of that by reducing the Reifnitz
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The forecasted week for MY20 changes is week 29 this year.
List price if TCR will go up by £2360 with there for Akrapovic then standard.
3 door Golf entirely removed from ordering
Vienna leather loses perforation
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If you've already ordered and end up getting a my20 built car then the price will be what's agreed. The R with the spec I'm looking at is now way cheaper than the TCR and the GTi performance is waaaaay cheaper still. Just need to justify to myself that a new 7.5 is the way to go and not just changing for the sake of it :whistle:
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The forecasted week for MY20 changes is week 29 this year.
List price if TCR will go up by £2360 with there for Akrapovic then standard.
3 door Golf entirely removed from ordering
Vienna leather loses perforation
Nice to see maths and power of deduction not escaped me :grin:
What build week we at now, anyone know? And also that’s not just a price increase VW have added a serious option and not absorbed cost that much so even recovering £300 from the Reifnitz price drop from pre-orders who have post week 29 builds presume cars are received at already purchased price?
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Also:
Standard DSG gear lever across models with black decorative sleeve
E.g no blue blue stitching on GTE.....
Active info gains Radiator post-drive mode after engine switch off
R and Rline specific logo styling on the bottom of the active info
Coasting default on DSG’s
The current eco coasting mode is now default when coasting rather than having to switch it on in infotainment.
Brand logo removed from engine cover
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If you've already ordered and end up getting a my20 built car then the price will be what's agreed. The R with the spec I'm looking at is now way cheaper than the TCR and the GTi performance is waaaaay cheaper still. Just need to justify to myself that a new 7.5 is the way to go and not just changing for the sake of it :whistle:
If this was state when ordered I would have 💯 just selected another R as I would take the AWD over the Akrapovich for my ££
I only went for TCR as it sat between GTI performance and the R and given minimal options worked out cheaper than going with another R
Unless a total enthusiast and desperately want one (who would have likely ordered already) this may kill the TCR orders as R takes them up
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Thats going to make the TCR a hard sell against the R, that is unless the R also gets an Akra as standard and equivalent price rise?
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Good news though for people who’ve already ordered. Can’t be bad for used prices! Have to agree that at current cost the TCR doesn’t stack up.
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Thats going to make the TCR a hard sell against the R, that is unless the R also gets an Akra as standard and equivalent price rise?
The DTD site which has proved to be accurate has the R at same price so the Akrapovich will likely remain the £3k option
Think this change will alienate the just generally interested but where value to pound is still really important and they choose the R and leave the TCR to the real enthusiast or to those who have financial capacity to take on the increase as Akrapovich is just a nice to have
Week 29 is circa July 15th so imagine mine is after given October delivery
Could also mean build slots running down and this cools flow but still likely enough orders to complete the run
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July 15th would count me out as mine is due to be built in the next couple of weeks.
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July 15th would count me out as mine is due to be built in the next couple of weeks.
When is your expected delivery?
Not sure of mine, never bothered asking but will check though suspect mine is a post week 29 build given mid October delivery (arrive late September for PDI?)- will stick to stance that it’s a really nice to have but it’s not a must have and know would be happy to receive car just as ordered
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I got a message on the app about 3 weeks ago but clicked on it without reading it (thinking the info would be in the app - but it isn’t) so missed the date. From what I read that’s usually an indication of being 4 weeks away from build so expect build to start next week possibly.
App shows build week confirmed still.
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If you've already ordered and end up getting a my20 built car then the price will be what's agreed. The R with the spec I'm looking at is now way cheaper than the TCR and the GTi performance is waaaaay cheaper still. Just need to justify to myself that a new 7.5 is the way to go and not just changing for the sake of it :whistle:
If this was state when ordered I would have 💯 just selected another R as I would take the AWD over the Akrapovich for my ££
I only went for TCR as it sat between GTI performance and the R and given minimal options worked out cheaper than going with another R
Unless a total enthusiast and desperately want one (who would have likely ordered already) this may kill the TCR orders as R takes them up
Has the full MY20 changes been released? I skimmed the thread and couldn't see a full breakdown, only snippets.
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Only seen snippets, not sure if that is everything or not.
One positive on missing out on the Akra is it won't take me over the 40k and increase my tax I guess.
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Only seen snippets, not sure if that is everything or not.
One positive on missing out on the Akra is it won't take me over the 40k and increase my tax I guess.
Honesty, as someone who likes a leery exhaust, the TCR as it supplies has a deep resonant sound when you put your foot down. It doesn't sound forced so I wouldn't be glum about not getting it optioned.
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Only seen snippets, not sure if that is everything or not.
One positive on missing out on the Akra is it won't take me over the 40k and increase my tax I guess.
Its just snippets from EVO, he keeping us keen, must be on a website hits commission :)
I would not see it as missing out on, as you would be paying for an option in purchase price that you would not have likely selected
The reduction in the Reifnitz Performance Pack by £300 was deliberate as it would take any purchaser immediately over the £40,000 at the original £2400 pricing - its likely the most popular pack and if select the next one up its obviously now seen as accepted you be breaking the £40,000
If want to protect that £40,000 threshold the only option left if selecting the Reifnitz would be the 90% tints, anything over £235 will break that limit
Think this change will keep the car to the enthusiast or to someone with less budget constraints and rest will place the AWD over the exhaust and take the R now instead
However, its likely build slots are running down and this change will slow the demand but still likely take up what remaining time it has left on its run
Some may get this as a freebie, about a £2000 one once adjusted the cost reduction on the reifnitz pack and its a nice to have if fall in that category but if I was wanting to purchase a TCR now I would be totally put off and I would be pushing buttons on another R
Come on EVO< drink your morning coffee, and a full list please, across the range :)
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Only seen snippets, not sure if that is everything or not.
One positive on missing out on the Akra is it won't take me over the 40k and increase my tax I guess.
Honesty, as someone who likes a leery exhaust, the TCR as it supplies has a deep resonant sound when you put your foot down. It doesn't sound forced so I wouldn't be glum about not getting it optioned.
My understanding was that the exhaust was different;y made and tuned and would bring its own sound and from hearing it in a variety of videos was more than happy - I do not actually like raucous, I like the deeper note so again I would be fine with the standard to as my immediate reaction supports
this is from the TCR literature
Stainless-steel exhaust system. The standard stainless-steel
exhaust system was also tuned for the increased performance.
The tailpipes are arranged on the left and right of the diffuser
in the rear.
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Only seen snippets, not sure if that is everything or not.
One positive on missing out on the Akra is it won't take me over the 40k and increase my tax I guess.
Honesty, as someone who likes a leery exhaust, the TCR as it supplies has a deep resonant sound when you put your foot down. It doesn't sound forced so I wouldn't be glum about not getting it optioned.
My understanding was that the exhaust was different;y made and tuned and would bring its own sound and from hearing it in a variety of videos was more than happy - I do not actually like raucous, I like the deeper note so again I would be fine with the standard to as my immediate reaction supports
this is from the TCR literature
Stainless-steel exhaust system. The standard stainless-steel
exhaust system was also tuned for the increased performance.
The tailpipes are arranged on the left and right of the diffuser
in the rear.
What I am struggling to understand is what the Akra brings to the party. Is it aesthetic and aural without power gains? I can do some spectacular man maths when it comes to cars and I'm scratching my head on this.
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This was from the website for the MK7 GTI.
power
+8.6 kW
at 4750 rpm
torque
+16.0 Nm
at 4350 rpm
weight
-6.9 kg
Not sure what it would be for the TCR, especially with current emission rules.
The man maths would have to be strong on this I think :)
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Only seen snippets, not sure if that is everything or not.
One positive on missing out on the Akra is it won't take me over the 40k and increase my tax I guess.
Honesty, as someone who likes a leery exhaust, the TCR as it supplies has a deep resonant sound when you put your foot down. It doesn't sound forced so I wouldn't be glum about not getting it optioned.
My understanding was that the exhaust was different;y made and tuned and would bring its own sound and from hearing it in a variety of videos was more than happy - I do not actually like raucous, I like the deeper note so again I would be fine with the standard to as my immediate reaction supports
this is from the TCR literature
Stainless-steel exhaust system. The standard stainless-steel
exhaust system was also tuned for the increased performance.
The tailpipes are arranged on the left and right of the diffuser
in the rear.
What I am struggling to understand is what the Akra brings to the party. Is it aesthetic and aural without power gains? I can do some spectacular man maths when it comes to cars and I'm scratching my head on this.
Apparently its
9KW extra power
6KG lighter
+16NM torque at 4350 RPM
Which is all quite negligible - I am same, never understood the clamour and always thought nice tips (which they are) but at a huge cost! also if you genuinely happy with the stock set up that reduces clamour - I would never pay for it, either as an option or in standard pricing I would 100% have selected another R
Here is the GTI Akprapovich official promo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWegI2OszzA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWegI2OszzA)
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This was from the website for the MK7 GTI.
power
+8.6 kW
at 4750 rpm
torque
+16.0 Nm
at 4350 rpm
weight
-6.9 kg
Not sure what it would be for the TCR, especially with current emission rules.
The man maths would have to be strong on this I think :)
I probably didn't articulate myself clearly - I was assuming that they were not going to increase power as they'd released performance figures and gone through WLTP. Also assumed they were finely tuning it to sit under the R in the model line up.
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This was from the website for the MK7 GTI.
power
+8.6 kW
at 4750 rpm
torque
+16.0 Nm
at 4350 rpm
weight
-6.9 kg
Not sure what it would be for the TCR, especially with current emission rules.
The man maths would have to be strong on this I think :)
I probably didn't articulate myself clearly - I was assuming that they were not going to increase power as they'd released performance figures and gone through WLTP. Also assumed they were finely tuning it to sit under the R in the model line up.
Agree, it has to meet its existing WLTP certificate so its just some nice tips and likely has a different sound -
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Only seen snippets, not sure if that is everything or not.
One positive on missing out on the Akra is it won't take me over the 40k and increase my tax I guess.
Honesty, as someone who likes a leery exhaust, the TCR as it supplies has a deep resonant sound when you put your foot down. It doesn't sound forced so I wouldn't be glum about not getting it optioned.
My understanding was that the exhaust was different;y made and tuned and would bring its own sound and from hearing it in a variety of videos was more than happy - I do not actually like raucous, I like the deeper note so again I would be fine with the standard to as my immediate reaction supports
this is from the TCR literature
Stainless-steel exhaust system. The standard stainless-steel
exhaust system was also tuned for the increased performance.
The tailpipes are arranged on the left and right of the diffuser
in the rear.
What I am struggling to understand is what the Akra brings to the party. Is it aesthetic and aural without power gains? I can do some spectacular man maths when it comes to cars and I'm scratching my head on this.
Apparently its
9KW extra power
6KG lighter
+16NM torque at 4350 RPM
Which is all quite negligible - I am same, never understood the clamour and always thought nice tips (which they are) but at a huge cost! also if you genuinely happy with the stock set up that reduces clamour - I would never pay for it, either as an option or in standard pricing I would 100% have selected another R
Here is the GTI Akprapovich official promo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWegI2OszzA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWegI2OszzA)
Sports exhaust on the right car makes a difference but for a run out special with a bespoke exhaust already, it's hard to see the thinking behind it.
Thanks for the video. Hard to judge on a slickly produced video with lots of lightning! :grin:
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Only seen snippets, not sure if that is everything or not.
One positive on missing out on the Akra is it won't take me over the 40k and increase my tax I guess.
Honesty, as someone who likes a leery exhaust, the TCR as it supplies has a deep resonant sound when you put your foot down. It doesn't sound forced so I wouldn't be glum about not getting it optioned.
My understanding was that the exhaust was different;y made and tuned and would bring its own sound and from hearing it in a variety of videos was more than happy - I do not actually like raucous, I like the deeper note so again I would be fine with the standard to as my immediate reaction supports
this is from the TCR literature
Stainless-steel exhaust system. The standard stainless-steel
exhaust system was also tuned for the increased performance.
The tailpipes are arranged on the left and right of the diffuser
in the rear.
What I am struggling to understand is what the Akra brings to the party. Is it aesthetic and aural without power gains? I can do some spectacular man maths when it comes to cars and I'm scratching my head on this.
Apparently its
9KW extra power
6KG lighter
+16NM torque at 4350 RPM
Which is all quite negligible - I am same, never understood the clamour and always thought nice tips (which they are) but at a huge cost! also if you genuinely happy with the stock set up that reduces clamour - I would never pay for it, either as an option or in standard pricing I would 100% have selected another R
Here is the GTI Akprapovich official promo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWegI2OszzA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWegI2OszzA)
Sports exhaust on the right car makes a difference but for a run out special with a bespoke exhaust already, it's hard to see the thinking behind it.
Thanks for the video. Hard to judge on a slickly produced video with lots of lightning! :grin:
Yes, very promo! but it had the figures in there, though as stated they quite pointless
This video better on a clubsport, though not quite sure if even same exhaust that would be fitted as tips are different from what seen on TCR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5TF7CCm3iU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5TF7CCm3iU)
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The reduction in the Reifnitz Performance Pack by £300 was deliberate as it would take any purchaser immediately over the £40,000 at the original £2400 pricing - its likely the most popular pack and if select the next one up its obviously now seen as accepted you be breaking the £40,000
If want to protect that £40,000 threshold the only option left if selecting the Reifnitz would be the 90% tints, anything over £235 will break that limit
Not true. The £40k+ luxury tax is calculated on the List/RRP before OTR costs. The TCR has OTR costs of £1220, so a TCR can't exceed £41,220 OTR if the buyer wants to avoid the luxury tax. A MY20 TCR + the Reifnitz Pack is £39,765 on the Road (according to DTD), there's so still some wiggle room to add a few more options such as paint and Dynaudio.
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The reduction in the Reifnitz Performance Pack by £300 was deliberate as it would take any purchaser immediately over the £40,000 at the original £2400 pricing - its likely the most popular pack and if select the next one up its obviously now seen as accepted you be breaking the £40,000
If want to protect that £40,000 threshold the only option left if selecting the Reifnitz would be the 90% tints, anything over £235 will break that limit
Not true. The £40k+ luxury tax is calculated on the List/RRP before OTR costs. The TCR has OTR costs of £1220, so a TCR can't exceed £41,220 OTR if the buyer wants to avoid the luxury tax. A MY20 TCR + the Reifnitz Pack is £39,765 on the Road (according to DTD), there's so still some wiggle room to add a few more options such as paint and Dynaudio.
Did not know that, so thanks for clarifying - Seems strange they dropped the Reifnitz pack by £300 then considering they put most other things up, so maybe it was just to give back a little and still keep the price just under the £40,000 which despite it not being the actual ceiling from what you stated is still a landmark figure that makes you think about just how much spending - so a psychological ceiling lets call it :)
Anyway spin it now, its a game changer for the TCR as you must really want that exhaust to look past an R now at £1500 saving
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I have two VW price lists for the Golf. One is from 1st April and the other dated 23rd May. In both price lists the Reifnitz Performance Pack is £2,100.
The VW configurator is notoriously unreliable for providing accurate information.
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Thats going to make the TCR a hard sell against the R, that is unless the R also gets an Akra as standard and equivalent price rise?
Week 29 is circa July 15th so imagine mine is after given October delivery
Could also mean build slots running down and this cools flow but still likely enough orders to complete the run
Assume your October delivery is what you requested to fall in line with replacing your current car?
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Thats going to make the TCR a hard sell against the R, that is unless the R also gets an Akra as standard and equivalent price rise?
Week 29 is circa July 15th so imagine mine is after given October delivery
Could also mean build slots running down and this cools flow but still likely enough orders to complete the run
Assume your October delivery is what you requested to fall in line with replacing your current car?
Yes, 25th October is the delivery date and return of the R (though each year its always been a week or so earlier, so expect it to be ready 10th onward)
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Thats going to make the TCR a hard sell against the R, that is unless the R also gets an Akra as standard and equivalent price rise?
Week 29 is circa July 15th so imagine mine is after given October delivery
Could also mean build slots running down and this cools flow but still likely enough orders to complete the run
Assume your October delivery is what you requested to fall in line with replacing your current car?
Yes, 25th October is the delivery date and return of the R (though each year its always been a week or so earlier, so expect it to be ready 10th onward)
Not sure I'd be able to wait that long!!
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Thats going to make the TCR a hard sell against the R, that is unless the R also gets an Akra as standard and equivalent price rise?
Week 29 is circa July 15th so imagine mine is after given October delivery
Could also mean build slots running down and this cools flow but still likely enough orders to complete the run
Assume your October delivery is what you requested to fall in line with replacing your current car?
Yes, 25th October is the delivery date and return of the R (though each year its always been a week or so earlier, so expect it to be ready 10th onward)
Not sure I'd be able to wait that long!!
Actually found myself having a new appreciation for the R and its been quite painless, the wait from the GTD to the R? now that was a painful wait as despite how capable the GTD was and how much appreciated it, the R is obviously something completely different :)
Due to the sometimes issue with lead times we get quite an early view of system so can make decision and imagine some dither for ages and take it to cut off date, I was pretty much clear on the MK 7.5 R being the next one up, and though changed that to the TCR it was still a relatively quick decision - downside of this is usually is its a long wait - the upside on this occasion is that quite sad to see the R go and have been enjoying driving it again with that thinking - we off on a 7 day road trip soon for more farewell miles.
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Thinking an '18 R could be on my next car list as looking to opt out of having a company car.
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Thinking an '18 R could be on my next car list as looking to opt out of having a company car.
Its a decision cannot get wrong, I would happily keep this 66 plate R and despite it having some unwanted car park attention, it's never once been in for any mechanical work, drives better than it ever has, and whoever picks up at auction will be getting a really good deal.
In general the R is such a great car - forget the finite critique that some bring to the table, its just a car that allows you not to compromise performance for comfort, some cars might do the extremes better, but none do both so well. its the consummate daily performance car.
Know its relative but when have the correct conditions to open its legs its truly rapid, more than enough for any road in UK, and completely planted which is its own characteristic thats fun to me - expect the TCR to replicate the rapid and just have a lighter feel.
It was only the last minute arrival of the TCR that swayed me, the R had already seen off the opposition such as the new A35 AMG that I looked at.
This TCR might be my keeper if the next 3 years goes well with it and I might opt out of the company lease and take the money.
Forget the popularity of the R on the road, it means there will be lots of clean ones out there so just take time sourcing one. (VWROC forum has a classified and most are members who sale)
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Thinking an '18 R could be on my next car list as looking to opt out of having a company car.
Its a decision cannot get wrong, I would happily keep this 66 plate R and despite it having some unwanted car park attention, it's never once been in for any mechanical work, drives better than it ever has, and whoever picks up at auction will be getting a really good deal.
In general the R is such a great car - forget the finite critique that some bring to the table, its just a car that allows you not to compromise performance for comfort, some cars might do the extremes better, but none do both so well. its the consummate daily performance car.
Know its relative but when have the correct conditions to open its legs its truly rapid, more than enough for any road in UK, and completely planted which is its own characteristic thats fun to me - expect the TCR to replicate the rapid and just have a lighter feel.
It was only the last minute arrival of the TCR that swayed me, the R had already seen off the opposition such as the new A35 AMG that I looked at.
This TCR might be my keeper if the next 3 years goes well with it and I might opt out of the company lease and take the money.
Forget the popularity of the R on the road, it means there will be lots of clean ones out there so just take time sourcing one. (VWROC forum has a classified and most are members who sale)
Thanks for the info.
I love the GTI P but the lightness you mention is definitely noticeable but haven't driven an R so can't compare. The TCR will be rapid - I'm often surprised at the progress you can make along the roads (Peak District) near me and in most circumstances, it's as quick as you need to or can be going. With an extra 40 horses that mid-range will be even more noticeable. Low-speed traction is a problem, especially on days like today and setting off requires a lighter right foot. Once moving there are no real issues.
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Thinking an '18 R could be on my next car list as looking to opt out of having a company car.
Its a decision cannot get wrong, I would happily keep this 66 plate R and despite it having some unwanted car park attention, it's never once been in for any mechanical work, drives better than it ever has, and whoever picks up at auction will be getting a really good deal.
In general the R is such a great car - forget the finite critique that some bring to the table, its just a car that allows you not to compromise performance for comfort, some cars might do the extremes better, but none do both so well. its the consummate daily performance car.
Know its relative but when have the correct conditions to open its legs its truly rapid, more than enough for any road in UK, and completely planted which is its own characteristic thats fun to me - expect the TCR to replicate the rapid and just have a lighter feel.
It was only the last minute arrival of the TCR that swayed me, the R had already seen off the opposition such as the new A35 AMG that I looked at.
This TCR might be my keeper if the next 3 years goes well with it and I might opt out of the company lease and take the money.
Forget the popularity of the R on the road, it means there will be lots of clean ones out there so just take time sourcing one. (VWROC forum has a classified and most are members who sale)
Thanks for the info.
I love the GTI P but the lightness you mention is definitely noticeable but haven't driven an R so can't compare. The TCR will be rapid - I'm often surprised at the progress you can make along the roads (Peak District) near me and in most circumstances, it's as quick as you need to or can be going. With an extra 40 horses that mid-range will be even more noticeable. Low-speed traction is a problem, especially on days like today and setting off requires a lighter right foot. Once moving there are no real issues.
Had not considered the GTI at all, it was another R or the A35 AMG that was in the head to head it was only that the TCR had the now well known lifts and fact the GTI was on the itch to scratch list with its heritage that swung me - heart over head really given how highly think of the R, of which if you go that direction you will see how consummately assured it is delivering that power to the tarmac.
Had a GTD which had terrible tramping issues till changed out the tyres and even then you had to feather your start so realise there is compromise in dropping the AWD but hoping the equal pace once moving, the lightness and the overall package will give me that feeling of driving something special, that the R does (do not look over at much and think I would like that unless much higher up food chain)
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Know its relative but when have the correct conditions to open its legs its truly rapid,
Stretch maybe? :whistle:
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Know its relative but when have the correct conditions to open its legs its truly rapid,
Stretch maybe? :whistle:
Did say it was relative :wink: relative to my experience of the R being personally the fastest car driven and when floor it, it 4 something seconds feels pretty rapid to me, and more than enough for any UK road
So forgive me for maybe misrepresenting a little against truly rapid beasts out there and will settle for the R being just pretty damn quick and more than enough for most
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Would someone else like to explain?
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Would someone else like to explain?
It’s late haha, and I should ban myself from writing anything while watching tv (watching killing eve)
But yes get what mean now and retract last message - banning self from any further internet use now :grin:
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Would someone else like to explain?
I must confess to getting a bit lost after the car spread its legs. :whistle:
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Would someone else like to explain?
I must confess to getting a bit lost after the car spread its legs. :whistle:
haha, I know, i know! :) the thread is descending rapidly now, so I will take all of this as a bit of learning to be careful with my descriptions :embarrassed:
And never reply using an Iphone is thats always a challenge on this site, and more so when its late and watching TV, as completely missed Dubber leg pull :laugh:
Ok, into my working day, first conference call already :cry:
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Know its relative but when have the correct conditions to open its legs its truly rapid,
Stretch maybe? :whistle:
Watching Killing Eve - definitely had his mind on something else :grin:
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Know its relative but when have the correct conditions to open its legs its truly rapid,
Stretch maybe? :whistle:
Watching Killing Eve - definitely had his mind on something else :grin:
:grin: I think the tone of this thread could go horribly post watershed so I'm not going to say what I was thinking but know that you know what I was thinking. :whistle:
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Would the expectation be that it would be made to sound the same as the golf r equivalent or different?
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Also:
Standard DSG gear lever across models with black decorative sleeve
E.g no blue blue stitching on GTE.....
Active info gains Radiator post-drive mode after engine switch off
R and Rline specific logo styling on the bottom of the active info
Coasting default on DSG’s
The current eco coasting mode is now default when coasting rather than having to switch it on in infotainment.
Brand logo removed from engine cover
Coasting on by default on every driving mode? If so I won't be too happy
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Also:
Standard DSG gear lever across models with black decorative sleeve
E.g no blue blue stitching on GTE.....
Active info gains Radiator post-drive mode after engine switch off
R and Rline specific logo styling on the bottom of the active info
Coasting default on DSG’s
The current eco coasting mode is now default when coasting rather than having to switch it on in infotainment.
Brand logo removed from engine cover
Coasting on by default on every driving mode? If so I won't be too happy
Not in every driving mode. The change is that you don’t have to select it to be on from within eco mode.
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Not in every driving mode. The change is that you don’t have to select it to be on from within eco mode.
That’s not new. My MY19 had/has coasting on by default, without having to activate it.
I find it really useful when I’m going through 20/30mph zones.
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I don't like coasting. When driving in flowing traffic, even at a good distance back from the traffic in front, the lack of engine braking means having to apply the brakes when traffic slows ahead, rather than lifting. There is a tendancy to catch the slowing traffic up too quickly, not allowing smooth driving. I guess it's just something to re-adjust to, but I'm glad to be able to turn it off permenantly.
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I have never used Eco mode. If I wanted an Eco car, I would have bought something else.
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I have never used Eco mode. If I wanted an Eco car, I would have bought something else.
Best.reply.ever!!!
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VW responded to an email and this is what received and nothing not really know just a confirmation to the Akrapovich, though it does look a little incomplete given information EVO provided and suppose there is still chance there is other changes that we shall see soon enough as MY20 started July 1st and VW UK will catch up eventually!
was hoping the kessy would have the motion detector keys but no mention.
Golf family
Hatch
– 3 door closed for ordering
– Vienna Leather loses perforation (rear seats only)
– Akrapovic exhaust now standard on GTI TCR
– VW Connect Dongle (YOI) added to S and Match trims
Estate
– Vienna Leather loses perforation (rear seats only)
– VW Connect Dongle (YOI) added to S and Match trims
SV
– VW Connect Dongle (YOI) added to S and Match trims
– Removal of the CD Player
– Panoramic sunroof not available with the 2.0 TDI 150PS 7-speed DSG engine
e-Golf
– No changes to e-Golf
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Interesting that with leather, the front seats will have perforated leather but the rear seats won’t :shocked:. IMO, that would look really odd.
I certainly wouldn’t be ordering leather, to end up with odd, mismatched seats :grin:.
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Interesting that with leather, the front seats will have perforated leather but the rear seats won’t :shocked:. IMO, that would look really odd.
I certainly wouldn’t be ordering leather, to end up with odd, mismatched seats :grin:.
Maybe they realised that perforated leather is pretty ridiculous to clean when kids have been in there hence removing from rear seats?! Still a bit odd all the same.
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Is that how Audi do their sports sears - different front to back?
Agree it’s odd.
Shame no mention of KESSY update.
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Looks like the TCR on display at goodwood has the akrapovic exhaust.
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Looks like the TCR on display at goodwood has the akrapovic exhaust.
You'd hope it had, as it's now standard!
Still odd that VW hasn't updated the website to reflect this though, yet a national car selling website has.
https://www.nationwide-cars.co.uk/cars/volkswagen/golf/20-tsi-290-gti-tcr-5dr-dsg-88847/
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Looks like the TCR on display at goodwood has the akrapovic exhaust.
https://www.vwpress.co.uk/en-gb/releases/3855 (https://www.vwpress.co.uk/en-gb/releases/3855)
The press release with TCR on display with The Akrapovich
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Should have been standard at first.
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Should have been standard at first.
It was the concept and aligns with the whole premise of the TCR being something a little more edgier to see out the MK7 run and think most thought it would at minimum be a payable performance pack option so it is strange it was not even that
Would not have paid for it as an option and genuinely like the standard exhaust tips and so was not that bothered to not see the Akrapovich - But as it takes the car back to concept version that was shown at Worthersea quite happy to have it thrown in as a freebie (been few times over years been on wrong side of a change so part of balancing things out suppose)
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Should have been standard at first.
It was the concept and aligns with the whole premise of the TCR being something a little more edgier to see out the MK7 run and think most thought it would at minimum be a payable performance pack option so it is strange it was not even that
Would not have paid for it as an option and genuinely like the standard exhaust tips and so was not that bothered to not see the Akrapovich - But as it takes the car back to concept version that was shown at Worthersea quite happy to have it thrown in as a freebie (been few times over years been on wrong side of a change so part of balancing things out suppose)
Yep. From the outset if was always mentioned as an option but then didn’t appear. For me, the TCR needs the exhaust. I certainly wouldn’t have optioned it but standard it’s a bonus which I think makes the car and sets it apart from the standard gti. If I was ever in the market for a second hand tcr then I’d only want one with the exhaust. That’s just me though. I’m sure it won’t bother others.
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Looks like the TCR on display at goodwood has the akrapovic exhaust.
You'd hope it had, as it's now standard!
Still odd that VW hasn't updated the website to reflect this though, yet a national car selling website has.
https://www.nationwide-cars.co.uk/cars/volkswagen/golf/20-tsi-290-gti-tcr-5dr-dsg-88847/
Curious that Nationwide Cars are pricing it “correctly”, just looked at base spec from Coast2coast and they quote 15% off still using original price I think so under £30k still (using PCP £1500) so ran a quick Carwow quote and even those dealers are using old prices, best so far 12.9% (£30756 inc £1500 VW PCP)
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Just checked the VW Configurator and its being updated with just a couple of models up there for selection, so we should see soon what the MY20 changes are
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I hope it does become available for the TCR, then I can order it for my PP and it not impact my warranty! :cool:
I tried to get an Akrapovic on my PP, but sadly it's very complicated and a system is not yet street legal for the 7.5 in the UK. The 'slip-on' exhaust is possible without the downpipe & link, but it's stupid loud and you lose power (and it causes ECU errors) due to back pressure. To cure this you have to use the Akrapovic downpipe & link kit, but then that breaks emission levels for road use, so isn't street legal in the UK. Fine for track (and is sold on that premise), but not yet ready for the road.
I'd guess that this might be why it got canned for the TCR, which is why this is a very interesting development if true. :smiley:
After a few months waiting, I finally have a bit of progress on this! My dealer rang me to say that the parts system is now showing MY20 cars and in turn the Akra Exhaust on the TCR which he could trace using the part number I gave him. It's been a complete ball-ache mission getting the part number, but I eventually got it. The Akra system on the TCR is showing as a system from the GPF back, not just a backbox.
The only slight problem is there's no "price file" attributed to the central computer yet, so it has no price and without a price it's not available for order. So more waiting, and fingers crossed for a reasonable price that's in line with Akra themselves... :grin:
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I hope it does become available for the TCR, then I can order it for my PP and it not impact my warranty! :cool:
I tried to get an Akrapovic on my PP, but sadly it's very complicated and a system is not yet street legal for the 7.5 in the UK. The 'slip-on' exhaust is possible without the downpipe & link, but it's stupid loud and you lose power (and it causes ECU errors) due to back pressure. To cure this you have to use the Akrapovic downpipe & link kit, but then that breaks emission levels for road use, so isn't street legal in the UK. Fine for track (and is sold on that premise), but not yet ready for the road.
I'd guess that this might be why it got canned for the TCR, which is why this is a very interesting development if true. :smiley:
After a few months waiting, I finally have a bit of progress on this! My dealer rang me to say that the parts system is now showing MY20 cars and in turn the Akra Exhaust on the TCR which he could trace using the part number I gave him. It's been a complete ball-ache mission getting the part number, but I eventually got it. The Akra system on the TCR is showing as a system from the GPF back, not just a backbox.
The only slight problem is there's no "price file" attributed to the central computer yet, so it has no price and without a price it's not available for order. So more waiting, and fingers crossed for a reasonable price that's in line with Akra themselves... :grin:
Fingers crossed for a reasonable price :grin: It'll be £3k.