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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: mike roberts on 27 February 2019, 21:05
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Seems they've finished their testing. :evil:
Linky to 317PS of win (https://www.onlyrevo.com/product-details/software/volkswagen/golf-vii/314/stage-1)
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Sounds great. But you might want to check your link as it doesn’t work...
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D'oh. Fixed.
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That's some impressive power gains
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I believe it has a different turbo to the previous PP’s version of the engine.
Some oopf for sure though. Having always had REVO going way back to my MK4 Anniversary, it won’t be enthusiastic figures either.
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I wonder how the traction would work with all that extra bhp going through the front wheels?
Remember the days of the astra vxr which had crazy torque steer which made it almost unusable... memories lol
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I’ve not driven a Cupra, but I imagine a bit like that. You’d want the LSD turning up to CSS level of lock I bet.
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Weirdly, Revo quote lower Stage 1 figures for the 245PS engine than they do the 220/230PS Mk7 GTI engines.
As Mike mentions above, looks like there's some differences between the engines.
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Weirdly, Revo quote lower Stage 1 figures for the 245PS engine than they do the 220/230PS Mk7 GTI engines.
As Mike mentions above, looks like there's some differences between the engines.
I wonder if it has anything to do with the new petrol particle filter.
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I wonder if it has anything to do with the new petrol particle filter.
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Not necessarilly; my 18 plate is a 245 FL PP and that doesn't have the PPF.
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I wonder if it has anything to do with the new petrol particle filter.
Not necessarilly; my 18 plate is a 245 FL PP and that doesn't have the PPF.
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It will do. All 7.5 PP models have the GPF. If you can get a picture of underneath of your car or whatever it can be pointed out.
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The power graphs on the REVO page look good, plenty of strong useable mid range power.
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If you look at the Mk7 GTI ones, apart from peak power from 4.5k upwards, there isn't much between the various stages of tune (1-3).
Makes you wonder if (for everyday driving) it's worth going more than stage 1? although you could say from that, is it worth going for stage 1 at all?
BTW, I'm not anti tuning - had a tuning box on mine for a while and my previous car was tuned too.
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If you look at the Mk7 GTI ones, apart from peak power from 4.5k upwards, there isn't much between the various stages of tune (1-3).
Makes you wonder if (for everyday driving) it's worth going more than stage 1? although you could say from that, is it worth going for stage 1 at all?
BTW, I'm not anti tuning - had a tuning box on mine for a while and my previous car was tuned too.
I’ve had literally a dozen or more stage 1 maps on my cars going back 20 years plus and have never seen the point of going beyond stage 1 for a road car.
The extra mid range boost makes for a much more satisfying drive if you don’t have a chocolate clutch.
However this latest generation of GTI and R engines have so much torque you don’t really need anything more if just using it for road use.
That doesn’t stop a stage 1 being a ‘nice to have’ feature though!
Some people get lots of pleasure sinking thousands into modifying but you very much do have a law of vastly diminishing returns once past stage 1.
I ran a JB1 on my R which was fun but impossible to use more than around two thirds of the Rev range without getting into silly speeds. Fine if you live somewhere where that’s not a problem!
My Clubsport I’ve left standard and is more fun in that state of tune. Never thought I’d hear myself say that!
The mk4,5,6 GTI’s really benefitted from stage 1 as the power delivery was as flat as a three day old roadkill. That extra torque and power hump was much needed.
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I can’t say I’m champing at the bit for Stage1, doesn’t feel like it needs it - although it’d be fun in the right circumstances.
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I wonder if it has anything to do with the new petrol particle filter.
Not necessarilly; my 18 plate is a 245 FL PP and that doesn't have the PPF.
It will do. All 7.5 PP models have the GPF. If you can get a picture of underneath of your car or whatever it can be pointed out.
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Oh, I thought mine didn't as the dealer said so (I know, I know...), and mine was built before the break in production to get them WHLTP certified. so assumed it didn't have one. Oh well, schoolday... :smiley:
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So who’s having it done first?
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I think Exonian sums it up very well. I'm in no rush to go stage 1 but I will be doing it at some point.
BTW, when did remaps become so expensive. The first remap I had done was only £200.
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I'd probably go for a DSG map too, so that's adding more :grin:
Anyone got a new version of ETKA to confirm my different turbo theory?
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The power graphs on the REVO page look good, plenty of strong useable mid range power.
I'm VERY tempted by this, now my engine is loosening up I think the mid-range could do with some more shove once on the move, and judging by those graphs this seems to deliver exactly where it's needed, plus it evens out the lumps & bumps of the standard map.
I'd probably go for a DSG map too, so that's adding more :grin:
From what I've read (but not had confirmed) is the 7.5 PP box doesn't need mapping. The box used is apparently the same one found in the Audi S3 and Golf R which in turn might be the same one used further up the ladder in the RS3, so can withstand significantly more torque than's being put through it. A friend of mine has had his 7.5 Golf R mapped and we discussed box mapping when I was considering an R, here's what he said:
"I chose APR for the Golf R as tried & trusted for VAG cars. Used Revolution in Newcastle for the actual work as they are close friends. Now as of last week at Stage 2 Hi-Torque with a good few mechanical upgrades, so around 420ish bhp & about the same lbsft. APR haven’t yet launched their DSG tune for the newer 7spd box. Isn’t required even at Stage 2 as the new box is significantly stronger with a much higher torque rating than the 6spd..
Stage 1 will get you to around 380-390bhp & 390-400lbsft without hardware changes, although still advisable to get the Turbo piping upgraded (inlet pipe & Turbo elbow etc.) That’s about £220 for the 3 pipes. Not sure if it’s exactly the same box as the RS3, but does ring a bell. APR themselves state the DSG doesn’t need mapping until you head to Stage 3 which is new turbos & 500+bhp."
So if the box in the GTI is the same as the R, I would be confident that it doesn't need mapping.
It would be great to find out for sure though as I'm really tempted by this. £600 is a good price to get this level of transformation.
Anybody with EKTA able to confirm if the box and turbo on the 7.5 PP is the same the R?
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Should have said, I want the map purely to get rid of the annoying auto-upshift.
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Anybody with ETKA able to confirm if the box and turbo on the 7.5 PP is the same the R?
I've spoken to a couple of tuners about this REVO remap and I'm totally sold on the power range this map supposedly gives, but none of them have tried it on a real car yet so have no actual rolling road figures/graphs only REVO's publicised figures. Given the milage I do it would be great to find out the answer to the questions above as I don't want to be pushing any limits/boundaries on vital components. If they are the same as the R then it's safe to say they will be able to handle this map with ease.
Nobody seems to be able to confirm or speculate, the tuners all say that without ripping a new PP apart they wouldn't be able to tell. There's a chap on VWROC with ETKA, but he only appears to be interested in using ETKA if he's bragging talking about his car.
Anybody here with ETKA? :smiley:
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I don't reckon it has the R's turbo, but it's certainly looking like it's different to the old GTI engine.
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I don't reckon it has the R's turbo, but it's certainly looking like it's different to the old GTI engine.
It's an interesting one. The DSG is 99.99% the same unit, but with the Turbo my gut says you're right. Having said that though, some of the tuners I have spoken too think there's a high chance it might be the same Turbo as the R, done for cost-saving and production-speed reasons during/after the WLTP f**k-up. :huh:
If that's the case it would be a winner if its was the same tubby under the hood.
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Isn't it an IS20 turbo in the GTi and the R?
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GTI has the IS20, R/S3/Cupra have the IS38. I think I saw a 245PP booked in for Stage 1 in the diary next week, if it arrives I'll post the dyno graphs.
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Is that for the 245PP, and is it the same as the MK7 GTI?
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yep, 245 has the same turbo as the 230ps GTI part number 06K 145 874 L. Different engines though, 245 is more like the R but with slightly different pistons.
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Cool.
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yep, 245 has the same turbo as the 230ps GTI part number 06K 145 874 L. Different engines though, 245 is more like the R but with slightly different pistons.
Do you know how they are different?
Are you saying the 245PS is a stronger version of the EA888 Gen 3 with IS20 that's found in the 230PS?
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yep, 245 has the same turbo as the 230ps GTI part number 06K 145 874 L. Different engines though, 245 is more like the R but with slightly different pistons.
Thanks for the info. I'm assuming you mean the 7.5 230ps, not the 7 230?ps
So on a scale of safe tolerances, in your opinion how do you think the REVO map in the original link will push a 245 for a medium/high milage user given they are quoting 310 and lots of torque?
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So his stock bhp is 22 above what VW say for a 7.5 GTi? I think the Dyno used needs calibrating :whistle:
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So his stock bhp is 22 above what VW say for a 7.5 GTi? I think the Dyno used needs calibrating :whistle:
I think the problem is that "some" tuners will artificially inflate the standard figures knowing that they have got a (for instance) 80bhp increase, meaning their headline figures look better in relation to the competition.
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So his stock bhp is 22 above what VW say for a 7.5 GTi? I think the Dyno used needs calibrating :whistle:
I thought it quite widely known the 7.5 in the real world is over 242 bhp. Ive certainly seen quite a few rr results with 250bhp+ standard
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Most VW's are usually slightly over but not 22 over at stock.
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Most VW's are usually slightly over but not 22 over at stock.
If they are a healthy 250bhp+ then could explain why the 245 P beat a Clubsport S on the 1/4 mile run :smiley:
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I stumbled across IG user @mpn_1682 who is running revo on his 7.5gti dsg
Stock : 267.40bhp / 270.31 lbft
Stage 1 : 335.35 bhp / 353.13 lbft
Stage 2 : 371.48bhp / 376.17 lbft
So stage 1 alone looks to give some decent figures. Even stock looks great
Interesting find. It looks like some sort of Revo test/development car, so perhaps the owner works for a tuner. Whatever it is there's clearly some vested interest in Revo.
https://www.instagram.com/mpn_1682/
The full stats he's quoting are as follows:
Stock: 232.53whp = 267.40bhp, 270.31Ibs ft
Stage 1: 291.61whp = 335.35bhp, 353.13Ibs ft
Stage 2: 323.03whp = 371.48bhp, 376.17Ibs ft
No dyno plots though... :huh:
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Given his figures are consistently +20 to stock and Revo’s - I think we all know it’s on the cock.
Allowing for that though, the increases seem to tie up.