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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Bullfinch on 23 February 2019, 19:07
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I went into 2 VW dealers today with my precise spec for a new Golf GTi 7.5 and there are none in the UK dealer network. Hence if I was to commit to a new build (due in around wk 19 which is late May) then VW reserve the right to amend the price if there was a no deal Brexit. I don't want to start a political remain/leave thread but all I know is a potential 10% rise in cost was enough to make me walk away. Totally understand the situation VW find themselves in but surely sales of new factory build orders are going to plummet short-term until this uncertainty is resolved. Dealers were saying customers are snapping up cars available in the UK. Obviously could be BS but equally there may be a degree of truth.
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https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/porsche-warns-10-price-rise-after-no-deal-brexit
Make of it what you will...
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I went into 2 VW dealers today with my precise spec for a new Golf GTi 7.5 and there are none in the UK dealer network. Hence if I was to commit to a new build (due in around wk 19 which is late May) then VW reserve the right to amend the price if there was a no deal Brexit. I don't want to start a political remain/leave thread but all I know is a potential 10% rise in cost was enough to make me walk away. Totally understand the situation VW find themselves in but surely sales of new factory build orders are going to plummet short-term until this uncertainty is resolved. Dealers were saying customers are snapping up cars available in the UK. Obviously could be BS but equally there may be a degree of truth.
Yep, this is a real thing and you will see it across the board with different brands. Yay Im so glad we are leaving :whistle:
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It shouldn't stop anyone from ordering a car. If you agree a price and they increase it before delivery then you have the right to walk away.
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As I have previously said on this forum, this is precisely why I decided to order a new GTI 245 last Oct for 1 March 19 delivery.
I decided to de-risk matters as far as my next GTI was concerned. So I changed car a little earlier than I otherwise would to get in before 29 March.
My view attracted little attention or comment on this forum 3 months ago. I was surprised.
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Let me know what you are looking for and I will see what’s around nationally
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Also perhaps why I got an extremely good price for my 2 yr old GTI........
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The German car makers were warned. We have a significant trade deficit with the EU.
Maybe not for much longer.
I'm looking to buy a GTI or R in the Summer. I see the R is now available to build and it too comes with keyless which can't be deselected.
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Wednesday seems to be the turning point for a meaningful vote.Time is almost up now. VW must be absolutely bricking it just now.
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The 10% relates to possible tariffs if we leave without a deal. I really can’t see that happening, I reckon article 50 will either be extended another six months or a deal will pass at the 11th hour. Of course tariffs are only one factor. The £/€ exchange rate has devalued by around 20% since 2016 hence why a £28k GTI is now a £34k GTI. I also changed my car for March rather than September when it was due for the same reasons - plus with the mk8 coming along I didn’t want to be left with mk 7.5s in short supply or mk8’s with no early discounts (or not even available until 2020).
Back on the subject of 10% tariffs, the UK reserves the right not to apply them. There’s a risk the EU would not reciprocate on UK car exports (Honda/Nissan/JLR) but it’s an option nonetheless.
My personal view is that tariffs will be mutually damaging and government/business will find a way around it. I don’t buy all the scare stories. I also don’t buy the utopian Brexit dream. The reality lies somewhere in between.
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The 10% relates to possible tariffs if we leave without a deal. I really can’t see that happening, I reckon article 50 will either be extended another six months or a deal will pass at the 11th hour. Of course tariffs are only one factor. The £/€ exchange rate has devalued by around 20% since 2016 hence why a £28k GTI is now a £34k GTI. I also changed my car for March rather than September when it was due for the same reasons - plus with the mk8 coming along I didn’t want to be left with mk 7.5s in short supply or mk8’s with no early discounts (or not even available until 2020).
Back on the subject of 10% tariffs, the UK reserves the right not to apply them. There’s a risk the EU would not reciprocate on UK car exports (Honda/Nissan/JLR) but it’s an option nonetheless.
I think that's right. We are free. Free to make our own choices. I suspect in a no deal scenario both sides would just agree no tariffs. Again, we have a trade deficit with the EU.
There are so many other factors a play anyway.
I can't afford a new car so am looking at a 17 plate 7.5 GTI. EU WLTP BS has screwed the second hand market.
The EU is destroying the car industry.
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PCP screwed the used car market.
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Time to set up a firm bringing in grey imports. 20 years ago there were lots of them around when all the talk was about the price differential between here the mainland. But as with the used car market, PCPs have buggered that too. If you can get cheap monthlies, it doesn't matter to most what the sticker price is, as long as it doesn't go over £40k. There will no doubt be finance incentives to keep people buying. It's also a crafty way around getting more people into new 'rented' cars and getting older cars to the tip. I might as well scrap my Mk2 now.
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It’s true. A couple of weeks ago my friend ordered a new Porsche, and on completion of his order the dealer provided a formal letter to say that in event of a ‘no deal’ brexit he had agreed the car price will go up by 10% to cover the new imposed import taxes. It outlined both cost totals and broke down where the 10% would be applied.
So his £66k car might be £73k. :shocked:
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It’s true. A couple of weeks ago my friend ordered a new Porsche, and on completion of his order the dealer provided a formal letter to say that in event of a ‘no deal’ brexit he had agreed the car price will go up by 10% to cover the new imposed import taxes. It outlined both cost totals and broke down where the 10% would be applied.
So his £66k car might be £73k. :shocked:
I suspect someone who can afford £66k on a car is unlikely to be put off by it costing £73k though. When you’re adding ten percent further down the pecking order, people will just walk and buy alternatives. VW and the German government will only tolerate that for so long. In the end, money talks. Something will be sorted out.
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The reason someone has £66k to spend on a car is because he's been careful and not spent any more than he's needed to. That extra £7k, is still £7k whether it's on top of a £66k car, or a £660k car. So it's no really a case of been able to afford the extra, so it won't matter
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I solved my problem today. As well as brand new I was happy to look at 68 reg low mileage vehicles. Turns out one dealer pre-registered a GTI in Dec 18 with the exact spec I want (Indium Grey, leather, 19" Brescias and dynaudio) and it's done 36 miles! It's one of the early MY19 vehicles which means I avoid the keyless start gimmick (theft risk) so happy with that too. Picking up this coming Sunday. I run mine on a private plate so just need to do sort out all the V5 plate transfer stuff etc.
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I solved my problem today. As well as brand new I was happy to look at 68 reg low mileage vehicles. Turns out one dealer pre-registered a GTI in Dec 18 with the exact spec I want (Indium Grey, leather, 19" Brescias and dynaudio) and it's done 36 miles! It's one of the early MY19 vehicles which means I avoid the keyless start gimmick (theft risk) so happy with that too. Picking up this coming Sunday. I run mine on a private plate so just need to do sort out all the V5 plate transfer stuff etc.
Result!
Hopefully you got a great deal.
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When you’re adding ten percent further down the pecking order, people will just walk and buy alternatives. VW and the German government will only tolerate that for so long. In the end, money talks. Something will be sorted out.
Alternatives like what?
British Leyland went out of business a while ago I seem to remember...
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Ha yes. I did another thread on what people would buy if we couldn’t have an EU car. The alternatives (in the same price range) were pretty uninspiring.
Fear not, however. Brexit will be postponed. And then MPs will veto ‘no deal’. Leaving us with May’s deal that both Leavers and Remainers loathe in equal measure or ... staying in the EU. It’s the Hotel California. You can check out, but you can never leave.
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Ha yes. I did another thread on what people would buy if we couldn’t have an EU car. The alternatives (in the same price range) were pretty uninspiring.
Honda's off that list now too lol
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Something has been going on at Honda for a good while. Our neighbour has worked in R&D at Swindon for the best part of 20 years. He's not been going in for well over a year now. He still has the new company cars every six months. I've asked on a couple of occasions if he's retired, as he is 50 now, but he says he's having a bit of time away and working from home. I thought he'd been given gardening leave for been involved in the abortion of design they call Civic. Since the announcement the other week, I've thought it best not to bring the subject up..yet.
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Ha yes. I did another thread on what people would buy if we couldn’t have an EU car. The alternatives (in the same price range) were pretty uninspiring.
Honda's off that list now too lol
why? It’s nothing to do with Europe, you can still buy Hyundai’s here
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Sky News breaking...
Brexit: Government to slash up to 90% of trade tariffs if UK leaves EU with no deal
http://news.sky.com/story/brexit-government-to-slash-up-to-90-of-trade-tariffs-if-uk-leaves-eu-with-no-deal-11656093
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Sky News breaking...
Brexit: Government to slash up to 90% of trade tariffs if UK leaves EU with no deal
http://news.sky.com/story/brexit-government-to-slash-up-to-90-of-trade-tariffs-if-uk-leaves-eu-with-no-deal-11656093
Political debate and insight on the forum. That’s why I love this place! :wink:
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I was being very careful not to be biased one way or the other, too 😬. Keeping it neutral here. Full on Tory mode is reserved for my Twitter account lol.
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What does it all mean?
No one has a ******* clue!
Good, eh?
(This is a non-political, non-partisan comment).
I only know that if I ran a company this way, I would be sacked.
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In the context of this post and the assumption in the event of a no deal Brexit, there would be 10% tariffs applied to cars. The headline suggests the government would abolish (or zero-rate) 90% of tariffs. However the small print indicates they would still apply to cars, to protect UK based manufacturers. So as you were.
Anyway I’m bored sh1tl355 by Brexit and I’m a political nerd! Back to cars. Mines being collected in the morning 😬
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What does it all mean?
No one has a ******* clue!
Good, eh?
(This is a non-political, non-partisan comment).
I only know that if I ran a company this way, I would be sacked.
Agreed. This uncertainty is one of the factors that swayed my thinking to change before the end of the month. How can you make a financial plan with no information? We’d all be for the high jump if we operated like this in the workplace. Don’t think we’d be in line for a 2.7% pay rise. :whistle:
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In the context of this post and the assumption in the event of a no deal Brexit, there would be 10% tariffs applied to cars. The headline suggests the government would abolish (or zero-rate) 90% of tariffs. However the small print indicates they would still apply to cars, to protect UK based manufacturers. So as you were.
Anyway I’m bored sh1tl355 by Brexit and I’m a political nerd! Back to cars. Mines being collected in the morning 😬
Good luck! That seems to have come around quickly. Be interesting to see your thoughts coming from the A3. Mines coming at weekend.
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Mines being collected in the morning 😬
Good luck, enjoy the pick-up. :smiley:
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Cheers both, I'll do a brief write-up in another thread as it will be completely off topic for this one.
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Cheers both, I'll do a brief write-up in another thread as it will be completely off topic for this one.
Looking forward to it!
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Yeah, congratulations Mutley75. I’m sure a few on here looking forward to hearing how you find the ride!
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Can I ask why people get congratulated for buying a new car? Landing a good job, or ordering a child maybe, but buying a car? We don't congratulate people when they buy a new fridge.
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But we do a house.
Can I ask the Northerners on here why they voted for Brexit? Actually, scrap that, not a good idea, forget I even asked.
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Can I ask why people get congratulated for buying a new car? Landing a good job, or ordering a child maybe, but buying a car? We don't congratulate people when they buy a new fridge.
Because it should be a happy and memorable occasion.
I picked up my new car just before Christmas. I have had the best winter I can remember. My kids were almost as excited as i was.
I have never had this feeling when buying a fridge
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But we do a house.
Can I ask the Northerners on here why they voted for Brexit? Actually, scrap that, not a good idea, forget I even asked.
I'm a northerner, well Cheshire.......and I certainly didn't vote for Brexit, nor did the Mrs. Personally I like the influences from Europe over the last 30 / 40 years.....look at the state of the U.K. in the 70s / early 80s .....we couldn't build a car then that wouldn't have rust holes in it by the end of year two.....I use cars as an example as this is a car forum
In Germany / Netherlands you can call yourself an engineer when you've got a recognised degree and become chartered ( a professional association for those that don't know) ........in the uk just about any Tom dick and Harry calls themselves an engineer.......IMO the uk has got a long way to go and Brexit IMO will set the uk back a decade.......but hey the great British public voted :rolleyes:
Well that's the touch paper lit.......
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But we do a house.
Who does? Maybe congratulations are in order if you sell your old one for good money when you thought no one would want to buy it.
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But we do a house.
Who does? Maybe congratulations are in order if you sell your old one for good money when you thought no one would want to buy it.
I think traditionally people send a card to say congratulations on your new home.
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But we do a house.
Who does? Maybe congratulations are in order if you sell your old one for good money when you thought no one would want to buy it.
I think traditionally people send a card to say congratulations on your new home.
dubber36 clearly woke up this morning and decided to go on a bit of a wind up... :rolleyes:
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OK, maybe we do get cards when we move into a new house, but a car? I genuinely don't see what's been achieved to deserve congratulations.
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Agreed, don't think I've ever said congrats to any mates on their new car purchase. But if someone has picked one up and posts on here I'd always say Enjoy :smiley:
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Someone buys a £30k car and you don’t think it’s worthy of congratulations?
And a car as iconic as the golf gti!
I blame low interest rates - cheap finance in recent years has made car buying a relatively trivial event.
I can remember my dad buying a new vw jetta in 1983, how my neighbours came round to enjoy the occasion.
The car stayed in the family for 18 years.
Ah well, times change.
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Yusee - cheap credit and keeping up with the Jones' I guess, in general. I've only had 4 cars in 30 years with a combined mileage of about 500k - all from new/nearly new, all petrol and driven to destruction :)
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Someone buys a £30k car and you don’t think it’s worthy of congratulations?
The mention of the price about sums the whole thing up.
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Perhaps people just want to be polite. I know it’s old fashioned but there you go.
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I don't think it's about politeness. Politeness is about saying please and thank you, or holding a door open for someone. Or perhaps I am being impolite by not understanding that many people these days need a 'like' for whatever they do.
I can be genuinely happy for someone who is excited about getting a new car. We've all had that new car feeling at some point, but I don't think it warrants congratulations. As I said earlier, they should be reserved for achievements.
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I would say I disagree. But that would be impolite. :wink:
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It's not impolite to voice an opinion. Or it certainly didn't used to be.
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My attempts at humour have failed again.
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But we do a house.
Can I ask the Northerners on here why they voted for Brexit? Actually, scrap that, not a good idea, forget I even asked.
Do you think all northerners voted for Brexit??
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But we do a house.
Can I ask the Northerners on here why they voted for Brexit? Actually, scrap that, not a good idea, forget I even asked.
Do you think all northerners voted for Brexit??
Assume he hasn’t seen the Remain/leave map of the UK :rolleyes:
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But we do a house.
Can I ask the Northerners on here why they voted for Brexit? Actually, scrap that, not a good idea, forget I even asked.
Do you think all northerners voted for Brexit??
Assume he hasn’t seen the Remain/leave map of the UK :rolleyes:
This is a good map. It shows just how much of the country actually voted for Brexit outside of Scotland and London. A sea of blue.
The remain vote was boosted by the very high density of voters in London. Had the vote been by parliamentary constituency, it would have been a landslide for leave with a 300+ majority.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2016/jun/23/eu-referendum-live-results-and-analysis
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And to think the entire referendum was based on lies and scare mongering (from both sides)!!
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We have enough Breggsit nonsense elsewhere in the media - can we not declare golfgtiforum 'brexit free' other than the thread topic of '10% surcharge' and similar motoring related elements?
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We have enough Breggsit nonsense elsewhere in the media - can we not declare golfgtiforum 'brexit free' other than the thread topic of '10% surcharge' and similar motoring related elements?
Yeah great call ..........mind you no one on this forum will have voted for Brexit would they........I mean buying a non uk made car would not even be part of a Brexiters thought process would it :grin: :laugh: