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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Jim_mk7.5 on 18 February 2019, 16:24
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So VW are bringing out a T-Roc R with the full 306bhp... Good on them, I do like the look of the T-Roc so imagine the final product will be great. Sure the SUV/crossover haters will be pleased! :grin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFrJv0ZelYI
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Been driving a 1.0 115 T-Roc as a courtesy car for 2 weeks now. Apart from the bigger boot which again is not that much bigger (and for sure the MK8 will close that gap considerably), it's a small car for how big it looks from the outside. More like a raised Polo. Where this is particularly obvious is the rear seats space where there is clearly less leg-room than in a Golf, meaning bulky child seats will take a toll on the front passenger's space/comfort. I imagine things will only be worse in that aspect with the addition of 4Motion on the R variant. There's also the question of if and by how much the cheap plastics will be upgraded on the R version.
Tiguan R will be the proper R alternative imo.
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Think it feels like a raised Polo because it’s based on a Polo and it’s raised... :grin:
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Good to see it has blue dial needles in the digi display unlike the crap effort the current Golf R has to put up with. Small details can make a big difference.
I’ve been driving my son’s Ibiza TSI 115 today, same chassis and basic dash architecture as the T-Roc, and you don’t notice the cheaper plastics when you’re on the move. The interior feels damned near as big as my Golf’s and the boot actually seems bigger.
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I'm thinking of looking at a Seat Leon Cupra 290 dsg to replace the golf GTi pp I've got at the minute. Not really looking the look of the mk8 and it's going to cost a fortune for only 232bhp apparently.
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Think it feels like a raised Polo because it’s based on a Polo and it’s raised... :grin:
(https://media.giphy.com/media/26BRDHKnjgXuhjlde/giphy.gif)
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I’ve been driving my son’s Ibiza TSI 115 today, same chassis and basic dash architecture as the T-Roc, and you don’t notice the cheaper plastics when you’re on the move. The interior feels damned near as big as my Golf’s and the boot actually seems bigger.
You don't? First thing that struck me was how cheap the door handles felt as well as some bits of the center console. On a base trim Polo or Ibiza it's fine, but on a 30-35K T-Roc definitely not, at least for me. Interior feels like a Golf from the driver's seat but as soon as you need to make use of the rear space you realize pretty quickly it's smaller. Boot is definitely bigger.
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Two things fundamentally wrong with the T-Roc that put me off it, scanesare has mentioned them both. The cheap interior, and the lack of space in the back.
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There’s also the question of if and by how much the cheap plastics will be upgraded on the R version.
Two things fundamentally wrong with the T-Roc that put me off it, scanesare has mentioned them both. The cheap interior, and the lack of space in the back.
And I doubt that an R version would get soft feel plastics to instead of the hard scratchy plastics in all the other models. AFAIK, historically VW have fitted the same quality plastics to all trim levels of a vehicle model, so don’t see why they’d make an exception for a T-Roc R.
Think it feels like a raised Polo because it’s based on a Polo and it’s raised... :grin:
I thought the SUV version of the Polo was the forthcoming T-Cross; the T-Roc fits into the segment above.
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No I can't see them upgrading the dash plastics just for the R either. They might do something to give the seats a sense of occasion though.
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T ROC Is based on the Golf Leon and A3 platform...
looks good plastic are crap , But imo there big and comfy cars
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T ROC Is based on the Golf Leon and A3 platform...
looks good plastic are crap , But imo there big and comfy cars
That is not accurate. By "Golf/Leon/A3 platform" you mean the MQB platform but that is actually a group of different sub-platforms rather than one identical base that would indicate being the same car underneath. Otherwise one could state that the Seat Ibiza (MQB) is based on the Skoda Kodiaq (which is also MQB) and vice versa.
The T-Roc, Polo, Ibiza and Arona in particular, are based on the MQB A0 sub-platform which is the smallest MQB variant I think, and that is why all four of them offer identical cabin space as I believe the wheelbase is fixed but what goes before and after it (like engine bay and boot length) is variable.
Golf/Leon/A3 are the next "MQB size" and then Passat/Superb/Kodiaq are a further size up. All of the aforementioned cars are MQB based and have items in common, but size wise they are parts of different groups.
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I'd sorry but id have to disagree, it is the MQB platform the same as the golf
It doesn't matter just what I was informed and after research im standing by
The car is definitely as big as a golf as well as many other factors anyway
Let's see what the R can do. Looks great
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I'd sorry but id have to disagree, it is the MQB platform the same as the golf
It doesn't matter just what I was informed and after research im standing by
The car is definitely as big as a golf as well as many other factors anyway
Let's see what the R can do. Looks great
What amazes me is not someone being wrong, we can all be at times, but the ease at which you seem to have disregarded an actual technical explanation like the one I provided above, only to reply quickly "no trust me I've done research and it says MQB so I'm right", without citing any source (of-course). FYI, I have already written T-Roc is based on MQB (the A0 variant) above so not sure you understand what you're disagreeing with here.
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T-Roc isn't Polo based, it's on the MQB A1 platform, same as the Golf. See here from 3 mins 35 onwards;-
https://youtu.be/x4GAQMWoS6o
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Either way, it's still an elevated small car with little space in it to qualify the 'Utility' part of SUV. If they were to make an R version of any SUV, it should have been the Tiguan, or better still the Touareg, with a V8 in it.
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T-Roc isn't Polo based, it's on the MQB A1 platform, same as the Golf. See here from 3 mins 35 onwards;-
https://youtu.be/x4GAQMWoS6o
Forthcoming T-Cross is the Polo based SUV (built on the MQB A0 platform);
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9m9Z994vLgw
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I'd sorry but id have to disagree, it is the MQB platform the same as the golf
It doesn't matter just what I was informed and after research im standing by
The car is definitely as big as a golf as well as many other factors anyway
Let's see what the R can do. Looks great
What amazes me is not someone being wrong, we can all be at times, but the ease at which you seem to have disregarded an actual technical explanation like the one I provided above, only to reply quickly "no trust me I've done research and it says MQB so I'm right", without citing any source (of-course). FYI, I have already written T-Roc is based on MQB (the A0 variant) above so not sure you understand what you're disagreeing with here.
It's based on the A1 platform not A0 👍✌ thats what.. seriously I dont care. I nearly bought one bit didnt due to wanting more performance. If you think your right thats fine It kinda doesn't matter
I wont comment on here again... 😯
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Either way, it's still an elevated small car with little space in it to qualify the 'Utility' part of SUV. If they were to make an R version of any SUV, it should have been the Tiguan, or better still the Touareg, with a V8 in it.
Yup, whatever platform it’s built on, the t-roc offers absolutely nothing more than a Golf and it’s significantly more expensive. You have to take your hat off to these car companies who are selling the same (or worse) product for so much more, I mean, have people seen the cost of the new X3M, it’s £78k before options a full £25k more than the outgoing M3!!!!
As long as mugs keep buying these cars then the manufacturers will keep building them. :huh:
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T-Roc isn't Polo based, it's on the MQB A1 platform, same as the Golf. See here from 3 mins 35 onwards;-
https://youtu.be/x4GAQMWoS6o
Good find - funny how because of the interior look and exterior size, I assumed it was Polo based..
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The Autogefuhl vid posted above is the first source I have ever seen stating specifically MQB A1 for the T-Roc and if there's more I'd love to see them too but here's just a few links where MQB A0 is stated instead, which is what I have only ever come across since its launch:
https://www.carscoops.com/2018/07/volkswagen-t-cross-simply-small-usa-canada/ (https://www.carscoops.com/2018/07/volkswagen-t-cross-simply-small-usa-canada/)
https://www.motor1.com/news/269630/skoda-small-suv-report/ (https://www.motor1.com/news/269630/skoda-small-suv-report/)
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/2018-volkswagen-t-roc-is-big-bold-and-comes-with-190-hp-engines-119925.html (https://www.autoevolution.com/news/2018-volkswagen-t-roc-is-big-bold-and-comes-with-190-hp-engines-119925.html)
So, clearly someone is wrong here and I have no problem admitting it could be myself (based on all the MQB A0 articles out there) but honestly, no car magazine/reviewer I am aware of is particularly trustworthy, even the bigger names like AutoExpress and EVO have repeatedly screwed up specs and technical info so make whatever you want from this "information" they bring to us.
Regarding the real cabin space and the leg-room: As a Golf owner who uses the rear seats on an almost daily basis for 2.5 years now, it was immediately obvious to me the T-Roc leg-room is less than in the Golf. Setting the driver's seat where I usually do the rear passenger's knees behind me are actually touching the back of the seat (not the case in the Golf) and fitting the child seat on the exact same position as in the Golf resulted in the front passenger seat being at an almost uncomfortable position.
You're welcome to disregard my findings of-course but they add up perfectly when you check the rear cabin distances as annotated by VW themselves in the brochure, where you can see that the "front seat to back seat" distance is 17mm less in the T-Roc (not huge, but it can make the difference between knees touching the seat's back or not). Wheelbase is also significantly smaller: Golf 2637mm, T-Roc 2590mm, an almost 5cm difference.
So is it A0 or A1 doesn't even matter in the end as the numbers alone show that the T-Roc is a little bit smaller car than the Golf rear cabin wise, which is one important factor when choosing a family car.
(https://i.imgur.com/Q1R7Rjx.png)
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You're welcome to disregard my findings
You're not wrong. The sizing of these SUV's is all out of kilter. Due to the branding/naming conventions people assume they are the equivalent. The T-Roc is smaller than the Golf on many practical levels to get Golf levels of practical space you have to get the Tiguan.
All these SUV's simply sit higher, have less boot depth(the length of the opening lip to the back of the back seats) but have a higher roof line so a taller boot...
T-Cross - somewhere between an Up and Polo.
T-Roc - somewhere between a Polo and Golf.
Tiguan - somewhere around the Golf.
Toerag - somewhere around the Passat.
Q2 - somewhere between an A1 and A3.
Q3 - somewhere near the A3.
Q5 - somewhere between A3 and A4.
Q7- around the A6/A7.
... anybody who has (or had) young kids will know that buying a car on boot size and rear leg room is the first thing you consider, and this is my findings.
That's before you throw in other brands and models. The Macan for example is smaller in usable practical space than Q5 but bigger than a Q3.
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You're welcome to disregard my findings
You're not wrong. The sizing of these SUV's is all out of kilter. Due to the branding/naming conventions people assume they are the equivalent. The T-Roc is smaller than the Golf on many practical levels to get Golf levels of practical space you have to get the Tiguan.
All these SUV's simply sit higher, have less boot depth but have a higher roof line so a taller boot...
T-Cross - somewhere between an Up and Polo.
T-Roc - somewhere between a Polo and Golf.
Tiguan - somewhere around the Golf.
Toerag - somewhere around the Passat.
Q2 - somewhere between an A1 and A3.
Q3 - somewhere near the A3.
Q5 - somewhere between A3 and A4.
Q7- around the A6/A7.
... anybody who has (or had) young kids will know that buying a car on boot size and rear leg room is the first thing you consider, and this is my findings.
That's before you throw in other brands and models. The Macan for example is smaller in usable practical space than Q5 but bigger than a Q3.
That was exactly my point. MQB is a highly customizable system rather than a platform and as such, bringing it to the discussion as a space argument is invalid as it offers nearly zero information on what the practicalities look like and on how each particular implementation was made. Even if everybody else was wrong and Autogefuhl was right on the A1 vs A0 argument, see how clear it is that the T-Roc's rear cabin is smaller than the Golf, and that's what matters.
Looking at the official dimensions as stated in the manuals and brochures and also checking the cars out yourself gives you all the actual information you need to make a decision. I remember when we were in search of the next car after the Clubsport I was so convinced by the Tiguan's exterior dimensions that it would be a significant step up in space from the Golf but getting in one and checking the space we were both underwhelmed by our findings. Apart from the higher roof and bigger boot space it isn't such a bigger car to be honest.
I totally agree with you on the boot height point. Golf: 380lt, T-Roc: 445lt yet when I tried to fit 4x 19" wheels side by side in the T-Roc, I still had to drop the rear seats slightly forward, same as I had to do in the Golf as they would simply not fit otherwise. The extra height from which the extra boot lt was calculated was of no particular use in that case, width and length were identical.
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So a T-Roc R will be £35k ish for sure without all the options....
Or this......... £24.5k brand new!
(https://i.postimg.cc/2yLp5wk4/Screenshot-2019-02-21-at-12-51-06.png) (https://postimages.org/)
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201812012904947?aggregatedTrim=Cupra&sort=sponsored&postcode=s37bh&year-from=2017&make=SEAT&advertising-location=at_cars&radius=1500&model=LEON&transmission=Automatic&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&page=2&modal=photos
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Tiguan - somewhere around the Golf.
Toerag - somewhere around the Passat.
The Tiguan is quite a bit bigger than the Golf. Rear legroom is better than my old B7 Passat, plus I can fit a road bike complete with both wheels still fitted in the boot with the seats folded, just as I could in the Passat, but got nowhere close in the Golf. The Touareg is much bigger again than the Passat.
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Tiguan - somewhere around the Golf.
Toerag - somewhere around the Passat.
The Tiguan is quite a bit bigger than the Golf. Rear legroom is better than my old B7 Passat, plus I can fit a road bike complete with both wheels still fitted in the boot with the seats folded, just as I could in the Passat, but got nowhere close in the Golf. The Touareg is much bigger again than the Passat.
Agree with this. The Tiguan I sat in at my local dealers felt quite a bit bigger inside than my Golf, and rear legroom was comparable to my Octavia.
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The Autogefuhl vid posted above is the first source I have ever seen stating specifically MQB A1 for the T-Roc and if there's more I'd love to see them too but here's just a few links where MQB A0 is stated instead, which is what I have only ever come across since its launch:
https://www.carscoops.com/2018/07/volkswagen-t-cross-simply-small-usa-canada/ (https://www.carscoops.com/2018/07/volkswagen-t-cross-simply-small-usa-canada/)
https://www.motor1.com/news/269630/skoda-small-suv-report/ (https://www.motor1.com/news/269630/skoda-small-suv-report/)
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/2018-volkswagen-t-roc-is-big-bold-and-comes-with-190-hp-engines-119925.html (https://www.autoevolution.com/news/2018-volkswagen-t-roc-is-big-bold-and-comes-with-190-hp-engines-119925.html)
So, clearly someone is wrong here and I have no problem admitting it could be myself (based on all the MQB A0 articles out there) but honestly, no car magazine/reviewer I am aware of is particularly trustworthy, even the bigger names like AutoExpress and EVO have repeatedly screwed up specs and technical info so make whatever you want from this "information" they bring to us.
Regarding the real cabin space and the leg-room: As a Golf owner who uses the rear seats on an almost daily basis for 2.5 years now, it was immediately obvious to me the T-Roc leg-room is less than in the Golf. Setting the driver's seat where I usually do the rear passenger's knees behind me are actually touching the back of the seat (not the case in the Golf) and fitting the child seat on the exact same position as in the Golf resulted in the front passenger seat being at an almost uncomfortable position.
You're welcome to disregard my findings of-course but they add up perfectly when you check the rear cabin distances as annotated by VW themselves in the brochure, where you can see that the "front seat to back seat" distance is 17mm less in the T-Roc (not huge, but it can make the difference between knees touching the seat's back or not). Wheelbase is also significantly smaller: Golf 2637mm, T-Roc 2590mm, an almost 5cm difference.
So is it A0 or A1 doesn't even matter in the end as the numbers alone show that the T-Roc is a little bit smaller car than the Golf rear cabin wise, which is one important factor when choosing a family car.
(https://i.imgur.com/Q1R7Rjx.png)
The first of those articles is about the T-Cross, not the T-Roc. The T-Cross is indeed Polo based.
The second of those articles is about the forthcoming Skoda Kamiq, and does acknowledge that it's bigger than the T-Roc that 'competes in a segment above'. That isn't as odd as it first sounds though, given that the Skoda Scala is also A0 based, yet is longer than the A1 based Golf.
The third article, dunno!?!
But here is another video that states that the T-Roc is Golf based
https://youtu.be/v90tTV74QZE
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Either way, it's still an elevated small car with little space in it to qualify the 'Utility' part of SUV. If they were to make an R version of any SUV, it should have been the Tiguan, or better still the Touareg, with a V8 in it.
Yup, whatever platform it’s built on, the t-roc offers absolutely nothing more than a Golf and it’s significantly more expensive. You have to take your hat off to these car companies who are selling the same (or worse) product for so much more, I mean, have people seen the cost of the new X3M, it’s £78k before options a full £25k more than the outgoing M3!!!!
As long as mugs keep buying these cars then the manufacturers will keep building them. :huh:
The T-Roc isn't that much more than a Golf. In some cases, the difference is less than a grand, and even that difference is swallowed up by the additional standard equipment on the T-Roc. The T-Roc is built to a price though, which partly explains the budget interior. It's the 4-motion variants where you seem to pay the biggest premium, but those versions are at least pretty well specced.
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Here is it.... Finished:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYcKYDOSEQ0
Observations - No hydraulic hinges for the bonnet, no heated seats but nice new design, AID nicer with full map, no climate control.
Wonder how much UK price will be as supposed to slightly less than the Golf R, not sure there's a real benefit?
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Looks like a new bigger screen version of the basic nav (8" widescreen) but no option for NavPro (which would drive the AID and the MIB maps at the same time)
Why on earth make climate control an option on a top end R model? That's just stupid penny pinching!
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That’s a LHD model though, so not UK spec.
The UK spec may include such items as climate control as standard.
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Do the German not like climate control or heated seats? Would have thought those 2 items would be standard on a R model what ever country it was sold in.
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That’s a LHD model though, so not UK spec.
The UK spec may include such items as climate control as standard.
Nicely pointed out.
The R-line has climate control and heated seats as standard so I would bet 50p that the R will come with those too.
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Do the German not like climate control or heated seats? Would have thought those 2 items would be standard on a R model what ever country it was sold in.
UK cars always get a much higher spec than their EU counterparts.
For example where as the UK get it as standard, on a Golf R in Germany you have to pay for...
Active Info Display - 510€
App-Connect - 205€
ACC - 320€
Discover Nav - 565€
DAB Radio - 245€
Electric folding/heated mirrors - 180€
60% Tint rear windows - 270€
Space saving spare wheel - 105€
Bluetooth - 205€
Front Assist - 155€
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It also is probably 10,000 euros cheaper :D
Lets not make out that VW UK are necessarily doing you a favour, they are just bundling options that maybe you wouldn't select otherwise if you had to pay for them!
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It also is probably 10,000 euros cheaper :D
Lets not make out that VW UK are necessarily doing you a favour, they are just bundling options that maybe you wouldn't select otherwise if you had to pay for them!
R DSG with no options in a free colour is €43,925....!!!
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It's only really the high end models where VW UK push the boat out on spec. If you look at something like a GT or R Line Golf, the standard UK spec is really not that generous over EU cars. With the exception of nav, it's just small things like drive mode select and App Connect that are included.