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Title: Winter tyres: 2wd vs 4wd
Post by: Ryan90GTI on 21 November 2018, 10:27
Found a new video on YouTube that will be of interest to most people on here, especially the Golf R owners who think they don't need winter tyres because they have 4WD.

https://youtu.be/atayHQYqA3g
Title: Re: Winter tyres: 2wd vs 4wd
Post by: Watts on 21 November 2018, 14:58
Oh no :rolleyes: This subject has been covered extensively and can get a bit tetchy....

I'll get my kettle on, break out the big bag of crisps and settle back.....
Title: Re: Winter tyres: 2wd vs 4wd
Post by: Golf_GT_TDI on 21 November 2018, 16:59
4wd will help get you moving but you still need to change direction and stop, myself and my father have had Conti winters on fwd's and they have been amazing.
My father's Audi Allroad was very impressive that would literally go anywhere.

Still if you have sheet ice only studded tyres will help with that.
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Post by: dubber36 on 21 November 2018, 17:43
Winters have gone on my Amarok today. Hopefully I'll be OK.
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Post by: CocoPops on 21 November 2018, 21:52
Winters fitted this weekend just gone.
The amount of “4wd” I’ve driven round in my fwd car on winters, I’ve lost count.
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Post by: MrJollygood on 22 November 2018, 20:26
What tyres did you go for Coco?

Greig
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Post by: brettblade on 23 November 2018, 14:02
Weds 28th is my changeover date this year.  Hankook i'cept Evo 2s on my Golf, and Kumho WinterCraft on my daily Megane.  2016 was the first year I'd used winter tyres, and I'm a total convert.
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Post by: CocoPops on 23 November 2018, 18:29
What tyres did you go for Coco?

Greig
Pirelli Sottozero 3.
Same size as normal.
£100/corner.
Title: Re: Winter tyres: 2wd vs 4wd
Post by: Daz Auto on 22 December 2018, 10:55
Just had 4 winter tyres fitted - Verdestein Wintrac Pro. I hope I don’t regret choosing theses over the Continental TS850 P. My wife has the standard TS850 on her A3 and they are a great tyre even in a warm spell.

When my car was in getting serviced last week they reported that the front PS4 tyres were 3mm on the outside, but only 1mm in the middle. This wear indicates that the tyre pressure was too high. I have always followed the manufactures recommendations on tyre pressure, but obviously 38 psi on the Mk7.5 door sticker is too high for the PS4.

Now I’m wondering what pressure I should be running my tyres at. Do the tyre manufacturers have recommended pressures for their tyres?

Title: Re: Winter tyres: 2wd vs 4wd
Post by: mcmaddy on 22 December 2018, 11:00
I'm yet to find a comfortable pressure on the PS4. Had them on about 6 weeks now and the car either feels skippy or feels like the tyres are flat. Never had any problem with the Bridgestones. I'm currently using the recommended 36psi but the steering feels way to light in corners to the point where I have absolutely no feel or feedback at all.
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Post by: Daz Auto on 22 December 2018, 12:15
When the winter tyres were fitted to the A3 my wife said the car wasn’t driving right. I checked and the tyres were all over inflated by 5 psi. Set them to 32/29 as per the door sticker and the car was fine.

I know my winter tyres are going to feel less direct than the summer tyres and I will have to adjust my driving accordingly. That’s part of the reason I wanted to try the Verdestein. They tested well in dry conditions. So I’m hoping they won’t feel too bad.

The one thing I have noticed is how much quieter the car is. With the Michelin tyres it sounded like there was a hair dryer going, under my seat.



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Post by: mcmaddy on 22 December 2018, 12:29
I'm still really tempted by the Bridgestones A005s.
Title: Re: Winter tyres: 2wd vs 4wd
Post by: Daz Auto on 22 December 2018, 13:42
Personally, I want the best tyres for the conditions. I just think All Season tyres are a compromise, especially on a car like my GTI. Though even on our 1.6 TDI A3 I still want the safest option for my wife to drive, especially in the winter.

An All season tyre is not going to give the best handling for summer driving or the best safety for winter driving.

We have not had any snow yet, but there has been 5 or 6 frosty mornings. There are a few videos on YouTube which show that a full winter tyre performs significantly better on ice.

For reference, the Michelin PS4 tyres on the front of my car did 18k miles. Though I do wonder would they have performed even better and lasted longer at a lower PSI. :undecided:

I doubt if I would buy the PS4 again because of the noise they produce.

I have the OEM Bridgestone in the garage to use as my summer tyres. It’s going to be a long time before I need any new tyres as I currently own 10 good tyres  :rolleyes: :laugh:

How many miles should I expect to get from the Bridgestone tyres?
Title: Re: Winter tyres: 2wd vs 4wd
Post by: mcmaddy on 22 December 2018, 14:48
I got 17k from the factory Bridgestones and the rears still had 5mm left on them. The Bridgestone A005 is officially classed as a winter tyre even though it's all season, it's got the snowflake symbol on it. I won't be using PS4s again either when they are done.
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Post by: Ryan90GTI on 22 December 2018, 15:23
I've really liked the PS4. One of the best tyres I've used.
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Post by: mcmaddy on 22 December 2018, 16:24
What pressures are you running and is it mk7 or 7.5?
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Post by: Ryan90GTI on 22 December 2018, 22:55
MK7 225/50/18 - running 34psi
Title: Re: Winter tyres: 2wd vs 4wd
Post by: Daz Auto on 23 December 2018, 00:33
I've been doing a little more research on tyre pressure.

The Kwik Fit website says the correct tyre pressure for my car is 35 psi. This is 3 psi less than VW recommend.

I double checked the door sticker. It definitely says 38 psi. It also says 41 psi :shocked: for M+S tyres i.e. winter tyres.

My Michelin tyres were worn in the centre - so obviously overinflated. It appears that VW think my winter tyres should be at 41 psi :undecided:

I checked the door sticker on our Audi A3 - it recommends 32/29 (front and rear) for the 16 inch summer tyres and 35/32 for winter tyres. For 18 inch summer tyres it recommends 35/32 and for winter tyres 36/33.

I'm really confused now! :huh:
Title: Re: Winter tyres: 2wd vs 4wd
Post by: SRGTD on 23 December 2018, 07:36
Maybe VW set their recommended tyre pressures at the ‘high end’ to help reduce rolling resistance and improve fuel economy? If so, I wouldn’t have thought any potential mpg gains would be that significant.
Title: Re: Winter tyres: 2wd vs 4wd
Post by: mcmaddy on 23 December 2018, 08:41
For the mk7 GTi it's 36psi all round. It wasn't until the FL that VW started with the weird increase in pressures. In theory it shouldn't matter what tyre you use, you should always go by the recommended pressure but in practice as we are finding that's not the case.
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Post by: Davey-c on 23 December 2018, 10:05
My 5 door DSG Clubsport sticker says 38 psi all round for 18 inch Bridgestone tyres.
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Post by: Daz Auto on 23 December 2018, 10:15
Thanks guys.

Slightly back on topic - I have decided to run my winter tyres at 38 PSI until I have more information.

May be I should start a new thread on this subject.
Title: Re: Winter tyres: 2wd vs 4wd
Post by: Ryan90GTI on 23 December 2018, 11:04
For the mk7 GTi it's 36psi all round. It wasn't until the FL that VW started with the weird increase in pressures. In theory it shouldn't matter what tyre you use, you should always go by the recommended pressure but in practice as we are finding that's not the case.

Mines pre FL and the sticker says 38psi all round which imo is way too high.
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Post by: mcmaddy on 23 December 2018, 14:35
What year is yours Ryan? Mines a December 16 PP and it's got 36psi on the door card. Do you not find 34 a bit squishy??
Title: Re: Winter tyres: 2wd vs 4wd
Post by: Ryan90GTI on 23 December 2018, 22:07
It's a 2016 model first registered in late 2015. I'll have to double check when I'm next in the GTi but pretty sure it was 38psi all round on the sticker because I remember the tyre fitter mention it was a tad high when I put my Belvedere alloys on the other month.
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Post by: Golf_GT_TDI on 25 December 2018, 09:01
Love the PS4, I run 36psi  :wink: