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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: saltire on 22 August 2018, 10:23
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So as there's no manual option anymore this will be our first non-manual car - ever! We had a short test drive first with a DSG before ordering to check it out, and surprised ourselves as we both found it much better than we were expecting. However, an hour's test drive doesn't really tell you much and think it was with a 6-speed whereas the GTI Perf we've ordered has a 7-speed I think.
So from doing a bit of searching and it seems the main points are in D there is a bit of a lag pulling away, and in S it's too revvy around town - is that about right? Does that apply to both the 6 and 7 speed boxes? I came across a few threads on the DTUK Pedal Box, which sounds like an ideal mod that also won't affect warranty - is it worth it and should I fit it straight away, or should we do some miles without it first? Anything else to be aware of?
Sorry as this has no doubt been covered before umpteen times, but I'd really appreciate feedback from you folks and especially if you've recently gone from having all manuals to your first DSG box. Thanks.
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There aren't any significant differences between the two 'boxes, at least in the aspects that you write about so you shouldn't expect any big surprises. Yes there's a slight lag of pulling away, had this in all 3 different DSG boxes I've driven but you learn to anticipate it and S (at least stock) is practically useless, even more around town as it needlessly holds each gear for too long.
After 8 years of DSG driving, I only drive in D when I'm commuting during rush hour and know there is no point in trying to enjoy the car. Any other occasion or time of day i stick it in manual, mostly using the paddles but occasionally the stick as well for old times sake and enjoy.
Being your first semi auto it will feel a little weird at first but give it time and don't be afraid to learn Manual mode and you will most probably love it. Forget that: You do have to drive the car in manual mode also, otherwise you are not experiencing what it has to offer to you if left in auto all the time. The beauty of the DSG and what most manual transmission fanatics ignore is the control it gives you over the car and how to use the engine's torque to your preference the exact same way you would do in a manual car (you could even keep the old habbit of resting your right hand on the gear level all the time - i know some people do). It's not hard or complicated and you can't break anything or do something very wrong as the 'box will protect itself from mis-shifts. Just push the lever to the left and off you go. Now you decide about everything just like in a manual car. Want to hold on to a gear for that bit longer in order to help acceleration? Sure, the car will let you do that up to the rev limiter if you like. Upshift early as you want to settle to a fixed speed and low rpm asap? Just flick the right paddle or push the stick forward briefly. Use the engine to brake? No problem. In fact the only thing that's different between a DSG's manual operation with the stick vs a MT is that you don't move the stick around in an H pattern but rather forward and backward but that's hardly what creates the so called "involvement" with the car is it? It's about controlling and using the engine's output to your exact preference and you can perfectly keep doing that with a DSG.
The pedal box is not related to the gearbox, it's the way VW maps the throttle on its cars, even performance models. It's a very significant improvement, especially once you try it on, but I'd say learn your car first, especially the DSG being new to you and you can at any point decide to go for it.
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So as there's no manual option anymore this will be our first non-manual car - ever!
Knew they'd discontinued the manual R's and GTD's, but when did VW stop producing manual GTi's?
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So as there's no manual option anymore this will be our first non-manual car - ever!
Knew they'd discontinued the manual R's and GTD's, but when did VW stop producing manual GTi's?
They haven’t as far as I’m aware. In the latest price list the 2019 MY GTI PP is available with either manual or DSG transmission, and both manual and DSG transmission options are on the configurator on VW’s website.
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Knew they'd discontinued the manual R's and GTD's, but when did VW stop producing manual GTi's?
They haven’t as far as I’m aware. In the latest price list the 2019 MY GTI PP is available with either manual or DSG transmission, and both manual and DSG transmission options are on the configurator on VW’s website.
Thanks for replies. Hmm, ok seems I need to go back to dealer then as one of us has this mixed up. We also went through a GTI (non-PP) and an R as options, but were told VW not taking any more factory orders for the non-PP so that was off the table pretty quickly. Entirely possible I misunderstood he meant DSG only for R and not the GTI PP as well.
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I've noticed a really big difference between the 230 model with 6 speed and my current 245 model with 7 speed.
The 7 speed is much more drivable in S and seems to adapt much more to your throttle input. If you pull away in S normally it will quickly move to S2 where as my previous Mk7.5 230 held on for dear life to S1.
Leaving it in D suits most occasions though and just pop into S when the road allows. Or slide across to Manual and take control yourself.
Can't comment on a Pedalbox as don't have that modification.
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Sounds good, thanks. Need to wait until dealer gets back to me now on the manual/DSG choice - at least I might have a choice after all which is good.
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Can the pedal box be fitted to a new car on taking delivery or, does the car need to be run in first?
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All it does it adjust the way the movement of the pedal is changed into GO.
Some cars have a 'sport' button that does exactly the same.
No performance change/increase/improvement is occurring.
In the oldun days, the throttle pedal was attached by a physical wire. Now, it's like a button on your PlayStation controller.
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Can the pedal box be fitted to a new car on taking delivery or, does the car need to be run in first?
Drive the car first without a pedal box. Then get one. Then drive it for a week. Then switch it off for a day. Then switch it back on. And leave it on.
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I came to my first dsg in April and got say I love it. I could not imagine driving a manual again. You do need to adjust your driving style to suit the box but that is no big deal. The only complaint I would have is like people have already said is when you pull away from junctions etc there is a lag in D. That is because it changes from first to second far to quickly. Not a problem 95% of the time. I have learnt that if I am pulling out of a busy junction then I touch the lever to put it into S. Then it pulls away like **** off a stick and puts a big smile on your face. Then drop it back into D to regain composure. :smiley:
You will not regret getting it.