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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: scanesare on 05 December 2017, 15:30
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Has anyone had experience with those wheels yet? Apparently they are pretty new to the market and only offering 3 wheel designs, each one in several finishes, but I've been after a reasonably priced 19" wheel to resemble the Pretorias' look (don't like deviating much from OEM looks) for quite some time without any luck (it would have to be either super expensive or cheap heavy replicas) and suddenly I come across these and I think they look amazing:
https://v1-wheels.de/4/Felgen/V1-SW%2B-%28Schwarz-Glanz-Lackiert-Gr%C3%B6%C3%9Fe-18Zoll%2810%2C40Kg%29-ET-ET35 (https://v1-wheels.de/4/Felgen/V1-SW%2B-%28Schwarz-Glanz-Lackiert-Gr%C3%B6%C3%9Fe-18Zoll%2810%2C40Kg%29-ET-ET35)
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/e9kAAOSw9DVZr15M/s-l1600.jpg)
They are a German manufacturer and wheels are TUV approved so quality shouldn't be bad at all, and while 10.8kg for a 19" is not featherweight, it's still much better than every ebay knock-off as well as several entry and mid-level wheels currently on offer. What makes it crazy is their price though. I don't know if that's because they are new and unknown in the wheel scene but 668 eur + shipping sounds less than I would ever hope for. For what was up to now just my wheel budget (1200-1400 eur) I can get a set of those AND and some sticky PS4S in 235/35/19!
Some photos of them on a 7.5 GTI:
(https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/18954918_235267530292102_544983609007820644_o.jpg?oh=91b40643b510a48b0d8c303b10ab3ae1&oe=5AC71549)
(https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/19055624_235267566958765_6835625196882837933_o.jpg?oh=0d68cb4bfc5715b6329684a1ccb3ce1a&oe=5AC90743)
Some presentation video of them (in German): https://youtu.be/i9NtlZbz2_A (https://youtu.be/i9NtlZbz2_A)
Unless something negative comes up about them I can say I'm relieved that my "if not Pretorias what else" journey has come to an end finally. Just a few months too early though...
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Funny actually, when i saw just the wheels in the photo I was about to ask when you were open for selling narcotics...
Then on the car itself, I think those look quite OEM, especially with the VW logo'ed hub cover.
My one concern would be if the spokes came out wide of the tyre wall - my mate had some he bought for his SEAT and they got f'ed up real quick on curbs...
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I think they look great fitted to that GTI :grin:
Right you've got my attention, I don't want to be the Guiny pig so I'll look forward to seeing pics if you get them lol
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Look very good and I see they do a Daytona grey colour too.
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They look great
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Funny actually, when i saw just the wheels in the photo I was about to ask when you were open for selling narcotics...
Then on the car itself, I think those look quite OEM, especially with the VW logo'ed hub cover.
My one concern would be if the spokes came out wide of the tyre wall - my mate had some he bought for his SEAT and they got f'ed up real quick on curbs...
Lol, me I think the same when I see 90% tint front and back :grin: But as you say, I think those wheels (and with the VW caps on) look so much OEM that make a great choice for anyone wanting to stick to that. From a side view the spokes don't look to come out of the tyre wall:
(https://scontent.fgse1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16113999_164800874005435_8892436668671808312_n.jpg?oh=1ceb6ca1862462255d277ed6e26d56f5&oe=5AD68C21)
I think they look great fitted to that GTI :grin:
Right you've got my attention, I don't want to be the Guiny pig so I'll look forward to seeing pics if you get them lol
They are definitely going to go on my car in a few months time if nothing bad comes up about the brand so there'll be plenty of photos.
Some extra info:
They come in 4 different finishes: gloss black, grey, gloss black diamond cut faces, grey diamond cut faces. The V3 design also looks like it would suit the MK7 well but I've locked on the Pret-like V1. Oh and they come at a VAG common center bore of 57.1mm which means no need for spigot rings etc. even more OEM then. All designs here:
https://v1-wheels.de/k1/Felgen (https://v1-wheels.de/k1/Felgen)
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shame they don't do a silver finish too
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shame they don't do a silver finish too
Glossy daytona grey maybe for you sir? I know it's not silver but it's also not matte grey which is a common finish in other brands but I find quite dull and looking as if it's always dirty. The glossy finishes when clean make the car look so much better in my eyes.
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shame they don't do a silver finish too
Glossy daytona grey maybe for you sir? I know it's not silver but it's also not matte grey which is a common finish in other brands but I find quite dull and looking as if it's always dirty. The glossy finishes when clean make the car look so much better in my eyes.
I'm not a fan of black wheels, yes I know the wheels on my car are mostly black but I think it depends on the colour of the car.
Grey can look good on any colour though I think.
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If they turn out to be a good strong wheel I'll be ordering a set
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If they turn out to be a good strong wheel I'll be ordering a set
Well, I guess there's only one way to find out by offering to be a guinea pig since there is not many reviews/experiences with them. This might sound absurd but I would feel less hesitant if they were costing say around 1000eur. For their looks, detail, and overall specs and certifications 668eur just seems suspiciously low and I can only hope it's because they're new to the market. If they are as good as we think they should be destroying the non-premium competition on VAG cars as all their three wheels look good on these cars plus they come in full VAG compatibility in terms of bolt pattern and center bore which is also important. Especially the V1 wheel would have been extremely popular in the MK7 crowd if they had been out for a couple of years already.
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If they turn out to be a good strong wheel I'll be ordering a set
Looking at the spec .pdf they're made by Wheelworld which are a widely available brand on German wheel rim websites and appear to around a while. They normally come in at the lower end of the price scale, as for quality and COO I'm not sure.
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Looking at the spec .pdf they're made by Wheelworld which are a widely available brand on German wheel rim websites and appear to around a while. They normally come in at the lower end of the price scale, as for quality and COO I'm not sure.
Good find. I went and had a read on the Wheelworld website where they briefly present their premises and manufacturing techniques and certifications and it doesn't look too bad. They seem to be a relatively new (founded in 2007) manufacturer aiming for the lower/mid wheel class with very competitive prices while meeting German standards and having TUV approval as well as their own QC. I guess they have to otherwise they wouldn't survive in a market like the German. They use gravity or low pressure casting, no fancy stuff like forging or flow-forming, fair enough. That combined with their young age and no motorsports involvement is I guess why their prices are kept low. They (clearly) don't target the premium wheel class but rather offering decent wheels for people on a budget.
In the end, knowing they are a German, TUV qualified company and not some cheap Chinese ebay replica maker, is probably enough for me and I don't know how much I am actually (if anything) losing compared to wheels of double the price. For example my other alternative, the Neuspeed RSE10 are twice the V1's money and are flow formed and lighter but I have seen several owners reporting cracking which is quite disappointing for the price.
I anyway don't need to move on with the purchase until next March so I'll continue keeping an eye on their wheels and reviews and if nothing worrying comes up I think they'll be my next summer set with some yummy PS4S around them...
http://www.wheelworld.de/en/company/aboutus (http://www.wheelworld.de/en/company/aboutus)
http://www.wheelworld.de/en/company/production (http://www.wheelworld.de/en/company/production)
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Has anyone had experience with those wheels yet? Apparently they are pretty new to the market and only offering 3 wheel designs, each one in several finishes, but I've been after a reasonably priced 19" wheel to resemble the Pretorias' look (don't like deviating much from OEM looks) for quite some time without any luck (it would have to be either super expensive or cheap heavy replicas) and suddenly I come across these and I think they look amazing:
https://v1-wheels.de/4/Felgen/V1-SW%2B-%28Schwarz-Glanz-Lackiert-Gr%C3%B6%C3%9Fe-18Zoll%2810%2C40Kg%29-ET-ET35 (https://v1-wheels.de/4/Felgen/V1-SW%2B-%28Schwarz-Glanz-Lackiert-Gr%C3%B6%C3%9Fe-18Zoll%2810%2C40Kg%29-ET-ET35)
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/e9kAAOSw9DVZr15M/s-l1600.jpg)
They are a German manufacturer and wheels are TUV approved so quality shouldn't be bad at all, and while 10.8kg for a 19" is not featherweight, it's still much better than every ebay knock-off as well as several entry and mid-level wheels currently on offer. What makes it crazy is their price though. I don't know if that's because they are new and unknown in the wheel scene but 668 eur + shipping sounds less than I would ever hope for. For what was up to now just my wheel budget (1200-1400 eur) I can get a set of those AND and some sticky PS4S in 235/35/19!
Some photos of them on a 7.5 GTI:
(https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/18954918_235267530292102_544983609007820644_o.jpg?oh=91b40643b510a48b0d8c303b10ab3ae1&oe=5AC71549)
(https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/19055624_235267566958765_6835625196882837933_o.jpg?oh=0d68cb4bfc5715b6329684a1ccb3ce1a&oe=5AC90743)
Some presentation video of them (in German): https://youtu.be/i9NtlZbz2_A (https://youtu.be/i9NtlZbz2_A)
Unless something negative comes up about them I can say I'm relieved that my "if not Pretorias what else" journey has come to an end finally. Just a few months too early though...
Nice car!! :laugh:..
Looks like mine!, but lower?, and some new rear spoiler?..
Think the wheels look great!. :smiley:. But you can get a lot of 19" quality wheels for around 800Euro ...i think.. :smiley:
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Nice car!! :laugh:..
Looks like mine!, but lower?, and some new rear spoiler?..
Think the wheels look great!. :smiley:. But you can get a lot of 19" quality wheels for around 800Euro ...i think.. :smiley:
No idea as not mine obviously but definitely looks lowered and with an aftermarket spoiler (which I don't like to be honest, Clubsport spoiler or nothing :tongue:)
I haven't found a single wheel looking close to OEM Pretorias and not being ultra heavy at 800 euros, and I doubt there would be any quality differences between any wheel at this price range and these ones. They seem to go through several quality controls:
"In order to ensure the quality of our production, our own TÜV-approved quality management team is always at site and monitors every process step. The production sites themselves are also TÜV-approved and include a test laboratory with all TÜV-relevant test machines and a variety of analyzing and control stations like for example X-ray, density and imbalance inspection."
But please suggest some if you know of any, I may change my mind if I see other interesting options.
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PS. I contacted them today and asked which process are the V1's specifically made of and they replied they're made via low pressure casting which is already good, better than basic gravity casting at least.
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The Rial Torino and AEZ Raise are also passable Pretoria lookalikes.
The V1's don't actually look that big due to the spoke design where as the Torino and Raise have long thin spokes like the Prets so visually look bigger.
I considered the Raise but ended up finding a set of Pretorias by chance.
(https://static3d.felgenshop.de/aez-raise-gunmetal-polished-felge-mit-reifen-grau-silber-mehrfarbig-in-19zoll-alufelge-auf-silbernem-volkswagen-vw-golf-7-2-0l-gti-clubsport-195kw-265-ps-s-228kw-310-mit-15mm-tieferlegung-industriehalle-1-camera-002-1920.jpg)
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The Rial Torino and AEZ Raise are also passable Pretoria lookalikes.
The V1's don't actually look that big due to the spoke design where as the Torino and Raise have long thin spokes like the Prets so visually look bigger.
I considered the Raise but ended up finding a set of Pretorias by chance.
Yep, I had considered both of them briefly but rejected them. For starters no one is coming in glossy black or any full black even so they are already out of the question. Closest thing is the diamond cut finish which doesn't do it for me in this design and silver is just not my cup of tea.
But even forgetting about the lack of a black option, there's something that feels wrong about the Torino spokes in my eyes and at 11,56kg it's really the max weight I could accept, and that with a heavy heart. The AEZ Raise have a nicer spoke design, almost identical to Prets but good Lord at 13,4kg they are the definition of an anchor! Even if they came in the nicest glossy black finish I wound never opt for such a heavy wheel :sad:
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Then that leaves the wheels I very nearly did buy which are the Borbet FF1.
Flow formed in 18" which makes them light and affordable.
Forged in 19" which makes them hideously expensive.
And black.
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I really like them, works well on that colour combo at least!
I recently put a set of Momo Revenge on my GTI in 19", they're not lightweight (about the same as Santiagos though) but have a look at BBS SR which I think look close to Prets in silver, there's also Novus 1 and Riva BNZ to consider....
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Then that leaves the wheels I very nearly did buy which are the Borbet FF1.
Flow formed in 18" which makes them light and affordable.
Forged in 19" which makes them hideously expensive.
And black.
I have seen those also and it's exactly for the reasons that you mention that I ruled those out as well. If the price didn't jump at 19" they would have been my choice, very nice looking wheel. We do seem to have a similar wheel taste :wink:
I really like them, works well on that colour combo at least!
I recently put a set of Momo Revenge on my GTI in 19", they're not lightweight (about the same as Santiagos though) but have a look at BBS SR which I think look close to Prets in silver, there's also Novus 1 and Riva BNZ to consider....
Yes I've seen several wheels looking similar to the BBS SR (Novus 01. being a very similar one), featuring the 5 Y-spokes, but it's not exactly the Pretoria design and I'll take the opportunity to explain why: The critical parameter is the angle and location of the V part on the Y spoke. Almost every 5 Y spoke wheel looks like the SR as in that it has the V part of the Y starting at the middle or even towards the end of the spoke and/or with a large angle ( >45 deg). That is exactly where Pretorias have taken a different path. The V part starts right at the center hub and the angle is much lower than 45, roughly 30deg I'd say. The V1's here are also at the limit of deviating too much but just manage to save it in the end (at least in my eyes). In this regard, the wheel that looked closer than any other aftermarket to Prets was the AEZ Raise as mentioned by Exonian but no black option which killed them right from the start and at 13,4kg I would consider it a crime to put them on any performance car :tongue:
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Nice car!! :laugh:..
Looks like mine!, but lower?, and some new rear spoiler?..
Think the wheels look great!. :smiley:. But you can get a lot of 19" quality wheels for around 800Euro ...i think.. :smiley:
No idea as not mine obviously but definitely looks lowered and with an aftermarket spoiler (which I don't like to be honest, Clubsport spoiler or nothing :tongue:)
I haven't found a single wheel looking close to OEM Pretorias and not being ultra heavy at 800 euros, and I doubt there would be any quality differences between any wheel at this price range and these ones. They seem to go through several quality controls:
"In order to ensure the quality of our production, our own TÜV-approved quality management team is always at site and monitors every process step. The production sites themselves are also TÜV-approved and include a test laboratory with all TÜV-relevant test machines and a variety of analyzing and control stations like for example X-ray, density and imbalance inspection."
But please suggest some if you know of any, I may change my mind if I see other interesting options.
Read a little bit to fast ;).
You have the same problem as me. The Pretoria was a 5000Euro option!!!!!, when i bought my new GTI this year..
The best i colud find was the Alutec Ikenu :wink:
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Read a little bit to fast ;).
You have the same problem as me. The Pretoria was a 5000Euro option!!!!!, when i bought my new GTI this year..
The best i colud find was the Alutec Ikenu :wink:
But 19" Pretorias are not even an option on the GTI are they? Unless you mean ordering them through the dealer as a separate VW item, 5,000eur is a joke anyway. On the Clubsport the Pretorias were a 30,000kr option but that included DCC that alone costed 8700 kr and then you got Michelin PSC2 that also cost another ~8,000 kr. in tire shops. So in the end their price was more like 18,000 kr if you deducted the rubber, which remains significant but easier to swallow when added to the total cost of a new car, buying separately not so much. Still, if these wheels prove to be good, I'll be just as happy I think. The more I look at their pictures the more I like them. And with the same center bore and VW cap compatibility they will offer this OEM+ look I'm after.
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Another option for an OEM look (using standard wheel bolts & centre caps) but not a Pretoria lookalike would be the VWR cup edition wheels or their TD parent wheels which offer more colours and at cheaper prices. Some on here have them and IMO they look very good although I've yet to see them on a 7.5.
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Forgot to mention dimensions. The plan is to go from current 18x7.5 ET49 with 225/40/18 Potenzas to 19x8.5 ET45 with 235/35/R19 PS4S (there is no 19x8.0 option anyway). I think the combination of the extra 10mm of tread and the stickier rubber will make for a big improvement rather appreciated on any powerful FWD. I could already spin the Potenzas on stock power levels so I can definitely find a use for the extra grip with the JB4 on.
In terms of suspension I think there are benefits to be had also by going for that size. The new tire/wheel combo brings the wheels 16.7mm further out from the struts so essentially it's like getting "free" 15mm spacers. I find the current Belvedere wheel to be a bit lost inside the arches when l look from the side but I am not a fun of actual spacers so there's two birds with one shot. Maybe even three, as although I don't think the car really needs any lowering, there is going to be a 5mm arch gap reduction which should look cool and at the same time I win some extra "forgiveness" as the overall ride height goes up 5mm, not bad at all.
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Read a little bit to fast ;).
You have the same problem as me. The Pretoria was a 5000Euro option!!!!!, when i bought my new GTI this year..
The best i colud find was the Alutec Ikenu :wink:
But 19" Pretorias are not even an option on the GTI are they? Unless you mean ordering them through the dealer as a separate VW item, 5,000eur is a joke anyway. On the Clubsport the Pretorias were a 30,000kr option but that included DCC that alone costed 8700 kr and then you got Michelin PSC2 that also cost another ~8,000 kr. in tire shops. So in the end their price was more like 18,000 kr if you deducted the rubber, which remains significant but easier to swallow when added to the total cost of a new car, buying separately not so much. Still, if these wheels prove to be good, I'll be just as happy I think. The more I look at their pictures the more I like them. And with the same center bore and VW cap compatibility they will offer this OEM+ look I'm after.
No it not a option. But you could order them as "aftermarket Option" at VW. So 5000Euro with tire... :grin: :grin:
I tried to get them as a option like on the R, but that was impossible even when i talked to VW headoffice.. :angry: :smiley:
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Another option for an OEM look (using standard wheel bolts & centre caps) but not a Pretoria lookalike would be the VWR cup edition wheels or their TD parent wheels which offer more colours and at cheaper prices. Some on here have them and IMO they look very good although I've yet to see them on a 7.5.
Yeah OEM look is key, on my Momo wheels the standard caps didn't fit though. Took a bit of measuring but found some alternatives on the internet, we'll see how they last. I suspect they'll tarnish during the winter!
(https://preview.ibb.co/b4L7hw/2017_11_24_12_41_05.jpg)
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Another option for an OEM look (using standard wheel bolts & centre caps) but not a Pretoria lookalike would be the VWR cup edition wheels or their TD parent wheels which offer more colours and at cheaper prices. Some on here have them and IMO they look very good although I've yet to see them on a 7.5.
I agree those look good and they are lightweight and not hugely expensive (between 1100 and 1300 iirc). A good candidate if you don't have the "black Pret" bug like I do...