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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: I wanted a GTi on 29 November 2017, 17:27
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If you're afraid of your car getting stolen by way of extending your keyless rang like this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-42132804/relay-crime-theft-caught-on-camera
You can disable the keyless opening bit with OBDeleven by going to central electronics, then go to long coding and near the top you will see Kessy and it will say Installed. Tap on it and change it to not installed and then tap and hold the green tick, job done.
Now the car will not lock or open without pressing the buttons on the remote, mirrors still fold with puddle lights on and so on.
When you unlock your car with the key fob and get in you need to hold the key to where the key blade would go into the barrel on a non keyless car. This will then turn the ignition and then you start the car with the button as usual.
When you stop you stop the car as usual with the button, get out and lock the car with the key fob.
This is what OBDeleven screen will look like when it is turned off, hope this helps.
(https://s5.postimg.org/sjimam29z/Screenshot_20171129-162536.png) (https://postimg.org/image/ffd1xxa83/)
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Interesting!
It would be even better if you could just disable the unlock part.... and that it would still work without having to hold the key fob at the steering cowl...
I do like the keyless feature though so I'd be very reluctant to go and disable it based on a couple of news stories.
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Interesting!
It would be even better if you could just disable the unlock part.... and that it would still work without having to hold the key fob at the steering cowl...
I do like the keyless feature though so I'd be very reluctant to go and disable it based on a couple of news stories.
I'll have to have a better look another day Joe because I have a bad back and I hurt it even more getting in and put of the car today but I will have to have a better look another day.
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My Google-fu proved strong B-)
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I do like the keyless feature though so I'd be very reluctant to go and disable it based on a couple of news stories.
I'd say more than just fear and speculation! It's pretty real....
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My Google-fu proved strong B-)
Yes, I knew that Kessy would need to be deactivated but what was the (ID 05) from installation, DISABLE in gateway") bit you mentioned.
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I do like the keyless feature though so I'd be very reluctant to go and disable it based on a couple of news stories.
I'd say more than just fear and speculation! It's pretty real....
Yep but I’ve yet to see a definitive report of a Golf - or any other VW for that matter - being taken in this manner. It’s all been BMW’s and Mercs that I’ve seen.
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The Germans tested all of German cars, all were possible... Golf gti specifically tested
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Better get a Farraday pouch from amazon which blocks the key signal. You can still enjoy the keyless option while being safe from the theft method in those videos.
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Turning it off or leaving it on will make not a jot of difference. If a thieving scum bag wants your car then all he'll do is break in to your house and get the keys. Bit more effort on his part but it won't matter either way. Cars are stolen to order now and no amount of protection or turning keyless off matters.
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I think the point is that many thieves will go for the approach that involves least chance of confrontation. Breaking into the house brings a far far bigger risk of (a) getting confronted (b) getting caught.
I would say a decent house alarm that’s obvious (flashing led) and security lighting at the front of your house / driveway are a good idea. I did this a while back and it does help you feel more secure.
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I've had another look tonight and it is possible to disable keyless opening and closing but keep keyless start.
First go to Startsystem Interface and then go to Long Coding and change front drivers and passengers door to not installed. See the screenshot below.
I changed my driver's side door and it wouldn't either lock or unlock but the passengers side door operated as it should. Unlocked with the key fob and the car started as normal with the start/stop button.
(https://s5.postimg.org/v2wc4t0af/Screenshot_20171201-160746.png) (https://postimg.org/image/57clllygj/)
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Good man.
Good to know the option is there to do it. Nice that the button start can work independently.
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West Midlands police first to find keyless extender.
https://www.west-midlands.police.uk/news/4691/first-west-midlands-police-pursuit-ends-seizure-hi-tech-car-crime-gadgets
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Nice spot!
That's a bigger piece of kit than I imagined it would be, but still very portable.
Proves this isn't fake news... well maybe to some!
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Nice spot!
That's a bigger piece of kit than I imagined it would be, but still very portable.
Proves this isn't fake news... well maybe to some!
Not so much of a spot as it was on my local news last night.
Yeah much bigger than I thought it would be and especially the amount of ariels on it. You can see why they put it in a bag now.
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Anyone know how you disable the rear hatch?
I have used OBD11 to disable the Doors and that works perfectly, however I noticed that the rear hatch still works keyless.
I've had a look around in in OBD11 and a bit of a search around the forum and couldn't find anything about the rear hatch.
Any ideas?
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Much better way for keyless to work. My Audi A4 works exactly like this - fob clicks to open and close but so long as key is inside the car the engine start button works.
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What's the coding to disable the doors? Sorry being totally lazy :whistle:
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In OBD11
Startsystem Interface
Long Coding
Then change Front and Passenger doors from Installed to Not Installed.
(Activation of Kessy door handle)
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Thanks, I've got vcds so will have a hunt around, cheers 👍
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Rather than start a new thread, I thought I'd post here.
I'm interested in disabling keyless opening of my doors, but keeping the push button start ( considering I don't actually have a key hole, this is probably essential :grin: )
Before I dive in and purchase OBDeleven or whatever it's called, is anybody in or near the Salford area who could do this for me ?
I can't think of anything else on the car that I want to change so it seems a bit of a waste to buy it just for one thing.
I think you also need an android device to use it, which I don't have.
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Rather than start a new thread, I thought I'd post here.
I'm interested in disabling keyless opening of my doors, but keeping the push button start ( considering I don't actually have a key hole, this is probably essential :grin: )
I'm not sure if this works on the 7 as it does the 7.5, but lock the car with your fob, then within 5 seconds press the keyless button/sensor on the door handle. That switches off the keyless-entry system until the next time you unlock the car with the fob. Perfect for when leaving the car overnight or if in a particularly vulnerable place.
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Rather than start a new thread, I thought I'd post here.
I'm interested in disabling keyless opening of my doors, but keeping the push button start ( considering I don't actually have a key hole, this is probably essential :grin: )
I'm not sure if this works on the 7 as it does the 7.5, but lock the car with your fob, then within 5 seconds press the keyless button/sensor on the door handle. That switches off the keyless-entry system until the next time you unlock the car with the fob. Perfect for when leaving the car overnight or if in a particularly vulnerable place.
Thanks for the heads up :smiley:
I really want is disabling permanently if possible though. I think the benefits it brings are outweighed by the security risks.
I have a Disklock and a faraday pouch but I know from experience that they ( faraday pouch ) fail to work over time.
I only really use the Disklock when I'm leaving the car parked overnight or for any lengthy period of time in a dodgy place.
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I've had the same Faraday pouch for over two years now and it still works fine. What exactly can go wrong with them? Open pouch, place keys in, open pouch and remove keys. Never understood why people say they just stop working 🤷♂️
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I've had the same Faraday pouch for over two years now and it still works fine. What exactly can go wrong with them? Open pouch, place keys in, open pouch and remove keys. Never understood why people say they just stop working 🤷♂️
You'd think so wouldn't you?
I unlocked my car a few months ago then quickly realised that the key was tucked away securely in my faraday pouch!
I double checked that the keys where in the proper part of the pouch and I was still able to unlock the door and start the ignition!
Not sure how or why it happens, but be aware, they can and do stop working.
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I do check regularly and even with the pouch right up against the door handle it still doesn't unlock.
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I may well have been unlucky but it sounds like I'm not the only one.
I just think that long term, disabling it is the way to go.
If I have to bite the bullet and invest in OBD11, so be it :smiley:
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I've got Obdeleven and an android phone and I live south of Manchester if you want a hand Kalimon. Feel free to send me a private message with your details. Andy
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I've got Obdeleven and an android phone and I live south of Manchester if you want a hand Kalimon. Feel free to send me a private message with your details. Andy
Cheers Andy.
I'll figure out a weekend when I'm not running round like a lunatic with the kids and sort something out :smiley:
Great name by the way, but I would say that :grin:
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No worries at all, I'll probably have the same problem finding a free weekend but I'm sure we will work something out!
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Rather than start a new thread, I thought I'd post here.
I'm interested in disabling keyless opening of my doors, but keeping the push button start ( considering I don't actually have a key hole, this is probably essential :grin: )
I'm not sure if this works on the 7 as it does the 7.5, but lock the car with your fob, then within 5 seconds press the keyless button/sensor on the door handle. That switches off the keyless-entry system until the next time you unlock the car with the fob. Perfect for when leaving the car overnight or if in a particularly vulnerable place.
Has anyone managed to disable like this on a 7?
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Rather than start a new thread, I thought I'd post here.
I'm interested in disabling keyless opening of my doors, but keeping the push button start ( considering I don't actually have a key hole, this is probably essential :grin: )
I'm not sure if this works on the 7 as it does the 7.5, but lock the car with your fob, then within 5 seconds press the keyless button/sensor on the door handle. That switches off the keyless-entry system until the next time you unlock the car with the fob. Perfect for when leaving the car overnight or if in a particularly vulnerable place.
Doesn’t seem to work on my Mk7. The car locks from the fob, and then gives an extra flash of the alarm light when I touch the door handle, but will still open without using the fob. It would have been useful, I suppose, but, really, I think this vulnerability is no different to any other - except that it doesn’t involve forced entry to your house, or worse.
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It'd be good to know if this can be coded out completely as per kalimon's post, as VAG seem to be rolling this out more and more across their range of top spec cars. So even though i've managed to avoid it this time, it's highly likely the next car will have it fitted as standard.
I've only ever thought of it as a gimmick with limited benefit, and messing about with steering locks and faraday pouches seems completely self defeating to me. So if there's a secure a way to be rid of it without affecting the push button start, it'll be turned off.
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It's not exactly messing about using a pouch! Buy them in a pack of two one for your everyday key and one for your spare and that's it.
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Rather than start a new thread, I thought I'd post here.
I'm interested in disabling keyless opening of my doors, but keeping the push button start ( considering I don't actually have a key hole, this is probably essential :grin: )
I'm not sure if this works on the 7 as it does the 7.5, but lock the car with your fob, then within 5 seconds press the keyless button/sensor on the door handle. That switches off the keyless-entry system until the next time you unlock the car with the fob. Perfect for when leaving the car overnight or if in a particularly vulnerable place.
Doesn’t seem to work on my Mk7. The car locks from the fob, and then gives an extra flash of the alarm light when I touch the door handle, but will still open without using the fob. It would have been useful, I suppose, but, really, I think this vulnerability is no different to any other - except that it doesn’t involve forced entry to your house, or worse.
One thing I forgot to mention, on the 7.5 you have to wait 10secs after pressing the button/sensor on the door before you can test it’s worked.
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I have disabled both the doors with OBD11, works exactly as i want for the doors/ignition.
Fob to lock and un lock, and retains keyless for ignition.
However there is a downside, the hatch is still keyless and i have yet to find how to disable the hatch.
I have asked on here in a different thread, but i dont think anyone knows how.
I believe you can fully disable keyless with OBD11, but you then have to place key next to steering column for ignition to work from what i have read.
Stewart
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It's not exactly messing about using a pouch! Buy them in a pack of two one for your everyday key and one for your spare and that's it.
I personally find it a pain in the arse using a pouch so disabling it is the route I will go down.
Each to their own :smiley:
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I have disabled both the doors with OBD11, works exactly as i want for the doors/ignition.
Fob to lock and un lock, and retains keyless for ignition.
However there is a downside, the hatch is still keyless and i have yet to find how to disable the hatch.
Keep looking, it surely can be done :smiley:
I have asked on here in a different thread, but i dont think anyone knows how.
I believe you can fully disable keyless with OBD11, but you then have to place key next to steering column for ignition to work from what i have read.
Stewart
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Rather than start a new thread, I thought I'd post here.
I'm interested in disabling keyless opening of my doors, but keeping the push button start ( considering I don't actually have a key hole, this is probably essential :grin: )
I'm not sure if this works on the 7 as it does the 7.5, but lock the car with your fob, then within 5 seconds press the keyless button/sensor on the door handle. That switches off the keyless-entry system until the next time you unlock the car with the fob. Perfect for when leaving the car overnight or if in a particularly vulnerable place.
Doesn’t seem to work on my Mk7. The car locks from the fob, and then gives an extra flash of the alarm light when I touch the door handle, but will still open without using the fob. It would have been useful, I suppose, but, really, I think this vulnerability is no different to any other - except that it doesn’t involve forced entry to your house, or worse.
One thing I forgot to mention, on the 7.5 you have to wait 10secs after pressing the button/sensor on the door before you can test it’s worked.
Still no worky on Mk7. Even tried doing everything stood on one leg, but still no worky! 😊
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Just had a quick scan through this thread. In a 7.5 GTI/GTI Perf with keyless, is disabling the keyless system as simple as locking the car and then pressing a button on the door handle within 5 seconds? Or am I missing something?
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Just had a quick scan through this thread. In a 7.5 GTI/GTI Perf with keyless, is disabling the keyless system as simple as locking the car and then pressing a button on the door handle within 5 seconds? Or am I missing something?
I don’t have keyless bit there’s a simple way to find out; why not just try it.
If you try opening the car door using the normal keyless entry method after you’ve followed the guidelines to temporarily disable it and you can’t open the door, then you’ll know it’s worked.
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Thanks SRGTD - I don't have one yet to try though......
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Just had a quick scan through this thread. In a 7.5 GTI/GTI Perf with keyless, is disabling the keyless system as simple as locking the car and then pressing a button on the door handle within 5 seconds? Or am I missing something?
Yes, thats it.
Only stays this way until its unlocked then you have to repeat the process next time you lock if you want it to behave that way, otherwise operates as expected.
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Thanks SRGTD - I don't have one yet to try though......
I’ve read on other VAG forums (VWROC.com, Uk-polos.net, seatcupra.net) of owners with keyless entry trying the temporarily disabling procedure and it’s worked.
Don’t know exactly when VW introduced the disable function on the Golf, but if you’re considering buying a used mk7.5, if being able to disable keyless is important to you from a security perspective, you could always try the disabling function on any car you go to view before buying. If you’re considering a new GTI, then the functionality should exist.
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Thanks both - I'm considering a new/nearly new GTI so will try that on any I'm looking at. Assuming that works and I set it like that at night, then I don't have to faff about with a faraday box etc.?
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Just had a quick scan through this thread. In a 7.5 GTI/GTI Perf with keyless, is disabling the keyless system as simple as locking the car and then pressing a button on the door handle within 5 seconds? Or am I missing something?
It is - You lock the car with the fob button, then touch the outside of the door handle, where you would to lock it keyless, and it will remain locked until you unlock it with the fob. I use this in most public spaces and overnight. It’s nice to have that option.
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Just had a quick scan through this thread. In a 7.5 GTI/GTI Perf with keyless, is disabling the keyless system as simple as locking the car and then pressing a button on the door handle within 5 seconds? Or am I missing something?
Just tried this on mine and it works. So I now don't need to keep putting the key in a Faraday pouch. :smiley:
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I just wish there was a way to disable keyless in the Car Settings, so that it always required the fob to unlock. Although once you know the 'trick' its effortless to do it I suppose.
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A quick warning, yes this works but occasionally on mine the doors are open even when the car looks locked ( mirrors folded) after using the keyless function, I haven't worked out if its timing or possibly because I have passengers closing doors after mine, so always check.
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A quick warning, yes this works but occasionally on mine the doors are open even when the car looks locked ( mirrors folded) after using the keyless function, I haven't worked out if its timing or possibly because I have passengers closing doors after mine, so always check.
dude mine locks after the last door is closed,
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Is this a service that a main dealer can offer? Was thinking about about doing it when it goes in for a service.