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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: darkcloud154 on 21 November 2017, 23:35
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Hi All
Getting a little confused on which one to pull the trigger on. I've put a deposit on a std 7.5 GTI. Looking to see it on Sat. But now im thinking it might make more sense to buy a MK 7 GTI PP for the diff. I have read the one in the PP is a locking LSD whilst a normal one is on the GTI controlled mechanically. Will this make a big diff if driven hard on the roads? Im not planning on taking the car on track. The cost diff for a low mileage PP is within a few K vs a newer GTI 7.5
Would love some opinions on the pros and cons of each and whether the locking diff in the pp is worth it over the electronic one in the mk 7.
Thanks
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Get the 7.5 it's a no brainer.
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Thanks for the response. Rationale is??
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Thanks for the response. Rationale is??
You wont buy a Iphone 5 today?.. :wink:.
But is it a CS!, you must consider! :smiley:
If we talk the same money of course!. otherwise the Mk7! :smiley:
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You don't get any diff in a standard GTi. You only get one in the PP.
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You don't get any diff in a standard GTi. You only get one in the PP.
Can you really tell the diff on the public roads if you decide to drive spirited?? I'm never going to track the car.
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Is it many sold 7,5 GTI without the PP in UK?. Is it not a very cheap option, what you get.. :smiley:
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Its not all about the diff. No one has mentioned the PPs brakes.
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Hey guys,
Took delivery of my 7.5 GTI PP two weeks ago (photos in the works). Coming from a non-PP Mk7, there's a noticeable difference. With the PP you get the wizardary with the LSD and the bigger brakes. Putting the diff to the test last weekend, took some fairly sharp turns on country lanes and you will notice putting the power down earlier in the corner will keep the car pulling inwards rather than drifting out. Wouldn't say it's a deal breaker but it's a lot of fun. Problem for me - gives that bit bigger grin but makes you take the corners faster. Still think it's worth it.
Bigger brakes - yes! Not that you're going to notice it a lot but then again I've not had to do too many sudden stops.
One thing you don't get on the 7.5 non-PP - that exhaust note. May not be exactly the same pressed metal as the CS but what a difference from the 7.0!
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Mk7 PP will get you the diff and the bigger brakes.
Standard 7.5 GTI without PP will get you a better infotainment screen, the active info display and the swoopy rear indicators.
If having the latest tech isn't something you crave, then save yourself some cash and get the Mk7 PP.
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Agreed - PP is all about the diff and the brakes. Non-PP 7.5 is just about the tech. After moving upto PP, I'd go for the Mk7 PP and save a few £k
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I have owned a mk7 PP for the last 2 years, you can feel the diff under certain driving conditions on the road. Quite honestly the quality and brand of road tyres seem to make more difference than the diff under regular road driving.
I drove a 66 plate regular mk7 GTi for a week last year, traction was not an issue at all, I expected it may be, but not under regular, even spirited driving.
On the basis of the 7.5 being the newer model with better tech and probably a longer warranty, I would go for the 7.5 personally.
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Matter of priorities really. How high up is the driving experience in your list and what are your expectations from the car? If you want to enjoy spirited drives at best then the PP is a must. It is definitely felt and appreciated without going nowhere near a track. It will not be apparent during the typical daily driving of-course, but whenever you have some "space" to push the car you will see how it can positively surprise you by keeping to its track and build speed earlier than expected without the, typical of powerful FWD, wheel-spin or understeer drama. It's very good in fact and for me the GTI shouldn't even be offered without it. Every other FWD hot hatch in the market comes with a lsd as standard nowadays. The non-PP 7.5 would probably be a bit of a cooler place to be in due to the active info but less satisfying during those sporty drives.
The biggest appeal of the 7.5 is probably not even the infotainment or tail-lights but knowing you're buying the latest model. I accept to some this can be a really important factor so not gonna argue on that. However, a facelift is not actually a new model or next gen in the sense someone compared an iPhone 5 to an iPhone 7 (let alone 8 and 10). It's nowhere near that in fact.
Personally (and that's just my opinion ofc) I have always been against facelifts regardless of model. The way I see it, just as the prices of the original car have come down and I can get great deals, I am asked to pay again the original full price of a car that is essentially 4-5 years old (its technology, not the car obviously) and at least at 2/3 of its life already. I can understand paying a high price during the first year a model is released but not 4 years after, when there are actually brand new offerings from the competition. I do think though that the facelift concept is genius on the dealer's/manufacture's side. And there is also the depreciation aspect. Being much closer to the end of its life, prices are going to drop quick and big when the actual next gen model comes out in say 2 years from now. I don't think there is going to be much between a 2016 mk7 and a 2017 mk7.5 when the mk8 will be out.
What is the price difference between the two cars you're looking at?
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cost differential is around 2.2k GBP. But i have found a 2017 Mk 7 Gti PP so would still benefit from a warranty till 2020.
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cost differential is around 2.2k GBP. But i have found a 2017 Mk 7 Gti PP so would still benefit from a warranty till 2020.
The 7.5 being the more expensive I take it? If so, I would not even think about it unless you're too worried about the dash gadgets. Bargain some more on the MK7 and go for it. My estimation is that you are never going to get that 2.2k back when the mk8 is out in a couple of years, and that's too soon to ignore imo.
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Agreed - PP is all about the diff and the brakes. Non-PP 7.5 is just about the tech. After moving upto PP, I'd go for the Mk7 PP and save a few £k
And the 7-speed box if you go for DSG!
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I'm def going DSG, and 5 doors. Thats for sure. I just spoke to a dealer who has driven both and said both are great - PP and 7.5 gti. He said the PP kicks in when you provoke to the car. But normal spirited the traction systems kick in. He said you can't go wrong with either. In response to the previous poster, yes the 7.5 is about 2.2k more than the mk7 pp registered in 2017.
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From your initial post, I assumed the cars were the same value.
With a difference of £2.2k, it makes the 7 PP due more consideration.
Unless the dealer you spoke to drives an old Gen Polo 1.2, then he is talking rubbish.
The PP builds power and is almost diesel like in it's torque curve and as for traction system kicking in, is that a positive?
Drive both cars and find out for yourself, it's the only way to know.
I would expect the 7.5 to hold it's money better than the 7PP, but with the 7PP cheaper to start with, buy the one you like best with colour, wheels and spec you are happiest with
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Is it not only 1100 £ between the 7.5 and the 7.5 PP?. Its a no brainer then?! :wink:
Think the new 7speed DSG is awsome.. :smiley:
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Not sure on the cost - but if you are talking DSG then its the diff, better brakes, more power and an extra gear for that money.
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So i've found a PP MK7 low mileage registered 2017 which is 1.5k cheaper than a base spec 7.5 gti. I think it will be between these 2 now, leaning on the PP....
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A standard 7.5 is an absolute blast. I love mine. Has the newer exhaust as standard with massive pops and way more noise, AID is awesome. New hdrl lights are cool and the swopping indicators look amazing. I push mine quite a lot down a and b roads and not once i have thought i need bigger brakes or a trick diff. But given the option if i was to trade in and get another golf i would get pp purely to say i have it. Bragging rights.
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A standard 7.5 is an absolute blast. I love mine. Has the newer exhaust as standard with massive pops and way more noise, AID is awesome. New hdrl lights are cool and the swopping indicators look amazing. I push mine quite a lot down a and b roads and not once i have thought i need bigger brakes or a trick diff. But given the option if i was to trade in and get another golf i would get pp purely to say i have it. Bragging rights.
Interesting perspective to consider. Considering - (subjective) on how much you have pushed yours and the car doing what you feel it has to. I will push it and see where the limits are if i was to get a 7.5.
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Personally I think that the limits of both cars are way too high for what is safe to use on the road. The PP diff may allow you to power through tighter corners harder, but the chances are, you won't be able to see what's round the corner.
My money would go on the newer car, as it has the latest tech and is plenty fast enough for 99% of situations.
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A standard 7.5 is an absolute blast. I love mine. Has the newer exhaust as standard with massive pops and way more noise, AID is awesome. New hdrl lights are cool and the swopping indicators look amazing. I push mine quite a lot down a and b roads and not once i have thought i need bigger brakes or a trick diff. But given the option if i was to trade in and get another golf i would get pp purely to say i have it. Bragging rights.
Interesting perspective to consider. Considering - (subjective) on how much you have pushed yours and the car doing what you feel it has to. I will push it and see where the limits are if i was to get a 7.5.
Yes, very good point . The only real way to know is to take one on a test drive. Find a good dealer who is passionate about these cars and have a quick blast down your local country roads to see what you think.
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Personally I think that the limits of both cars are way too high for what is safe to use on the road. The PP diff may allow you to power through tighter corners harder, but the chances are, you won't be able to see what's round the corner.
My money would go on the newer car, as it has the latest tech and is plenty fast enough for 99% of situations.
100% correct. I can only be on the limit for a second before Im in license loosing ground. God knows how you can push a golf r on public roads
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Indeed Clarky... is carrying more speed than a normal GTI can achieve through a corner a real good idea on the road?
It might be safe or you could find a tractor doing 10mph around that corner and even your bigger PP brakes might not be big enough. I saw my mate crash his Scooby like that...
On the track, different matter altogether.
I'd say the new non-PP car was the better bet. If I had the choice between secondhand and new I'd want new. Its not like the "basic" GTI is badly specc'ed at all. Its fully loaded!
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Fredgroves & Clarky92 thank you for your personal inputs and views on how you feel about both options. I think the big Q for me is, can you really push or as the dealer said provoke the car enough to know and feel and need the diff vs the normal gti, or can you push the car to 7/8 tenths and have the same fun without the diff. When i test drove the 7.5 gti the handling and speed pickup was impressive that i felt the R was just not a choice anymore!! Its interesting how ppl have diff opinions on these cars...
I've seen good / decent deals on both, so saturday is the day to pull the trigger on one!
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Indeed Clarky... is carrying more speed than a normal GTI can achieve through a corner a real good idea on the road?
Is having 230bhp a real good idea on the road then? By that reasoning a GTI is completely un-necessary compared to the basic 1.4 TSI Golf which is capable enough for overtaking and driving within NSL if that is our only concern. Who needs all that extra performance honestly? In fact how come there is even a market for performance cars at all? :whistle:
Needs and priorities. My Clubsport is our family car, I'd say it spends 90% of its time being a boring commuter due to the roads and traffic here in which being a CS provides it with no extra benefit at all. But the 10% of time that the circumstances allow me to use it closer to its true potential (and by that I don't mean blind corners or roads with tractors or anything including the possibility to crash onto anything) are oh so satisfying. Clearly it doesn't mean that because I have it I should drive it like that all of the time. Knowing when and where is the key.
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Fredgroves & Clarky92 thank you for your personal inputs and views on how you feel about both options. I think the big Q for me is, can you really push or as the dealer said provoke the car enough to know and feel and need the diff vs the normal gti, or can you push the car to 7/8 tenths and have the same fun without the diff. When i test drove the 7.5 gti the handling and speed pickup was impressive that i felt the R was just not a choice anymore!! Its interesting how ppl have diff opinions on these cars...
I've seen good / decent deals on both, so saturday is the day to pull the trigger on one!
Exactly, it's the forums and the internet. Different people, different mindsets, uses and needs. Subjective terms and expressions such as "I push the car a lot", "the handling is great/ok/rubbish" may mean everything and nothing unless you can relate to the people expressing them and see how close your requirements are to theirs. I guess you go by "if 10 people agree on this, it's probably something I would agree on also" but it's not that simple when they don't. Which is why ultimately you should not rely on whether the dealer or the forum thinks they are great cars but actually go and drive them yourself, and if possible try to find a good piece of road to explore the car past a few straight line accelerations and generic driving. Try to simulate the driving scenarios that are important to you not just the ones available near the dealership.
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Indeed Clarky... is carrying more speed than a normal GTI can achieve through a corner a real good idea on the road?
Is having 230bhp a real good idea on the road then? By that reasoning a GTI is completely un-necessary compared to the basic 1.4 TSI Golf which is capable enough for overtaking and driving within NSL if that is our only concern. Who needs all that extra performance honestly? In fact how come there is even a market for performance cars at all? :whistle:
Needs and priorities. My Clubsport is our family car, I'd say it spends 90% of its time being a boring commuter due to the roads and traffic here in which being a CS provides it with no extra benefit at all. But the 10% of time that the circumstances allow me to use it closer to its true potential (and by that I don't mean blind corners or roads with tractors or anything including the possibility to crash onto anything) are oh so satisfying. Clearly it doesn't mean that because I have it I should drive it like that all of the time. Knowing when and where is the key.
Agree 100%!. If you want a Performance Golf , why don´t go all the way?!.
I have also a MK7 140TSI, that car is 90% enought powerfull on everyday use.. even on Track :wink:. I know a little crazy :whistle:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD0dYI0pG3E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD0dYI0pG3E)
But i like Cars and when i can drive the last 10% of my time on the road i want some more fun.....The GTI PP... :grin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZK1kGQOqCA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZK1kGQOqCA)
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Another angle - the difference between a gti 7.5 standard to gti 7.5 pp - add that onto a gti 7.5 pp and your at a standard 7.5 golf r. Could you justify being so close to a golf r price and sticking with a gti pp? Where do you draw the line and say this is enough for me.
That's a good one actually. Obviously cost is a major factor for most and in the UK the two cars are priced inexplicably close, more so than in any other market to my knowledge. Comparing 5-door DSG models:
UK R: £34,650
UK GTI: £31,505 That's 91% the R's price! but is it 91% the R's performance?
In Sweden where me and Wide are based (I know you don't care :tongue: but just for the sake of comparison):
SWE R: 415,400kr (£37,332)
SWE GTI: 325,400kr (£29,244) That's 78% of an R's price. A reasonable discount for - coincidentally - a 79% as powerful car (and with 2 less driven wheels). Germany is the same with a safe ~25% margin between them.
There is the argument about the less fun drive in the AWD R (definition of "fun" is subjective btw) but the extra power makes up for it for most I'd imagine and for 3K more, if I wasn't already far above my budget I would be hard pressed to opt for the GTI if I was buying in the UK market unless I could get a really good deal.
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Its actually even closer than that because if you use the ever popular drive the deal to get a good discount, you get discounts on the car only, not the extras :D
The closeness of the GTI price to the R in the UK is why actually a GTI is a pretty rare beast these days.
Far more R's than GTI's.
Of course, the extra cost doesn't end with the purchase price, the R drinks more fuel, pays more road tax and costs more to insure, but...
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Its actually even closer than that because if you use the ever popular drive the deal to get a good discount, you get discounts on the car only, not the extras :D
That isn't correct - you get discount on the extras but the overall discount is 15% rather than 16% for a car with no extras (or met paint only). I think they give you roughly 11% off extras.
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The PP has GTI on the red calipers. That's all the reason you need.
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Hi guys ,
Really interesting reading everyone's thoughts and opinions ...end of the day its a MASSIVE choice and all people on here can do and some less aggressively than other is offer THEIR ...opinion . I am buy no means a expert and am picking up my first GTI on Friday ..yes the new 7.5 "facelift" 6DSG stock standard and im extremely excited , my research and Im sure Ill get destroyed if im wrong on this is that the Stock 7.5 has the SAME performance from a Engine perspective to the 7 PP ..so all your getting by saving 2K or so is in fact a 2ND Hand car with bigger brakes that you wont really need unless on a track day or borderline criminal on the road driving ...the handling yes PP with the diff is a bonus and nice to have but does that warrant a car thats going to look "outdated" when parked at the car park or at the lights for a little fun ...? Again personally I prefer knowing im in the newer car with all the new gimmicks and as someone said even those will be outdated in 2 years but until then Im in the latest model ....the real question you should be asking is not should you save 2k and go 2nd hand but should you spend 3/4 K more and get the R ...if performance is so important to you get the REAL DEAL and get the R....anyway hope know one takes any comments here personally just my opinion....
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Have a look at what Clubsport's are out there maybe?
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Hi guys ,
Really interesting reading everyone's thoughts and opinions ...end of the day its a MASSIVE choice and all people on here can do and some less aggressively than other is offer THEIR ...opinion . I am buy no means a expert and am picking up my first GTI on Friday ..yes the new 7.5 "facelift" 6DSG stock standard and im extremely excited , my research and Im sure Ill get destroyed if im wrong on this is that the Stock 7.5 has the SAME performance from a Engine perspective to the 7 PP ..so all your getting by saving 2K or so is in fact a 2ND Hand car with bigger brakes that you wont really need unless on a track day or borderline criminal on the road driving ...the handling yes PP with the diff is a bonus and nice to have but does that warrant a car thats going to look "outdated" when parked at the car park or at the lights for a little fun ...? Again personally I prefer knowing im in the newer car with all the new gimmicks and as someone said even those will be outdated in 2 years but until then Im in the latest model ....the real question you should be asking is not should you save 2k and go 2nd hand but should you spend 3/4 K more and get the R ...if performance is so important to you get the REAL DEAL and get the R....anyway hope know one takes any comments here personally just my opinion....
Congratulations!
Fantastic choice, what colour? Standard spec is still fully loaded.
The dsg is superb. And you are correct on power. Mk7 pp is the same as standard 7.5 230ps. Give it 2k miles to loosen the engine and it comes alive. Enjoy the dsg pops aswell :grin:
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Thanks Clarky !
Took a shot in the dark and went for White Silver unseen....every youtube video ...online photo looks different and it edges on amaizing to baby blue :sick: at times ....but i have to admit i dont care just looking forward to experiencing the GTI feeling after wanting one for the past 15 years ! DSG was a no brainer ...im 36 to grumpy and old to be shifting gears :grin:
driving in and around london doesnt exactly shout manual either ...and as you say and based on research the DSG sound fabulous !
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Hi guys ,
Really interesting reading everyone's thoughts and opinions ...end of the day its a MASSIVE choice and all people on here can do and some less aggressively than other is offer THEIR ...opinion . I am buy no means a expert and am picking up my first GTI on Friday ..yes the new 7.5 "facelift" 6DSG stock standard and im extremely excited , my research and Im sure Ill get destroyed if im wrong on this is that the Stock 7.5 has the SAME performance from a Engine perspective to the 7 PP ..so all your getting by saving 2K or so is in fact a 2ND Hand car with bigger brakes that you wont really need unless on a track day or borderline criminal on the road driving ...the handling yes PP with the diff is a bonus and nice to have but does that warrant a car thats going to look "outdated" when parked at the car park or at the lights for a little fun ...? Again personally I prefer knowing im in the newer car with all the new gimmicks and as someone said even those will be outdated in 2 years but until then Im in the latest model ....the real question you should be asking is not should you save 2k and go 2nd hand but should you spend 3/4 K more and get the R ...if performance is so important to you get the REAL DEAL and get the R....anyway hope know one takes any comments here personally just my opinion....
So you think a 7 is outdated compared to a 7.5 ? Have a word with yourself! All you get on the 7.5 is a different media screen, the stupid Audi lights on the back, some extra bits of bumper fins on the front, a marmite virtual dash and a worse set of standard alloys. It might have the same power output but a 7pp will stop you a bit quicker than a bog standard 7.5 GTi and you will feel a difference pressing on with diff no matter what anyone says.
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Thanks Clarky !
Took a shot in the dark and went for White Silver unseen....every youtube video ...online photo looks different and it edges on amaizing to baby blue :sick: at times ....but i have to admit i dont care just looking forward to experiencing the GTI feeling after wanting one for the past 15 years ! DSG was a no brainer ...im 36 to grumpy and old to be shifting gears :grin:
driving in and around london doesnt exactly shout manual either ...and as you say and based on research the DSG sound fabulous !
Im jealous that colour is awesome! Makes the red stripe around the front really stand out.
Totally agree on dsg, i do 90% city driving and on the daily commute at 5:30am its great to chill and let the car do all the work combined with adaptive cruise.
Enjoy it!
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Hi guys ,
Really interesting reading everyone's thoughts and opinions ...end of the day its a MASSIVE choice and all people on here can do and some less aggressively than other is offer THEIR ...opinion . I am buy no means a expert and am picking up my first GTI on Friday ..yes the new 7.5 "facelift" 6DSG stock standard and im extremely excited , my research and Im sure Ill get destroyed if im wrong on this is that the Stock 7.5 has the SAME performance from a Engine perspective to the 7 PP ..so all your getting by saving 2K or so is in fact a 2ND Hand car with bigger brakes that you wont really need unless on a track day or borderline criminal on the road driving ...the handling yes PP with the diff is a bonus and nice to have but does that warrant a car thats going to look "outdated" when parked at the car park or at the lights for a little fun ...? Again personally I prefer knowing im in the newer car with all the new gimmicks and as someone said even those will be outdated in 2 years but until then Im in the latest model ....the real question you should be asking is not should you save 2k and go 2nd hand but should you spend 3/4 K more and get the R ...if performance is so important to you get the REAL DEAL and get the R....anyway hope know one takes any comments here personally just my opinion....
So you think a 7 is outdated compared to a 7.5 ? Have a word with yourself! All you get on the 7.5 is a different media screen, the stupid Audi lights on the back, some extra bits of bumper fins on the front, a marmite virtual dash and a worse set of standard alloys. It might have the same power output but a 7pp will stop you a bit quicker than a bog standard 7.5 GTi and you will feel a difference pressing on with diff no matter what anyone says.
Nibble of the century :grin:
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Mcdaddy ...based on you apparent extensive and somewhat opinionated point of few ..the simple fact you begin your response to my thoughts and opinions by pointing out numerous ascetical differences between the 7 and the 7.5 I should end my reply now....but because your such a forceful and opinionated contributor Ill answer it for you ...I dont think it is ...IT IS FACT ..be it via gimmicks or what you deem as "stupid" differences the simple fact is the 7.5 is now the newer GTI model ...if you prefer the 7 it's you choice and I respect that ..I wont argue personal preference as you so strongly do ...im simply stating a fact ...the 7 is now outdated ...dash is not the"old" dash (NOT BAD as you would say..)..lights on the 7 now the "old" lights ...and ps i dont see forums of 7.5 owners asking how to fit 7 headlights and taillights on there BRAND NEW car but rather 7 owners keen to replace theirs...not everyone none more so than you im sure .....so chill and respect others opinions ...the 7 is still amazing and now its not OLD ...but as of a few months back it is the OLD GTI .
Like it or not we all fall prey to it at some point in our car owning journey... facelifts happen ....
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Hi guys ,
Really interesting reading everyone's thoughts and opinions ...end of the day its a MASSIVE choice and all people on here can do and some less aggressively than other is offer THEIR ...opinion . I am buy no means a expert and am picking up my first GTI on Friday ..yes the new 7.5 "facelift" 6DSG stock standard and im extremely excited , my research and Im sure Ill get destroyed if im wrong on this is that the Stock 7.5 has the SAME performance from a Engine perspective to the 7 PP ..so all your getting by saving 2K or so is in fact a 2ND Hand car with bigger brakes that you wont really need unless on a track day or borderline criminal on the road driving ...the handling yes PP with the diff is a bonus and nice to have but does that warrant a car thats going to look "outdated" when parked at the car park or at the lights for a little fun ...? Again personally I prefer knowing im in the newer car with all the new gimmicks and as someone said even those will be outdated in 2 years but until then Im in the latest model ....the real question you should be asking is not should you save 2k and go 2nd hand but should you spend 3/4 K more and get the R ...if performance is so important to you get the REAL DEAL and get the R....anyway hope know one takes any comments here personally just my opinion....
So you think a 7 is outdated compared to a 7.5 ? Have a word with yourself! All you get on the 7.5 is a different media screen, the stupid Audi lights on the back, some extra bits of bumper fins on the front, a marmite virtual dash and a worse set of standard alloys. It might have the same power output but a 7pp will stop you a bit quicker than a bog standard 7.5 GTi and you will feel a difference pressing on with diff no matter what anyone says.
Its a facelift, so yes the mk7 is now outdated.
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I would also like to say that I think the Mk7 is outdated compared to the Mk7.5 with regards to both exterior and interior. However, Mcmaddy this is my opinion and not fact. Just so you are aware :whistle:
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Would McMaddy own. mk7 by any chance???? :cry: :wink:
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All the pointless banter and fact or opinion aside :grin:
Did any of you gents opt to get the GTI opposed to the R ....?
I considered the R purely based on performance which is mind blowing ...BUT ..
A: It was a bit steep for what I was prepared or able to pay pushing me over my "comfort zone" and the GTI for me is already big performance upgrade vs my 2 year old Merc 200d AMG diesel tracker :sick:
B: and this is PERSONNEL opinion I find the R's look although incredibly similar to the GTI and awesome...slightly less "refined" and by that I simply think it feels like they went for the less is more "darker" look on the interior which although looks good feels a bit more geared to a boy racer segment ...performance , noise , handling etc WOW ....but the GTI seems far family friendly on the inside ..? I just think aesthetically they could have done more on the interior to make the interior match whats under the hood ?
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Yes I own and mk7 but I'm far from crying about not having a 7.5. It just seems a few FL owners think they've got something far more desirable than what it is which is just a FL. It's not a new model and in fact I'm my opinion I think the front end is worse on the FL and so are the alloys. Just my opinion of course and not in any way meant to put the snooty noses out of joint of the 7.5 clan.
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All the pointless banter and fact or opinion aside :grin:
Did any of you gents opt to get the GTI opposed to the R ....?
I considered the R purely based on performance which is mind blowing ...BUT ..
A: It was a bit steep for what I was prepared or able to pay pushing me over my "comfort zone" and the GTI for me is already big performance upgrade vs my 2 year old Merc 200d AMG diesel tracker :sick:
B: and this is PERSONNEL opinion I find the R's look although incredibly similar to the GTI and awesome...slightly less "refined" and by that I simply think it feels like they went for the less is more "darker" look on the interior which although looks good feels a bit more geared to a boy racer segment ...performance , noise , handling etc WOW ....but the GTI seems far family friendly on the inside ..? I just think aesthetically they could have done more on the interior to make the interior match whats under the hood ?
I test drove a GTi pp and an R back to back and loved the R but the extra fuel costs and monthly payments meant the GTi was better for me. I don't regret not getting the R either.
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All the pointless banter and fact or opinion aside :grin:
Did any of you gents opt to get the GTI opposed to the R ....?
I considered the R purely based on performance which is mind blowing ...BUT ..
A: It was a bit steep for what I was prepared or able to pay pushing me over my "comfort zone" and the GTI for me is already big performance upgrade vs my 2 year old Merc 200d AMG diesel tracker :sick:
B: and this is PERSONNEL opinion I find the R's look although incredibly similar to the GTI and awesome...slightly less "refined" and by that I simply think it feels like they went for the less is more "darker" look on the interior which although looks good feels a bit more geared to a boy racer segment ...performance , noise , handling etc WOW ....but the GTI seems far family friendly on the inside ..? I just think aesthetically they could have done more on the interior to make the interior match whats under the hood ?
Yes I went gti over an r - cost was too much than I was prepared. Add in extra fuel and stupid insurance at 25 years old.
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Yes I own and mk7 but I'm far from crying about not having a 7.5. It just seems a few FL owners think they've got something far more desirable than what it is which is just a FL. It's not a new model and in fact I'm my opinion I think the front end is worse on the FL and so are the alloys. Just my opinion of course and not in any way meant to put the snooty noses out of joint of the 7.5 clan.
This is getting comical. I think this all may be in your head lol not sure where there are any snooty noses lol
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MC don't get like that :grin:
I know what your saying in regards to how you feel about the 2 models ...just came across super negative on the 7.5 lot ...you have to remember ...its my first GTI ...I first fell in love with them when the MK5 came out but life and circumstances led me into other cars so only now have I been able to get a car for ME :laugh:.....that happens to fit the family in...do the school run ..BDay party runs ...lug shopping ...ok ok so maybe not just for me :undecided: :evil:
Personally i find the "upgrades" or "updates" really appealing and for me the original post which kicked all this off is a no brainer ...GET a NEW car ...I mean if you went to replace your 7 now....would you go for a 7PP with 5/10K on the clock or the 7.5PP ....honestly ....?
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happy to hear ...a review on youtube summed up the R when they said ...AMAZING performance etc etc etc ...which we all know .....BUT he said ...are you ever really going to use it in and around london which is my case ...and the $$$$$$ of course :grin:...I must be honest though based on what I wrote previously if the R had in my opinion a more wow factor on the interior I would have tried to make the sacrifice ...purely know I would have ALL the power available to me along with the AWD and stupid performance :rolleyes:
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As person come from astra vxr,with 280 hp,mechanical diff,and brembo 345 mm brakes, to 7.5 gti non pp, golf do not need diff, our bigger brakes, golf have such sweet chasis, balanced,and lot of grip,and no matter how hard you drive it, very rarly,our never i feel i miss diff,golf pp just do not make sense, if perfomace are in question, then there is just one Golf r, other just can be only golf gti non pp, and 7.5 is just more beatiful then 7
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All the pointless banter and fact or opinion aside :grin:
Did any of you gents opt to get the GTI opposed to the R ....?
I considered the R purely based on performance which is mind blowing ...BUT ..
A: It was a bit steep for what I was prepared or able to pay pushing me over my "comfort zone" and the GTI for me is already big performance upgrade vs my 2 year old Merc 200d AMG diesel tracker :sick:
B: and this is PERSONNEL opinion I find the R's look although incredibly similar to the GTI and awesome...slightly less "refined" and by that I simply think it feels like they went for the less is more "darker" look on the interior which although looks good feels a bit more geared to a boy racer segment ...performance , noise , handling etc WOW ....but the GTI seems far family friendly on the inside ..? I just think aesthetically they could have done more on the interior to make the interior match whats under the hood ?
1. Couldn’t afford the extra 3k for the R
2. 300 miles a week would be a bit too costly on the R
3. I prefer the front end of the GTI, however I wouldn’t say this if I had the money for an R
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So far ...all in agreement its the $$$$$$$ :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:....but if i was able to spare the cash on the R as is it would simply be an ego trip knowing I have the top end model (obviously insane performance when required) ...but just feel the interior should equal the performance and should it have been financially viable i think i would have loved the performance but regretted or been jealous of the GTI look ...GTI just looks better (MY OPINION :lipsrsealed: :grin: :lipsrsealed:)
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Honestly don't know if I'd replace my 7pp with a 7.5pp. I wouldn't be disappointed if I had to but by the time I replace mine in 3 years or so the mk8 will be out. The mk7 is a great car either 7 or 7.5 :smiley:
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For me, the 7.5 over the 7pp.
Newer car, newer tech, more warranty (assuming the dates)
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MC don't get like that :grin:
I know what your saying in regards to how you feel about the 2 models ...just came across super negative on the 7.5 lot ...you have to remember ...its my first GTI ...I first fell in love with them when the MK5 came out but life and circumstances led me into other cars so only now have I been able to get a car for ME :laugh:.....that happens to fit the family in...do the school run ..BDay party runs ...lug shopping ...ok ok so maybe not just for me :undecided: :evil:
Personally i find the "upgrades" or "updates" really appealing and for me the original post which kicked all this off is a no brainer ...GET a NEW car ...I mean if you went to replace your 7 now....would you go for a 7PP with 5/10K on the clock or the 7.5PP ....honestly ....?
Birthday party runs? Is that a thing?
What the original post actually asked was whether or not there was any merit in getting a Mk7 GTi PP over a standard 7.5 GTi. I wouldn't say that was a no brainer, hence we have 6 pages of debate. They both have the same amount of power, but one has a trick diff and bigger brakes, whereas the other has a bigger infotainment screen, digital dash and swoopy rear indicators.
It's not about which is better, as an argument can be made for both. But more is it worth paying extra to have the 7.5 tech, given that you will miss out on the diff and the uprated brakes?
It's a minor point, but some also seem to prefer the colour palette of the 7 over the 7.5 and vice-versa. Same with aesthetics of facelift vs pre-facelift.
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Honestly don't know if I'd replace my 7pp with a 7.5pp. I wouldn't be disappointed if I had to but by the time I replace mine in 3 years or so the mk8 will be out. The mk7 is a great car either 7 or 7.5 :smiley:
2 years time youll be in the mk 8 and we will be torching you saying its pants and 7.5is better....until we in one :grin: :grin: :whistle:
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One great thing about the 7.5 GTi is that you can get it with Bresia wheels. They look so amazing in real life and really suit the car so well. I wasn't bowled over with the pics but now I see them I'm so glad I upgraded.
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Guzzle you could have spared us aching fingers from hammering the keys hours ago :grin: :angry:....well summed up in your post ... and yes BDay party runs are a massive thing when your 7 year old has a busier social life then you :undecided:...i take it you don't have kids ?...and on that topic ...where else can you get a REAL hot hatch thats safe , practical , fun looks good and the badge imposes respect on the road for 30K.......all in all mk4 ,5 ,6 ,7 ,7.5 or even MC's mk8 thats not even real..yet GTI's , R's and VW Golfs in general amazing !!!...cant wait to officially be an owner ... T-36Hrs !!!!!!!!!
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One great thing about the 7.5 GTi is that you can get it with Bresia wheels. They look so amazing in real life and really suit the car so well. I wasn't bowled over with the pics but now I see them I'm so glad I upgraded.
yeh they do look sweet ...do you feel it makes the ride much harder or noisier on the 19's? I opted to stay on the 18 Parkers based on general "comfort" and noise reviews for the 19's ...? Im sure its not much but curious none the less...PS anyone adding or have a Pedal box ..? Was going to have stage one done ...700 quid for 300BHP etc etc ...but with that comes the lack of AWD like on the R and hence wheel spin etc although reviews on stage 1's are amazing ...BUT ..warranty ??!!....pedal box seem a no brainer for 150 quid ...no additional power but instant throttle and again reviews on here are amazing with basically no warranty concerns....thoughts ?
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Guzzle you could have spared us aching fingers from hammering the keys hours ago :grin: :angry:....well summed up in your post ... and yes BDay party runs are a massive thing when your 7 year old has a busier social life then you :undecided:...i take it you don't have kids ?...and on that topic ...where else can you get a REAL hot hatch thats safe , practical , fun looks good and the badge imposes respect on the road for 30K.......all in all mk4 ,5 ,6 ,7 ,7.5 or even MC's mk8 thats not even real..yet GTI's , R's and VW Golfs in general amazing !!!...cant wait to officially be an owner ... T-36Hrs !!!!!!!!!
LOL, no I don't. I have just about mastered how to look after myself! Added to which, you'd probably find me hanging around the Mk4 forum rather than discussing Mk7 vs Mk7.5 if my kid(s) turned out to be anything like I was. Come to think about it, I did go to rather a lot of party's as a 7 year old!
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:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:...youll get there...enjoy the freedom while it lasts :evil:
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I think you made the correct choice. New fresh car, new tech, full warranty, etc etc... the MK7 is the "old" car now, and thats a fact, whether it puts some noses out of joint or not.
For what my opinion is worth I also hate the new standard GTI wheels but I didn't love the MK7 Austins much either tbh. If I was buying a new GTI I'd have to spec one of the 19's options.
In every other way, the facelift is the nicer car inside and out imo. Front end looks better / more aggressive. The exhaust pipes are nice and chunky now too - making the MK7 pipes look like pea shooters. I love all the new tech and I quite like the silly Audi indicators.
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The ride on the 19s is still exceptionally good and that is comparing to my previous GTD on 18s. No discernible increase in noise, on very bumpy roads it is slightly firmer but as we live rural I am talking about very poor roads to notice any difference.
The mega low profile Tyres do look great.
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One great thing about the 7.5 GTi is that you can get it with Bresia wheels. They look so amazing in real life and really suit the car so well. I wasn't bowled over with the pics but now I see them I'm so glad I upgraded.
.........pedal box seem a no brainer for 150 quid ...no additional power but instant throttle and again reviews on here are amazing with basically no warranty concerns....thoughts ?
Not sure that's the case. I'm reading on some other (non-VW) forums that dealers are detecting readings in the ECU from a pedal box. Whether or not that affects the warranty.....who knows. Unless you're prepared to fight the dealer legally they can just point to the warranty statement about modifications.
I'm thinking of fessing up to my dealer as I've only been running the pedal box for a short time. I figure if it's OK, then no stress. However if they insist it voids my warranty it is probably early enough to ditch the pedal box and save my warranty, as I have a good relationship with my service manager. I'm keen to keep it that way.
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This is the choice I was faced with last month, between an 18 month old mk7 GTI PP and 6 month old mk7 GTI. I appreciate that neither was a brand new car so it's not the exact same dilemma but it is similar.
I actually went for the mk7 GTI PP for a number of reasons, I just about prefer the look of the car externally (mainly because I can't stand the mk7.5 wheels) and wanted the bigger brakes & diff. The power being the same didn't enter into my thinking as I always planned to put a tuning box into it and the gains were pretty much the same with both cars. The mk7 was a nicer colour too which always helps, it's in black whereas the mk7.5 was in white and as I don't like white cars I'd have had to get it wrapped which wasn't the end of the world but would've added extra expense. I drove both cars on pretty heavy test drives and felt much more comfortable throwing the mk7 into corners than the mk7.5, just felt it stuck to the road slightly better overall.
On the flip side, I was a bit gutted to miss out of the digital dash as I think it's really smart. However it's nowhere the Audi TT one which is what I'd been expecting before testing it. Equally I do miss the car-play functionality that was in my Polo and is standard on the mk7.5, but don't really want to spend the £200+ to get it added to the mk7. The adaptive cruise control looks nicer on the mk7.5 as well as it's built into the VW badge instead of being in a box underneath it.
All in all, I'd always go for the performance pack option of the two and I think that's more important than getting the mk7.5, well it was to me anyway. So in fairness, if the mk7.5 in their showroom had got the PP then I'm sure I'd be driving around in that car!
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I ran out of popcorn. :grin:
MK7PP here from an Edition30. The new tech on the 7.5 is pretty nazzy and admit to be jealous of the larger pipes but I don't consider mine outdated until the MK8 arrives. Then I'll probably upgrade. However if I,m buying my FIRST GTI this month then I would,nt consider the MK7.
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Even the Mk8 will be evolution rather than revolution.
It will look cosmetically different but in terms of driving experience, probably won't actually be much better, if at all.
It remains to be seen if they will even make a true pure petrol performance model, likely as not all of the engines will be 48v mild hybrid with the associated weight gain.
However, desirability on resale and the resultant price and success of sale is always better when you are closer to the current model and not a Mk4.
Besides, as I said, I'd take a new car over a secondhand one every time - I don't want someone else's farts in my upholstery :D
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I plan to wait for the mk8.5 before upgrading :grin: :laugh: :whistle:
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Hey all ..some super comments and all valid ...end of the day its down personal preference and as i said 7 - 7.5 or PP all unique and amazing little hatches!
Interesting comment on the pedal box...Ive read they would have to dig pretty deep to find any traces of it....spoke to another remap guy today who said just do a stage 1 and when car needs to go in flash the original back...but its just not worth the risk ...pedalbox seems "safer" option ...
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spoke to another remap guy today who said just do a stage 1 and when car needs to go in flash the original back...but its just not worth the risk ...pedalbox seems "safer" option ...
There are still tuners out there that sell the "flash back to stock and you're good" story? :huh:
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I know right !! bet if i asked them to sign a letter stating the fat and assuming any costs associated :whistle: they would say the same :)
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Yes there are still some that will say anything to get a sale. Under-promise and over-deliver is the way it should be done.
If they're that confident in what they're selling they'll include a warranty themselves that's equal to or better than the part of the manufacturers warranty they're potentially going to invalidate.
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One great thing about the 7.5 GTi is that you can get it with Bresia wheels. They look so amazing in real life and really suit the car so well. I wasn't bowled over with the pics but now I see them I'm so glad I upgraded.
.........pedal box seem a no brainer for 150 quid ...no additional power but instant throttle and again reviews on here are amazing with basically no warranty concerns....thoughts ?
Not sure that's the case. I'm reading on some other (non-VW) forums that dealers are detecting readings in the ECU from a pedal box. Whether or not that affects the warranty.....who knows. Unless you're prepared to fight the dealer legally they can just point to the warranty statement about modifications.
I'm thinking of fessing up to my dealer as I've only been running the pedal box for a short time. I figure if it's OK, then no stress. However if they insist it voids my warranty it is probably early enough to ditch the pedal box and save my warranty, as I have a good relationship with my service manager. I'm keen to keep it that way.
Further to the warranty question with a pedal box, I called into my dealer today and had a chat with the service manager.
His opinion was that the pedal box would not affect the vehicle's warranty in any way. Keep in mind that this was a verbal opinion (not in writing) and that your dealer may have a different opinion. But I'm happy that I can continue to use the pedal box without stressing about my warranty. As I said, it pays to maintain a good relationship with your service manager. :wink:
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And hope that service manager doesn’t move on a week before you have a warranty claim!!
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One great thing about the 7.5 GTi is that you can get it with Bresia wheels. They look so amazing in real life and really suit the car so well. I wasn't bowled over with the pics but now I see them I'm so glad I upgraded.
.........pedal box seem a no brainer for 150 quid ...no additional power but instant throttle and again reviews on here are amazing with basically no warranty concerns....thoughts ?
Not sure that's the case. I'm reading on some other (non-VW) forums that dealers are detecting readings in the ECU from a pedal box. Whether or not that affects the warranty.....who knows. Unless you're prepared to fight the dealer legally they can just point to the warranty statement about modifications.
I'm thinking of fessing up to my dealer as I've only been running the pedal box for a short time. I figure if it's OK, then no stress. However if they insist it voids my warranty it is probably early enough to ditch the pedal box and save my warranty, as I have a good relationship with my service manager. I'm keen to keep it that way.
Further to the warranty question with a pedal box, I called into my dealer today and had a chat with the service manager.
His opinion was that the pedal box would not affect the vehicle's warranty in any way. Keep in mind that this was a verbal opinion (not in writing) and that your dealer may have a different opinion. But I'm happy that I can continue to use the pedal box without stressing about my warranty. As I said, it pays to maintain a good relationship with your service manager. :wink:
For me I'd rather know my rights and let them know it so they don't try to pull a fast one on the warranty.
I'm going to try Revo map on mine in the next month and if the ECU goes pop in the next 2.5 years of warranty that is left I'll just have to put up with the cost of it.
Btw anyone want to buy a DTUK box? :whistle:
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How much more is a lightly used Clubsport than a nearly new FL GTI or PP GTI?
If you're hung up on tech then the FL GTI is the only way to go but if you're after driving dynamics then the Clubsport is the one as they're coming down in price all the time.
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I'd either go FL GTI or Clubsport if I had that choice