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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: maxie on 21 November 2017, 16:54

Title: steering
Post by: maxie on 21 November 2017, 16:54
hi all, i've a question that i'd like to ask. is there any way to make the steering lighter (permanently) like with the mk5?  the reason i ask is because i'm a disabled driver and i'm finding it a bit too heavy. many thanks
Title: Re: steering
Post by: Watts on 21 November 2017, 17:11
Hi maxie, what mode do you have the car in? Sport makes the steering heavier so putting it in normal if not already will help. Or Individual where you can have the steering light but the engine in sport. Check the basics too like the tyre pressures are correct and wheel balancing/tracking all good.
Title: Re: steering
Post by: maxie on 21 November 2017, 17:26
Hi maxie, what mode do you have the car in? Sport makes the steering heavier so putting it in normal if not already will help. Or Individual where you can have the steering light but the engine in sport. Check the basics too like the tyre pressures are correct and wheel balancing/tracking all good.

i have it in indvidual but i have only normal or sport in the options for steering, and the normals too heavy unfortunately.  i've been on to the stealers and they said they can't do it... but they sain that on my mk5 :)
Title: Re: steering
Post by: itavaltalainen on 21 November 2017, 17:38
What mk7 do you have?
Not sure steering has a comfort mode that would make it even lighter... can check on my GTD and also have a look if it can be changed with VCDS if it's not in driving profile selection.
Title: Re: steering
Post by: itavaltalainen on 21 November 2017, 17:59
Found something in steering assist. Felt lighter in Comfort to me (normally have steering set to Sport)....

(https://image.ibb.co/dPWHV6/steering_assist_login_code.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/fCmUcm/steering_assist_selection.jpg)


I'll have another quick look and see if you can maybe unlock it somewhere so you can just choose it in driving profile selection as well.

Strike that - think only way is with VCDS in 44.
Title: Re: steering
Post by: maxie on 21 November 2017, 18:33
thanks guys, i have the 7.5 gti pp with the nav pro. when i go into my driver profile it only gives me normal/sport options. i'll try messing more later to try and get in comfort. thanks :)

Title: Re: steering
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 21 November 2017, 18:45
thanks guys, i have the 7.5 gti pp with the nav pro. when i go into my driver profile it only gives me normal/sport options. i'll try messing more later to try and get in comfort. thanks :)

What tyre pressure are you running and what tyres have you on it?
Title: Re: steering
Post by: itavaltalainen on 21 November 2017, 19:01
You'll need to change it with VCDS, might also work with VCP or OBD11.
Login with security access shown in first screenshot, then change characteristic from driving profile selection to comfort.

Can do for you if you're near me.
Title: Re: steering
Post by: maxie on 22 November 2017, 11:12
You'll need to change it with VCDS, might also work with VCP or OBD11.
Login with security access shown in first screenshot, then change characteristic from driving profile selection to comfort.

Can do for you if you're near me.

hiya,  well ive been through all the settings (i think) using the new infotainment system eco/normal etc and all steering modes just give two options normal sport. i'll give vw a ring to see if there should be a comfort option in there too.    thanks for the offer of doing it but you're a bit far from me... i'll push vw to sort it as they knew my limitations etc so fingers crossed. :)
Title: Re: steering
Post by: fredgroves on 22 November 2017, 12:23
Its not a setting normally available.... its in the system, but to enable it you need to use VCDS to tweek it. One of many I might add, if you read the VCDS thread you'll see your car is capable of all sorts of subtly different stuff to what it offers you in OEM form.

I've never heard of a VW dealer prepared to make VCDS changes, just warning you...

Might be quicker/cheaper to get OBD11 Pro and make the changes yourself

Title: Re: steering
Post by: itavaltalainen on 22 November 2017, 14:21
Where are you?
I am all over SE and Midlands with work.
Title: Re: steering
Post by: maxie on 22 November 2017, 17:40
Where are you?
I am all over SE and Midlands with work.

hiya, i live in stoke-on-trent.. i'm thinking about buying the obd11 pro then (hopefully) i'll be better off :)

just not sure what to get and where from.

my tyre pressures are good all checked today :)
Title: Re: steering
Post by: fredgroves on 22 November 2017, 17:49
Dongle and Pro sw, direct from the vendor.

Its the only way I think.
Title: Re: steering
Post by: maxie on 22 November 2017, 17:58
Dongle and Pro sw, direct from the vendor.

Its the only way I think.

thanks :)  i'll order...
(http://i68.tinypic.com/21mi52t.jpg)

i've just thought of a problem, i don't have a smart phone as mine is only used in emergencies so it's a 15 year old samsung.
Title: Re: steering
Post by: itavaltalainen on 22 November 2017, 18:59
That would be a problem indeed.

If you are after a VCDS cable and laptop to do the change I currently got one for sale, though admittedly that's quite a bit more:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/192363565095?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649



Title: Re: steering
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 22 November 2017, 19:03
Dongle and Pro sw, direct from the vendor.

Its the only way I think.

thanks :)  i'll order...
(http://i68.tinypic.com/21mi52t.jpg)

i've just thought of a problem, i don't have a smart phone as mine is only used in emergencies so it's a 15 year old samsung.

That gets me asking the question how good are you with tech? I'm in Solihull and have an OBDeleven pro so it might be easier to meet up and sort it out. Not sure about this week but next week I could do it.

That's providing that it can be done with OBDeleven that is as I don't have VCDS Also think of any other stuff you might want changing and I can sort it out at the same time.
Title: Re: steering
Post by: maxie on 22 November 2017, 21:57
Dongle and Pro sw, direct from the vendor.

Its the only way I think.

thanks :)  i'll order...
(http://i68.tinypic.com/21mi52t.jpg)

i've just thought of a problem, i don't have a smart phone as mine is only used in emergencies so it's a 15 year old samsung.

That gets me asking the question how good are you with tech? I'm in Solihull and have an OBDeleven pro so it might be easier to meet up and sort it out. Not sure about this week but next week I could do it.

That's providing that it can be done with OBDeleven that is as I don't have VCDS Also think of any other stuff you might want changing and I can sort it out at the same time.


yeah TBH i think it's a bad idea me trying to sort it as i'm a bit of a tech dummy anyways :( i think its only possible through vcds anyways. so i'll figure summut :)  thanks :)
Title: Re: steering
Post by: maxie on 23 November 2017, 11:11
so i've been searching the net and been in touch with vw head office and i should have comfort in the steering settings so i'm off to vw tomorrow to check it out :)
(http://i63.tinypic.com/2aankfa.jpg)

granted this is a CS with the other entertainment system but still the option is there unlike on mine... does anyone else have the comfort option in their individual settings? (gti pp 7.5) thanks.
Title: Re: steering
Post by: fredgroves on 23 November 2017, 11:25
Just been and checked my 7.5 GTD.... I have only normal and sport for steering in individual mode....
Title: Re: steering
Post by: maxie on 23 November 2017, 11:32
Just been and checked my 7.5 GTD.... I have only normal and sport for steering in individual mode....

thanks, apparently there should be a comfort settting so tbh not sure what's what.. :)
Title: Re: steering
Post by: fredgroves on 23 November 2017, 11:39
I *think* my Mk7 GTD had comfort for steering... I'd guess it was a 7.5 "feature" to not have it available in the menu now.

It's probably there buried in the software, but just not selectable now...
Title: Re: steering
Post by: itavaltalainen on 23 November 2017, 13:20
My 66 reg with DSG doesn't have a Comfort setting for steering.
Might be present with DCC.
Title: Re: steering
Post by: eatontrifles on 23 November 2017, 14:59
I have 7.5 with DCC and the steering modes available to select are Normal or Sport.
Title: Re: steering
Post by: I wanted a GTi on 23 November 2017, 17:37
Just comfort and sport in mine as well.
Title: Re: steering
Post by: maxie on 24 November 2017, 12:09
Found something in steering assist. Felt lighter in Comfort to me (normally have steering set to Sport)....

(https://image.ibb.co/dPWHV6/steering_assist_login_code.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/fCmUcm/steering_assist_selection.jpg)


I'll have another quick look and see if you can maybe unlock it somewhere so you can just choose it in driving profile selection as well.

Strike that - think only way is with VCDS in 44.

hiya,  hope you don't mind me asking but was this checked on a 7.5?
i've been to vw and bloke said there's nowt they can do even thiough the lady at vw said it should be doable..lol ? :( 

just had a phone call there now sending a technical query to vw :)
Title: Re: steering
Post by: fredgroves on 24 November 2017, 12:21
VWUK aren't always the most accurate source of info... there is plenty of info on this forum which they don't know.

Needs someone to actually check this out with VCDS on a 7.5...
Title: Re: steering
Post by: Exonian on 24 November 2017, 15:05
maxie, what air pressures do you run your tyres at?
Upping the pressures to a higher but still within tolerance level is a very simple way of making quite a difference to the steering feel.
Title: Re: steering
Post by: maxie on 24 November 2017, 17:34
maxie, what air pressures do you run your tyres at?
Upping the pressures to a higher but still within tolerance level is a very simple way of making quite a difference to the steering feel.

at the moment there between the lower and higher recomended preasure :) i might increase them a little though.

how far above the recomended preasure could i go?
Title: Re: steering
Post by: Exonian on 26 November 2017, 11:38
maxie, what air pressures do you run your tyres at?
Upping the pressures to a higher but still within tolerance level is a very simple way of making quite a difference to the steering feel.

at the moment there between the lower and higher recomended preasure :) i might increase them a little though.

how far above the recomended preasure could i go?

What's the max pressure for a fully loaded car?
I'd keep it well under that but you could go slightly above the half load figure.
Increase it 2psi front and 1psi rear then maybe that again if it doesn't start to feel a bit twitchy.
Bearing in mind the road surfaces aren't at their best right now it's not the ideal time to start exploring handling limits on the public roads with summer tyres fitted  :grin:
Title: Re: steering
Post by: itavaltalainen on 26 November 2017, 16:51
If there's someone friendly local to me with a mk7.5 I could scan their car and see if you can still do the mod in steering assist module like on my pre-FL GTD.
Title: Re: steering
Post by: maxie on 28 November 2017, 09:45
well i've had a reply from vw, apparentlyy i'm unable to have the lighter settings due to having parking assist fitted. i've asked now what if i have it dissabled.. wish i could just chat to the person myself instead of snippits from the unfortunate service ppl (having to listen to my moaning..lol.)   
Title: Re: steering
Post by: fredgroves on 28 November 2017, 09:52
I haven't got park assist... no comfort steering setting for me...
Title: Re: steering
Post by: maxie on 28 November 2017, 10:45
I haven't got park assist... no comfort steering setting for me...

true, but i think you'd be able to get it through vcds etc. but i can't because the programs will clash(i think) not 100% sure though.
Title: Re: steering
Post by: maxie on 01 December 2017, 09:29
had another phone call from vw about my last queery about getting rid of park assist so i can have lighter steering and the answers still no apparently.  so no lighter steering other than normal and sport (definately  no handicapped setting/ god i hate that word)  so i'll take it to get it checked out at a tuner shop with vcds just in case.. but after that if it's still a no go, it's either sell my beaut of an isaac blue ggti pp with lots of extras or change the steering rack at a cost of around 1k...  feeling a bit peed with vw atm..  :smiley:

(http://i67.tinypic.com/2l9ku1w.jpg)
Title: Re: steering
Post by: CocoPops on 01 December 2017, 09:38
Where are you based Maxie?
there must be a member close by with VCDS?
Title: Re: steering
Post by: maxie on 01 December 2017, 09:50
Where are you based Maxie?
there must be a member close by with VCDS?

i'm in stoke-on-trent, a guy offered from south oxfordshire but that's a bit far.. there's a garage a few miles down the road who i've spoken to who'll be able to check it out next week for me so it's ok.. granted it will cost me but i'm past  caring almost now. just want to know so i can move on :)
Title: Re: steering
Post by: Watts on 01 December 2017, 12:32
Where are you based Maxie?
there must be a member close by with VCDS?

i'm in stoke-on-trent, a guy offered from south oxfordshire but that's a bit far.. there's a garage a few miles down the road who i've spoken to who'll be able to check it out next week for me so it's ok.. granted it will cost me but i'm past  caring almost now. just want to know so i can move on :)

Hope you get it sorted maxie :smiley:
Title: Re: steering
Post by: maxie on 16 December 2017, 10:34
well i took it to a local garage and the bloke tried changing it to comfort but it came up as an error although it is changed on his cpu.. but unfortunately it doesn't seem to of helped.  i've now wrote an email to vw customer services germany but ive had no  reply as of yet. i'll wait a few more days then i'll reword it and try again :)  i've also contacted vw uk again and they've now esscalated the matter..
Title: Re: steering
Post by: maxie on 25 December 2017, 19:53
well i've had a reply from germany, they say speak to uk vw. so i did, theyre saying nothing can be done(my arse) the reason i say this is because ive been speaking to a guy who works at a vw garage and he says
 "I work for VW at a dealer and can advise that the electrosteering can be adapated to be lighter via downloaded map files to the steering ECU, you may have to contact motability for the authorisation for this to be done but it seems you havent been directed to the correct people for the help you need, contact your local dealer and ask if you can have the steering remapped for disability and that will get the ball rolling.. hope this helps?"

the problem is vw have closed my complaint, but i guess i'll be opening another... fingers crossed :)

:) merry christmas :)