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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Bigbeemer on 18 November 2017, 16:03
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My new GTI PP was nearly stolen by breaking into my home for the keyless entry keys. Lucky it's still here but looking at deterrent to stop it going off my drive. Looking at fitting a foldable or telescopic security post or anybody get any other suggestions please?
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i was thinking of getting one of these.
http://www.securitybollardsdirect.co.uk/security-bollards.html
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Anti snap locks. Home Alarm. Both I invested in after my GTI was stolen. Then Revo stage 1. That has the anti theft mode. Its the only thing waiting for my PP to properly ease my mind. They can get the keys but without the box the car won't move.
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I haven’t even got mine yet, I’ve now added anti snap, anti bump etc barrels, anti snap handles.
Also added Arlo CCTV. Taken it as a real opportunity to look at home security before the event rather than after.
Thankfully I’m not keyless entry, else that would be something else to worry about, with the boosters etc.
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A good house alarm is important, I'm not a fan of Upvc doors due to the vulnerable panels, a good quality composite is better with high security handles and cylinder. Bollards will slow them down but if they get in the house for the car keys they will also get the keys to the bollards. You could secure the car with an Autowatch Ghost.
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I'll be getting Autowatch Ghost fitted when my R arrives. Even if they get the keys they need a code to start the car
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i was thinking of getting one of these.
http://www.securitybollardsdirect.co.uk/security-bollards.html
I got one of those maxie, the telescopic one, as one of my added deterrents after Gti stolen. Fitter did a really professional job and bollard is easy to use, only left it up once by accident!
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Moving soon and old couple selling had an alarm system fitted with a national firm recently. They must have upsold them every system extra as the house is like Fort Knox . Window opens alarm makes a noise,back door opens, different alarm note, pads under carpets and so on ! I was going to disable it as thought would send me nuts .But having read the above thread will leave as is ps it cost a fortune !!
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Moving soon and old couple selling had an alarm system fitted with a national firm recently. They must have upsold them every system extra as the house is like Fort Knox . Window opens alarm makes a noise,back door opens, different alarm note, pads under carpets and so on ! I was going to disable it as thought would send me nuts .But having read the above thread will leave as is ps it cost a fortune !!
I would definitely keep it.
My house was built 13 years ago on a smallish estate of about 50 houses. All the houses have a good alarm, steel faced front doors with good locks and decent quality windows. There was one break in on the estate after a year or so of moving in and none since. I think word must of got around that there are easier houses to target
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Sash jammers on your windows Laminated glass, anti drill bump and snap cylinders, extra security for Patio doors especially if they slide on the outside. Composite front door with dog bolts
Monitored alarm system with Master Blaster Sirens Cctv and security lights Retractable security bollard
And if you electric box is outside put a contact sensor on or better still fit a steel cover with security keys
Have been broken into before and two cars stolen whilst on holiday - not a nice feeling
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I live in Scotland where car theft is quite low compared to England and Wales.Most theft round these parts is done when a second car is on the drive and no one is home.Breaking in and stealing the keys.
It's very rare to hear of a theft when someone is in the house (sleeping).
I would take the keys to a second car to work with me.Upgraded locks and an alarm.
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I think we must be on a list somewhere as having had two cars stolen over 4 years ago, 5 weeks after getting my Golf they were at it again. Thankfully I disturbed him and he legged it off down the road with a fair few expletives ringing in his ear!
Get something to store your keys in (we use a metal key box) that is out of sight and if you use an additional security device in the car (disklock type thing) store the keys for that somewhere else (another room perhaps).
You could also de-badge the car and get some 15" steel wheels :laugh:
Oh, and don't have nightmares :evil:
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As above i recommend anti snap locks, house alarm, sash jammers for windows and patio doors, keys out of site etc and good outside security lighting.
What i will say is, if they've got past all of that, leave the keys for them to easily find, as they will be coming upstairs and into yours or your kids bedrooms. Thats a situation i would rather not be in.
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My latest GTI is keyless.
If the keys are wrapped in kitchen foil they won’t work even if held virtually on the door handles. Tried this with a small empty sweet tin. Again perfect blocking ....even when sittting in the car.
So for the price of a tin of sweets you can foil the signal relay operators. Not much but it’s an effective low cost start.
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My latest GTI is keyless.
If the keys are wrapped in kitchen foil they won’t work even if held virtually on the door handles. Tried this with a small empty sweet tin. Again perfect blocking ....even when sittting in the car.
So for the price of a tin of sweets you can foil the signal relay operators. Not much but it’s an effective low cost start.
I tin foil my pockets. :whistle:
(https://s5.postimg.org/49rud2klj/20171025_174117.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/kkry9dx37/)
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A good house alarm is important, I'm not a fan of Upvc doors due to the vulnerable panels, a good quality composite is better with high security handles and cylinder. Bollards will slow them down but if they get in the house for the car keys they will also get the keys to the bollards. You could secure the car with an Autowatch Ghost.
That Ghost looks very effective. I guess depending on how much they want it would they come back in the house if you were upstairs, probably a very small likelihood.
For £400 looks better value than trying make your house like fort knox!
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My thoughts on the ghost products and alike are if the scumbags are in my house, what makes you think they wont drag you out of bed for the code?
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My thoughts on the ghost products and alike are if the scumbags are in my house, what makes you think they wont drag you out of bed for the code?
By which time you’ve called the police, like they will want to hang about to get the code...
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I'm sure the Ghost is good for what it is, but it's not a substitute for a secure house. If you're going to get one it should be as well as rather than instead of. If the thieving feckers are determined enough get past a burglar alarm, the composite front and rear doors, the upgraded locks etc, chances are they're not shy and i'd much rather they took the car before they threaten me or my family.
Risking it on whether or not they'll come back for the code is a dangerous game given you cannot predict how quickly the police will respond. If they're there in 2 minutes then great, but if it takes them 20 minutes that will probably be too late.
Make it a big struggle for them to get in, but if they manage to then don't give them another decision to make before they leave.
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We benefit from having to park in the street. The baddies would have to try around 80 houses to find the key!
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We benefit from having to park in the street. The baddies would have to try around 80 houses to find the key!
Seems to be the strategy of choice where my brother lives. There are cars in his street from 2 and 3 blocks away.
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As others have said upgraded locks and alarm and consider safes/key safes and some CCTV
If you doors have euro cylinders then I would invest in some platinum 3 star ones
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I'd rather them just take the bloody car rather than be confronted by a gang of thieves in my bedroom during the night.
Mine has a tracker and most of the time they would try & hide a car for a few days after stealing it - by that time I'd hoped to have had the car recovered anyway. If not, then it's just a car that can be replaced. Massively inconvenient of course, but it depends if you value your families safety more - which I do.
My current Mk 7 is keyless and my new 7.5 due in the next week or two is not as I didn't spec it which is something I am VERY happy about & won't miss.
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Just seen this on the BBC site.' Relay crime' theft caught on camera.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-42132804/relay-crime-theft-caught-on-camera
Shocking stuff.Gone in (less) than 60 seconds! :cry: I'm going to get one of those Faraday cage things.They seem like the only thing to stop these people stealing your car using this method.
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I have a Faraday pouch. You must make sure it's a genuine product with the flap sealing the pouch otherwise the keyfob is not isolated.
I've tested it with key fobs & phones and it works.
However, a determined thief will simply break into your house during the night & threaten you and your kids until they get the keys if they want the car that badly.
Most thieves want to keep it simple and take the car without you knowing which is why it's so easy for them to do so with relatively inexpensive technology.
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Just seen this on the BBC site.' Relay crime' theft caught on camera.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-42132804/relay-crime-theft-caught-on-camera
Shocking stuff.Gone in (less) than 60 seconds! :cry: I'm going to get one of those Faraday cage things.They seem like the only thing to stop these people stealing your car using this method.
That's only a few miles from me.
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Here's a thing - most houses have more than 1 car (mine has) and both 'er indoors car and mine are keyless (we like to live dangerously) so would have 4 sets of keys to store. Therefore would we be better getting something like...
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Black-Emergency-Sweets-Metal-Storage/dp/B06XR93VCY/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1511790556&sr=8-10&keywords=sweet+tin (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Black-Emergency-Sweets-Metal-Storage/dp/B06XR93VCY/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1511790556&sr=8-10&keywords=sweet+tin)
It should do the faraday cage thing (as it's a metal box) and you'll get more than 1 key in it?
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A metal tin like that to store the car keys is what I've done. Don't forget to wrap your spare in tinfoil as well.
I've also got an additional immobilizer, which is what stopped my car from being stolen a few weeks ago after we got broken into.
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Additional immobiliser? Ghost?
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Here's a thing - most houses have more than 1 car (mine has) and both 'er indoors car and mine are keyless (we like to live dangerously) so would have 4 sets of keys to store. Therefore would we be better getting something like...
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Black-Emergency-Sweets-Metal-Storage/dp/B06XR93VCY/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1511790556&sr=8-10&keywords=sweet+tin (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Black-Emergency-Sweets-Metal-Storage/dp/B06XR93VCY/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1511790556&sr=8-10&keywords=sweet+tin)
It should do the faraday cage thing (as it's a metal box) and you'll get more than 1 key in it?
What we do is myself and my wife keep a key for each car and that way when we are out there are no keys inside. Was a bit of a pain when we had 3 cars between us but the recession put paid to that.
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It's difficult to combat the threat of someone breaking into your house to steal keys without turning your house into a bit of a fortress, but a faraday bag and a proper Disklok will certainly deter a thief with a signal extender device.
I now put my key into a faraday bag when I go to the gym or nip to the shops. It takes 2 seconds and gives you added peace of mind.
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There are lots of things a criminal COULD do, but most have a single MO and few want to confront you. Most want to execute the theft unseen to reduce chances of getting caught.
Obviously they could go full Reservoir Dogs on you, but its highly unlikely for a Golf...
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I have a Faraday pouch. You must make sure it's a genuine product with the flap sealing the pouch otherwise the keyfob is not isolated.
I've tested it with key fobs & phones and it works.
However, a determined thief will simply break into your house during the night & threaten you and your kids until they get the keys if they want the car that badly.
Most thieves want to keep it simple and take the car without you knowing which is why it's so easy for them to do so with relatively inexpensive technology.
Been reading more about this tonight.The kit to relay the signal only costs about £80.It's already rife in the US and Germany.Now taking off here.
Went out tonight with the key wrapped in tin-foil and it wouldn't open.So even though it's quiet around here the pouch is still a cheap deterrent. :smiley:
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It's difficult to combat the threat of someone breaking into your house to steal keys without turning your house into a bit of a fortress, but a faraday bag and a proper Disklok will certainly deter a thief with a signal extender device.
I now put my key into a faraday bag when I go to the gym or nip to the shops. It takes 2 seconds and gives you added peace of mind.
Wouldn't it be fantastic if VW had provided an on/off signal button on the remote?.Too easy i suppose. :sad:
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It's difficult to combat the threat of someone breaking into your house to steal keys without turning your house into a bit of a fortress, but a faraday bag and a proper Disklok will certainly deter a thief with a signal extender device.
I now put my key into a faraday bag when I go to the gym or nip to the shops. It takes 2 seconds and gives you added peace of mind.
Wouldn't it be fantastic if VW had provided an on/off signal button on the remote?.Too easy i suppose. :sad:
Exactly.
You would think the manufacturers will have to come up with a cure for this quick smart. Otherwise it will spell the end of keyless entry - at least using the current method.
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There is a small tweak they could do, which is to reduce the validity time of the key sequence to make it impossible for it to travel further than it is intended.
It does have a validity timeout, but its too long and therefore allows for quite long range amplification.
However, there is no way VW are going to do this, not unless someone big gets shirty with them - eg the EU or 1000 Americans in a class action.
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I'm wondering if the unlocking bit of keyless can be turned off with OBDeleven so only the starting bit will work?
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And use the emergency key thing only instead?
I wonder if the normal remote key from non-keyless can be used? ie does the car still have that hardware in it? If so, you could get a keyfob and code it?
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And use the emergency key thing only instead?
I wonder if the normal remote key from non-keyless can be used? ie does the car still have that hardware in it? If so, you could get a keyfob and code it?
No I mean use the key fob buttons to lock and unlock the car and the keyless part only work when the car is unlocked.
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I purchased this pouch for £6.49 for my keys. Works well. I put them in the pouch and tried to open the car and it blocked it! Also blocks mobile phones.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B071NFX24Q/ (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B071NFX24Q/)
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And use the emergency key thing only instead?
I wonder if the normal remote key from non-keyless can be used? ie does the car still have that hardware in it? If so, you could get a keyfob and code it?
No I mean use the key fob buttons to lock and unlock the car and the keyless part only work when the car is unlocked.
Does keyless also have lock and unlock buttons? I have never seen one...
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And use the emergency key thing only instead?
I wonder if the normal remote key from non-keyless can be used? ie does the car still have that hardware in it? If so, you could get a keyfob and code it?
No I mean use the key fob buttons to lock and unlock the car and the keyless part only work when the car is unlocked.
Does keyless also have lock and unlock buttons? I have never seen one...
The keyfob is exactly the same whether the car is keyless or not.
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Should be possible to disable the proximity unlock function then...
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Should be possible to disable the proximity unlock function then...
I shall look into it later with my trusty OBDeleven. Be prepared for a thread starting later titled I've fecked up and can start my car :whistle:
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Should be possible to disable the proximity unlock function then...
I shall look into it later with my trusty OBDeleven. Be prepared for a thread starting later titled I've fecked up and can start my car :whistle:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Should be possible to disable the proximity unlock function then...
I shall look into it later with my trusty OBDeleven. Be prepared for a thread starting later titled I've fecked up and can start my car :whistle:
A little bit of Google-fu suggests "disconnect Kessy module (ID 05) from installation, DISABLE in gateway"
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Should be possible to disable the proximity unlock function then...
I shall look into it later with my trusty OBDeleven. Be prepared for a thread starting later titled I've fecked up and can start my car :whistle:
A little bit of Google-fu suggests "disconnect Kessy module (ID 05) from installation, DISABLE in gateway"
Cheers
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Have a look here if you want a walk through of how to turn keyless off.
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=282638.0