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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Bungle009 on 01 November 2017, 13:34
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Hi,
Im looking for a useable car that can also handle the odd track day. My Mk7 Gti PP is not ideal, as its too soft & the leather doesnt grip you in the corners.
So decided a Clubsport with DCC & Sticky Cup 2's might be a good upgrade, particularly as I understand the Clubsports use the High output version of the EA888 (GTX38 turbo rather than 28?) so power can be easily and safely modified to 350 bhp++++
So my question is do the clubsports have the same lengthy gearing as the standard GTi as it is a little too long in my opinion, and the manual golf R runs a shorter final drive, and therefore is better suited to a sporty car. I think the R runs about 26mph/1000 rpm, as opposed to around 29 in the GTi/Gti PP
Thanks,
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The gearing in my Clubsport S is very well judged. It certainly doesn’t need to be any shorter. The midrange is huge so you just hold onto gears longer, shifting all the time actually slows progress.
I wouldn’t be wanting 350bhp in it though. I think any more power would make it worse and the cooling etc would need upgrading
My mk6 gti with system and remap oil temp used to sit between 85-100. My Clubsport S sits between 100-110 degrees under normal driving.
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I have no actual information regarding the CS/CSS manual gearbox ratios but given that they use the same engine as the R, I would imagine it's more possible to have the R's gearing as well, as opposed to the GTI PP but that's just speculation. Would be interesting if someone came up with the actual data.
Regarding the rest of your message, CS/CSS/R turbo is the IS38 as opposed to IS20 in the GTI PP though there are differences on the engine internals as well and not just a bigger turbo between them: Different pistons, cylinder head, exhaust valve seat rings, exhaust camshaft, piston cooling jets, high pressure injectors, high performance main radiator.
I guess it's also down to those differences that these engines can see up to 500bhp on stock internals. A stage 1 with around 360-370bhp and no hardware upgrades at all is perfectly fine from stress and cooling point of views. To answer mkviken's point about the oil temp, the EA888 gen3 has a much more advanced oil management system and those temps are normal, no point comparing to previous gens. The car tends to stay within a smaller temp range no matter the driving conditions. My 2011 1.4 TSI motor would sit at 90, climb as high as 115 after hard use and in general fluctuate a lot. The Clubsport sits at around 105 under fully normal use and only goes up 5 degrees at most. Even on track it never went more than 118 iirc. There are no cooling worries until after stage 2 or if you are doing frequent track driving.
Also, the chassis (speaking of the standard Clubsport here) is good enough to handle the extra power no problem, at least for a stage 1 I can testify that it doesn't ruin anything in the dynamics of the car, unless of course for the fact that the first gear is unusable and 2nd still needs caution which are worries if your do drag races but not on the track or public road. But the diff is a beast and it doesn't sweat at all with the extra torque.
I bought the CS as our family driver and the car I'll take to the track a few times per year and it hasn't disappointed in either role.
PS. Only because you mentioned something about leather not gripping you well in the corners: Go for one with the Recaro's, they're an amazing seat. Top grip and most comfortable seat I've sat on since a very long time, don't ask me how it's possible.
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VW MK7.5 gearboxes info
6 speed 02Q FWD with front diff lock (VAQ)
Code SAK (180kw engine)
Final drive I = 69:20
Final drive II = 69:25
6 speed 02Q FWD with front diff lock (VAQ)
Code SQV (195kw engine)
Final drive I = 71:18
Final drive II = 71:23
6 speed 02Q "R"
Code SQV & PNS (228kw engine)
Final drive I = 71:18
Final drive II = 71:23
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VW MK7.5 gearboxes info
6 speed 02Q FWD with front diff lock (VAQ)
Code SAK (180kw engine)
Final drive I = 69:20
Final drive II = 69:25
6 speed 02Q FWD with front diff lock (VAQ)
Code SQV (195kw engine)
Final drive I = 71:18
Final drive II = 71:23
6 speed 02Q "R"
Code SQV & PNS (228kw engine)
Final drive I = 71:18
Final drive II = 71:23
Which MK7.5 has a 195kw engine? I assume that's the (MK7) CS gearbox you are referring to?
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VW MK7.5 gearboxes info
6 speed 02Q FWD with front diff lock (VAQ)
Code SAK (180kw engine)
Final drive I = 69:20
Final drive II = 69:25
6 speed 02Q FWD with front diff lock (VAQ)
Code SQV (195kw engine)
Final drive I = 71:18
Final drive II = 71:23
6 speed 02Q "R"
Code SQV & PNS (228kw engine)
Final drive I = 71:18
Final drive II = 71:23
Which MK7.5 has a 195kw engine? I assume that's the (MK7) CS gearbox you are referring to?
Which in turn would confirm the CS runs the same ratios as the R?
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VW MK7.5 gearboxes info
6 speed 02Q FWD with front diff lock (VAQ)
Code SAK (180kw engine)
Final drive I = 69:20
Final drive II = 69:25
6 speed 02Q FWD with front diff lock (VAQ)
Code SQV (195kw engine)
Final drive I = 71:18
Final drive II = 71:23
6 speed 02Q "R"
Code SQV & PNS (228kw engine)
Final drive I = 71:18
Final drive II = 71:23
Have you find the same for the 7speed DSGDQ381 also in the GTI PP?! I have looking for that .. :smiley:
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Which MK7.5 has a 195kw engine? I assume that's the (MK7) CS gearbox you are referring to?
The manuals don't state trim spec, only engine output....
The funny thing is that the "R" gearbox manual has front wheel drive printed on it...which does not make sense, but then again its not the first time these manuals have been copy & pasted wrongly....by VW
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Have you find the same for the 7speed DSGDQ381 also in the GTI PP?! I have looking for that .. :smiley:
6 speed 0D9 AWD
Code PUR, QSP (221 & 215kw engine)
6th gear = 35:44
Final drive = 71:17
all Z2:Z1
the listing for VAQ & the GTI doesn't state the ratios but uses the same type (09D)....so the above is all the info I have..
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Thats great. Thanks for all the info :smiley:
So it does look like it has the slightly closer packed ratios. Now to find a car with DCC....
I will go for a low torque stage 1 tune (APR or Revo). Is the clutch better in the CS than the regular PP Gti as i know they are prone to slipping when tuned.
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Thats great. Thanks for all the info :smiley:
So it does look like it has the slightly closer packed ratios. Now to find a car with DCC....
I will go for a low torque stage 1 tune (APR or Revo). Is the clutch better in the CS than the regular PP Gti as i know they are prone to slipping when tuned.
Considering manual R's also suffer from clutch slippage I guess no. I was always going to go for DSG based on my experience with them but reports of clutch slipping even at stage 1 levels was what put me off even considering a manual.