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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Arran on 11 October 2017, 05:21
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Hello all.
I hope I have posted this thread in the correct place but I would very much appreciate your views on the following.
I’m very close to swapping my Polo Blue GT in for a manual Mk7.5 GTD 5 door in white silver. The car I am looking at is a pre-reg registered in June 2017 with 6 miles on the clock from a VW dealer.
The deal on offer is part exchanging my car and just under £14,322 to change and includes Lifeshine (is this any good?) mats, service pack and a full tank of fuel. I’m being offered near on the top money for my Polo (£9100).
I have never owned a diesel but having driven a Mk7.5 GTD (DSG) I really enjoyed the low down torque. I’m terms of insurance, tax and overal running costs they also seem to look very reasonable for the package on offer.
My concerns however is that I’m currently in between jobs and if my daily commute turns out to be minimal would having a diesel turn out to be a mistake? There also seems to be negative press around diesel cars currently therefore could this impact residual value?
Whilst I would love a GTI the cost to purchase the car is 3k more and overall running costs would be significantly more especially if I end up with a long commute to work.
Any help or advice would be very much appreciated.
Arran
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Life is to short, if you are going to keep being employed and can afford the repayments then i personally would worry about buying a gtd, i have a gti currently but have had the gtd too and it was fantastic to drive. If i remember rightly i was getting about 45 mpg on average so if you can live with that, i may be incorrect but I was told that as long as your journey is at least 10 /15 mins long the gtd will be fine....hope this helps and good luck.
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What other extras does the car have? I wouldn't be allowing the dealership to apply the Lifeshine as the paintwork will more than likely be worse after. Mats are free as standard on a gtd anyway and I'd be checking to see if the service pack is free as part of the finance. Could turn out that 50 quid is all they are giving you in way of a tank of fuel.
I did 3 miles to work and back in a gtd and car was perfect from day 1.
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Life is to short, if you are going to keep being employed and can afford the repayments then i personally would worry about buying a gtd, i have a gti currently but have had the gtd too and it was fantastic to drive. If i remember rightly i was getting about 45 mpg on average so if you can live with that, i may be incorrect but I was told that as long as your journey is at least 10 /15 mins long the gtd will be fine....hope this helps and good luck.
Thanks for the advice.
:smiley:
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If I was in between jobs, I wouldn't be looking to spend 14k on a car when I already had one that is fairly decent...
Just my advice from a straight talking, penny pinching Yorkshireman
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If I was in between jobs, I wouldn't be looking to spend 14k on a car when I already had one that is fairly decent...
Just my advice from a straight talking, penny pinching Yorkshireman
Thanks for the input, appreciate your thoughts.
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What other extras does the car have? I wouldn't be allowing the dealership to apply the Lifeshine as the paintwork will more than likely be worse after. Mats are free as standard on a gtd anyway and I'd be checking to see if the service pack is free as part of the finance. Could turn out that 50 quid is all they are giving you in way of a tank of fuel.
I did 3 miles to work and back in a gtd and car was perfect from day 1.
The car is a standard 5 door GTD in white silver. My understanding is that most options are standard anyway on the GTD?
Having looked into the Lifeshine I agree that’s a no go on the paintwork. Although wouldn’t mind it on the interior and glass.
The the car is up at £23500. The dealer has said the service plan is on condition of the finance being utilised.
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If I was in between jobs, I wouldn't be looking to spend 14k on a car when I already had one that is fairly decent...
Just my advice from a straight talking, penny pinching Yorkshireman
Me neither. And I'm a consumerist Londoner :smiley:
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My wife is on her second Blue GT and it's an absolute hoot and great fun with a cracking engine. TBH, driven sensibly her MPG isn't a million miles away from my GTD.
I'd say keep the Polo.
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If I was in between jobs, I wouldn't be looking to spend 14k on a car when I already had one that is fairly decent...
Just my advice from a straight talking, penny pinching Yorkshireman
Me neither. And I'm a consumerist Londoner :smiley:
Nor me; I’d keep the Polo for now, unless I absolutely needed a larger car right now. The Golf isn’t exactly a rare car, so there’ll always be a plentiful supply around to choose from if you wait until you’re no longer between jobs. When you’re back in work, you might then be able to get the GTI which is what you’ve said you’d love to have.
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Assuming the OP is able to decide for themselves whether now is a good time to buy or not :rolleyes:, the price is not particularly keen unless there are extras we are unaware of. For £23350 you can get a brand new White Silver 5dr GTD manual on drive the deal although servicing for 2 years would be £149 extra.
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Assuming the OP is able to decide for themselves whether now is a good time to buy or not :rolleyes:, the price is not particularly keen unless there are extras we are unaware of. For £23350 you can get a brand new White Silver 5dr GTD manual on drive the deal although servicing for 2 years would be £149 extra.
Thanks will check this out.
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Assuming the OP is able to decide for themselves whether now is a good time to buy or not :rolleyes:, the price is not particularly keen unless there are extras we are unaware of. For £23350 you can get a brand new White Silver 5dr GTD manual on drive the deal although servicing for 2 years would be £149 extra.
Thanks will check this out.
I have just been quoted £24,462 for the same spec.
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Assuming the OP is able to decide for themselves whether now is a good time to buy or not :rolleyes:, the price is not particularly keen unless there are extras we are unaware of. For £23350 you can get a brand new White Silver 5dr GTD manual on drive the deal although servicing for 2 years would be £149 extra.
Thanks will check this out.
I have just been quoted £24,462 for the same spec.
That difference is probably the DSG?
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Assuming the OP is able to decide for themselves whether now is a good time to buy or not :rolleyes:, the price is not particularly keen unless there are extras we are unaware of. For £23350 you can get a brand new White Silver 5dr GTD manual on drive the deal although servicing for 2 years would be £149 extra.
Thanks will check this out.
I have just been quoted £24,462 for the same spec.
Strange, must be my eyesight, £24346.12. Perhaps the one you've seen is better value than I thought unless you are financing then the difference may not be worth it. Also, you can take a 5 year manufacturer warranty on a new one, pretty sure with used you have to add it annually when the 3 years expires and for less cover. But you will exclude the long painfull wait too which is why I went for nearly new.
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Every time I go on holiday, I try to hire a Polo.
Cracking little cars that pretty well do everything you could ask if you dry like a normal person.
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As an old fart I'll have to agree with the tight arse northerners and consumerist Londoners in that I'd want to make sure I had a job before committing to buying a depreciating asset with an engine that is currently seen as the next worst thing next to North Korean presidents and North American presidents.
With a nod of the head from the right people car trends can suddenly change. A few years ago Diesels were seen as the answer to all the world's problems and were thus rated at zero road tax and the promise of eternal life if you bought one. Current political brainwashing is that Diesels are the equal of war crimes and mass murder and they'll give you lots of money to part exchange them against petrol cars that were the spawn of the devil a few years ago. Petrol cars now only emit fairy dust from their tailpipes and are the current saviour of the world, until they sort out electric cars batteries that will allow you to drive up more than three hills before they need pushing to the nearest wall socket. At that point electric cars will be the saviour of the world and nuclear power stations also run on fairy dust.
There will never be a shortage of lightly used GTD's on dealer forecourts until owning a Diesel grants you automatic status of having to sit in the village stocks for two weeks.
Wait until you've got a decent job and then buy a GTI.
Polo Blue GT's will always fetch a decent part ex price as they're very easy for dealers to sell on again. Well, I say always, in 20 years time they'll maybe not be worth very much depending on whether they've disintegrated or not. But if you've still not got a job in 20 years then that'll be the least of your worries and you'll be glad that you didn't waste £14k on a GTD that depreciated like a stone falling down a waterfall...
Then again, driving around in a GTD while you don't have a job would also be quite nice as it means you won't just be using it to sit in a traffic jam on the way to a job you hate and then back home again while you dream of retiring to somewhere sunny.
Toss a coin for it. :whistle:
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As an old fart I'll have to agree with the tight arse northerners and consumerist Londoners in that I'd want to make sure I had a job before committing to buying a depreciating asset with an engine that is currently seen as the next worst thing next to North Korean presidents and North American presidents.
With a nod of the head from the right people car trends can suddenly change. A few years ago Diesels were seen as the answer to all the world's problems and were thus rated at zero road tax and the promise of eternal life if you bought one. Current political brainwashing is that Diesels are the equal of war crimes and mass murder and they'll give you lots of money to part exchange them against petrol cars that were the spawn of the devil a few years ago. Petrol cars now only emit fairy dust from their tailpipes and are the current saviour of the world, until they sort out electric cars batteries that will allow you to drive up more than three hills before they need pushing to the nearest wall socket. At that point electric cars will be the saviour of the world and nuclear power stations also run on fairy dust.
There will never be a shortage of lightly used GTD's on dealer forecourts until owning a Diesel grants you automatic status of having to sit in the village stocks for two weeks.
Wait until you've got a decent job and then buy a GTI.
Polo Blue GT's will always fetch a decent part ex price as they're very easy for dealers to sell on again. Well, I say always, in 20 years time they'll maybe not be worth very much depending on whether they've disintegrated or not. But if you've still not got a job in 20 years then that'll be the least of your worries and you'll be glad that you didn't waste £14k on a GTD that depreciated like a stone falling down a waterfall...
Then again, driving around in a GTD while you don't have a job would also be quite nice as it means you won't just be using it to sit in a traffic jam on the way to a job you hate and then back home again while you dream of retiring to somewhere sunny.
Toss a coin for it. :whistle:
Thanks :smiley:
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Off topic but I have just been offered a brand new unregistered Mini Copper S with the Chili and Media XL packs, rear parking sensors, metallic Thunder Grey paint, electric mirrors and 3 years servicing for a tad over £10,000 to change.
Approeciate a completely different car.
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Yeah thats about a 20k car list, as opposed to a ~30k car.
My suggestion - drive one for an extended test drive.... I can assure you that its nothing like a Golf in almost every way. Unless its the Cooper S where you might have some fun, but everything else is IMHO horrible - particularly the bloody offset peddles and naff driving position!!!
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After that post, I've got to add my voice to those saying wait to see where you are, before committing to a big purchase. Seems like you've got itchy feet and, if that's right, you may end up making a rash (and wrong!) decision. As above, the car you have is not half bad, so surely making do for a while, until you know exactly what you need/want/can afford wouldn't be too difficult.
Hate to be boring, but in your situation I think boring is best.
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How old / what mileage / spec. is your Blue GT?
I sold mine in August and got £12,125 for it in a private sale. It was a 5dr manual with 24K miles and was 2.5 years old. Had loads of extras (xenons, climate, heated seats, sat nav, etc.) but needed two new tyres and a repair to one of the alloys (not desperate, but result of parking by touch).
Got quite a lot of calls for it too.
It was a good car and capable of some decent mpg figures (long term average was about 45 according to read-out), but my new Golf GTi PP 7.5 is a much more grown up and refined car.
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As an old fart I'll have to agree with the tight arse northerners and consumerist Londoners in that I'd want to make sure I had a job before committing to buying a depreciating asset with an engine that is currently seen as the next worst thing next to North Korean presidents and North American presidents.
With a nod of the head from the right people car trends can suddenly change. A few years ago Diesels were seen as the answer to all the world's problems and were thus rated at zero road tax and the promise of eternal life if you bought one. Current political brainwashing is that Diesels are the equal of war crimes and mass murder and they'll give you lots of money to part exchange them against petrol cars that were the spawn of the devil a few years ago. Petrol cars now only emit fairy dust from their tailpipes and are the current saviour of the world, until they sort out electric cars batteries that will allow you to drive up more than three hills before they need pushing to the nearest wall socket. At that point electric cars will be the saviour of the world and nuclear power stations also run on fairy dust.
There will never be a shortage of lightly used GTD's on dealer forecourts until owning a Diesel grants you automatic status of having to sit in the village stocks for two weeks.
Wait until you've got a decent job and then buy a GTI.
Polo Blue GT's will always fetch a decent part ex price as they're very easy for dealers to sell on again. Well, I say always, in 20 years time they'll maybe not be worth very much depending on whether they've disintegrated or not. But if you've still not got a job in 20 years then that'll be the least of your worries and you'll be glad that you didn't waste £14k on a GTD that depreciated like a stone falling down a waterfall...
Then again, driving around in a GTD while you don't have a job would also be quite nice as it means you won't just be using it to sit in a traffic jam on the way to a job you hate and then back home again while you dream of retiring to somewhere sunny.
Toss a coin for it. :whistle:
One of the best posts on a thread ever..! :grin:
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I did 3 miles to work and back in a gtd and car was perfect from day 1.
Shame on the poor sod who got it after you! A 3 mile drive each way in a diesel :grin:
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How old / what mileage / spec. is your Blue GT?
I sold mine in August and got £12,125 for it in a private sale. It was a 5dr manual with 24K miles and was 2.5 years old. Had loads of extras (xenons, climate, heated seats, sat nav, etc.) but needed two new tyres and a repair to one of the alloys (not desperate, but result of parking by touch).
Got quite a lot of calls for it too.
It was a good car and capable of some decent mpg figures (long term average was about 45 according to read-out), but my new Golf GTi PP 7.5 is a much more grown up and refined car.
Mine is 4 years old in February and due a service, brakes and 2 new rear tyres soon. It’s covered 38000 miles and is a 2 door in Blue Silk. It has rear parking sensors.
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I know you are all talking perfect sense in terms of my current employment situation however having had the most horrendous year both in terms of work and my health I feel a new car is something positive and deserved, at least that what my wife says! Financially this is money banked and set aside although I fully appreciate it’s a depreciating asset.
Maybe I need to think about it more carefully.
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I had a similar predicament a few months back. My lease was coming to an end and I was tempted to go for a cheap lease on a GTi.
Good job I missed out as after changing jobs my annual mileage has almost doubled and after extending my current lease by a few months a GTD is now much more appropriate.
My advice would be to wait until you have a better idea of what your exact circumstances will be going forwards. In a month or two the money should still be there and there will unlikely be any shortage of Golf's to buy.
In the meantime there are far worse places to be than behind the wheel of a Polo Blue GT.
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Some very good posts on here..
I think the biggest difference is that going from a lighter weight car with a lightweight nose to a bigger car with a heavy nose you will feel the loss of "chuckablility".
I have driven many VAG cars & can always tell the diesels just by the extra nose weight which shows up when driving briskly down a back road...
Yes a GTD has plenty of poke & can give you a grin, but the dynamics are not there compared to your current car...
Plus even the current Euro6 diesels do not meet in real life the stated manufacturers emissions under the new EQUA testing regime.. so they may be subject to future bans...
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I know you are all talking perfect sense in terms of my current employment situation however having had the most horrendous year both in terms of work and my health I feel a new car is something positive and deserved, at least that what my wife says! Financially this is money banked and set aside although I fully appreciate it’s a depreciating asset.
Maybe I need to think about it more carefully.
All good enough reasons to buy a new car, but my view is that buying a diesel in the current climate will redefine your perception of "depreciation". My job keeps me up to speed with the European car industry, and diesel is not the place to be right now, or in the forseeable future. The political wind is blowing in the direction of full electric, followed by petrol/electric hybrid, then petrol, in that order. As far as desirability goes, diesel is now the pariah of fuels and Governments the world over are lining up to outlaw fossil fuel powered cars by 2040.
Ownership of diesels will become more difficult over the coming years - increases in fuel and road taxes, weighted congestion or emissions charges in cities, increased parking charges for diesels are options under active consideration by national and local authorities, and one of the only reasons they haven't yet been implemented is the fact that a lot of voters currently run diesels as a result of taxation benefits over previous years.
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As an old fart I'll have to agree with the tight arse northerners and consumerist Londoners in that I'd want to make sure I had a job before committing to buying a depreciating asset with an engine that is currently seen as the next worst thing next to North Korean presidents and North American presidents.
With a nod of the head from the right people car trends can suddenly change. A few years ago Diesels were seen as the answer to all the world's problems and were thus rated at zero road tax and the promise of eternal life if you bought one. Current political brainwashing is that Diesels are the equal of war crimes and mass murder and they'll give you lots of money to part exchange them against petrol cars that were the spawn of the devil a few years ago. Petrol cars now only emit fairy dust from their tailpipes and are the current saviour of the world, until they sort out electric cars batteries that will allow you to drive up more than three hills before they need pushing to the nearest wall socket. At that point electric cars will be the saviour of the world and nuclear power stations also run on fairy dust.
There will never be a shortage of lightly used GTD's on dealer forecourts until owning a Diesel grants you automatic status of having to sit in the village stocks for two weeks.
Wait until you've got a decent job and then buy a GTI.
Polo Blue GT's will always fetch a decent part ex price as they're very easy for dealers to sell on again. Well, I say always, in 20 years time they'll maybe not be worth very much depending on whether they've disintegrated or not. But if you've still not got a job in 20 years then that'll be the least of your worries and you'll be glad that you didn't waste £14k on a GTD that depreciated like a stone falling down a waterfall...
Then again, driving around in a GTD while you don't have a job would also be quite nice as it means you won't just be using it to sit in a traffic jam on the way to a job you hate and then back home again while you dream of retiring to somewhere sunny.
Toss a coin for it. :whistle:
One of the best posts on a thread ever..! :grin:
Same here, I actually found myself giggling but all completely true.
Would I buy a diesel no but I would rent one or finance it to take the risk away yes
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I ran a Polo Blue GT for three years and sort of wish id hung onto it, if it had been dsg it would probably still be on the drive
Loved it, its more compact dimensions, the engine and in the blue it just looks stunning and had a great interior, Golf R wagon replaced it and I do miss its size
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Now I’m really confused.
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Now I’m really confused.
Because?
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You could always get one of these. I love them :cool:
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You could always get one of these. I love them :cool:
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(https://www.flickr.com/photos/139403774@N05/)
Me too, but being a Polo GTI owner, I am biased. :smiley: